Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-02-14 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hi,

again I'm getting bounces for one specific provider: Germany's T-Online.
The bounce log itself doesn't show something worth mentioning, but here's
the bounce message I'm receiving.

Could you maybe have a look?

Kind regards,
Sascha.

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

List:   rcworms-vorstand
Member: some_u...@t-online.de
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.



The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mail...@euve103340.serverprofi24.de.


-- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
From: Mail Delivery System <mailer-dae...@lists.rc-worms.de>
To: rcworms-vorstand-boun...@euve103340.serverprofi24.de
Cc:
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:38:02 + (UTC)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
This is the mail system at host lists.rc-worms.de.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

   The mail system

<some_u...@t-online.de>: host mx03.t-online.de[194.25.134.73] refused to
talk to
me: 554 IP=62.138.1.209 - A problem occurred. (Ask your postmaster for
help
or to contact t...@rx.t-online.de to clarify.) (BL)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; some_u...@t-online.de
Original-Recipient: rfc822;some_u...@t-online.de
Action: failed
Status: 4.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx03.t-online.de
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 IP=62.138.1.209 - A problem occurred. (Ask your
postmaster for help or to contact t...@rx.t-online.de to clarify.) (BL)





2016-01-27 7:23 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:

> On 01/26/2016 10:19 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> > Thanks Mark!
> >
> > Is this the SMTP HELO/EHLO configuration, you spoke of?
>
>
> Yes it is.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-26 Thread Sascha Rissel
Thanks Mark!

Is this the SMTP HELO/EHLO configuration, you spoke of?

Regards,
Sascha.
Am 27.01.2016 1:11 vorm. schrieb "Mark Sapiro" <m...@msapiro.net>:

> On 01/26/2016 03:56 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> >
> > Now I use the domain lists.rc-worms.de. If I enter that into the tool
> Mark
> > mentioned (mxtoolbox.com), everything is stated as fine, except for
> > "Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner".
> >
> > Could you please try to explain this a bit for me?
> > I use Postfix as MTA...
>
>
> Postfix is still identifying itself as euve51864.serverprofi24.de. You
> need
>
> myhostname = lists.rc-worms.de
>
> in Postfix main.cf
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-26 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hi Guys!

Many thanks for all your help so far!
I managed to configure a valid rDNS record to day and the users from the
blockings ISPs startet to receive mails again!

Now I use the domain lists.rc-worms.de. If I enter that into the tool Mark
mentioned (mxtoolbox.com), everything is stated as fine, except for
"Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner".

Could you please try to explain this a bit for me?
I use Postfix as MTA...

Many thanks again,
Sascha.
Am 26.01.2016 3:45 vorm. schrieb "Robert Heller" <hel...@deepsoft.com>:

> At Tue, 26 Jan 2016 01:27:24 +0100 Sascha Rissel <mail...@rissel.it>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Mark and all others,
> >
> > many thanks for your help so far.
> > I am just starting to setup this subdomain, Mark advised me to.
> >
> > One thing regarding the Reverse DNS entry:
> > How can it be necessary, to set up this record? Just imagine a server,
> > where multiple domains are hosted, but the server only has one IP.
> > If the ISPs really require rDNS entries, which suit to the mail
> originating
> > domain, one would always need a 1:1 mapping of IP and domain, preventing
> > multiple domains on a one-IP server, isn't it?
>
> You just need one 'real' canonical domain name, like lists.rc-worms.de,
> and
> have a rDNS PTR to lists.rc-worms.de. It does not really matter if there
> is a
> foo-l...@foobar.com hosted there. What is being objected to is the
> name.hosting-provider.tld type of name, as well as things like a
> HELO
> that does not match, and such. It has the look-and-feel of a spammer
> sending
> anonymous E-Mails or E-Mails with forged / spoofed addresses (including
> spoofed HELO's). Also the list server's MTA should be using the
> lists.rc-worms.de name in the HELO. And you probably should also have
> a spf record as well. Everything should 'match': the A record, the rDNS PTR
> record, the HELO name used, the SPF record, etc. That makes everything look
> legit and everything fits together.
>
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Sascha.
> >
> > 2016-01-26 0:48 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:
> >
> > > On 01/25/2016 03:27 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> > > > Hi Mark!
> > > >
> > > >> In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly
> configured.
> > > >> I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it
> appears
> > > >> from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has
> an
> > > >> rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.
> > > >
> > > > this is all pretty correct.
> > > >
> > > > "euve51864.serverprofi24.de" is the natural name of the vServer, I
> am
> > > > running.
> > > > I don't have a real domain configured, since I mainly just use it for
> > > > mailman.
> > >
> > >
> > > As I indicated in a follow-up post web.de is apparently not allowing
> > > 'generic' domains any more.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I configured all Mailman lists to use something like @
> > > rc-worms.de,
> > > > where  is the www domain of my sports club, whose
> > > > administrator I am.
> > > > For better readability I named and configured all lists this way, to
> use
> > > <
> > > > memb...@rc-worms.de>, <te...@rc-worms.de> as exlicity reply-to
> address
> > > and
> > > > so on.
> > > >
> > > > This worked pretty well for years.
> > > > Did it now turn into a problem, that reply-to address and domain ()
> bear
> > > a
> > > > different IP/rDNS result?
> > >
> > >
> > > That is not the problem as far as I can tell. The problem is that the
> > > specific domain you are using for your mail server,
> > > euve51864.serverprofi24.de, is now seen as a 'generic' name and is not
> > > acceptable to web.de.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is there something you could suggest in this case?
> > > >
> > > > Should I maybe configure a subdomain on my vServer, like <
> > > lists.rc-worms.de>,
> > > > from which the mails will be send from and can bear own DNS config?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes. lists.rc-worms.de should be good. I would have suggested just
> > > rc-worms.de, but that already has an A record pointing to a different
> > > server.
> > >
> > > The issue you will run into is that while you ca

[Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-25 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I have some user on my lists, who complain they don't receive the list
mails anymore, since a few days.

Am am running Mailman 2.1.15 on Debian.
The error log is empty, the archive seems to correctly contain all recent
mails.
The people saying, they don't receive the mails are on GMail and German
Web.de hosts and they don't have bounces logged by Mailman.

Can you help me with this?
Are there any means, how I can analyse this issue?

Kind regards,
Sascha.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-25 Thread Sascha Rissel
Mark,

thanks for your answer.
I just checked the bounce log.

And I discovered a lot of entries like:

Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741)  processing 9 queued
bounces
Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741) :  already
scored a bounce for date 25-Jan-2016
Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741) :  already
scored a bounce for date 25-Jan-2016
Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741) :  already
scored a bounce for date 25-Jan-2016

where all mail addresses are from German Web.de and GMX. Both providers
belong to the same company.
Thinking about this, I remembered a bounce notification I received last
week, where some of these addresses were set to disabled by Mailman, with
the notification below.

Did GMX/Web.de maybe change their mail processing policies with the start
of the new year?
Below follows an excerpt from the bounce notification.

Kind regards,
Sascha.


Bounce Mail:

<some_u...@web.de>: host mx-ha02.web.de[212.227.17.8] refused to talk
to me: 554-web.de (mxweb107) Nemesis ESMTP Service not available 554-No
SMTP service 554-Bad DNS PTR resource record. 554 For explanation visit
http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns

Final-Recipient: rfc822; @gmx.de
Original-Recipient: rfc822;@gmx.de
Action: failed
Status: 4.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx00.emig.gmx.net
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554-gmx.net (mxgmx002) Nemesis ESMTP Service not
available 554-No SMTP service 554-Bad DNS PTR resource record. 554 For
explanation visit
http://postmaster.gmx.com/en/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns

Final-Recipient: rfc822; @web.de
Original-Recipient: rfc822;andreas_hac...@web.de
Action: failed
Status: 4.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx-ha02.web.de
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554-web.de (mxweb107) Nemesis ESMTP Service not
available 554-No SMTP service 554-Bad DNS PTR resource record. 554 For
explanation visit
http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns

2016-01-25 23:35 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:

