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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Rich West wrote:

>I did some further analysis and discovered that the messages (with the 
>same message ID) were showing up in the "ps" output as processing "from 
>queue".  Digging a little further, I tried killing off the sendmail 
>processes that were processing those requests, and I saw the following 
>appear in the mailman log:
>Sep 12 20:53:28 2005 (24387) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted 
>system call'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This could be normal if SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0 since in
this case, Mailman (SMTPDirect) will never close the connection from
its side. However, the specific error message comes out of the
bulkdeliver() method which indicates Mailman is still involved in an
SMTP transaction. I.e., it is probably waiting for a response from
sendmail.

>So.. that got me thinking that Mailman was somehow not ending the 
>connection properly OR that my sendmail install really didn't like 
>handling multiple messages in one stream (I'm blanking as to why).

Or sendmail wasn't responding to the completion of the DATA command, or
...

>With 
>all of that in mind, I set :
>SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1
>MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
>
>And things started working.  Odd..

Not so odd yet, I think.

>Now, I know that this is definitely NOT ideal or optimal.. But, what 
>could be going wrong?  I tried reducing the 
>SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to "0" for my tests, and the problem 
>crept back.

Now I think it's odd, but what happens in this case right after
'mailmanctl restart'? Does it work for the first few mails and then
the problem comes back. If so, it could be that the problem only
occurs after a few transactions on an open connection.

>I moved that back to 1, then set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to "0", and 
>the problem crept back.  Only the config above seemed to work..

Now this I too find puzzling.

>My mind is a jumbled mess thinking about this, but if anyone has any 
>ideas.. I'm all ears. :)

Setting SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1 is not particularly
costly. It just means Mailman closes the SMTP connection after each
transaction and reopens it for the next transaction. This is not too
costly.

Setting MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS which appeared in 2.0 beta 3 appears to be
ignored in current versions. There are no references to it outside of
Defaults.py

Setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 may impact performance, but maybe not as
much as one would think. This list (mailman-users) uses personalized
delivery which amounts to the same thing (at least for regular as
opposed to digest deliveries). If you need SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1, then
you've paid the price and you can VERP all deliveries (for better
bounce processing) and personalize your lists for essentially no extra
charge.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Daevid Vincent wrote:

>Mark said, "Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
>parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and should be
>'mail'." 
>
>And looking at the log, he seems to be correct:
>Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
>expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but_the
>system's mail server executed the mail script as_group "mail".  Try tweaking
>the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
>
>But the .ebuild script sets it to gid 280, shouldn't it be 8? why is that?
>Is that the problem? How can I fix that. Re-emerging doesn't let me change
>those .ebuild values. MD5 errors and such.
>
>APACHEGID="81"
>MAILGID="280"
>
>src_compile() {
>econf \
>--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
>--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
>--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
>|| die "configure failed"
>
>make || die "make failed"
>}  
>
># ll /etc/exim/exim.conf
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 /etc/exim/exim.conf
>
>  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
>  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
>  # Value is normally "mailman"
>  MM_UID=mailman
>  MM_GID=mailman
>
>So, these match what the comment says there, and what the .ebuild is doing.
>
>I'm so confused. *sigh* 


As well you should be at this point. The wrapper is telling you that it
expects to be executed as group 'mailman', and it looks from what
you've presented that it was in fact built that way. It also seems you
can't change it in your update package.

The wrapper also complains that it is not being executed as group
'mailman', but rather as group 'mail'. This is the confusing part
because it seems from the above that you are telling Exim to invoke
the wrapper as group 'mailman' yet the wrapper is telling you it is
being invoked as group 'mail'. I would look carefully at the Exim
configuration to be sure that

  MM_UID=mailman
  MM_GID=mailman

are in the right place and are not being overridden somewhere else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent

Mark said, "Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and should be
'mail'." 

And looking at the log, he seems to be correct:
Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but_the
system's mail server executed the mail script as_group "mail".  Try tweaking
the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._

But the .ebuild script sets it to gid 280, shouldn't it be 8? why is that?
Is that the problem? How can I fix that. Re-emerging doesn't let me change
those .ebuild values. MD5 errors and such.

APACHEGID="81"
MAILGID="280"

src_compile() {
econf \
--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
|| die "configure failed"

make || die "make failed"
}  

# ll /etc/exim/exim.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 /etc/exim/exim.conf

  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
  # Value is normally "mailman"
  MM_UID=mailman
  MM_GID=mailman

So, these match what the comment says there, and what the .ebuild is doing.

I'm so confused. *sigh* 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent

> Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
> parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and
> should be 'mail'.
> 
> Your original post says:
> 
> >daevid portage-logs # ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
> >-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34 
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
> 
> Thus, the wrapper was recompiled with the upgrade on Sep 7 and that's
> when things quit working so this is the likely cause.

