Re: [MlMt] Updating account information made MailMate (re)download *all* email
Now, it looks like this should be ok with FastMail, but then it seems something else happened. The redownloading of emails indicate that the `UIDVALIDITY` value changed of each mailbox. Each email is uniquely identified using the `UIDVALIDITY` of the mailbox and the `UID` of the message. If the `UIDVALIDITY` value of a mailbox changes then MailMate MUST delete its local cache of emails and then fetch the “new” messages of the mailbox. There is no way to tell MailMate to ignore `UIDVALIDITY` changes. Hmm, MailMate should also warn you when the latter happens which makes me think that this might be a MailMate bug after all. I have a FastMail test account and I'll note to test what happens when I do as you describe. Sorry about the inconvenience if this turns out to be a bug. I did not see any other warnings besides that first one. For what it's worth (probably not much), this just happened to me with iOS Mail. I updated to iOS 10 last night. So perhaps it is more of a FastMail problem, rather than a MailMate problem? Note that I haven't set up 2FA with FastMail, however. So I'm not really sure how helpful/relevant this anecdote is. -Adam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Message window view shortcuts
When a message window is open, the View > Layout submenu includes **Show/Hide Preview** and **Show/Hide Tips**. However, the keyboard shortcuts that appear in the menu beside these items don't function. These keyboard shortcuts (control-option-command-P and control-option-command-T) aren't assigned to any other functions in the Keyboard control panel or in my macro program (Keyboard Maestro). But when I assign the menu items new shortcuts in the Keyboard control panel (control-option-P and control-option-T) the new shortcuts work. Because I've found a workaround, this is only a heads-up so that other users can confirm it and Benny registers it as a bug. If I'm the only user who experiences it...I'm stumped. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
John, Sadly, thats a fact of life for some people. We live in London and people want their stuff at work and can’t access their home email from work, banking issues etc etc. No issues with getting mail at work as thats logged, they don’t like people having access to things they can’t log. Anyway thats what I’m told. Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:09, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 14 Sep 2016, at 9:50, Rob Willett wrote: The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), ISP’s, kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel spreadsheet which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution as its a multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but somebody at Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email address. One of the things in MM that makes this more difficult is that, unlike in Mail.app, when you click on an address in the to: field, you don’t have the option of switching to another of that card’s addresses. PS If you have to update a list, the Text Expander option isn’t any more difficult than a spreadsheet. But Thomas seems to have the right idea: Contacts does allow this, even if it’s an ugly interface. :-) Not sure you can have two addresses for one person though, but that would not be a negative for me. Who wants to get two copies of the same thing? :-) John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
On 14 Sep 2016, at 9:50, Rob Willett wrote: The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), ISP’s, kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel spreadsheet which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution as its a multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but somebody at Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email address. One of the things in MM that makes this more difficult is that, unlike in Mail.app, when you click on an address in the to: field, you don’t have the option of switching to another of that card’s addresses. PS If you have to update a list, the Text Expander option isn’t any more difficult than a spreadsheet. But Thomas seems to have the right idea: Contacts does allow this, even if it’s an ugly interface. :-) Not sure you can have two addresses for one person though, but that would not be a negative for me. Who wants to get two copies of the same thing? :-) John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Thomas, OK, I knew about the distribution list but hadn’t realised that different groups could select different primary email addresses. I want one group to send to multiple email addresses but could do this by setting up as many groups as there are maximum number of email addresses. So the first email address would be in group1 (this would send email to email1), anybody with a second email address would be in group2 (this would send to their email2 address) and anybody with a third email address would be in group3. Clearly the numbers would significantly diminish over the groups. I’ll have a try. Thanks Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:01, Thomas Eckhold wrote: Rob, You **can** select between different email addresses of one vCard. In Contacts: Go to the „Edit“ menu and select „Edit Distribution List“ There you will find a list with all available groups and for each group a list of associated contacts with **all** of their email addresses. Now you can select the email address of a group member which will be used if you send an email to this group. Different groups can use different email addresses of one and the same contact. No multiple vCards needed. --Thomas On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:54, Rob Willett wrote: Thomas, I *think* this only works if you create multiple cards per person, which is what we are trying to avoid There are options to play with smart groups to get similar to this but the selection criteria is not granular enough, e.g. you can’t select on second email address. is that what you mean? Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:31, Thomas Eckhold wrote: We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry with multiple emails addresses. I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the private email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The distribution list of a group in Contacts allows me to change between the different email addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick with one vCard per person but allows me to switch between the contact groups (or send to all groups at once). In addition I have better control which email addresses are actually used when I send an email to a specific group. --Thomas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Rob, You **can** select between different email addresses of one vCard. In Contacts: Go to the „Edit“ menu and select „Edit Distribution List“ There you will find a list with all available groups and for each group a list of associated contacts with **all** of their email addresses. Now you can select the email address of a group member which will be used if you send an email to this group. Different groups can use different email addresses of one and the same contact. No multiple vCards needed. --Thomas On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:54, Rob Willett wrote: > Thomas, > > I *think* this only works if you