> On 01/25/2016 01:59 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> >
> > I have some user on my lists, who complain they don't receive the list
> > mails anymore, since a few days.
> >
> > Am am running Mailman 2.1.15 on Debian.
> > The error log is empty, the archive seems to correctly contain all recent
> > mails.
> > The people saying, they don't receive the mails are on GMail and German
> > Web.de hosts and they don't have bounces logged by Mailman.
>
>
> If there is nothing in Mailman's error log or bounce log, it is almost
> certain the mail is being delivered by Mailman to the outgoing MTA and
> the outgoing MTA is successfully delivering the mail to the mail
> exchange server for the recipient domain.
>
> You can confirm this if you have access to the Mailman (and it's
> outgoing MTA) server's mail.log.
>
> If this is the case and the users have checked their gmail or web.de
> spam or junk folders and the messages aren't there, the messages are
> likely being silently discarded somewhere in the delivery chain after
> leaving the outgoing MTA.
>
> Solving this is difficult. Some steps are outlined in the FAQ article at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/4030690>.
>
> I sometimes will copy the specific MTA log messages indicating
> acceptance by the receiving MTA, e.g., messages like
>
> Jan 24 19:09:41 sbh16 postfix/smtp[1053]: 1279111E1A8F:
> to=<u...@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.28.26]:25,
> delay=5.8, delays=4.9/0.66/0.09/0.13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0
> OK 1453691381 tt2si3153213pac.167 - gsmtp)
>
> and tell the user to ask gmail what happened to that message. In that
> message, (250 2.0.0 OK 1453691381 tt2si3153213pac.167 - gsmtp) is the
> acceptance from gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com indicating the message was
> accepted at unix time stamp 1453691381 with the accepting server's ID
> tt2si3153213pac.167. I suspect gmail actually ignores such requests from
> their users or provides only a generic response. People who actually pay
> for their email service may have a bit more leverage.
>
> Anyway, apart from the things in the FAQ article, there's not a whole
> lot you can do. If you can possibly identify something about the missing
> mail that triggers it, e.g., only mail From: a certain user or domain,
> or something in a specific thread (copied in everyone's reply), you can
> try to avoid that, but if it's all list mail To: particular domains
> (gmail), I think it's more likely to be a block on mail from your
> server's IP, but in the US at least, gmail ordinarily bounces such mail
> with a fairly specific reason.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-25 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hi Mark!

> In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly configured.
> I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it appears
> from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has an
> rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.

this is all pretty correct.

"euve51864.serverprofi24.de" is the natural name of the vServer, I am
running.
I don't have a real domain configured, since I mainly just use it for
mailman.
I configured all Mailman lists to use something like @rc-worms.de,
where  is the www domain of my sports club, whose
administrator I am.
For better readability I named and configured all lists this way, to use <
memb...@rc-worms.de>, <te...@rc-worms.de> as exlicity reply-to address and
so on.

This worked pretty well for years.
Did it now turn into a problem, that reply-to address and domain () bear a
different IP/rDNS result?
Is there something you could suggest in this case?

Should I maybe configure a subdomain on my vServer, like ,
from which the mails will be send from and can bear own DNS config?

Kind regards,
Sascha.




2016-01-26 0:11 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:

> On 01/25/2016 02:48 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> >
> > thanks for your answer.
> > I just checked the bounce log.
> >
> > And I discovered a lot of entries like:
> >
> > Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741)  processing 9
> queued
> > bounces
> > Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741) :  already
> > scored a bounce for date 25-Jan-2016
> ...
> > where all mail addresses are from German Web.de and GMX. Both providers
> > belong to the same company.
> > Thinking about this, I remembered a bounce notification I received last
> > week, where some of these addresses were set to disabled by Mailman, with
> > the notification below.
> >
> > Did GMX/Web.de maybe change their mail processing policies with the start
> > of the new year?
>
>
> Possibly. See below.
>
>
> > Below follows an excerpt from the bounce notification.
> >
> > Bounce Mail:
> >
> > <some_u...@web.de>: host mx-ha02.web.de[212.227.17.8] refused to talk
> > to me: 554-web.de (mxweb107) Nemesis ESMTP Service not available
> 554-No
> > SMTP service 554-Bad DNS PTR resource record. 554 For explanation
> visit
> > http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns
>
>
> OK. The recipient's mail exchange server is refusing your mail. web.de's
> explanation of this is at
> <http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns#nordns>.
>
> In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly configured.
> I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it appears
> from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has an
> rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.
>
> In any case you need to ensure the IP address your server sends from has
> a rDNS (PTR) record pointing to its host name and that host name in turn
> needs an A record with the same IP address. Also, it should identify
> itself with this same name in the SMTP HELO or EHLO command.
>
> According to the tool at
> <
> http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=smtp%3a62.75.175.182=toolpage
> >,
> this is all OK, so I don't know why web.de is complaining. I suggest you
> use the form at
> <http://postmaster.web.de/en/contact/?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns> to ask
> them.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-25 Thread Sascha Rissel
Dear Mark and all others,

many thanks for your help so far.
I am just starting to setup this subdomain, Mark advised me to.

One thing regarding the Reverse DNS entry:
How can it be necessary, to set up this record? Just imagine a server,
where multiple domains are hosted, but the server only has one IP.
If the ISPs really require rDNS entries, which suit to the mail originating
domain, one would always need a 1:1 mapping of IP and domain, preventing
multiple domains on a one-IP server, isn't it?

