Re: Questions #3: root

2007-09-12 Thread Thomas Leavitt 
Very cool - I'm in as root! Now this is a *real* Linux box!

... although, from another perspective, I find it incredibly uncool that 
I've been walking around with a machine with a widely known default root 
password, not knowing that I'd enabled remote access to it when I 
installed the "ssh" package. I was under the impression that you had to 
go through some bizarre and risky gyration to obtain root access to the 
machine... not simply ssh to localhost! Eek?!?

Now, another geeky question. "user" is a lame login name. I'm going to 
assume that it is incredibly unwise to rename "user" to something 
reasonable, like "thomas" :) ... is it possible to create a new user and 
login using that account instead? I see (via redpill mode) that 
"adduser" is one of the packages installed.

I also noticed that "/etc/shells" has a long list of shells. It seems 
just slightly strange to me that, on a device this resource constrained, 
they'd "waste" even that many "bytes" by not truncating this file... 
makes me wonder what other potential "optimizations" haven't been done.

I also wonder how the synaptic install package managed to add a line 
referencing itself to /etc/sudoers... if the app installer permits 
modifications of this sort to be made to /etc/sudoers, doesn't that 
suggest someone could simply write an app that added the line below, or 
write a malicious app that gave itself root privileges?

What's the default password for "user"? Will changing it affect 
anything, since obviously the system auto-starts?

Thomas

James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 September 2007 12:39:52 Thomas Leavitt wrote:
>   
>> What's the cleanest way to get this?
>>
>> Thomas
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> For me and my way of thinking.  Install Xterm... Install openssh (as apposed 
> to dropbear) from garage.  open Xterm and  do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]  use 
> rootme 
> as the password.  Add this line to /etc/sudoers  
>
> user  ALL=(ALL)  NOPASSWD: ALL
>
> Now give bother the user named user and root real passwords. Once you do this 
> user, user can sudo su  to root whenever you need it to.   I also recommend 
> removing the ability of root to ssh directly after you have confirmed that 
> you can sudo.
>
> James
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Re: Updates in red-pill mode

2007-09-12 Thread Thomas Leavitt 
I put my device in "red-pill" mode a while back... a short time later, I 
noticed a number of "upgrades" and went ahead and installed them, 
without making the connection (until afterwards)... this did produce a 
"broken" package warning, revealed not by the Application Manager, but 
by the Synaptic application, this was for one of the main system library 
updates. I fixed the dependency error by installing "ssh", which the 
Application Manager insists has a lot of requirements and conflicts with 
"busybox", but which Synaptic says is perfectly fine to install on it's 
own. The device functioned just fine while it was in this "broken" 
state, and just fine afterwards, so I doubt that doing updates in 
"red-pill" mode, alone, is enough to brick the device... I suspect there 
must be something else involved.

Note: I'm a Unix/Linux geek from way back, and am using Ubuntu and apt 
in my day job, so I'm comfortable messing around with this stuff and 
fixing things if they break slightly. I haven't noticed any substantive 
difference in the performance or stability of my 770 one way or 
another... Opera still crashes fairly consistently (which is about the 
only problem I've seen).

I will note, however, and I'm not entirely sure why, that with no 
applications running (other than the notice bar stuff at the top), my 
system consumes 60 megs of memory... I just got a new 2 gb MMC card, so 
I've enabled 64 mb of virtual memory (I had 24 before, on the 64 meg 
card, and I regularly ran it to 90% of total memory used). It doesn't 
seem reasonable to me that the OS would consume all available memory and 
leave nothing for applications, but I don't know if I've "customized" 
the thing enough that the memory usage profile is anomalous.

