Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 8:17 AM +0200 3/26/07, Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL wrote:
>
>>  But I guess I'll find another way to automatically generate the needed
>>  aliases for the mailinglists we create.
>
>That should be done for you automatically.  Just define the 
>additional alias file within your sendmail.cf, and let Mailman 
>generate that for you.  Sendmail actually has better automatic 
>generation tools than postfix, so for postfix we end up re-using the 
>same trick from sendmail.


There are some gotcha's with Sendmail (at least according to the FAQ).
See

and the archived post to which it points.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:17 AM +0200 3/26/07, Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL wrote:

>  But I guess I'll find another way to automatically generate the needed
>  aliases for the mailinglists we create.

That should be done for you automatically.  Just define the 
additional alias file within your sendmail.cf, and let Mailman 
generate that for you.  Sendmail actually has better automatic 
generation tools than postfix, so for postfix we end up re-using the 
same trick from sendmail.

Re-check the Mailman documentation for integration with sendmail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL]

Hi Hank,

Thanks for your anwser.

I got mailman working now without the use of mm-handler and the use of
aliases.

The whole idea about using the mm-handler (at least I think it is) is
that you by-pass the normal sendmail aliases, so that you don't have to
create new ones for every new list.

The mm-handler process picks up everything and redirects it to mailman
without having to create every mailinglist address separate as a alias
for sendmail.

But I guess I'll find another way to automatically generate the needed
aliases for the mailinglists we create. 

With Kind Regards,

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Springer
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Floor Manager / Postmaster
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:31 PM
To: Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

The esteemed Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL has said:
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:22 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> Using:
>  
> Red Hat Linux release 9
> Mailman 2.1.9
> Sendmail 8.12.8
>  
> First of all i'm a total sendmail noob so please be nice :-D I've been

> scrolling through FAQ's mailinglists etc all day and found many people

> have this problem but didn't find a really good solution for this.. 
> Most problems seem to be related to people forgetting to setup 
> aliases, but in this case i'm using mm-handler which as far as i 
> understand overrides the use of aliases and only needs some address in

> the virtusertable. (if address doesn't exist in virtusertable then 
> goto mm-handler and get specific mailinglist address)
>  
If you are new to sendmail, I would strongly suggest not attempting to
use the mm-handler setup for initial setup and test.  There is a
four-step procedure for doing an initial sendmail configuration and
checkout in the archives at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg43689.html

The main.mc statements in that document are correct for Sendmail 8.12
and Sendmail 8.13

This setup presumes that you are installing Mailman on the
incoming/outgoing mail host.  

> I got everything up and running, made the test list, received the 
> mails from the test list, was able to subscribe people to it using the

> webinterface, the newly subscribed people also received the mails.
>  
> Problem is when trying to send a mail to the new mailinglist.
>  
> 550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown

This is a fairly clear indication that you do need to install a set of
alias pipes to Mailman.  On a sendmail installation, you do this
manually.  bin/genaliases will produced the needed aliases in the proper
form for sendmail.  You need a full set of aliases for each list you
create.  

It's important to understand that the Mailman aliases are pipes to
Mailman scripts.  What you are doing is telling the sendmail daemon for
incoming mail to bypass normal sendmail spool handling and, instead, to
pipe the data to the Mailman qrunners.  
>  
I'll snip and skip over your configuration data for mm-handler as I
don't run that configuration on my sites.  I do not know if anyone
reading this mail list is using that configuration.  

For a basic Sendmail-Mailman integration you do not need to enable and
configure the mailertable and virtusertable features to support Mailman
if you are not using them to support your site Sendmail configuration
for regular user accounts.  
>  
> My main concern is the sendmail.cf, i first edited the os delivered 
> sendmail.mc file did some cut pasting from the mailman.mc file then 
> generated the sendmail.cf file using the proper m4 method. Maybe 
> someone can give me a basic sendmail.cf which can be easily used for 
> the basic mail & mailman functionality cause the mailman.mc file which

> comes with the package can't be used cause that one gives lots of
errors.
>  
> Thanks for the help!
>  
I'll assume that by "mailman.mc" you mean "main.mc".  You can start with
the sendmail distribution main.mc file.  The only feature that Mailman
requires that is not enabled by default is smrsh.  
FEATURE(smrsh, /usr/lib/smrsh)dnl

Make sure that is the location of the smrsh executable on your system.
Also make sure that the link in sm.bin points to the correct file.  