Kind regards,
Sascha.

2016-01-26 0:48 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:

> On 01/25/2016 03:27 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
> > Hi Mark!
> >
> >> In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly configured.
> >> I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it appears
> >> from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has an
> >> rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.
> >
> > this is all pretty correct.
> >
> > "euve51864.serverprofi24.de" is the natural name of the vServer, I am
> > running.
> > I don't have a real domain configured, since I mainly just use it for
> > mailman.
>
>
> As I indicated in a follow-up post web.de is apparently not allowing
> 'generic' domains any more.
>
>
> > I configured all Mailman lists to use something like @
> rc-worms.de,
> > where  is the www domain of my sports club, whose
> > administrator I am.
> > For better readability I named and configured all lists this way, to use
> <
> > memb...@rc-worms.de>, <te...@rc-worms.de> as exlicity reply-to address
> and
> > so on.
> >
> > This worked pretty well for years.
> > Did it now turn into a problem, that reply-to address and domain () bear
> a
> > different IP/rDNS result?
>
>
> That is not the problem as far as I can tell. The problem is that the
> specific domain you are using for your mail server,
> euve51864.serverprofi24.de, is now seen as a 'generic' name and is not
> acceptable to web.de.
>
>
> > Is there something you could suggest in this case?
> >
> > Should I maybe configure a subdomain on my vServer, like <
> lists.rc-worms.de>,
> > from which the mails will be send from and can bear own DNS config?
>
>
> Yes. lists.rc-worms.de should be good. I would have suggested just
> rc-worms.de, but that already has an A record pointing to a different
> server.
>
> The issue you will run into is that while you can configure the MTA to
> identify itself as lists.rc-worms.de and you can create the A record for
> it, you don't control the rDNS PTR record for 62.75.175.182. That's
> controlled by intergenia.de. It may be no problem to get them to change
> it, but it could be a stumbling block. You'll find out when you ask.
>
> With respect to the underlying issue here, ISPs are getting more and
> more fussy about only accepting mail from what they consider to be real
> mail servers. Trying to run a mail server with a dynamic IP or an IP
> with a 'generic' host name is just not possible if you want reliable
> acceptance of your mail.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users complain, they don't receive mails from the list

2016-01-25 Thread Sascha Rissel
EDIT:
For better clarification, the www domain  is hosted on a
different (dedicated) web server. Mailman is running on a vServer of its
own, it just uses  as a nice readable domain for mail
addresses, configured on the web server to forward each mail to the real
physical (and not so nicely readable) address _
<any_mailing_l...@euve51864.serverprofi24.de>mailing
<any_mailing_l...@euve51864.serverprofi24.de>
_l...@euve51864.serverprofi24.de
<any_mailing_l...@euve51864.serverprofi24.de>>.
Am 26.01.2016 12:27 vorm. schrieb "Sascha Rissel" <mail...@rissel.it>:

> Hi Mark!
>
> > In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly configured.
> > I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it appears
> > from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has an
> > rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.
>
> this is all pretty correct.
>
> "euve51864.serverprofi24.de" is the natural name of the vServer, I am
> running.
> I don't have a real domain configured, since I mainly just use it for
> mailman.
> I configured all Mailman lists to use something like @
> rc-worms.de, where  is the www domain of my sports club,
> whose administrator I am.
> For better readability I named and configured all lists this way, to use <
> memb...@rc-worms.de>, <te...@rc-worms.de> as exlicity reply-to address
> and so on.
>
> This worked pretty well for years.
> Did it now turn into a problem, that reply-to address and domain () bear a
> different IP/rDNS result?
> Is there something you could suggest in this case?
>
> Should I maybe configure a subdomain on my vServer, like <
> lists.rc-worms.de>, from which the mails will be send from and can bear
> own DNS config?
>
> Kind regards,
> Sascha.
>
>
>
>
> 2016-01-26 0:11 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>:
>
>> On 01/25/2016 02:48 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
>> >
>> > thanks for your answer.
>> > I just checked the bounce log.
>> >
>> > And I discovered a lot of entries like:
>> >
>> > Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741)  processing 9
>> queued
>> > bounces
>> > Jan 25 18:33:24 2016 (2741) :  already
>> > scored a bounce for date 25-Jan-2016
>> ...
>> > where all mail addresses are from German Web.de and GMX. Both providers
>> > belong to the same company.
>> > Thinking about this, I remembered a bounce notification I received last
>> > week, where some of these addresses were set to disabled by Mailman,
>> with
>> > the notification below.
>> >
>> > Did GMX/Web.de maybe change their mail processing policies with the
>> start
>> > of the new year?
>>
>>
>> Possibly. See below.
>>
>>
>> > Below follows an excerpt from the bounce notification.
>> >
>> > Bounce Mail:
>> >
>> > <some_u...@web.de>: host mx-ha02.web.de[212.227.17.8] refused to talk
>> > to me: 554-web.de (mxweb107) Nemesis ESMTP Service not available
>> 554-No
>> > SMTP service 554-Bad DNS PTR resource record. 554 For explanation
>> visit
>> > http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns
>>
>>
>> OK. The recipient's mail exchange server is refusing your mail. web.de's
>> explanation of this is at
>> <http://postmaster.web.de/error-messages?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns#nordns>.
>>
>> In simple terms, it claims your mail server is not properly configured.
>> I don't know what your Mailman server's domain name is, but it appears
>> from the error message that its IP is 62.75.175.182 and that IP has an
>> rDNS PTR record to euve51864.serverprofi24.de.
>>
>> In any case you need to ensure the IP address your server sends from has
>> a rDNS (PTR) record pointing to its host name and that host name in turn
>> needs an A record with the same IP address. Also, it should identify
>> itself with this same name in the SMTP HELO or EHLO command.
>>
>> According to the tool at
>> <
>> http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=smtp%3a62.75.175.182=toolpage
>> >,
>> this is all OK, so I don't know why web.de is complaining. I suggest you
>> use the form at
>> <http://postmaster.web.de/en/contact/?ip=62.75.175.182=rdns> to ask
>> them.
>>
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[Mailman-Users] Requesting Mailman admin pages with different server domains

2014-10-02 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I am running several Mailman lists on a vServer, where the admin pages are
called via
http://lists.vServerID.vserverhost.de/mailman/admin/listname
All is running fine, with this domain configuration.

The server is maintained by Plesk 12.
Now I configured a nice own domain, like: mydomain.de
And I setup an Apache Virtual Host with (among other settings):
ServerName lists
ServerAlias lists.*
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
which allows to call the lists admin pages via
http://lists.mydomain.de/mailman/admin/listname.

At first instance, this works.
But once I click on any link within Mailman's admin interface, the pages
are requested via the previous (not so nice) URL
http://*lists.vServerID.vserverhost*.de/cgi-bin/mailman/...

How can I avoid generating these kinds of URLs? This also means,
authentication cookies are not valid, since the domain changes.
I'd like to keep the URL's domain structure I initially called the admin
interface with, i.e.
http://lists.mydomain.de/...

It's like Mailman is creating absolute URLs, instead of just relative ones!?

In advance, thanks for your help!
Sascha.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied Error after List Migration

2014-08-14 Thread Sascha Rissel
Mark,

many thanks for your detailed explanation!
After Stephen's hint to use check_perms, I performed the migration on a
second list, and it went through fine. :-)

Kind regards,
Sascha.


2014-08-09 2:56 GMT+02:00 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net:

 On 08/06/2014 01:39 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote:
  Thanks, in fact I didn't think of that!
 
  Meanwhile I created the list on the target server anew, using newlist
  command.
  Afterwards I exported members and config from the old server and imported
  it into the new server's list:
  list_members -o regular.lst -r list name
  list_members -o digest.lst -d list name
  config_list -o config.cfg list name
 
  add_members -r regular.lst list name
  add_members -d digest.lst list name
  config_list -i config.cfg list name


 This works, but you lose any non-default member options and member
 passwords. It is easier and more complete to just move the
 lists/list_name/config.pck from the old server to the new.


  Lastly I imported the archive via
  /var/lib/mailman/bin/arch list name


 This is good.


  Am I right, that this is also a proper way to migrate a list?


 It works subject to the losses mentioned above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied Error after List Migration

2014-08-07 Thread Sascha Rissel
Many thanks, Stephen!


2014-08-07 8:43 GMT+02:00 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org:

 Sascha Rissel writes:

   Thanks, in fact I didn't think of that!
  
   Meanwhile I created the list on the target server anew, using newlist
   command.
   Afterwards I exported members and config from the old server and
 imported
   it into the new server's list:
list_members -o regular.lst -r list name
list_members -o digest.lst -d list name
config_list -o config.cfg list name
  
add_members -r regular.lst list name
add_members -d digest.lst list name
config_list -i config.cfg list name
  
   Lastly I imported the archive via
/var/lib/mailman/bin/arch list name

 I believe this works correctly (I assume that when importing the
 archive you copied the mbox file to the right place).