Thomas


Paul Dundas wrote:
> I didn't think there was a warning about "red pill" mode on the Wiki, so
> I added one to the red pill page:
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/
>
> That might flush out an official comment (or not).
>
> regards,
> Paul
>
>
> Ryan Pavlik wrote:
>   
>> Updating in red pill mode is just asking to brick your device.  I've 
>> heard of it happening almost every time.  Use red pill mode as a 
>> temporary workaround for a single package, not as a way of life, no 
>> matter how much of a power user you are.  The device just doesn't 
>> support it.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't answer that as I have nothing to do with software releases... 
>>> thats a Nokia / Maemo team question.  I think you just need to tread 
>>> lightly with Red Pill mode knowing it's an official unofficial (or 
>>> perhaps unsupported) method of doing things.
>>>
>>> On 9/11/07, *Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>>
>>> Why then should there be patches to some of the OS 2006 files? Do
>>> you mean that these patches could simply be experimental even
>>> though they have a version later than the ones installed in the 770?
>>>
>>> Does anybody at Nokia releases patches to essential OS 2006 system
>>> files which can be updated under red-pill mode?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pedro
>>> - Original message -
>>> From: Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> To: Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> Cc: Maemo users mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org>>
>>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007, 22:27:15 CEST
>>> Subject: Re: Updates in red-pill mode
>>> "Welcome to the Matrix"
>>>
>>> I don't think Red Pill mode is advised for general use or system
>>> updates.
>>> It's really more of a backdoor.  I've used it to get Python to
>>> install in
>>> the past as it seems to get past the missing library error though
>>> I'm not
>>> sure that's so much of a good thing either.
>>>
>>> On 9/11/07, Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I have realized that in red-pill mode a series of system patches are
>>> > available for installing, e.g., patches fr browser controls,
>>> opera etc.
>>> >
>>> > I have installed some of these patches - not all - and my 770
>>> became more
>>> > unstable ad even crashed to the point of aving to remove the
>>> battery to be
>>> > able to reboot it.
>>> >
>>> > Opera also got a new look as new, orange scroll bars replaced the old
>>> > ones.
>>> >
>>> > Is it recommended to install the updates in red-pill mode or is this
>>> > unwise?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Pedro
>>> >
>>>   
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Re: Questions #3: root

2007-09-12 Thread James Sparenberg 
On Wednesday 12 September 2007 12:39:52 Thomas Leavitt wrote:
> What's the cleanest way to get this?
>
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For me and my way of thinking.  Install Xterm... Install openssh (as apposed 
to dropbear) from garage.  open Xterm and  do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]  use rootme 
as the password.  Add this line to /etc/sudoers  

user  ALL=(ALL)  NOPASSWD: ALL

Now give bother the user named user and root real passwords. Once you do this 
user, user can sudo su  to root whenever you need it to.   I also recommend 
removing the ability of root to ssh directly after you have confirmed that 
you can sudo.

James


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Ok, I'm bricked -- need help...

2007-09-12 Thread Tim 


Hi, again... 

So, I sent the below email before I actually rebooted my N800. I
have since and... Well, it won't restart! It shows the Nokia logo and
progress bar. When it gets to the end of the progress bar, the startup
chime sounds (the one that usually happens with the "hands" graphic.
But, it sticks on the Nokia logo and full progress bar. I can turn
the device off and back on again, but this happens every time 

Any advice? 

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 - Original Message -
 Subject: Latest "red pill" update issues...
 From:  Tim 
 To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
 Date: 09/12/2007 3:56 pm
Hi, 

I ran a few updates in "red pill mode" (a couple of lib files). Now
GPE and Claws-Mail won't run. Has anyone else experienced something
like this? 

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Re: Updates in red-pill mode

2007-09-12 Thread Paul Dundas 
I didn't think there was a warning about "red pill" mode on the Wiki, so
I added one to the red pill page:
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/

That might flush out an official comment (or not).

regards,
Paul


Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> Updating in red pill mode is just asking to brick your device.  I've 
> heard of it happening almost every time.  Use red pill mode as a 
> temporary workaround for a single package, not as a way of life, no 
> matter how much of a power user you are.  The device just doesn't 
> support it.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>> I can't answer that as I have nothing to do with software releases... 
>> thats a Nokia / Maemo team question.  I think you just need to tread 
>> lightly with Red Pill mode knowing it's an official unofficial (or 
>> perhaps unsupported) method of doing things.
>>
>> On 9/11/07, *Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jonathan,
>>
>> Why then should there be patches to some of the OS 2006 files? Do
>> you mean that these patches could simply be experimental even
>> though they have a version later than the ones installed in the 770?
>>
>> Does anybody at Nokia releases patches to essential OS 2006 system
>> files which can be updated under red-pill mode?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pedro
>> - Original message -
>> From: Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> To: Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> Cc: Maemo users mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org>>
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007, 22:27:15 CEST
>> Subject: Re: Updates in red-pill mode
>> "Welcome to the Matrix"
>>
>> I don't think Red Pill mode is advised for general use or system
>> updates.
>> It's really more of a backdoor.  I've used it to get Python to
>> install in
>> the past as it seems to get past the missing library error though
>> I'm not
>> sure that's so much of a good thing either.
>>
>> On 9/11/07, Pedro Rodrigues de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I have realized that in red-pill mode a series of system patches are
>> > available for installing, e.g., patches fr browser controls,
>> opera etc.
>> >
>> > I have installed some of these patches - not all - and my 770
>> became more
>> > unstable ad even crashed to the point of aving to remove the
>> battery to be
>> > able to reboot it.
>> >
>> > Opera also got a new look as new, orange scroll bars replaced the old
>> > ones.
>> >
>> > Is it recommended to install the updates in red-pill mode or is this
>> > unwise?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Pedro
>> >
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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Tilman Vogel 
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Ok, I filed the bug:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2006