I can't vouch for the correct

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[vancleef]

The esteemed Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL has said:
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:22 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> Using:
>  
> Red Hat Linux release 9
> Mailman 2.1.9
> Sendmail 8.12.8
>  
> First of all i'm a total sendmail noob so please be nice :-D I've been
> scrolling through FAQ's mailinglists etc all day and found many people
> have this problem but didn't find a really good solution for this.. Most
> problems seem to be related to people forgetting to setup aliases, but
> in this case i'm using mm-handler which as far as i understand overrides
> the use of aliases and only needs some address in the virtusertable. (if
> address doesn't exist in virtusertable then goto mm-handler and get
> specific mailinglist address)
>  
If you are new to sendmail, I would strongly suggest not attempting to
use the mm-handler setup for initial setup and test.  There is a
four-step procedure for doing an initial sendmail configuration and 
checkout in the archives at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg43689.html

The main.mc statements in that document are correct for Sendmail 8.12
and Sendmail 8.13

This setup presumes that you are installing Mailman on the
incoming/outgoing mail host.  

> I got everything up and running, made the test list, received the mails
> from the test list, was able to subscribe people to it using the
> webinterface, the newly subscribed people also received the mails.
>  
> Problem is when trying to send a mail to the new mailinglist.
>  
> 550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown

This is a fairly clear indication that you do need to install a set of
alias pipes to Mailman.  On a sendmail installation, you do this
manually.  bin/genaliases will produced the needed aliases in the
proper form for sendmail.  You need a full set of aliases for each
list you create.  

It's important to understand that the Mailman aliases are pipes to 
Mailman scripts.  What you are doing is telling the sendmail daemon
for incoming mail to bypass normal sendmail spool handling and,
instead, to pipe the data to the Mailman qrunners.  
>  
I'll snip and skip over your configuration data for mm-handler as I
don't run that configuration on my sites.  I do not know if anyone
reading this mail list is using that configuration.  

For a basic Sendmail-Mailman integration you do not need to 
enable and configure the mailertable and virtusertable features to
support Mailman if you are not using them to support your site
Sendmail configuration for regular user accounts.  
>  
> My main concern is the sendmail.cf, i first edited the os delivered
> sendmail.mc file did some cut pasting from the mailman.mc file then
> generated the sendmail.cf file using the proper m4 method. Maybe someone
> can give me a basic sendmail.cf which can be easily used for the basic
> mail & mailman functionality cause the mailman.mc file which comes with
> the package can't be used cause that one gives lots of errors. 
>  
> Thanks for the help!
>  
I'll assume that by "mailman.mc" you mean "main.mc".  You can start
with the sendmail distribution main.mc file.  The only feature that
Mailman requires that is not enabled by default is smrsh.  
FEATURE(smrsh, /usr/lib/smrsh)dnl

Make sure that is the location of the smrsh executable on your system.
Also make sure that the link in sm.bin points to the correct file.  

I can't vouch for the correctness of the main.mc statements included
in the Mailman distribution contrib directory.  If you get M4 assembly
errors when making the cf files from the mc/m4 files, then you need to
review the statements you are using against the Sendmail information 
in the O'Reilly Sendmail "bat book" and the Sendmail FAQ.  

Most of the statements you will add to the distribution main.mc file
are site-specific.  If you are new to Sendmail, and doing an initial
installation, I'll suggest that you back down to the default Sendmail
configuration, do what is necessary to get it to work with local user
accounts using a simple MUA to test it, then use the 4-step procedure
to integrate Mailman and Sendmail.  

Hank
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL wrote:

>No reply on this question yet..
>
>Is there no'one out there who can give me some pointers???


contrib/README

This directory contains unofficial contributed scripts and extensions
to Mailman.  They are unsupported by the Mailman developers.  If you
have questions or problems with them, please contact the contribution
author directly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL]

No reply on this question yet..

Is there no'one out there who can give me some pointers???

Thanks! 


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Marco van Kammen
Springer
Unix / Exchange System Manager 
Floor Manager / Postmaster
-   
Van Godewijckstraat 30 | 3311 GX
Office Number: 05E21 
P.O. Box 17 | 3300 AA
Dordrecht | The Netherlands 
tel  +31 (0) 78 657 6446
fax  +31 (0) 78 657 6302
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.springer.com 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:22 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

Dear All,
 
Using:
 
Red Hat Linux release 9
Mailman 2.1.9
Sendmail 8.12.8
 
First of all i'm a total sendmail noob so please be nice :-D I've been
scrolling through FAQ's mailinglists etc all day and found many people
have this problem but didn't find a really good solution for this.. Most
problems seem to be related to people forgetting to setup aliases, but
in this case i'm using mm-handler which as far as i understand overrides
the use of aliases and only needs some address in the virtusertable. (if
address doesn't exist in virtusertable then goto mm-handler and get
specific mailinglist address)
 
I got everything up and running, made the test list, received the mails
from the test list, was able to subscribe people to it using the
webinterface, the newly subscribed people also received the mails.
 
Problem is when trying to send a mail to the new mailinglist.
 
550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown
 
I followed all the instructions according to the README.mm-handler file.
 