# id mail
uid=8(mail) gid=12(mail) groups=12(mail),408(shadow)

# id mailman
uid=280(mailman) gid=280(mailman) groups=280(mailman),16(cron)

# ls -l /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep 12 15:47
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

I tried to emerge mailman again today just incase that helped. Same results.

daevid portage-logs # ll *mailman*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62662 Sep  7 11:34 3485-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep  7 11:34 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62663 Sep 12 15:47 3528-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep 12 15:48 3529-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log

>From the .log file:

checking for --with-permcheck... yes
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for user name "mailman"... okay
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for group name "mailman"... okay
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mailman
checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... apache

I am using Exim as my MTA BTW:

[ebuild   R   ] mail-mta/exim-4.50-r1  +X -dnsdb -exiscan -exiscan-acl +ipv6
-ldap -lmtp -mailwrapper -mbox +mysql -nis +pam +perl -postgres -sasl +ssl
-syslog +tcpd 1,401 kB 

But I don't believe that's changed since:

daevid portage-logs # ll *exim*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 23369 Jul  7 00:57 3190-exim-4.50-r1.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   242 Jul  7 00:57 3191-exim-4.50-r1.log

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail

2005-09-12 Thread Rich West

I did some further analysis and discovered that the messages (with the 
same message ID) were showing up in the "ps" output as processing "from 
queue".  Digging a little further, I tried killing off the sendmail 
processes that were processing those requests, and I saw the following 
appear in the mailman log:
Sep 12 20:53:28 2005 (24387) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted 
system call'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So.. that got me thinking that Mailman was somehow not ending the 
connection properly OR that my sendmail install really didn't like 
handling multiple messages in one stream (I'm blanking as to why).  With 
all of that in mind, I set :
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1

And things started working.  Odd..

Now, I know that this is definitely NOT ideal or optimal.. But, what 
could be going wrong?  I tried reducing the 
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to "0" for my tests, and the problem 
crept back.  I moved that back to 1, then set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to "0", and 
the problem crept back.  Only the config above seemed to work..

My mind is a jumbled mess thinking about this, but if anyone has any 
ideas.. I'm all ears. :)

-Rich

>I've had mailman running for years and have only recently started having 
>some delivery problems with it.  I originally chalked it up to a 
>particular set of users within the one list that I am on (we host a 
>bunch of lists for others), but, after some investigation, I have been 
>unable to narrow down the source of the problem.
>
>Essentially, we have users A, B, C, and D.  A&B have accounts local to 
>the mailman/mail server and C&D have accounts elsewhere.  Now, when any 
>user emails to the list, mailman receives the message, then spawns off 4 
>(right now, I have "nodupes" deselected for everyone) messages in the 
>sendmail queue.
>
>If sendmail had just recently been started (aka: within the past 5 
>minutes), the message will go through just fine.
>
>However, in most cases, the messages (all with the same message ID) hang 
>in the queue forever.. or, at least, until sendmail gets restarted at 
>which time all of the messages get delivered.
>
>At this point, one would say "It's sendmail", as did I.  I dug, and dug, 
>but could not repeat the scenario without mailman in the loop.  I could 
>send email to each user directly, I could create an alias called 'test' 
>with each of the users in the alias, and then have any one of them mail 
>to "test" to have it successfully send that out to everyone.
>
>I looked in the logs on mailman, and saw nothing out of the ordinary.
>
>I'm pretty much at a loss as to where else to turn.  I tried deleting 
>the list and re-adding it, I tried deleting the list and creating one 
>under a different name.. I tried upgrading to Mailman 2.1.6.  So far, 
>everything is consistent.
>
>I was thinking of trying to set mailman to send only one message per 
>connection or something just to see if the other messages would process 
>and just leave the hanging ones out there (not sure how to set this, 
>though).
>
>I searched the archives, too, but didn't have much luck there as I was 
>not sure how to narrow down the search enough (I couldn't come up with 
>good search terms).
>
>Any ideas/help/pointers would be much appreciated!
>
>Thanks!
>-Rich
>

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail

2005-09-12 Thread Rich West

I've had mailman running for years and have only recently started having 
some delivery problems with it.  I originally chalked it up to a 
particular set of users within the one list that I am on (we host a 
bunch of lists for others), but, after some investigation, I have been 
unable to narrow down the source of the problem.

Essentially, we have users A, B, C, and D.  A&B have accounts local to 
the mailman/mail server and C&D have accounts elsewhere.  Now, when any 
user emails to the list, mailman receives the message, then spawns off 4 
(right now, I have "nodupes" deselected for everyone) messages in the 
sendmail queue.

If sendmail had just recently been started (aka: within the past 5 
minutes), the message will go through just fine.

However, in most cases, the messages (all with the same message ID) hang 
in the queue forever.. or, at least, until sendmail gets restarted at 
which time all of the messages get delivered.

At this point, one would say "It's sendmail", as did I.  I dug, and dug, 
but could not repeat the scenario without mailman in the loop.  I could 
send email to each user directly, I could create an alias called 'test' 
with each of the users in the alias, and then have any one of them mail 
to "test" to have it successfully send that out to everyone.

I looked in the logs on mailman, and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm pretty much at a loss as to where else to turn.  I tried deleting 
the list and re-adding it, I tried deleting the list and creating one 
under a different name.. I tried upgrading to Mailman 2.1.6.  So far, 
everything is consistent.

I was thinking of trying to set mailman to send only one message per 
connection or something just to see if the other messages would process 
and just leave the hanging ones out there (not sure how to set this, 
though).

