Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
Am Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2007 schrieb Steve Greenland: > According to Krischan Keitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > to a) "Were are all the apps?" > > One thing that we are missing is a 'distribution' (the debian or ubuntu > > way) with primary repositories and additional repos. etc. > > Actually, I think we *have* that repo: repository.maemo.org. The problem > is that there is no obvious, straightforward way for Jill Random to get > her packages into the repo. Is this documented anywhere? A quick browse > of maemo.org didn't find anything. > > But as I noted, there seems to be some plans to improve this situation. > > And, admittedly, it's not as easy as just letting anonymous people > upload. Any package can trash the entire system, via the install hooks. > Debian deals with this by making it so painful to become an official > developer that the asshats won't make the effort. > > OTOH, the current situation encourages the addition of random repos to > the source list, so basically is no different than letting random people > upload. Given that the official nokia repos are still screwed up w.r.t. > package signing (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2067), we're > training the users to ignore/avoid any security stuff anyway. > > Steve At the moment we a experiencing two diffrent philosophies how to handle 3rd party apps on mobil devices: a) no rd party apps what so ever: apple / ipod touch b) complete freedom to install every 3rd party app we want: encouraged by Nokia / Internet tablets Usually when you have two extrems the optimum is in between. Being allowed to install no apps on my own is (for me at least) absolutely not acceptable. On the other hand the situation on the repository landscape of the internet tablets is not satisfying either. The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock solid high quality apps. What do you think? Regards Krischan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
According to Krischan Keitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of > a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that > just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe > repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock > solid high quality apps. What do you think? Who is going to do the testing and certification? It's a lot of work, and not particularly rewarding. And I can guarantee that sooner or later some developers will feel personally maltreated by any such group. Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs, installs with only other testing packages, etc.) But I'd settle for just getting people to use one repo, rather than setting up there own. Regards, Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
On Friday 19 October 2007 09:30:50 Steve Greenland wrote: > According to Krischan Keitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of > > a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that > > just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe > > repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock > > solid high quality apps. What do you think? > > Who is going to do the testing and certification? It's a lot of work, > and not particularly rewarding. And I can guarantee that sooner or later > some developers will feel personally maltreated by any such group. > > Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian > unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and > migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs, > installs with only other testing packages, etc.) > > But I'd settle for just getting people to use one repo, rather than > setting up there own. > > Regards, > Steve Heck I'm hoping for an agreement on how to spell "Utilities" (Ok cheap shot meant to be humorous not mean.) But case sensitive does yield fun in this area. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Steve Greenland: > According to Krischan Keitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of > > a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that > > just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe > > repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock > > solid high quality apps. What do you think? > > Who is going to do the testing and certification? It's a lot of work, > and not particularly rewarding. And I can guarantee that sooner or later > some developers will feel personally maltreated by any such group. Good point. > > Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian > unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and > migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs, > installs with only other testing packages, etc.) > Maybe a rating mechanism could help to qualify which app could go to the main repository (stable)? (Within the constrains of licence, ...) Apps with a low rating will then be "parked" in unstable? Apps from maemo download can be rated already. That would not require a testing and certification team. However, clear rules are required to make this process transparent. > But I'd settle for just getting people to use one repo, rather than > setting up there own. > That would be a step in the right direction. Regards Krischan > Regards, > Steve ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +, Steve Greenland wrote:
> Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
> unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
> migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
> installs with only other testing packages, etc.)
I'd like to point one [obvious] thing: Debian uses single bug tracking
system for all its packages, hence checking whether a package is having
serious problems is very easy. For packages in extras{,-testing}
repository this might not be the case.
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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question
According to Mikhail Sobolev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
> > unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
> > migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
> > installs with only other testing packages, etc.)
> I'd like to point one [obvious] thing: Debian uses single bug tracking
> system for all its packages, hence checking whether a package is having
> serious problems is very easy. For packages in extras{,-testing}
> repository this might not be the case.
Well, that just means that there would need to be a single BTS for the
extra repository, which would be a good thing. Expecting users to track
down package specific bug trackers is absurd.
I understand Nokia need to keep a separate repo and BTS for official,
corporately supported, anything-else-will-make-your-tablet-explode
packages. So the community needs a seperate repo and BTS. But there
needs to be only one of these.
By "only one", I don't mean to limit categorization such as bora vs.
mistral or (possibly) tested vs. unstable. But we don't need a doesn't
different websites with a dozen different BTS and three dozen different
variants of libgtk.
Of course, nobody is forced to use this hypothetical central repo. But
the current situation is not what I'd call user friendly.
Steve
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world. -- seen on the net
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