My handler file looks like this:
 
/etc/mail/mm-handler
 
-rwxr-xr--1 mailman  mailman  5951 Mar 20 13:39 mm-handler
 
The link to mailman:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]# cd /etc/smrsh/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] smrsh]# ll
total 5
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 1024 Mar 20 10:22 .
drwxr-xr-x   50 root root 4096 Mar 20 15:21 ..
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   31 Mar 20 10:22 mailman ->
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
 
The appropriate parts of the sendmail.cf (at least i think these are
only the appropriate ones concerning this problem)
 
# Mailer table (overriding domains)
Kmailertable hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db
 
# Virtual user table (maps incoming users) Kvirtuser hash -o
/etc/mail/virtusertable.db
 
Mmailman,   P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
A=mm-handler $h $u
 
Mailertable looks like this:
 
senldogo0013.springer-sbm.com   mailman:senldogo0013.springer-sbm.com
 
And the Virtusertable like this:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
When sending a test message to either of the above mentioned addresses
works which indicates that the virtusertable file is active and working.
When trying to send a test message to a invalid or valid mailinglist
address i get the user unknown message back from sendmail and not the
error message i'm expecting from the mm-handler which indicates to me
that sendmail isn't properly seeing the mm-handler.
 
My main concern is the sendmail.cf, i first edited the os delivered
sendmail.mc file did some cut pasting from the mailman.mc file then
generated the sendmail.cf file using the proper m4 method. Maybe someone
can give me a basic sendmail.cf which can be easily used for the basic
mail & mailman functionality cause the mailman.mc file which comes with
the package can't be used cause that one gives lots of errors. 
 
Thanks for the help!
 
 
-   
Marco van Kammen
Springer
Unix / Exchange System Manager
Floor Manager / Postmaster
-   
Van Godewijckstraat 30 | 3311 GX
Office Number: 05E21
P.O. Box 17 | 3300 AA
Dordrecht | The Netherlands 
tel  +31 (0) 78 657 6446
fax  +31 (0) 78 657 6302
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Mailman-Users] Mm-handler user unknown problem

[Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL]

Dear All,
 
Using:
 
Red Hat Linux release 9
Mailman 2.1.9
Sendmail 8.12.8
 
First of all i'm a total sendmail noob so please be nice :-D I've been
scrolling through FAQ's mailinglists etc all day and found many people
have this problem but didn't find a really good solution for this.. Most
problems seem to be related to people forgetting to setup aliases, but
in this case i'm using mm-handler which as far as i understand overrides
the use of aliases and only needs some address in the virtusertable. (if
address doesn't exist in virtusertable then goto mm-handler and get
specific mailinglist address)
 
I got everything up and running, made the test list, received the mails
from the test list, was able to subscribe people to it using the
webinterface, the newly subscribed people also received the mails.
 
Problem is when trying to send a mail to the new mailinglist.
 
550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown
 
I followed all the instructions according to the README.mm-handler file.
 
My handler file looks like this:
 
/etc/mail/mm-handler
 
-rwxr-xr--1 mailman  mailman  5951 Mar 20 13:39 mm-handler
 
The link to mailman:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]# cd /etc/smrsh/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] smrsh]# ll
total 5
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 1024 Mar 20 10:22 .
drwxr-xr-x   50 root root 4096 Mar 20 15:21 ..
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   31 Mar 20 10:22 mailman ->
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
 
The appropriate parts of the sendmail.cf (at least i think these are
only the appropriate ones concerning this problem)
 
# Mailer table (overriding domains)
Kmailertable hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db
 
# Virtual user table (maps incoming users)
Kvirtuser hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db
 
Mmailman,   P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
A=mm-handler $h $u
 
Mailertable looks like this:
 
senldogo0013.springer-sbm.com   mailman:senldogo0013.springer-sbm.com
 
And the Virtusertable like this:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
When sending a test message to either of the above mentioned addresses
works which indicates that the virtusertable file is active and working.
When trying to send a test message to a invalid or valid mailinglist
address i get the user unknown message back from sendmail and not the
error message i'm expecting from the mm-handler which indicates to me
that sendmail isn't properly seeing the mm-handler.
 
My main concern is the sendmail.cf, i first edited the os delivered
sendmail.mc file did some cut pasting from the mailman.mc file then
generated the sendmail.cf file using the proper m4 method. Maybe someone
can give me a basic sendmail.cf which can be easily used for the basic
mail & mailman functionality cause the mailman.mc file which comes with
the package can't be used cause that one gives lots of errors. 
 
Thanks for the help!
 
 
-   
Marco van Kammen
Springer
Unix / Exchange System Manager 
Floor Manager / Postmaster
-   
Van Godewijckstraat 30 | 3311 GX
Office Number: 05E21 
P.O. Box 17 | 3300 AA
Dordrecht | The Netherlands 
tel  +31 (0) 78 657 6446
fax  +31 (0) 78 657 6302
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.springer.com   
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