[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

[Marc Paré]

Hi Immanuel,

Le 2012-12-30 08:42, Immanuel Giulea a écrit :

Hi Marc,

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:


The admins to the calendar are both Florian and myself. It would be great
if there were just one more volunteer to help out with the calendar. There
is very little work to do for it ... probably takes up no more than 1hr per
month of work -- maybe less.



You can count me as the extra volunteer :)

Immanuel

p.s. I am not on the marketing team, how do I join?



You will need a GMail account. Just send me your GMail account off-list 
and I will make you admin.


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Japanese page on FB

[Marc Paré]

Hi Naruhiko,

Le 2012-12-30 13:23, Sophie Gautier a écrit :

Hi Naruhiko,



Naruhiko, don't hesitate to report here what you're are doing, your
initiatives or anything you're putting in place. It's very interesting
for all of us and help us to learn how to put the same things in place
in our own language.



Thanks again,


Thanks to you and your community for the great investment in LibreOffice.
Kind regards
Sophie


Just to add to this, if there are any events happening in JA, leave a 
note here on the marketing list and we will add them to our Events 
Calendar (website and wiki). This will give you more exposure for your 
group.[1]


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Marc Paré]

Hi Immanuel,

Le 2012-12-30 08:44, Immanuel Giulea a écrit :

Hi Marc and all,


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:


I think Immanuel has offered to lead on this. I can help with setting up
the page. I like the good arguments on this thread. We have to make sure
that we are as factual as possible. MS will capitalize on any claims that
we make that are not factual, so we have to watch carefully over our claims.

Immanuel, let me know if you need any help with the wiki page.

Cheers,

Marc



I am happy to help in any way I can.
If you could be kind enough to run me through the 101 of wiki page
creation, I can get started. I've only edited 1 or 2 wiki pages in my life.

Immanuel



I can see you already have an account and started the page[1].

You can find "most frequently used types of wiki markup" on the 
wikimedia site and from there, there are links on the bottom of that 
page with more markup help pages.[2]


To begin with, I would type in the information/data and then 
format/beautify the page once all or most of the information is on the 
page.


I also often cruise the wiki to see pages that have been formatted a 
particular way that I like and then view the markup text to see if I 
could adapt the text to the page(s) I am working on.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

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On 12/30/12 2:42 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote:

> p.s. I am not on the marketing team, how do I join?

You have already joined: this is a meritocracy, and team members are
those who help. We do not have a formal team, alhtough there are some
recognized members active for a longer time. Marc is one of our heros,
and is based in Canada.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Google AdWords

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (29-12-12 12:09)


I've been playing with it a bit, and set up the following ads for testing:

 LibreOffice needs help
 --
 Your donation helps
 making a better product.
 donate.libreoffice.org
[...]
This is just a first test-drive to see if everything is working as
expected. Early next year, I'd like to work with all of you together on
crafting our ads. It might help a lot with marketing our 4.0 release,
our fundraising and other acitivies.


Thanks for these initial tests. It's good to learn by experience (is 
what I learned from experience ;-) ).
I suppose we can have various campaigns at the same time, so that we can 
have a variety of adds, linked with different searches?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Cor Nouws]

Immanuel Giulea wrote (30-12-12 22:18)

Cor, if you know him already, maybe you can approach him as well. It can't
hurt to approach him from two people.


I don't know people in Montreal. But I do know people in a Dutch company 
giving OpenERP support.




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Happy New Year and a git from Brazilian LibreOffice Community

[Cor Nouws]

Dear Eliane,

Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote (29-12-12 17:12)


I have no enough words to wish you all a wonderful and spectacular 2013.


Thanks for your good wishes. I wish you and all friends and members in 
you Brazilian community the same, inspiration for and success in 2013.


Your graphic contributions are nice and often inspiring :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

[Cor Nouws]

Florian Monfort wrote (29-12-12 11:18)


I think in this case you... Think too much haha.


Pls don't write too much to...


Let's describe the average user here and think about it:

- When the average user downloads, he just ... Downloads... Mostly because
it's free and he needs an Office Suite ASAP.


If there is the possibility to make sure that the average user get's an 
automatic update, I have no objection.

Just remains to be done:
 a. make it technically possible;
 b. make sure that power users and companies are not hindered;

AD a - is not up to us...
AD b - could prolly simply be done by asking a question after 
installation: "do you want new stable versions being installed 
automatically" or such.


And yes, I agree that for many users it would be fine.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

>From the 4.0 Release Notes, I understand that LO is aiming to compatible
with CIMS protocol.
I'll try to take a deeper look at this.
Don't know enough about the CIMS protocol right now.


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Hi Immanuel,
>
> Thanks for your initiative and input for this!
>
> Immanuel Giulea wrote (29-12-12 22:04)
>
>
>  What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ?
>>
>
> https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**ReleaseNotes/4.0#Core
>
> I've some documentation from some years back. Will try next weeks
> (overloaded, sorry) to see what is up to date and then send it here.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

I asked one of the team members on the Montreal committee to make
introductions to Fabien Pinckaers, CEO at OpenERP.

I also contacted two other OpenERP providers in Montreal to get feedback
about integration. There are four in total. Two members on the Montreal
committee are from the fourth one, and I'll touch base with them in the New
Year.

Cor, if you know him already, maybe you can approach him as well. It can't
hurt to approach him from two people.


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Charles-H. Schulz wrote (30-12-12 14:52)
>
>  Go ahead. If my memory serves me right there was an OpenErp booth at the
>> last FOSDEM. I'll go talk to them then.
>>
>
> If it may be necessary later, I do have some contacts here in the
> Netherlands.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Immanuel,

Thanks for your initiative and input for this!

Immanuel Giulea wrote (29-12-12 22:04)


What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Core

I've some documentation from some years back. Will try next weeks 
(overloaded, sorry) to see what is up to date and then send it here.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Cor Nouws]

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (30-12-12 14:52)

Go ahead. If my memory serves me right there was an OpenErp booth at the last 
FOSDEM. I'll go talk to them then.


If it may be necessary later, I do have some contacts here in the 
Netherlands.



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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Boudi van Vlijmen]

I'll check it out with my OpenERP network.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Kind regards,
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Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Immanuel Giulea
wrote:

> The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
> integration with OpenOffice only.
> We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
> OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
> integration, and for them to update their docs.
> So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
> Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
> the same as .DOC format.
>
> Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
> addressed?
>
> Immanuel
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:
>
>> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Japanese page on FB

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Naruhiko,
On 30/12/2012 19:07, Naruhiko Ogasawara wrote:
> Hi Sophie, all,
> 
> 
> Thanks for comment to Japanese community work :)

You're welcome :) I know your group is doing a lot of marketing and
meetings, it's really great to see how you are active.
> 
>> Just to let you know about the Japanese page on FB here :
>> https://www.facebook.com/LibreofficeStudyJapan
>> From my (poor) Japanese understanding, it's about meetings on
>> LibreOffice study currently in Kanto, Kansai and Kyushu.
>> Anybody from the Japanese group to talk a bit more about it?
> 
> Yes, your understanding is perfect!

Thanks a lot :)

> This FB group is META group to discuss how we can start,
> continue or manage the LibreOffice offline meetings in each
> places.
> It's very young, limited target group, but I hope it helps
> people who want to do something about LibreOffice meetings
> in Japan.

I'm sure it will, it's a very good idea.
> 
> 
> And we have another group "LibreOffice (日本語)" :
> https://www.facebook.com/LibreOfficeJa
> 
> Its more famous, widely used FB group in Japan.
> We use the group to share the news, topics or something
> interest about LibreOffice in Japanese. currently 184 ppl
> likes it.

well 185 now ;)
> 
> To be honest, our core community members mostly likes ML
> or Twitter than FB, but we know FB is powerful tool to
> reach many casual (non-geek) users that's why we care
> the group.

And you're right, any media that can help us to gather people is
welcome. But the Japanese group is far from the French one for example,
I didn't meet enough people to open a FB page, or a G+ or even a twitter
account.

Naruhiko, don't hesitate to report here what you're are doing, your
initiatives or anything you're putting in place. It's very interesting
for all of us and help us to learn how to put the same things in place
in our own language.
> 
> 
> Thanks again,

Thanks to you and your community for the great investment in LibreOffice.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Japanese page on FB

[Naruhiko Ogasawara]

Hi Sophie, all,


Thanks for comment to Japanese community work :)

> Just to let you know about the Japanese page on FB here :
> https://www.facebook.com/LibreofficeStudyJapan
> From my (poor) Japanese understanding, it's about meetings on
> LibreOffice study currently in Kanto, Kansai and Kyushu.
> Anybody from the Japanese group to talk a bit more about it?

Yes, your understanding is perfect!
This FB group is META group to discuss how we can start,
continue or manage the LibreOffice offline meetings in each
places.
It's very young, limited target group, but I hope it helps
people who want to do something about LibreOffice meetings
in Japan.


And we have another group "LibreOffice (日本語)" :
https://www.facebook.com/LibreOfficeJa

Its more famous, widely used FB group in Japan.
We use the group to share the news, topics or something
interest about LibreOffice in Japanese. currently 184 ppl
likes it.