create multiple cards per person, which is > what we are trying to avoid There are options to play with smart groups to > get similar to this but the selection criteria is not granular enough, e.g. > you can’t select on second email address. > > is that what you mean? > > Rob > > On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:31, Thomas Eckhold wrote: > >>> We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the >>> problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry >>> with multiple emails addresses. >> >> I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the private >> email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The distribution list >> of a group in Contacts allows me to change between the different email >> addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick with one vCard per person >> but allows me to switch between the contact groups (or send to all groups at >> once). In addition I have better control which email addresses are actually >> used when I send an email to a specific group. >> >> --Thomas >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Thomas, I *think* this only works if you create multiple cards per person, which is what we are trying to avoid There are options to play with smart groups to get similar to this but the selection criteria is not granular enough, e.g. you can’t select on second email address. is that what you mean? Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:31, Thomas Eckhold wrote: We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry with multiple emails addresses. I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the private email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The distribution list of a group in Contacts allows me to change between the different email addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick with one vCard per person but allows me to switch between the contact groups (or send to all groups at once). In addition I have better control which email addresses are actually used when I send an email to a specific group. --Thomas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), ISP’s, kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel spreadsheet which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution as its a multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but somebody at Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email address. Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:02, John Muccigrosso wrote: Just setting it up manually the first time and then either copying and pasting that list or replying to the message won't do? Or set up an AppleScript that has everyone's email in it. (FWIW, this is exactly the kind of thing I would not want to receive multiple copies of, but my kids are old now. :-) ) John Muccigrosso On Sep 14, 2016, at 02:31, Rob Willett wrote: Hi, I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We have experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be enough :) Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user. We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry with multiple emails addresses. We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue. Any suggestions please? Rob ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Thanks, but kids come and go, parents also change jobs and e-mail addresses. This solution works if nothing changes very often, sadly thats not the case. Rob On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:01, Annamarie wrote: Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to build the list again. I do this lots with groups of emails. My two cents. Annamarie Pluhar 802-451-1941 802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.) On 14 Sep 2016, at 2:31, Rob Willett wrote: Hi, I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We have experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be enough :) Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user. We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry with multiple emails addresses. We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue. Any suggestions please? Rob ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
On 14 Sep 2016, at 8:01, Annamarie wrote: Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to build the list again. I do this lots with groups of emails. Great idea if you have Text Expander. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
> We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the > problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry > with multiple emails addresses. I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the private email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The distribution list of a group in Contacts allows me to change between the different email addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick with one vCard per person but allows me to switch between the contact groups (or send to all groups at once). In addition I have better control which email addresses are actually used when I send an email to a specific group. --Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Just setting it up manually the first time and then either copying and pasting that list or replying to the message won't do? Or set up an AppleScript that has everyone's email in it. (FWIW, this is exactly the kind of thing I would not want to receive multiple copies of, but my kids are old now. :-) ) John Muccigrosso > On Sep 14, 2016, at 02:31, Rob Willett wrote: > > Hi, > > I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents which > give their contact details, most of them have multiple email addresses, e.g. > a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to both their emails > addresses with information about upcoming games. However Contacts/Mailmate on > OS X El Capitan only allows a single email address to be associated with a > user in a group contact. We have experimented with various options and come > to the conclusion its not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple > deciding that users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of > how many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be > enough :) > > Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or would > anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works with > MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user. > > We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the > problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry > with multiple emails addresses. > > We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue. > > Any suggestions please? > > Rob > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate
Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to build the list again. I do this lots with groups of emails. My two cents. Annamarie Pluhar 802-451-1941 802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.) On 14 Sep 2016, at 2:31, Rob Willett wrote: Hi, I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We have experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be enough :) Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user. We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry with multiple emails addresses. We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue. Any suggestions please? Rob ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate