Re: VIRGIL: sicque/quicquid
I think this must be right. And we should remember that even dysphony has its place. throughout this discussion a line from the Georgics has been ringing (or clanging) in my ears: et quid quaeque ferat regio et quid quaeque recuset (1.53) No -cqu- here, but -d qu- twice, and an insistent alliteration of a very percussive sound. I consider it one of the hardest lines in Vergil to read aloud quid quaeque may have been pronounced quicquaeque by assimilation thus making the pronounciation considerably easier. Docent Arne Jönsson Klassiska institutionen Sölvegatan 2 S-223 62 LUND Sweden Tel: + 46 (0)46 222 34 23 Fax: + 46 (0)46 222 42 27 --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: sicque/quicquid
Arne Jönsson wrote: quid quaeque may have been pronounced quicquaeque by assimilation thus making the pronounciation considerably easier. Yes, I've wondered about this. It may have been pronounced thus colloquially, but a declaimer of epic poetry might be expected to enunciate more carefully. If the assimilation did take place, however, then add -cqu- twice to the cacophonous clash of consonants that make up the line. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: paid for propaganda?
I've heqard in various readings that Virgil was actually receiving gold-pieces from Augustus, but I prefer to go along with a certain translator by the name of Guinach (sp.??) who stated in some pice I read that Virgil most likely was an ardent supporterof many of Augustus' s policies and sought to help promote the reconstructions of the State that Aug. had in mind. I do not at all think Virgil was a hireling, but believed that these ideas of Aug. were good for the State as a whole. Plus the work is to beautiful and inspiring to be a paid for work of propaganda. I think if he was paid he earned the money in what he would have wrote anyway!! I hope that helps, but I think people push things to far sometimes and should just look at the beauty in a piece of work and enjoy it and not try to tear it apart. But of course some of us who are students have to do just that. tear it apart and not enjoy it!! Kimber -Original Message- From: Rebecca Smyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: VIRGIL: paid for propaganda? Salvete! I read a suggestion that we should not believe that Virgil was a paid court poet writing propaganda for his patron. I'm not sure that I agree with this, but reflecting on it has brought several questions to my mind. Virgil's patron provided him with the leisure to write his poetry. Was the poet therefore showing his gratitude by writing propaganda? Was Virgil making the most of this opportunity to write his poetry at leisure? Did he really desire to promote Augustus, or was he trying to show how ridiculous the Emperor might be? Was the propaganda actually humourous? If anyone could help to settle my confusion, I would be very grateful. Rebecca Smyth Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Sabine Women
Can anyone furnish me with name of an artist who has portrayed the Rape of the Sabine Women (viii 822ff)? Thank you. John Dwyer --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Sabine Women
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], john dwyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Can anyone furnish me with name of an artist who has portrayed the Rape of the Sabine Women (viii 822ff)? The first who comes to mind is David (Les Sabines, 1799, in the Louvre). Leofranc Holford-Strevens *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Leofranc Holford-Strevens 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter? OX2 6EJ tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/267865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: VIRUS
Someone sent me the Happy99 worm. It's an email attachment - you open it, load it and it has some pretty fireworks. You think how sweet!. But the little beast then attaches itself to every email you send. If you haven't seen it, ignore this. But if you have an empty email from me with an attachment DO NOT OPEN IT! Just delete it unread. If this is too late, and you've seen the fireworks, you can find out how to kill it from Symantec: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html I'm really sorry to have been an unconscious vector for this little blighter. Cheyanne --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: REPLY REQUIRED: The Classics Pages Subscription Verify (fwd)
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