[Mailman-Users] subscribe page

2015-05-07 Thread Thomas Stein
Hello.

I am trying to find the setting in postorius to allow a user to subscribe to a 
mailing list on its own. All i see is You have to log in to subscribe to this 
list. 

thanks for any hints.

cheers
t.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Alain Williams
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 10:09:06AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 On 05/06/2015 10:33 AM, Eric Lamer wrote:
  
 Can I install Mailman on CentOs 6.5?
 
 
 There's no technical reason why not.

There is an RPM, so:

yum install mailman

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 03:18 PM, Alain Williams wrote:
 On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 10:09:06AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 On 05/06/2015 10:33 AM, Eric Lamer wrote:

Can I install Mailman on CentOs 6.5?


 There's no technical reason why not.
 
 There is an RPM, so:
 
 yum install mailman


I assumed, perhaps erroneously, that he was asking about installing the
current version (2.1.20) from source rather than the Red Hat/CentOS
package version (2.1.12 - 6 years old?) that yum will install.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Carl Zwanzig

On 5/7/2015 6:26 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:

I will reinstall a brand new CentOs 6.5 then install Mailman, should I
install directly version 2.1.20 or should I use yum first then upgrade?


Install centos 6.5, run yum update  reboot (you'll end up at 6.6), install 
mailman directly from *source*. Do not install mailman from yum first.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 06:01 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 I tried to upgrade to version 2.1.20 or 2.1.18 and I have a lot of problems, 
 io error etc.


We'd be happy to help if you post tracebacks or mailman error log messages.

Lot's of i/o error issues are permissions, and Mailman's bin/check_perms
-f run as root will fix most of them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Eric Lamer
I will reinstall a brand new CentOs 6.5 then install Mailman, should I install 
directly version 2.1.20 or should I use yum first then upgrade?







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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

On 05/07/2015 06:01 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 I tried to upgrade to version 2.1.20 or 2.1.18 and I have a lot of problems, 
 io error etc.


We'd be happy to help if you post tracebacks or mailman error log messages.

Lot's of i/o error issues are permissions, and Mailman's bin/check_perms -f run 
as root will fix most of them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Eric Lamer
I tried to upgrade to version 2.1.20 or 2.1.18 and I have a lot of problems, io 
error etc.







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Alain Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:26 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 04:10:09PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 On 05/07/2015 03:18 PM, Alain Williams wrote:
  On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 10:09:06AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
  On 05/06/2015 10:33 AM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 
 Can I install Mailman on CentOs 6.5?
 
 
  There's no technical reason why not.
 
  There is an RPM, so:
 
  yum install mailman


 I assumed, perhaps erroneously, that he was asking about installing
 the current version (2.1.20) from source rather than the Red
 Hat/CentOS package version (2.1.12 - 6 years old?) that yum will install.

It is not hard to do.  In fact it is what I do (ie not use the RPM version) 
this is because I have the same list name in different domains.

Unpack and run something like:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman/example.org 
--with-var-prefix=/var/spool/mailman/example.org --with-cgi-gid=apache 
--with-mailhost=lists.example.org --with-urlhost=lists.example.org



I will shortly try to install MM3 on CentOS 7 ... the biggest issue looks to be 
that it does not have a version of python that is new enough - so the first 
thing to fix.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 06:26 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 I will reinstall a brand new CentOs 6.5 then install Mailman, should I 
 install directly version 2.1.20 or should I use yum first then upgrade?


Install directly from 2.1.20 following
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html (also in the tarball).

If you install the RHEL/CentOS package, you have to deal with things
being spread all over. See http://wiki.list.org/x/8486953. This makes
an upgrade from source difficult at best. The only reason to do it is if
you run with SELinux enabled. That causes difficulty if you don't do it
the Red Hat way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 07:48 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 What parameters should I use for the configure?


I recommend

--prefix=/usr/lib/mailman
--with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman

The above are optional. Without them everything installs in
/usr/local/mailman which is also OK, but I prefer to separate the
mutable and immutable data and the above are more consistent with FHS.

Then for CentOS with Postfix

--with-cgi-gid=apache
--with-mail-gid=mailman
--with-mailhost=Your.primary.email.domain
--with-urlhost=Your.primary.web.domain

and if you aren't going to use the system's default Python

--with-python=/path/to/pythonx.y

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 10:05 PM, Dennis Longnecker wrote:
 Thanks for the assistance on this.  It appears from the responses, there is
 nothing wrong with my mailman setup.   I have noticed I am getting a bunch
 of these e-mails.This is all so confusing...just want to scouts in the
 troop to be able to send and receive e-mail from the mailing list.   Any
 suggestions on how to fix this?
 
 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
 
 A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
 recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
 
   x...@gmail.com
 SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
 host
 productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com
 [54.214.243.124]:
 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See
 https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b
 ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876


It's hard to say for sure, but it looks to me like your outbound mail is
being relayed through a mail server at Amazon Web Services, possibly by
US-West and for some reason that server is not accepting these messages.
It don't think it has anything to do with DMARC, but it might.

I think it's more likely some kind of rate limiting or they just don't
like the server that's sending to them.

I think you will have to involve your hosting provider in diagnosing and
fixing this issue. It may be some configuration in their outgoing mail
that is the problem or something else, but without a whole lot more info
than is in those bounce messages, I can't say.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Eric Lamer
What parameters should I use for the configure?







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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 10:05 PM
To: Eric Lamer;
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

On 05/07/2015 06:26 PM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 I will reinstall a brand new CentOs 6.5 then install Mailman, should I 
 install directly version 2.1.20 or should I use yum first then upgrade?


Install directly from 2.1.20 following
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html (also in the tarball).

If you install the RHEL/CentOS package, you have to deal with things being 
spread all over. See http://wiki.list.org/x/8486953. This makes an upgrade 
from source difficult at best. The only reason to do it is if you run with 
SELinux enabled. That causes difficulty if you don't do it the Red Hat way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please

2015-05-07 Thread Dennis Longnecker
Thanks for the assistance on this.  It appears from the responses, there is
nothing wrong with my mailman setup.   I have noticed I am getting a bunch
of these e-mails.This is all so confusing...just want to scouts in the
troop to be able to send and receive e-mail from the mailing list.   Any
suggestions on how to fix this?

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  x...@gmail.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host
productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com
[54.214.243.124]:
550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See
https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b
ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876
  x...@yahoo.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host
productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com
[54.214.243.124]:
550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See
https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b
ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876
  x...@hotmail.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host
productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com
[54.214.243.124]:
550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See
https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b
ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876
  x...@wahzoo2.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host
productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com
[54.214.243.124]:
550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See
https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b
ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876
  x...@eri-intl.com

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Longnecker [mailto:dlongnec...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 7:15 AM
To: 'mailman-users@python.org'
Subject: Mailman and dmark help -- please

I have a mailing list setup for our boy scout troop.  The site is running
mailman version version 2.1.18-1.   I looking at various lists, I believe I
have as much set as I can.

(Details for from_is_list) = Munge From

I really -- really want the list set so when someone gets an e-mail from the
list they can see who sent it and when they click reply it goes to the
original sender.  When I have the remove sender option, etc. People don't
know who the e-mail came from or how to directly reply.

I was reading about some DNS DMARC settings, but frankly it really confused
me.  What I have observed:

E-mail from MSN to list
Comcast Users = DOn't Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Don't Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

E-mail from GMAIL to list
Comcast Users = DOn't Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Don't Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

E-mail from Comcast to list
Comcast Users = DO Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Do Get it
outlook.com = Do Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

E-mail from AOL to list
Comcast Users = DO Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Dont Get it
outlook.com = Dont Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

E-mail from Outlook to list
Comcast Users = DO Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Dont Get it
outlook.com = Dont Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

E-mail from Yahoo to list
Comcast Users = DO Get it
AOL Users = Don't Get it
Yahoo Users = Do Get it
outlook.com = Do Get it
users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it.

Any sugestions?  My site is troop101-wa.org if looking at its DNS records
could help.

Dennis

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Eric Lamer
?Hi,


   Can I install Mailman on CentOs 6.5?


Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on CentOs

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/06/2015 10:33 AM, Eric Lamer wrote:
 
Can I install Mailman on CentOs 6.5?


There's no technical reason why not.

I run my production 'head of the branch' Mailman on CentOS 5.0 (soon to
be replaced with an Ubuntu 14.04 box).

I think the Python that comes with CentOS 6.5 is Python 2.6.6 which
should be OK. In my case, I have Python 2.7.9 installed along side the
CentOS 5.0 default Python 2.4.3 (you can't just upgrade Python on
RHEL/CentOS -it breaks things).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with ONE broken list (Mailman 2.1.9) - part 2

2015-05-07 Thread Drew Tenenholz
At 3:09 PM -0700 5/5/15, Mark Sapiro wrote:
I'm a bit confused, but I think I understand. You say this is Mailman
2.1.9, but the above traceback says
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py defines a list attribute
dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action which didn't exist before 2.1.18.

My best guess is something backported the DMARC mitigations into your
Mailman 2.1.9 and also included code in Mailman/versions.py to update
older lists, but whether or not a list gets updated by this process
depends on the list's data_version being less than the DATA_FILE_VERSION
defined in Mailman/Version.py.