I searched the archives, too, but didn't have much luck there as I was 
not sure how to narrow down the search enough (I couldn't come up with 
good search terms).

Any ideas/help/pointers would be much appreciated!

Thanks!
-Rich
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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe silently fails to moderated list

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Matt Doughty wrote:

>I have a list where subscription fails if you use the email subscription 
>interface. The list is moderated, but nothing shows up in the logs after the 
>initial inject in the
>sendmail logs. There is nothing in vette or subscribe, the request just 
>disappears into the ether.

Have you checked the alias for the -subscribe address?

What happens if you mail the -join address or send a subscribe command
to the -request address.

Have you checked the 'error' log?

If you do

bin/dumpdb lists//pending.pck

do you see the pending confirmation?

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[Mailman-Users] subscribe silently fails to moderated list

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Doughty

I have a list where subscription fails if you use the email subscription 
interface. The list is moderated, but nothing shows up in the logs after the 
initial inject in the
sendmail logs. There is nothing in vette or subscribe, the request just 
disappears into the ether.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

2005-09-12 Thread George A. Theall

On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:59:08PM -0700, Elvis Fernandes wrote:

>  Does anyone know if this mailman-MhonArc combination will work?

There are a couple of ways you can do this:

  - http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp
  - http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html

I use Richard Barnett / OpenInfo's patches; they are easy to install
provided you follow the instructions and work perfectly. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Fabricio Vargas wrote:
>
>I run this script on /var/qmail/aliases
>
>#!/bin/sh
>if [ $# = 1 ]; then
>i=$1
>echo Making links to $i in the current directory...
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" >
>.qmail-$i-admin
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" >
>.qmail-$i-bounces
># The following line is for VERP
># echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" >
>.qmail-$i-bounces-default
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" >
>.qmail-$i-confirm
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" >
>.qmail-$i-leave
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" >
>.qmail-$i-owner
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" >
>.qmail-$i-request
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" >
>.qmail-$i-subscribe
>echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" >
>.qmail-$i-unsubscribe
>fi
>
>And now i have the following files  on /var/qmail/aliases
>
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  53 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-admin
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
>.qmail-lista3-bounces
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
>.qmail-lista3-confirm
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  53 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-join
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-leave
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-owner
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
>.qmail-lista3-request
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  58 Sep 12 15:59
>.qmail-lista3-subscribe
>-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  60 Sep 12 15:59
>.qmail-lista3-unsubscribe
>
>and i have this in virtualdomains
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] alias]# more /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains
>mydomain.bo:mydomain_bo
>otherdomain.bo:otherdomain_bo
>
>but still the problem
>
>Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ns.asoban.bo.
>I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>vdeliver: Invalid or unknown virtual user 'lista3'

Since you've found the above script, you've probably seen the
information at http://www.list.org/mailman-install/qmail-issues.html.

Beyond this, you are more likely to find help for this issue from qmail
folks than from Mailman folks. See for example
http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#qmail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Elvis Fernandes wrote:

> I am trying to setup a discussion archival system, where the discussion 
>between users in a mail-list can be browsed on a webpage.
>On searching the web, it seems like MhonArc can do this.
> I have setup mailman, and can access the mail-lists using a browser.
>It seems that mailman is POP, and hence there is no inbox.
>Is that correct, or could someone tell me where is the file containing all 
>the emails for a mail-list?

Normally it is $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox


> Does anyone know if this mailman-MhonArc combination will work?

It will.

Visit the FAQ wizard
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for mhonarc.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Config

2005-09-12 Thread Carl Zwanzig

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Sujay Thomas wrote:

> 1. Subscribers send mail to the mailing list address.
> 2. Everyone in the mailing list gets this message.
> 3. Any replies made to the messages get sent to everyone as well.
> 
> Right now it doesn't do this and I can't seem to figure out how to set it up 
> that way. It can be done, right? 

If I understand correctly, you want a reply to a list message to go to
everyone on the list, not just the originator of the message. If so,
set the list as "reply to list" not "reply to poster".

OTOH, many people consider that a Bad Thing. Virtually all email
programs have a "reply-all" function, and that should be used if
you want to the entire list to see your reply. (flames on this to
nla0:)

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[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Config

2005-09-12 Thread Sujay Thomas

This might be a rather simple solution but I can't seem to figure it out. 
I've set up a Mailman mailing list on my website and I want it to do just a 
few things:

1. Subscribers send mail to the mailing list address.
2. Everyone in the mailing list gets this message.
3. Any replies made to the messages get sent to everyone as well.

Right now it doesn't do this and I can't seem to figure out how to set it up 
that way. It can be done, right? 