To be honest, our core community members mostly likes ML
or Twitter than FB, but we know FB is powerful tool to
reach many casual (non-geek) users that's why we care
the group.


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[libreoffice-marketing] Japanese page on FB

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi all,

Just to let you know about the Japanese page on FB here :
https://www.facebook.com/LibreofficeStudyJapan
From my (poor) Japanese understanding, it's about meetings on
LibreOffice study currently in Kanto, Kansai and Kyushu.
Anybody from the Japanese group to talk a bit more about it?
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Mapping the community

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Charles, all
On 30/12/2012 17:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As you will recall the Marketing project's mission is to act as an
> information broker inside the LibreOffice project, as well as from
> inside it to the outside. Let's start with a fundamental block of this
> role then:
> we should map our community. What does this mean? It means to draw both
> the structure and the workflows of our community, from one end of the
> project to the other.
> 
> The end result can be anything from a chart to a logical diagram, I
> think only text might be too dry and complex but suggestions are
> welcome. Any takers ?

I usually use a mindmap for that, but it's not very sexy on a marketing
point of view :) Anyway, I think that my knowledge of the community and
its workflow/interaction can help here, so don't hesitate to count me in.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Immanuel,

Just leave the feature comparison page where it is; perhaps you could 
focus on a more synthetic document, and one that takes into account 
broader points (not just feature by feature)?


Thanks,

Charles.

Le 30.12.2012 17:51, Immanuel Giulea a écrit :

I figured out how to create pages, so I started by creating:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points
and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO

an hour later, I also found:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


Should the Feature Comparison be moved to marketing or if left alone,
referred to from the marketing materials?


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Immanuel Giulea 

wrote:



The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
integration with OpenOffice only.
We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to 
confirm

integration, and for them to update their docs.
So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only 
mention
Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are 
handled

the same as .DOC format.

Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can 
be

addressed?

Immanuel


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen 
wrote:



OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (

http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business 
solutions)






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[libreoffice-marketing] Mapping the community

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello,

As you will recall the Marketing project's mission is to act as an 
information broker inside the LibreOffice project, as well as from 
inside it to the outside. Let's start with a fundamental block of this 
role then:
we should map our community. What does this mean? It means to draw both 
the structure and the workflows of our community, from one end of the 
project to the other.


The end result can be anything from a chart to a logical diagram, I 
think only text might be too dry and complex but suggestions are 
welcome. Any takers ?


Thanks,

Charles.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

I figured out how to create pages, so I started by creating:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points
and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO

an hour later, I also found:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


Should the Feature Comparison be moved to marketing or if left alone,
referred to from the marketing materials?


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Immanuel Giulea  wrote:

> The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
> integration with OpenOffice only.
> We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
> OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
> integration, and for them to update their docs.
> So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
> Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
> the same as .DOC format.
>
> Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
> addressed?
>
> Immanuel
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:
>
>> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>
>
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Call Doodle January

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello,

This  call will be primarily about the 4.0 release and our team 
activities development. Times are expressed in CET (that is, Berlin, 
Paris, Rome time):

http://doodle.com/rxen66dq79m35tw4

Please put your name and choose what day and time would fit  the best.

Best
Charles.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included integration
with OpenOffice only.
We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
integration, and for them to update their docs.
So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
the same as .DOC format.

Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
addressed?

Immanuel

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:

> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Paolo Debortoli]

About Microsoft and Libreoffice I had seen a document  (presented in a 
conference of TDF)  with title:   "Dirty tactics against LibreOffice in public 
administration, and how to overcome them  -  Otto Kekäläinen   Free Software 
Foundation Europe – FSFE.org"  with many considerations to take into account 
(for those who don't know them).  It should be still available somewhere.

However eventually someone can talk about advanced required new features.




 From: Charles-H. Schulz 
To: "marketing@global.libreoffice.org"  
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material 
suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
 
Go ahead. If my memory serves me right there was an OpenErp booth at the last 
FOSDEM. I'll go talk to them then.

Best,

Charles.


