RE: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Aldon Hynes
I don't know for sure, but my guess is that it is based on what you have 
selected in 
Settings... Location...

If you enable GPS and Network Positioning, I would guess you get Assisted 
Global Navigation Satellite System (AGNSS) 

If you enable GPS and don't enable Network Positioning, I would guess you get 
Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) 

If disable GPS and enable Network Positioning, I would guess you get Assisted 
Complementary Wireless Positioning (ACWP)  

and if you diable both, I would guess you get Complementary Wireless 
Positioning (CWP) 

Aldon

- Original message -
> Based on the documentation of the GPS software, the GPS can run in four
> different modes,


Interesting, do you know if the gps runs through these 4 modes when starting up 
ovi maps? Or if you can say what order it goes through?

Thanks.

Bernard

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Re: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> Based on the documentation of the GPS software, the GPS can run in four
> different modes,


Interesting, do you know if the gps runs through these 4 modes when starting up 
ovi maps? Or if you can say what order it goes through?

Thanks.

Bernard
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Re: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> On 14 February 2010 09:12, Bernard Tyers  wrote:
>
> > No, I don't have a connection to the Internet when using Ovi Maps-thats the
> > exact reason why I use Ovi Maps.
> >
> > You shouldn't be expected to use a network connection with an onboard GPS.
> >
>
> True, but afaik N900 has A-GPS onboard, which is assisted by supplementary
> GPS data downloaded via internet. Without that connection it probably sucks
> badly, as you could experience. I am no expert on GPS, but that's how I
> understand A-GPS chipsets are working.

Using a-gps when roaming is not a good idea, as it costs data roaming charges. 

Leaving aside the fact it is not proper location positioning..

Causing users more data costs than necessary is a lazy way of providing a 
feature-the issue here with Ovi Maps and GPS has been identified as a bug. So I 
am happy.


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RE: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Aldon Hynes
Based on the documentation of the GPS software, the GPS can run in four
different modes,

Complementary Wireless Positioning (CWP) - This is based on the location of
the country and/or the GSM base station location.  It does not use the
onboard GPS at all, but depends on the SIM card.

Assisted Complementary Wireless Positioning (ACWP)  - This is similar to CWP
but requires a network connection to get better information about the GSM
base station location

Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) - This uses the GPS receiver.  It
does not require a network connection or a SIM card.

Assisted Global Navigation Satellite System (AGNSS) - This uses the GPS
receiver, but gets additional information from a SIM card or Network
connection.  It works basically the same as GNSS, but since it starts with a
good guess at the location is often faster on startup than GNSS.

I had a little fun writing some software for the N900 to track a drive I
took a while ago.  All of the data was extracted using AGNSS and saved to a
file which I loaded into Google Maps.  You can see the map of my trip, as
well as read about the programming I did at

#N900 - My New Gps
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3884

(The link to liblocation in the blog post is where you can also read more
information about the various GPS modes)

Aldon
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  On 14 February 2010 09:12, Bernard Tyers  wrote:

No, I don't have a connection to the Internet when using Ovi Maps-thats
the exact reason why I use Ovi Maps.

You shouldn't be expected to use a network connection with an onboard
GPS.

  True, but afaik N900 has A-GPS onboard, which is assisted by supplementary
GPS data downloaded via internet. Without that connection it probably sucks
badly, as you could experience. I am no expert on GPS, but that's how I
understand A-GPS chipsets are working.

  --
  Dawid 'evad' Lorenz * http://adl.pl

  null://I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source
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Re: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Dawid Lorenz
On 14 February 2010 09:12, Bernard Tyers  wrote:

> No, I don't have a connection to the Internet when using Ovi Maps-thats the
> exact reason why I use Ovi Maps.
>
> You shouldn't be expected to use a network connection with an onboard GPS.
>

True, but afaik N900 has A-GPS onboard, which is assisted by supplementary
GPS data downloaded via internet. Without that connection it probably sucks
badly, as you could experience. I am no expert on GPS, but that's how I
understand A-GPS chipsets are working.

-- 
Dawid 'evad' Lorenz * http://adl.pl

null://I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source
code
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Re: N900 and Java

2010-02-14 Thread Kahlil Johnson
maemo wiki has a page for java, look for it, and u will know whats up
with it. But the short answer is not straightforward but there are
projects to implement it fully.

2010/2/14 R. A. Bilonick :
> Does Java run on the N900?
>
> Rick B.
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Re: Bad experience with N900 onboard GPS.

2010-02-14 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> On 12 February 2010 20:17, Bernard Tyers  wrote:
>
> > Is anything written to the OS when the GPS is running? Can we tail any
> > logs? All recommendations welcome.
>
>
> Main question is whether you have any sort of connection to the internet
> when you're trying to get a GPS lock? For me GPS on N900 works uber-fast, I
> mean it's pretty much instant whenever I use it (Google Maps, Map Buddy, OVI
> etc.). However, I tend to have device always online, so it most likely uses
> that to download additional GPS data.

No, I don't have a connection to the Internet when using Ovi Maps-thats the 
exact reason why I use Ovi Maps.

You shouldn't be expected to use a network connection with an onboard GPS.

Bernard
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N900 and Java

2010-02-14 Thread R. A. Bilonick
Does Java run on the N900?

Rick B.

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