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

2005-09-12 Thread Elvis Fernandes

 Hello,
 I am trying to setup a discussion archival system, where the discussion 
between users in a mail-list can be browsed on a webpage.
On searching the web, it seems like MhonArc can do this.
 I have setup mailman, and can access the mail-lists using a browser.
It seems that mailman is POP, and hence there is no inbox.
Is that correct, or could someone tell me where is the file containing all 
the emails for a mail-list?
 Does anyone know if this mailman-MhonArc combination will work?
 Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail

2005-09-12 Thread Fabricio Vargas

I run this script on /var/qmail/aliases

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
i=$1
echo Making links to $i in the current directory...
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" >
.qmail-$i-admin
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" >
.qmail-$i-bounces
# The following line is for VERP
# echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" >
.qmail-$i-bounces-default
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" >
.qmail-$i-confirm
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" >
.qmail-$i-leave
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" >
.qmail-$i-owner
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" >
.qmail-$i-request
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" >
.qmail-$i-subscribe
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" >
.qmail-$i-unsubscribe
fi

And now i have the following files  on /var/qmail/aliases

-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  53 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-admin
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
.qmail-lista3-bounces
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
.qmail-lista3-confirm
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  53 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-join
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-leave
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  54 Sep 12 15:59 .qmail-lista3-owner
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  56 Sep 12 15:59
.qmail-lista3-request
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  58 Sep 12 15:59
.qmail-lista3-subscribe
-rw-r--r--1 root qmail  60 Sep 12 15:59
.qmail-lista3-unsubscribe

and i have this in virtualdomains

[EMAIL PROTECTED] alias]# more /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains
mydomain.bo:mydomain_bo
otherdomain.bo:otherdomain_bo

but still the problem

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ns.asoban.bo.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
vdeliver: Invalid or unknown virtual user 'lista3'

-Mensaje original-
De: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: lunes, 12 de septiembre de 2005 15:26
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail

Fabricio Vargas wrote:
>
>and add the following to /etc/aliasses
>
>## lista3 mailing list
>lista3:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post lista3"
>lista3-admin:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin lista3"
>lista3-bounces:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces lista3"
>lista3-confirm:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm lista3"
>lista3-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join lista3"
>lista3-leave:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave lista3"
>lista3-owner:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner lista3"
>lista3-request:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request lista3"
>lista3-subscribe:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe lista3"
>lista3-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe lista3"

This is not the way aliases work with qmail. See
http://www.qmail.org/qmail-manual-html/misc/INSTALL.alias.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Daevid Vincent wrote:
>
>Furthermore, it appears that the .ebuild has those --with flags mentioned in
>the FAQ.
>
># more /usr/portage/net-mail/mailman/mailman-2.1.5-r4.ebuild
>...
>src_compile() {
>econf \
>--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
>--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
>--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
>|| die "configure failed"
>
>make || die "make failed"
>}
>...


Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and
should be 'mail'.

Your original post says:

>daevid portage-logs # ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
>-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34 /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

Thus, the wrapper was recompiled with the upgrade on Sep 7 and that's
when things quit working so this is the likely cause.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent

Thanks for the reply. I don't know why this would have broken/changed. I've
been running mailman, so this was really just an upgrade. Same user/groups,
lists, dirs, etc.

The only 'USE' flag I have availabe to me is +apache2
[ebuild   R   ] net-mail/mailman-2.1.5-r4  +apache2 5,611 kB 

Furthermore, it appears that the .ebuild has those --with flags mentioned in
the FAQ.

# more /usr/portage/net-mail/mailman/mailman-2.1.5-r4.ebuild
...
src_compile() {
econf \
--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
|| die "configure failed"

make || die "make failed"
}
...

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:11 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade
> 
> Daevid Vincent wrote:
> >
> >Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
> >expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group 
> "mailman", but_the
> >system's mail server executed the mail script as_group 
> "mail".  Try tweaking
> >the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or 
> re-run configure,
> >_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
> 
> See 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.016.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archiveIndex

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Ryanczak

Mark,
Thanks or the information. I'll make sure to go through process of 
submitting this patch to the community site.

-Matt

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Matt Ryanczak wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I was asked to make the date for each message in a mailman archive be
>>visible in the index for that month. This required that I modify
>>HyperArch.py and the template file archidxentry.html. I thought others
>>might find this useful so here are the relevant patches for the
>>mailman-2.1.6 source tree. 
>>
>>I apologize if this is a duplication of someone else efforts, I searched
>>around and could not find a way to do this in mailman as it was or a
>>patch to do the same.
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for developing this patch. It would help for tracking and
>possible adoption into the base if you would submit it to the Mailman
>patch tracker at
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103
>
>You might also add a note to the RFE at
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=843141&group_id=103&atid=350103
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Password

2005-09-12 Thread Brad Knowles

At 1:15 PM -0400 2005-09-12, Phil wrote:

>  I have forgotten the password to one of my mail lists.  For the life of me I
>  can't seem to find a way to reset the password.  Any help?  The control
>  panel would be Plesk 7

Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
 and search for "plesk". 
We will try to provide whatever help we can, but because of the way 
they modify Mailman for integration with Plesk, we will be very 
limited in what we can do.

You could contact the vendor or their support group for assistance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Daevid Vincent wrote:
>
>Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
>expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but_the
>system's mail server executed the mail script as_group "mail".  Try tweaking
>the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.016.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archiveIndex

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Ryanczak

Andrew,
Are you running mailman version 2.1.6? I you like, please send me a
copy of your HyperArch.py and I'll take a look at it. I did test this
patch out before sending it to the list so I know it works (well, at
least for me.

