[Mailman-Users] A bug in Russian template
Hi, Althought, the problem is regarding a page that generating on Russian - you can see it youself, that bottom part is not translated. My users found a problem - they could not get to options page if they view listinfo page on Russian. I investigated that russian template starts wrong form. I have Mailman 2.1.1. I've fixed it as follows: murzik:pts/5{vaget}mailman/templates/ru>diff listinfo.orig listinfo.html 120c120 < --- > Please, include it in your later edition. Thanks, Vadim ps. I was trying to contact russian editor, but looks like his web site http://only.mawhrin.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman-ru is down. I cc him just in case. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses
At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: Hi Richard, Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about 300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] cannot strip html, here are my settings.
ok, the html did not get stripped off as seen below. Message snip>=== 3. Go the extra mile ... drive home in the dark. Oh, and put off buying a television set as long as you can. Now, if you have any idea at all what's good for you, you will get the hell out of here and never come back. Class dismissed. excerpt snip>=== ***headers of message are Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.aus1.texas.net id h710Ljj00314 ***even with my ISP converting it still left the html code ***here are the settings from my list's content filter box Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? (Edit filter_content) No X Yes Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. (Details for filter_mime_types multipart/mixed multipart/alternative image jpeg gif html .*octet .*oda .*audio .*image .*alternative .*digest .*mixed .*related .*rich .*html .*video .*vcf .*dat ***and for the Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. (Details for pass_mime_types text/plain multipart/mixed multipart/alternative = Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) YES ***and under Pass filters, only text/plain is left in the box what is set wrong?? chas -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :(
Richard Barrett said: > The error response is saying that a field in the search form that > mmsearch.py insists be present is missing. I have compared /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html with the output the lists are putting on the Archives page. They match: To search this archive fill in the following form: Match: All Any Boolean Format: Short Long Sort by: Score Time Title Reverse Score Reverse Time Reverse Title Search: Note:The archive search index was last rebuilt at %(lastrun)s. Any postings after that will not be found by a search. Index rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for this list. You can use a "View by date" link below to access more recent postings. > The required fields are called: 'method', 'format', 'sort', 'config' > and 'words'. They all appear... but the searching still fails. I did notice this: htdig Archives Access Failure The requested list cannot be accessed. mngwedding:mngwedding.htsearch ^^ If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/mngwedding/ /mailman/mmsearch/mngwedding That file does not exist anywhere on my hard drive (mngwedding.htsearch). I think the problem is that the file itself is mngwedding.htsearch.conf > The blow_away_htdig etc routine I described and as described in > INSTALL.htdig-mm should renew per-list search forms from the > TOC_htsearch.html template. *nod* That, at least, appears to have worked. Now to get it to look at the right .conf files :) Thanks again, Richard :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: A bug in Russian template
Hi Vadim Thanks for the information. (Yes, the site was down today for several hours). I did see your message to the mailing list, and tried to update the cvs tree right away, however the operation failed. Hopefully it will succeed later. Thanks again -- Misha On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:33:59PM -0700, vadim getmanshchuk wrote: > Hi, > > Althought, the problem is regarding a page that generating on Russian - you can see > it youself, that bottom part is not translated. > > My users found a problem - they could not get to options page if they view listinfo > page on Russian. I investigated that russian template starts wrong form. I have > Mailman 2.1.1. I've fixed it as follows: > > murzik:pts/5{vaget}mailman/templates/ru>diff listinfo.orig listinfo.html > 120c120 > < > --- > > > > Please, include it in your later edition. > > Thanks, > Vadim > > ps. I was trying to contact russian editor, but looks like his web site > http://only.mawhrin.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman-ru is down. I cc him just in case. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] OoooOOookay.......
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errr?? Who's "whitworks.com" and why are they doing a terrible job of masquerading as the owner of this list? G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounceresponses
At 7:32 AM -0700 2003/08/02, JC Dill wrote: This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. A properly written MTA should automatically handle issues like this and re-split the envelopes as necessary. Sendmail will do this, as will postfix. Dunno about Exim. I think the problem lies somewhere with a locally screwed up MTA which periodically won't respond at all, or can't get to its local DNS, so stuff bounces when it shouldn't. But I can't be sure. -- Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++> h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!"