 If everything seems to be working without permissions problems then
 you should be OK.

 This is really not something I'm terribly expert in.  However, Mark
 Sapiro is on vacation so I did my best.  I think he'll be back in a
 week or two and you can get more help from him (or perhaps others on
 this list) if something still doesn't seem right.

 Regards,


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[Mailman-Users] Permission Denied Error after List Migration

2014-08-06 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I just tried migrating a list from an old to a new server.
Basically I copied /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname and copied the private
archive as well.
Afterwards I
- regenerated the archives using /var/lib/mailman/bin/arch [listname] and
- fixed the urls with withlist -l -r fix_url [listname]

When trying to login into the admin panel, I get Bug in Mailman version
2.1.15 and in the logs there are the log entries found below:
(N.B: All file permissions are set according to my previous server's, but I
also tried: chown -R list.list /var/lib/mailman/lists/

Can you help me?

Regards,
Sascha.

 Aug 05 19:53:33 2014 (21848) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state.
 [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/rcworms-ah/config.pck.tmp.euve51864.serverprofi24.de.21848'
 Aug 05 19:53:33 2014 admin(21848):

 admin(21848): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.15 -]
 admin(21848): [- Traceback --]
 admin(21848): Traceback (most recent call last):
 admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 112, in
run_main
 admin(21848): main()
 admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 227,
in main
 admin(21848): mlist.Save()
 admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 573, in
Save
 admin(21848): self.__save(dict)
 admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 528, in
__save
 admin(21848): fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
 admin(21848): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/rcworms-ah/config.pck.tmp.euve51864.serverprofi24.de.21848'
 admin(21848): [- Python Information -]
 admin(21848): sys.version =   2.7.3 (default, Mar 13 2014, 11:03:55)
 [GCC 4.7.2]
 admin(21848): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
 admin(21848): sys.prefix  =   /usr
 admin(21848): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
 admin(21848): sys.path=   ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib',
'/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-linux2',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages']
 admin(21848): sys.platform=   linux2
 admin(21848): [- Environment Variables -]
 admin(21848): HTTP_COOKIE:
 admin(21848): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache
 admin(21848): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
 admin(21848): SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache Server at
lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de Port 80/address
 admin(21848):
 admin(21848): REQUEST_METHOD: GET
 admin(21848): PATH_INFO: /rcworms-ah
 admin(21848): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
 admin(21848): QUERY_STRING: adminpw=AH_MAILAdmin
 admin(21848): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64;
rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
 admin(21848): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
 admin(21848): SERVER_NAME: lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de
 admin(21848): REMOTE_ADDR: 95.88.111.84
 admin(21848): PATH_TRANSLATED:
/var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/rcworms-ah
 admin(21848): SERVER_PORT: 80
 admin(21848): SERVER_ADDR: 62.75.175.182
 admin(21848): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs
 admin(21848): PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
 admin(21848): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
 admin(21848): SERVER_ADMIN: webmas...@rc-worms.de
 admin(21848): HTTP_DNT: 1
 admin(21848): HTTP_HOST: lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de
 admin(21848): REQUEST_URI:
/mailman/admin/rcworms-ah?adminpw=AH_MAILAdmin
 admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
 admin(21848): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
 admin(21848): REMOTE_PORT: 50425
 admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE:
de-de,de;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3
 admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied Error after List Migration

2014-08-06 Thread Sascha Rissel
Thanks, in fact I didn't think of that!

Meanwhile I created the list on the target server anew, using newlist
command.
Afterwards I exported members and config from the old server and imported
it into the new server's list:
 list_members -o regular.lst -r list name
 list_members -o digest.lst -d list name
 config_list -o config.cfg list name

 add_members -r regular.lst list name
 add_members -d digest.lst list name
 config_list -i config.cfg list name

Lastly I imported the archive via
 /var/lib/mailman/bin/arch list name

Am I right, that this is also a proper way to migrate a list?


2014-08-06 8:38 GMT+02:00 Stephen J. Turnbull turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp:

 Sascha Rissel writes:

   (N.B: All file permissions are set according to my previous server's,
 but I
   also tried: chown -R list.list /var/lib/mailman/lists/

 Try running the bin/check_perms script (or maybe it's checkperms).
 The wrapper scripts may have a different idea from you about file
 owners etc.
  
   Can you help me?
  
   Regards,
   Sascha.
  