-Matt

On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 15:14 -0400, Andrew Smith wrote:
> I was looking for a solution to put the date available in the archives.
> I have completed the patch as described and get an error when I rebuild
> my archives
> - - - 
> File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1005, in
> write_index_entry
> datestr = self.get_header("datestr", article)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1027, in
> get_header
> return getattr(article, field)
> AttributeError: Article instance has no attribute 'datestr'
> - - -
> 
> Anyone able to help me with this?
> 
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> >>> Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/12/2005 2:06:52 PM >>>
> Matt Ryanczak wrote:
> 
> >I was asked to make the date for each message in a mailman archive be
> >visible in the index for that month. This required that I modify
> >HyperArch.py and the template file archidxentry.html. I thought
> others
> >might find this useful so here are the relevant patches for the
> >mailman-2.1.6 source tree. 
> >
> >I apologize if this is a duplication of someone else efforts, I
> searched
> >around and could not find a way to do this in mailman as it was or a
> >patch to do the same.
> 
> Thanks for developing this patch. It would help for tracking and
> possible adoption into the base if you would submit it to the Mailman
> patch tracker at
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent

Mailman was working, then a (Gentoo) 'emerge -Davu system' update happened
the other day and looks like it broke mailman.

daevid portage-logs # ll *mailman*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62662 Sep  7 11:34 3485-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep  7 11:34 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log

Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but_the
system's mail server executed the mail script as_group "mail".  Try tweaking
the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
Sep 12 12:16:19 [exim] 2005-09-12 12:16:19 1EEtms-00021M-60 **
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from
command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

daevid bin # locate mail_wrapper
daevid bin # locate as_group

daevid portage-logs # ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

daevid bin # ll
total 372
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman  4096 Sep  7 11:34 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman mailman  4096 Apr  4 13:52 ..
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  7612 Sep  7 11:34 add_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5406 Sep  7 11:34 arch
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  3748 Sep  7 11:34 auto
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2559 Sep  7 11:34 b4b5-archfix
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6130 Sep  7 11:34 change_pw
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4264 Sep  7 11:34 check_db
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 12223 Sep  7 11:34 check_perms
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6632 Sep  7 11:34 check_perms_grsecurity.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5492 Sep  7 11:34 cleanarch
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6409 Sep  7 11:34 clone_member
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 12326 Sep  7 11:34 config_list
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  1499 Sep  7 11:34 convert.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3238 Sep  7 11:34 discard
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4399 Sep  7 11:34 dumpdb
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4951 Sep  7 11:34 find_member
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2633 Sep  7 11:34 fix_url.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  2497 Apr  4 13:52 fix_url.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3097 Sep  7 11:34 genaliases
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2815 Sep  7 11:34 inject
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2561 Sep  7 11:34 list_admins
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3329 Sep  7 11:34 list_lists
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  8316 Sep  7 11:34 list_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3165 Sep  7 11:34 list_owners
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 21124 Sep  7 11:34 mailmanctl
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman 18995 Sep  7 11:34 majordomo2mailman.pl
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  5951 Sep  7 11:34 mm-handler
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  7048 Sep  7 11:34 mm-handler.readme
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2989 Sep  7 11:34 mmsitepass
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5530 Sep  7 11:34 msgfmt.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  7127 Sep  7 11:34 newlist
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  2412 Sep  7 11:34 paths.py
-rw-r--r--   1 rootmailman   652 Sep  7 11:34 paths.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4076 Sep  7 11:34 qmail-to-mailman.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  9196 Sep  7 11:34 qrunner
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2957 Sep  7 11:34 rb-archfix
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4699 Sep  7 11:34 remove_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4256 Sep  7 11:34 rmlist
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3463 Sep  7 11:34 rotatelogs.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  1346 Sep  7 11:34 show_qfiles
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  9664 Sep  7 11:34 sync_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 11999 Sep  7 11:34 transcheck
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2286 Sep  7 11:34 unshunt
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 29648 Sep  7 11:34 update
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman   963 Sep  7 11:34 version
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  8382 Sep  7 11:34 withlist

daevid portage-logs # more 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
No updates are necessary.
 * Running `/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f` *
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/options must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/private must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/rmlist must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/roster must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman must be set-gid (fixing)
Problems found: 12
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
 * 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Fabricio Vargas wrote:
>
>and add the following to /etc/aliasses
>
>## lista3 mailing list
>lista3:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post lista3"
>lista3-admin:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin lista3"
>lista3-bounces:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces lista3"
>lista3-confirm:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm lista3"
>lista3-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join lista3"
>lista3-leave:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave lista3"
>lista3-owner:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner lista3"
>lista3-request:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request lista3"
>lista3-subscribe:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe lista3"
>lista3-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe lista3"

This is not the way aliases work with qmail. See
http://www.qmail.org/qmail-manual-html/misc/INSTALL.alias.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archiveIndex

2005-09-12 Thread Andrew Smith

I was looking for a solution to put the date available in the archives.
I have completed the patch as described and get an error when I rebuild
my archives
- - - 
File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1005, in
write_index_entry
datestr = self.get_header("datestr", article)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1027, in
get_header
return getattr(article, field)
AttributeError: Article instance has no attribute 'datestr'
- - -

Anyone able to help me with this?