Do you think, I should add comments to the mentioned bug reports
pointing to this one?

Regards,

Tilman
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Latest "red pill" update issues...

2007-09-12 Thread Tim 


Hi, 

I ran a few updates in "red pill mode" (a couple of lib files). Now
GPE and Claws-Mail won't run. Has anyone else experienced something
like this? 

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Re: Questions #2: Nuking built-ins

2007-09-12 Thread Clarence Risher 
Check out a few entries on my maemo info site for some advice on
freeing up space on the root filesystem.

http://sparrsstuff.com/maemo

On 9/12/07, Thomas Leavitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> my / filesystem is pretty full already...
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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Tilman Vogel 
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Hi!

Kalle Valo schrieb:
> What about N800 or is this reproducible only on 770?

Unfortunately, I couldn't test this because I only have a 770...

> What are your WLAN settings? Is this related to some particular
> settings, like WPA for instance?

I don't use WPA but I experienced it both without any encryption and
with my WEP network. The fact that already scanning for networks causes
the problem makes me think that it doesn't depend much on special
settings... Also, the address stays the same in all cases.

> How long does it take you to see the corruption with memtester?

With test sizes of about 24 MB, chances seem to be very good to catch
the bad bytes. In other words, usually if I run memtester 24 after
booting and still without WLAN, everything is ok. As soon as I click on
"Choose connection..." and scanning starts, I see FAILURE messages from
memtester. I don't have to wait for it.
If they don't show up, it means memtester didn't get the corrupted
bytes. Then it usually helps to start it again with a little
bigger size.

Also, when I shut down the WLAN connection, the errors immediately stop.

If you have more questions, let me know. I'll also file my bug report soon.

Best regards,

Tilman



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Re: Questions #3: root

2007-09-12 Thread Dan deHam 
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/

Dan

At 12:39 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>What's the cleanest way to get this?
>
>Thomas
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Questions #3: root

2007-09-12 Thread Thomas Leavitt 
What's the cleanest way to get this?

Thomas
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Questions #2: Nuking built-ins

2007-09-12 Thread Thomas Leavitt 
1. Can I nuke Opera and replace it? What are the implications? What's up 
with the latest builds of the alt. browser not being N770 compatible?

2. Can I nuke the built-in email and replace it with Claws? I prefer the 
latter (it deals with large IMAP stores better, for one thing), and my / 
filesystem is pretty full already...


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Questions from a Tech Saavy Newbie: Alt App Install / Homedir Location

2007-09-12 Thread Thomas Leavitt 
1. Can I/how do I install apps to the MMC instead of the / filesystem? 
My file system is almost completely full already.

2. Can I move my homedir to the MMC?


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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Jon Smirl 
On 9/11/07, Tilman Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A few weeks ago I had a very bad spontaneous crash of my 770 making it
> unbootable. The progress bar never showed up. I could reflash, but got
> suspicious about what might have caused it. I started searching for a
> memory checker and found:

Can you write protect the page getting corrupted and cause a kernel
OOPS on the write? That would generate a stack trace that would target
the offending code. Of course if DMA hardware is doing the write this
won't work.

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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Kalle Valo 
"ext Tilman Vogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This is going to be a bit longer, but may be interesting to many Nokia
> 770 users as I suspect that this problem is present on all 770s:

Thank you for the excellent report, but I have some extra questions:

What about N800 or is this reproducible only on 770?