Aug 05 19:53:33 2014 (21848) Failed config.pck write, retaining old
 state.
[Errno 13] Permission denied:
  
 '/var/lib/mailman/lists/rcworms-ah/config.pck.tmp.euve51864.serverprofi24.de.21848'
Aug 05 19:53:33 2014 admin(21848):
   
admin(21848): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.15 -]
admin(21848): [- Traceback --]
admin(21848): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 112, in
   run_main
admin(21848): main()
admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line
 227,
   in main
admin(21848): mlist.Save()
admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line
 573, in
   Save
admin(21848): self.__save(dict)
admin(21848):   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line
 528, in
   __save
admin(21848): fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
admin(21848): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
  
 '/var/lib/mailman/lists/rcworms-ah/config.pck.tmp.euve51864.serverprofi24.de.21848'
admin(21848): [- Python Information -]
admin(21848): sys.version =   2.7.3 (default, Mar 13 2014,
 11:03:55)
[GCC 4.7.2]
admin(21848): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(21848): sys.prefix  =   /usr
admin(21848): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(21848): sys.path=   ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib',
   '/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman',
   '/usr/lib/python2.7/', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-linux2',
   '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old',
   '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages']
admin(21848): sys.platform=   linux2
admin(21848): [- Environment Variables -]
admin(21848): HTTP_COOKIE:
admin(21848): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache
admin(21848): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(21848): SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache Server at
   lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de Port 80/address
admin(21848):
admin(21848): REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(21848): PATH_INFO: /rcworms-ah
admin(21848): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(21848): QUERY_STRING: adminpw=AH_MAILAdmin
admin(21848): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64;
   rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
admin(21848): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(21848): SERVER_NAME: lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de
admin(21848): REMOTE_ADDR: 95.88.111.84
admin(21848): PATH_TRANSLATED:
   /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/rcworms-ah
admin(21848): SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(21848): SERVER_ADDR: 62.75.175.182
admin(21848): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs
admin(21848): PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
admin(21848): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
admin(21848): SERVER_ADMIN: webmas...@rc-worms.de
admin(21848): HTTP_DNT: 1
admin(21848): HTTP_HOST: lists.euve51864.serverprofi24.de
admin(21848): REQUEST_URI:
   /mailman/admin/rcworms-ah?adminpw=AH_MAILAdmin
admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT:
   text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
admin(21848): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(21848): REMOTE_PORT: 50425
admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE:
   de-de,de;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3
admin(21848): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
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[Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello there,

I am running a vServer on Debian6.
Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which
is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server.

Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I
wondered whether I can upgrade my Mailman installation to a newer version.

I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but I did not receive a
newer version of Mailman.

Unfortunately I don't consider myself as good enough in Linux usage, to be
able to build Mailman binaries from scratch on my own. Indeed I tried, but
already upon executing configure (Step 3 in Mailman's installation
guidehttp://list.org/mailman-install/node7.html)
I got a python warning
 Distutils is not available or is incomplete
which seems to tell me I should install another Python environment.

So I came to the point when I decided that compiling Mailman on my own is
too complicated for me, because in the end I definitely want a bug-free
installation of Mailman.

Is there maybe an easier way to get a more recent version of Mailman for my
server?

In advance, thanks for your help!
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[Mailman-Users] Question on Upgrading

2013-11-01 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello there,

recently I rented my first own vServer to have my own Mailman running.
The server runs Debian and Plesk panel.
Plesk offered an easy installation of mailman 2.1.13. After some further
manual configuration, the system is running fine. :-)

Now I'd like to upgrade to latest Mailman 2.1.16.

Is there any help reliable help on how to build and install the upgrade?
I found: http://www.linux-sxs.org/internet_serving/mailman.html, but I am
not sure, where this suits my needs...

Do you have any hints for me?

Thanks in advance,
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation: Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

2013-10-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I am just working on my first own Mailman installation on debia 6.0.
I came to the point where I ran the command newlist mailman. I entered my
own address as list owner.
After that, the message Hit enter to notify mailman owner was shown, but
unfortunately there is no email that I received notifying me of list
creation.

Is there maybe some problem with my setup?

(Postfix should be working...)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation: Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

2013-10-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Oh, I just solved my problem.
I forgot to start mailman.

Sorry!


2013/10/20 Sascha Rissel sas...@rissel.it

 Hello,

 I am just working on my first own Mailman installation on debia 6.0.
 I came to the point where I ran the command newlist mailman. I entered
 my own address as list owner.
 After that, the message Hit enter to notify mailman owner was shown, but
 unfortunately there is no email that I received notifying me of list
 creation.