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>>> Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/12/2005 2:06:52 PM >>>
Matt Ryanczak wrote:

>I was asked to make the date for each message in a mailman archive be
>visible in the index for that month. This required that I modify
>HyperArch.py and the template file archidxentry.html. I thought
others
>might find this useful so here are the relevant patches for the
>mailman-2.1.6 source tree. 
>
>I apologize if this is a duplication of someone else efforts, I
searched
>around and could not find a way to do this in mailman as it was or a
>patch to do the same.

Thanks for developing this patch. It would help for tracking and
possible adoption into the base if you would submit it to the Mailman
patch tracker at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103 

You might also add a note to the RFE at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=843141&group_id=103&atid=350103


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[Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail

2005-09-12 Thread Fabricio Vargas

HI
I have  qmail with Centos 3.5, I am trying to install mailman 2.1.6,  but
when i send a mail i get this error:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ns.asoban.bo.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
vdeliver: Invalid or unknown virtual user 'lista3'

I followed the guide "GNU - Mailman" and this is my configuration

in Defaults.py

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ns.mydomain.bo'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ns.mydomain.bo'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

in  mm_cfg.py

add_virtualhost('www.mydomain.bo','mydomain.bo')

I create the list whit this command

./newlist --urlhost=www.mydomain.bo --emailhost=mydomain.bo lista3

and add the following to /etc/aliasses

## lista3 mailing list
lista3:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post lista3"
lista3-admin:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin lista3"
lista3-bounces:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces lista3"
lista3-confirm:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm lista3"
lista3-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join lista3"
lista3-leave:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave lista3"
lista3-owner:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner lista3"
lista3-request:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request lista3"
lista3-subscribe:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe lista3"
lista3-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe lista3"

Could anyone help me to identified where is the problem?

Thank you

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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archiveIndex

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Matt Ryanczak wrote:

>I was asked to make the date for each message in a mailman archive be
>visible in the index for that month. This required that I modify
>HyperArch.py and the template file archidxentry.html. I thought others
>might find this useful so here are the relevant patches for the
>mailman-2.1.6 source tree. 
>
>I apologize if this is a duplication of someone else efforts, I searched
>around and could not find a way to do this in mailman as it was or a
>patch to do the same.

Thanks for developing this patch. It would help for tracking and
possible adoption into the base if you would submit it to the Mailman
patch tracker at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103

You might also add a note to the RFE at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=843141&group_id=103&atid=350103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Password

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Ryanczak

Phil,
Try the command change_pw in your mailman bin directory. Here's the
output of change_pw --help

Usage: change_pw [options]

Options:

--all / -a
Change the password for all lists.

--domain=domain
-d domain
Change the password for all lists in the virtual domain
`domain'.  It
is okay to give multiple -d options.

--listname=listname
-l listname
Change the password only for the named list.  It is okay to give
multiple -l options.

--password=newpassword
-p newpassword
Use the supplied plain text password `newpassword' as the new
password
for any lists that are being changed (as specified by the -a,
-d, and
-l options).  If not given, lists will be assigned a randomly
generated new password.

--quiet / -q
Don't notify list owners of the new password.  You'll have to
have
some other way of letting the list owners know the new password
(presumably out-of-band).

--help / -h
Print this help message and exit.

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> I have forgotten the password to one of my mail lists.  For the life of me I
> can't seem to find a way to reset the password.  Any help?  The control
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[Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archive Index

2005-09-12 Thread Matt Ryanczak

I was asked to make the date for each message in a mailman archive be
visible in the index for that month. This required that I modify
HyperArch.py and the template file archidxentry.html. I thought others
might find this useful so here are the relevant patches for the
mailman-2.1.6 source tree. 

I apologize if this is a duplication of someone else efforts, I searched
around and could not find a way to do this in mailman as it was or a
patch to do the same.


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Apply the following patches to your mailman source tree and setup as
usual. You should be able to patch a live copy of mailman without issue
though you will have to modify the patch files according to the prefix
mailman is installed in. If you patch a live mailman install you'll have
to run "$PREFIX/bin/arch --wipe $LISTNAME" for each list hosted by that
mailman installation.

--- HyperArch.py2005-09-12 11:29:44.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py   2005-05-13
07:35:37.0 -0400
@@ -1024,7 +1024,6 @@
 def write_index_entry(self, article):
 subject = self.get_header("subject", article)
 author = self.get_header("author", article)
-datestr = self.get_header("datestr", article)
 if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS:
 try:
 author = re.sub('@', _(' at '), author)
@@ -1033,14 +1032,12 @@
 pass
 subject = CGIescape(subject, self.lang)
 author = CGIescape(author, self.lang)
-datestr = CGIescape(datestr, self.lang)

 d = {
 'filename': urllib.quote(article.filename),
 'subject':  subject,
 'sequence': article.sequence,
-'author':   author,
-'datestr':  datestr
+'author':   author
 }
 print quick_maketext(
 'archidxentry.html', d,



--- archidxentry.html   2005-09-12 11:34:59.0 -0400
+++ /home/ryanczak/src/mailman-2.1.6/templates/en/archidxentry.html
2002-10-08 12:50:41.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
- %(datestr)s  %(subject)s
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[Mailman-Users] Mail List Password

2005-09-12 Thread Phil

I have forgotten the password to one of my mail lists.  For the life of me I
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro

Darren G Pifer wrote:

>Under the membership management section, up to some number
>of e-mail addresses, mailman splits the e-mail addresses into 
>alphabetized sections. One of our list admins would like to have
>mailman show all of the e-mail addresses in a single window, if
>possible, or into multiple windows of 50 or 100 e-mail address chunks.