So, still guessing but, the backport incremented DATA_FILE_VERSION so
all the existing lists got updated except the list that came from the
2.1.14 Mailman that already had a data_version = the new DATA_FILE_VERSION.

To fix this, do the following:

bin/withlist -l problem_list_name
(responses from withlist ending with prompt)
 m.data_version = 1
 m.Save()
 - control-D here to exit

If I am correct, that will fix the problem, and If it is something else,
no harm will be done.

Mark --

Thanks for the suggestion.  I did try it, and it actually did make things 
worse, though I've been able to get back to the previous (yet still broken) 
state. 

It appears to me that something within 
/lib/mailman/lists/problem-list/config.pck is the problem child.  I'd be happy 
to remove and re-create the list with good settings.  But I _must_ have the 
subscribers including their bounce status, digest-status, the real-names 
they've entered through the Mailman confirmation page, etc.etc.  Is there a way 
to do this in Mailman 2.1.9?  (Remembering that I have a working version of the 
list on a restored snapshot of the server, where everthing actually does work.)

I say this based on the results of applying the change Mark suggested, and 
recovering from the troubles it caused.  Sorry to include all the gory details 
below, and thanks to anyone who is brave enough to read to the end

Thanks Again,
Drew Tenenholz


Before applying the change Mark suggested, I thought I'd at least capture what 
/Mailman.Versions.py actually says:

[root]# more /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Version.py

# Copyright (C) 1998-2006 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
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#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301,
# USA.

# Mailman version
VERSION = 2.1.9

# And as a hex number in the manner of PY_VERSION_HEX
ALPHA = 0xa
BETA  = 0xb
GAMMA = 0xc
# release candidates
RC= GAMMA
FINAL = 0xf

MAJOR_REV = 2
MINOR_REV = 1
MICRO_REV = 9
REL_LEVEL = FINAL
# at most 15 beta releases!
REL_SERIAL = 0

HEX_VERSION = ((MAJOR_REV  24) | (MINOR_REV  16) | (MICRO_REV  8) |
   (REL_LEVEL  4)  | (REL_SERIAL  0))

# config.pck schema version number
DATA_FILE_VERSION = 97

# qfile/*.db schema version number
QFILE_SCHEMA_VERSION = 3

# version number for the lists/listname/pending.db file schema
PENDING_FILE_SCHEMA_VERSION = 2

# version number for the lists/listname/request.db file schema
REQUESTS_FILE_SCHEMA_VERSION = 1



After applying the change to the one list, I got this:

[root]# bin/withlist -l problem-list
{enter m.data_version change here}

Loading list promed-rus (locked)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./withlist, line 297, in ?
main()
  File ./withlist, line 275, in main
r = do_list(listname, args, func)
  File ./withlist, line 194, in do_list
m = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=LOCK)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__
self.Lock()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 165, in Lock
self.Load()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 670, in Load
self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 723, in CheckVersion
Update(self, stored_state)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py, line 51, in Update
UpdateOldVars(l, stored_state)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py, line 264, in UpdateOldVars
elif l.data_version = 10 and l.posters:
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__
raise AttributeError, name
AttributeError: posters



Furthermore, even the simple URL http://list.server.tld/mailman/listinfo threw 
a Python error, and bin/list_lists errored as well:

[root]# bin/list_lists
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with ONE broken list (Mailman 2.1.9) - part 2

2015-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2015 10:11 AM, Drew Tenenholz wrote:

 
 Thanks for the suggestion.  I did try it, and it actually did make things 
 worse, though I've been able to get back to the previous (yet still broken) 
 state. 


My mistake. I thought setting data_version to 1 would be OK and it was
simpler than having you look things up. Sorry ...


...
 # config.pck schema version number
 DATA_FILE_VERSION = 97


OK.


 After applying the change to the one list, I got this:
 
 [root]# bin/withlist -l problem-list
 {enter m.data_version change here}
 
 Loading list promed-rus (locked)
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./withlist, line 297, in ?
 main()
   File ./withlist, line 275, in main
 r = do_list(listname, args, func)
   File ./withlist, line 194, in do_list
 m = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=LOCK)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__
 self.Lock()
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 165, in Lock
 self.Load()
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 670, in Load
 self.CheckVersion(dict)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 723, in CheckVersion
 Update(self, stored_state)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py, line 51, in Update
 UpdateOldVars(l, stored_state)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py, line 264, in UpdateOldVars
 elif l.data_version = 10 and l.posters:
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__
 raise AttributeError, name
 AttributeError: posters


As I said, I thought it would be OK, but you get this if data_version is
= 10. So you need to set it bigger than that. Actually, in your case,
anything between 11 and 96 will do, but set it to 96.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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