 Is there maybe some problem with my setup?

 (Postfix should be working...)

 Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman web interface on Debian/Apache

2013-10-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I just setup mailman on Debian and created the first list mailman.
I receive a new mailing list email, with the link:

http://mysite/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman

Unfortunately when opening this URL I get:
404: The requested URL /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman was not found on
this server.

I used the following tutorial:
http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze

/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ seems to contain the proper contents, whereas
/var/www/lists is empty.

Can anyone help me?

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[Mailman-Users] Accepting and Rejecting Mails

2012-04-01 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

I am just doing some tests with a newly created list.

I am a GoogleMail user, I configured GoogleMail to be authorized to use
each of my distinct email addresses as sender address (to be able to send
from my bussiness address from home and vice versa)
I experienced the following behaviour:
My GMail address is the list administrator's address.

If I send from GoogleMail, regardless of the sender's address chosen
(different domain names to choose from), each mail is accepted for the list
and not put on the waiting list for moderator approval.
Could this be due to the fact that GoogleMail is somehow present in the
mail's header as the originating mailer?

I use Mailman 2.1.13.

Thanks for your help...

Sascha,
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[Mailman-Users] Regular expression for Spam Filter wanted

2012-03-31 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello all,

I am running mailman on Debian/Plesk with a Spam-Filter which prefixes
headers of spam mails with ***SPAM***.
I  tried to filter these mails in mailman using spam filter rule
^Subject:\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*,
but that doesn't work.

Could you please help me?

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Android App for moderating (eventually...)

2012-03-12 Thread Sascha Rissel
Thanks for the answers.

Unfortunately I'll have to target Mailman 2, since my own lists are on
it

2012/3/12 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Sascha Rissel sas...@rissel.it wrote:


 One general question, to Manuel and those who might be familiar:
 I suppose there is no API like a web service or something available an APP
 could use?


 Not in Mailman 2, but there's a RESTful API in Mailman 3.

 So parsing the mail moderating page should be the approach, right?


 Well, you could always refuse to target Mailman 2, which would encourage a
 LOT of people to migrate
  to Mailman 3!!  ;-)

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[Mailman-Users] Adding archive link to mail footer?

2012-03-05 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

is there a nice way of adding a link to the list's archive to msg_footer?
Like it is done with the link to the list info page
 %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Enabling Mailinglist Archive

2012-01-23 Thread Sascha Rissel
I just searched a bit through this lists archive.
I found this post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg47862.html

I just did a ps ax and saw quite few qrunner processes, but no
archrunner process.
Could this be the reason?

How do I start the archrunner process?

Thanks,
Sascha.

2012/1/23 Sascha Rissel sas...@rissel.it

 Hello there,

 I have just moved my mailing lists to a new (now an own) server.
 On the old server, I had the archive running, archie_private  set to
 private and archive_volume_frequency to daily.

 Unfortunately, the archive remains empty. When I open the archive, I just
 get the messages:
  No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are
 currently empty.

 What do I have to undertake to get the archive running?

 Thanks in advance,
 Sascha.

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[Mailman-Users] Enabling Mailinglist Archive

2012-01-22 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello there,

I have just moved my mailing lists to a new (now an own) server.
On the old server, I had the archive running, archie_private  set to
private and archive_volume_frequency to daily.

Unfortunately, the archive remains empty. When I open the archive, I just
get the messages:
 No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are
currently empty.

What do I have to undertake to get the archive running?

Thanks in advance,
Sascha.
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[Mailman-Users] E-Mail Interface Documentation

2012-01-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello there,

is there a documentation of the email interface available somewhere?
I found: http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html
but that page seems to be offline.

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[Mailman-Users] Login as Mailman admin via URL parameters?

2012-01-11 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello all,

just one thing that came to my mind:
Since I administrate several mailing lists, it is always a bit complicated
to retrieve the appropriate password from a password tool and then being
able to log into the site.
I know some Internet epplications, where administrators can log in using
request parameters, such as http://myurl?user=userpassword=password
Is this possible with mailman?
It would save me quite some overhead, since often I just want to moderate a
single email, which means log in procedure takes longer than the moderation
process itself.

Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Spam Filter settings

2012-01-08 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello,

during the last days I receive a lot of spam mails like Yulenka wants to
be your friend in subject.
Now my knowledge about regular expressions has grown a little old...
Can someone please give me some help on how I should configure my mailmail
spam filter to filter out mails with a subject like ... wants to be your
friend?

Thanks a lot!
Sascha.
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