I had MM 2.0.x, upgrading to MM 2.1.2 by installing over - not moving lists about. I used --prefix=/home/mailman. I can see a couple of errors reported and when I do a bin/check_perms i get.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.2]$ cd /home/mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ bin/check_perms Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? import korean ImportError: No module named korean As I understand I need to be in $prefix to run check_perms and that's / home/mailman so the warning is either wrong or something else... ;-) Cron daemon is also sending the following every five minutes >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 38, in ? >import paths > File "/home/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 59, in ? >import korean >ImportError: No module named korean Same/different trouble? Thanks for help! -- david.gordon -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:32:09AM -0700, JC Dill wrote: > At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: > >Hi Richard, > > > >Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going > >through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about > >300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of > >the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not > >have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. > > This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to > deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than > those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA > at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they > changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are > barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. A quick test would be to drop the maximum number of recipients in Mailman. In mm_cfg.py, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 20. Details are in Defaults.py. This will chunk your messages to a maximum of 20 recipients at a time. Some people have done performance tests to suggest that dropping this to about 5 will give you better throughput. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman Looping
Mailman started looping - using up a lot of processor and resources. I ran an strace and this is what it's doing. What do I have messed up? It's very busy doing nothing. munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.db") = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 6 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=1608, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 read(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 4096) = 1608 unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck") = 0 close(6)= 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) gettimeofday({1059841437, 482524}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1059841437, 482615}, NULL) = 0 umask(07) = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.pck", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 umask(0)= 07 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 write(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 1608) = 1608 close(6)= 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 umask(07) = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.db.tmp", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 umask(0)= 07 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 write(6, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\n"..., 426) = 426 close(6)= 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Looping
What is your version of mailman?, OS?, what is the mta?, how did you install (source, rpm, apt-get)? Are you running postfix? Have you modified the default settings for: unknown_local_recipient_reject_code Good Luck - Jon On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 14:11, Marc Perkel wrote: > Mailman started looping - using up a lot of processor and resources. I > ran an strace and this is what it's doing. What do I have messed up? > It's very busy doing nothing. > > > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 > unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.db") > > = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck", > > > O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 6 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=1608, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > read(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 4096) = 1608 > unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck") > > = 0 > close(6)= 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) > = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = > -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > gettimeofday({1059841437, 482524}, NULL) = 0 > gettimeofday({1059841437, 482615}, NULL) = 0 > umask(07) = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.pck", > > > O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 > umask(0)= 07 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > write(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 1608) = 1608 > close(6)= 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 > umask(07) = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.db.tmp", > > > O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 > umask(0)= 07 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > write(6, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\n"..., 426) = 426 > close(6)= 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096)= 0 > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] reply-to?
hi, i just installed mailman 2.1.2. because of problems with my old 2.0.? version. in this new version there is one thing i don't understand: if i switch on the anonymous_list feature and additionalö define an EXPLICIT reply_to_address, in the messages from that list appears a repüly-to with BOTH the list-address and the 'explicit' reply-to address in it. this ist no good. i there a way to get mailman to use only the reply_to_address? please send a copy of your answer to my email address. thanks, u. --- The Thing, http://www.thing.de Ulf Schleth, Rosenthaler Str. 39, D-10178 Berlin fon +49-30-44650705 fax +49-30-44650704 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives
I need information about the 403 Forbidden error. I tried to submit secure information and got this message. Does that me the information was received. I really need to know as I found out the sender was fraudulent and if my information was sent I am the victim of identity theft. Thanks, Pat -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 14:59, Pat Holland wrote: > I need information about the 403 Forbidden error. I tried to submit secure > information and got this message. Does that me the information was received. I > really need to know as I found out the sender was fraudulent and if my information > was sent I am the victim of identity theft. > > Thanks, Pat You should probably expect the worse-case. Since you got back a response after submitting your name/password (even though it was a 403), your data arrived at that sight. Whether or not they actually recorded your username/password is up for debate, but the possibility exists that they did. Time to change your password. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] OoooOOookay.......
At 08:43 AM 8/2/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errr?? Who's "whitworks.com" and why are they doing a terrible job of masquerading as the owner of this list? I'm just guessing here, but I suspect someone was using the address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] for subscription to this list (just as I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my subscription) and then they installed Mailman at whitworks.com. In doing the installation they created the umbrella list "mailman", without thinking about their subscription to this list using that same username/domain. Oops! So now their mailman-users list subscription email goes to their umbrella list instead of to the individual who subscribed. I've set them to nomail for now. jc - volunteer mailman-users list admin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org