Each list has an attribute admin_member_chunksize which controls this
for that list. If the total membership is <=
admin_membership_chunksize, it will be displayed in one page.
Otherwise, it will be displayed in sections by the first character of
the e-mail address.

There is an existing RFE related to this at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=782436&group_id=103&atid=350103

Unfortunately, the gotcha here is that admin_member_chunksize is not
available in the admin interface (see
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1072002&group_id=103&atid=100103).
It is set at list create time from the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py variable
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE, but after the list is created, it has
to be changed with bin/withlist. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-June/045020.html
for an example of how to do this.

The search
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+admin_member_chunksize
will turn up lots of prior discussion of this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

2005-09-12 Thread Darren G Pifer

Thanks for the information. Let me ask one more question along this
track of new things mailman 2.1.x included that was done differently
than 2.0.x. Under the membership management section, up to some number
of e-mail addresses, mailman splits the e-mail addresses into 
alphabetized sections. One of our list admins would like to have
mailman show all of the e-mail addresses in a single window, if
possible, or into multiple windows of 50 or 100 e-mail address chunks.
The list admin complains that he has to click on the first letter of
each section of e-mail addresses to change a setting. Is there a way to
do this with mailman 2.1.6b4 with a option in the default.py file or is
this something I would have to submit to the mailman developers as a new
feature?

Regards,

Darren
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> Darren G Pifer 
> >I believe she is
> >saying is that if she is a member of her own list, she still has to
> >approve the message before it goes out. If she was not a member of list
> >and was in the non-member list of addresses for her list, then the mail
> >would go out without approval. I don't know this affects MM processing,
> >if the member address member name has the mod flag set, and she sends
> >to her list, will it still be held for approval?
> 
> 
> Yes, and that appears to be the issue here. If she is a moderated
> member, her posts are supposed to be held for approval (or otherwise
> disposed of according to member_moderation_action). That's what
> moderated means. It makes no difference whether she is a list owner or
> moderator herself.
> 
> If she is moderated, the only way she can post without the post being
> held is to include an
> 
> Approved: 
> 
> line in her post either as a header or as an initial body line. If
> included in the body, it is best to make it the first line and follow
> it with a blank line as at least some Mailman versions will remove the
> line following when removing the Approved: line from the post.
> 
> Also, she is correct that in Mailman 2.1.x there is no list per se of
> members who are allowed to post without moderation. You have to turn
> off moderation individually for those members who you want to post
> without moderation.
> 
> It would be simple for someone who knows Mailman and Python to create a
> withlist script that would turn off moderation for a list of members,
> but as far as I know there isn't one currently available.
> 
> In another post in this thread Darren wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:29, Brad Knowles wrote:
> >
> >> >  The newest problem is:  Because Classroom is a shared email account, it
> >> >  shows the "real sender" - who is a member of the list with a check-mark
> >> >  in the MOD box, so it holds the email and waits for administrator
> >> >  approval.
> >> 
> >>Make sure that your MUA properly uses the desired sender address 
> >> as both the envelope sender and in the header "From:" and "Sender:" 
> >> fields.
> >> 
> >>Or, go into your mm_cfg.py file and change what fields you look 
> >> at for determining list membership.  If you don't have explicit 
> >> settings for this, see the examples from Defaults.py, then copy them 
> >> over to mm_cfg.py and change as necessary for your installation.
> >
> >These are settings for envelope sender from Defaults.py which is looking
> >like it is doing the right thing.
> 
> 
> The setting in Defaults.py is 'USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No' which says use
> the headers as specified in SENDER_HEADERS.
> 
> 
> >
> >How can we confirm that the MUA is doing the right thing? Would this be
> >one of the mailers sendmail would be using, like mlocal?
> 
> The MUA is the 'user agent' (also called e-mail client) that the user
> uses to compose and send the mail. This is normally what sets fields
> such as From: and envelope sender in a mail message. If users want to
> post using the "classroom" address, they may need to set up a separate
> 'account' in their MUA to post from. You can verify what is being done
> by having them send to you and examining the full headers of the
> message you receive. Note that there should be a Return-Path: header
> indicating the envelope sender.
> 
> But note, It will be only a very short time before students figure out
> how to post from 'classroom'. That's why this method is not
> recommended as a secure posting method on a one-way or few-to-many
> type of list. The secure way to do this is by moderating everyone and
> giving authorized posters the list password so they can post with an
> Approved: header. See
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.034.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: GMAIL

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull

> "Bryan" == Bryan Carbonnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bryan> I *won't* see this e-mail coming back from the list in my
Bryan> GMail, but I *will* see it with my home e-mail address.

ISTR that GMail (but maybe it was Yahoo) uses some kind of header to
"tag" its own mail, and if that's not there it concludes it's a spoof,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: 'utf8' codeccan'tdecode bytes in position 1-4: invalid data

2005-09-12 Thread Aliet Santiesteban Sifontes

Mark, I found the problematic email, look at this:
...more mail data here
--TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/
Content-Type: application/msword
Content-Disposition: attachment;
   
filename*=utf-8''C%F3mo%20montar%20un%20servidor%20Samba%20PDC%20en%20una%20red%20de%20m%E1quinas%20MS%20Windows%20XP%
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

...more mail data here
--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Aliet Santiesteban Sifontes wrote:
> 
> >Thank's Mark, how could I find the bad message,
> 
> 
> You have to look through the digest.mbox file and
> find
> Content-Disposition: headers. Typically, such a
> header might look like
> 
> Content-Disposition: attachment;
>   filename="Some_name.ext"
> 
> In your case, the value of the filename= will look
> garbled.
> 
> 
> >I'm
> >worried because If I can make the list work again,
> I
> >have the risk this happens again, is there any
> patch
> >for this??. I think that this can be a potencial
> dos
> >attack to other lists on the net.
> 
> 
> There is no patch that I know of. The actual error
> occurs in the Python
> email library, not in Mailman. The code has changed
> between Mailman
> 2.1.5 and 2.1.6, but not in a way that I think would
> avoid the
> exception.
> 
> You could try replacing the line
> 
> fnext =
> os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
> 
> in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py
> with
> 
> try:
> fnext =
> os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
> except UnicodeDecodeError:
> fnext = ''
> 
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> for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use
> your sense - B. Dylan
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs on Tiger Server

2005-09-12 Thread Dan Phillips

On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:07 AM, David Scribner wrote:

> Somehow since the beginning of the month none of my Mailman cron jobs
> are running correctly.

Did you apply the latest security update from Apple? On my system,  
doing so deleted mailman's crontab, as did the update from 10.4.1 to  
10.4.2. Supposedly, in Tiger cron jobs have mostly been replaced by  
launchd, but apparently nothing was done to replace Mailman's  
necessary cron functions. Luckily for me, I had a copy of the Mailman  
crontab, which I was able to reinstall, and everything worked  
normally again.

Dan

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[Mailman-Users] Cron jobs on Tiger Server

2005-09-12 Thread David Scribner

Somehow since the beginning of the month none of my Mailman cron jobs 
are running correctly.  The mailpasswds cron job ran on the 1st of 
the month but since then none of the jobs like "senddigests" or the 
daily reminders of pending administrative notices have been running. 
I don't know what is causing this.  I did not make any changes to the 
set-up of Mailman except for adding several new mailing lists.

Digests have been sent at odd times, none of which have made any 
sense to me since they are not going out at the appointed time or 
because they have reached the set size to be sent.

I have checked the permissions and as far as I can se they are all OK 
so I'm not sure where to look to find the problem.  Below is a 
listing of the Mailman cron jobs showing the permissions if that 
might help any of you to help me figure this out.

Thanks

David Scribner
BI Consulting

*
lists2:/usr/share/mailman administrator$ ls
Mailman cronmessagestemplates
bin icons   pythonlib   tests
cgi-bin mailscripts
lists2:/usr/share/mailman administrator$ cd cron
lists2:/usr/share/mailman/cron administrator$ ls
bumpdigests crontab.in  gate_news   nightly_gzippaths.pyc
checkdbsdisabledmailpasswds paths.pysenddigests
lists2:/usr/share/mailman/cron administrator$ ls -al
total 144
drwxrwsr-x   12 root mailman408 Jul 30 16:15 .
drwxrwsr-x   13 root mailman442 Mar 20 17:17 ..
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   2374 Mar 20 17:17 bumpdigests
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   5930 Mar 20 17:17 checkdbs
-rw-r--r--1 root mailman   1261 Mar 20 17:17 crontab.in
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   8238 Mar 20 17:17 disabled
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman  10170 Mar 20 17:17 gate_news
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   9065 Mar 20 17:17 mailpasswds
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   4376 Mar 20 17:17 nightly_gzip
-rw-r--r--1 root mailman   2412 Mar 20 17:17 paths.py
-rw-r--r--1 mailman  mailman653 Jul 30 16:15 paths.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x1 root mailman   2363 Mar 20 17:17 senddigests

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello & Question about compile error under OS X10.4.2

2005-09-12 Thread Jakko Westerbeke

According to Mark Sapiro, on 11-9-05 21:23 the word on the street was...

> See
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp
> and in particular the linked post at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045693.html

Thanks, but I already found those articles and followed their 
instructions -- they work well until I run make install and encounter 
this error :(

> I think you can simply edit /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py

That was the first thing I tried, without success ...

And as I'm trying again now, I've just completed the make step, but can 
only find paths.py in /usr/local/mailman-2.1.6/misc/ (which is the dir 
I'm installing from, not to). *some waiting later* Strangely, but 
happily, it worked now. I have no idea what I did wrong first time 
round, but make install just exited without errors.

Thanks :) Time to get on with the rest of the install :)

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