What are your WLAN settings? Is this related to some particular
settings, like WPA for instance?

How long does it take you to see the corruption with memtester?

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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Kalle Valo 
"ext Siarhei Siamashka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 12 September 2007, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
>> Well done, thank you. This was already observed but solution was not
>> found. See details here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677
>> (comment #7). Please can you add your findings to the bug report?
>
> Maybe it is better to submit a new bugreport with the descriptive
> summary and all the details explained to keep bugzilla in a good
> shape?

Yes, please file a bug about this. It's a lot easier to track these
kind of issues.

One problem per bug report is a really good rule. It's not like we are
running out of bug ids :)

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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Siarhei Siamashka 
On 12 September 2007, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Well done, thank you. This was already observed but solution was not
> found. See details here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677
> (comment #7). Please can you add your findings to the bug report?

Maybe it is better to submit a new bugreport with the descriptive summary and
all the details explained to keep bugzilla in a good shape? The following
bugreports (hijacked by me later) are too vague and it is not clear if their
initial reporters had the same problem or a different one, probably it is even
better to close them as they are reported against older firmware release:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820

On the other hand, the wifi related memory corruption problem is reproducible
and confirmed by a lot of people, so it deserves its own bugzilla entry and
can be handled individually.

No matter if Nokia is going to do anything about it or not, it is better to
have this bug recorded somewhere with all the relevant links (to cx3110x
driver sources for example), ideas and other information, so that one of the
community kernel hackers could try to fix it without the need to search and
collect vital information from various places. Too bad I did not know about
cx3110x garage project at that time and nobody cared to notify me, otherwise 
I would try doing something about this issue when I was investigating it.

Unfortunately Nokia used to open parts of previously closed code without
notifying anyone properly and then probably thinking: "look, this idiot is
complaining again about something that is already open" :)

Here is one spectacular example:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51002&postcount=15
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51169&postcount=18

Well, what do you think a community developer would do after receiving an
answer like: 'this stuff is currently closed but we probably will consider
what can be done about it'? Would he subscribe to kernel mailing lists
and waste time tracking them every day in the hope that something gets
suddenly committed there knowing that it may just as well never happen
actually? Nokia has no responsibility to notify anyone about anything, but
it's a communication problem that hurts everyone in the end.

By the way, if the same wifi memory corruption gets confirmed on N800 too,
probably the following issues can be also related to it:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=999
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990
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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka 
Tilman Vogel wrote:

> Very interested in any feedback,
> 

Oh, BTW, you can possibly track it down with latest bootmenu update with 
USB network recovery in initfs, see my blot at 
http://www.maemopeople.org/ or ITT thread here
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9649
You can log in and insert wlan modules yourself (possibly mixed with 
other modules) and continue with booting to determine which is the 
faulty one. When still in initfs you have also almost all memory free so 
the testing could be easier. If you need to compile something with 
uclibc toolchain, let me know. For N770 initfs this one is correct:
http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/0.9.8/tarball/
scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4.cs-uclibc-0.9.8.5.tar.gz It works even 
in apophis scratchbox used for 2.2 and latest Bora.

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Re: Is the IPhone ready for Business?

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew Flegg 
On 9/11/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> here is an interesting short video from the CNET www site that poses the
> question of whether or not the Iphone is ready for business use.
>
[snip]

Interesting. Thanks for that.

> The same question applies to the N800 and its future derivatives as well.

But the *N*800 is a multimedia "Internet
Tablet". Its primary purposes are to provide a desktop-level Internet
experience in your pocket, and excellent media functionality. Business
users should look elsewhere...

Of course, if you then start comparing the iPhone or iPod Touch with
the N800 (multimedia devices which provide an Internet experience in
your pocket), prepare to be flamed (at least by some on ITT).

I agree with you, though, the Nokia Internet Tablets have a lot to
learn to be acceptable to business (in many ways they're like the
Psions of old - but even more insular).

Cheers,

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Re: Memory corruption during WLAN use: detailled analysis and workaround

2007-09-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka 
Hello Tilman,

Well done, thank you. This was already observed but solution was not 
found. See details here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 
(comment #7). Please can you add your findings to the bug report?

Frantisek


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