Immanuel Giulea  a écrit :

>There was an OpenERP meetup in Montreal recently. I can get in touch
>with
>the local people here.
>
>Immanuel
>On Dec 29, 2012 5:12 PM, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
>charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Anybody knows someone at openerp? Otherwise I'l lcontact them.
>>
>> Best,
>> Charles.
>>
>>
>> Italo Vignoli  a écrit :
>>
>> >Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki
>> >page
>> >where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as
>> >Microsoft document is focused on Windows, which is their cash cow)
>is
>> >very good. All the points that have been raised so far are extremely
>> >good, and I think that we should pick them and paste in a starting
>> >document.
>> >
>> >I am currently working at the final version of the migration and
>> >training protocol for certification, and I do not have the time for
>> >creating this wiki page for a few days. Anyone could create the page
>> >though, in the Marketing area of TDF wiki:
>> >
>> >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing
>> >
>> >I would call the page "Selling Point vs MS Office", because this is
>the
>> >summary of the contents.
>> >
>> >Marc can definitely help in creating the page, if someone has
>problems
>> >with the wiki.
>> >
>> >I am definitely interested in helping with the contents, once I will
>> >have finished working on the certification protocols.
>> >
>> >On 12/29/12 10:07 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> >> On 12/29/2012 01:12 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote:
>> >>> Well to be fair, I raised three points that seemed to me were the
>> >>> arguments of MS feature-wise.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other arguments are listed, and my suggestion was to create a new
>> >wiki
>> >>> page where we could compare (side-by-side) LO and MSO.
>> >>>
>> >>> Summary of arguments from MS against LO
>> >>>
>> >>> *Arguments about $$*
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Total costs: Business impact; like software issues,
>integration,
>> >>>     incompatibility, run-time errors, downtime, unreliable
>support
>> >and
>> >>>     security vulnerability.
>> >>>
>> >> Unreliable support? MS normally offers very limited direct user
>> >support
>> >> - 1 or 2 incidents max if I remember correctly. Most user support
>> >will
>> >> be from a help desk (internal or external). If it is from MS it is
>> >via
>> >> separate contract or additional costs to the licensing agreement.
>> >> Security is a joke because MS is notorious for shipping insecure
>> >> products. Run-time errors? What about BSOD for Windows?
>Integration
>> >and
>> >> incompatibility are very nebulous - do they mean file formats or
>> >being
>> >> able to access the program from another? The first is really MSO
>not
>> >> following standards and the later is a programming issue.
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Total benefit: Such as reliable supports, updates,
>> >accessibility,
>> >>>     and security.
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Integration cost: The cost associated when you decide to use
>a
>> >>>     different software platform.
>> >>>
>> >> Different software platform - do they mean OS? If so, LO does this
>> >> better even if the OS/distro is not officially support because the
>> >> source code is available and can be compiled by someone for a very
>> >> specific platform. With MSO, if a version is not provide you have
>no
>> >> options (Linux version available).
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Management: Can it be easily managed? Large companies tend to
>> >have
>> >>>     this issue because they don't have a unified system.
>> >>>
>> >> This is truly a management problem, is the management competent?
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Deployment costs: Can it handle corporate size business
>> >>>     productivity? In addition to the compromise or extra benefits
>of
>> >>>     software alternatives.
>> >>>
>> >> Software suitability should be determined for each case. There is
>no
>> >> blanket answer for this. MS is implying that MSO is the only
>answer
>> >for
>> >> businesses when in fact it is often not. Often the issue is that a
>> >> company has an installed base of VB macros, etc for MSO that would
>> >need
>> >> porting to LO
>> >>>
>> >>>   * OpenOffice/LibreOffice does not provide

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Go ahead. If my memory serves me right there was an OpenErp booth at the last 
FOSDEM. I'll go talk to them then.

Best,

Charles.


Immanuel Giulea  a écrit :

>There was an OpenERP meetup in Montreal recently. I can get in touch
>with
>the local people here.
>
>Immanuel
>On Dec 29, 2012 5:12 PM, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
>charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Anybody knows someone at openerp? Otherwise I'l lcontact them.
>>
>> Best,
>> Charles.
>>
>>
>> Italo Vignoli  a écrit :
>>
>> >Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki
>> >page
>> >where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as
>> >Microsoft document is focused on Windows, which is their cash cow)
>is
>> >very good. All the points that have been raised so far are extremely
>> >good, and I think that we should pick them and paste in a starting
>> >document.
>> >
>> >I am currently working at the final version of the migration and
>> >training protocol for certification, and I do not have the time for
>> >creating this wiki page for a few days. Anyone could create the page
>> >though, in the Marketing area of TDF wiki:
>> >
>> >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing
>> >
>> >I would call the page "Selling Point vs MS Office", because this is
>the
>> >summary of the contents.
>> >
>> >Marc can definitely help in creating the page, if someone has
>problems
>> >with the wiki.
>> >
>> >I am definitely interested in helping with the contents, once I will
>> >have finished working on the certification protocols.
>> >
>> >On 12/29/12 10:07 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> >> On 12/29/2012 01:12 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote:
>> >>> Well to be fair, I raised three points that seemed to me were the
>> >>> arguments of MS feature-wise.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other arguments are listed, and my suggestion was to create a new
>> >wiki
>> >>> page where we could compare (side-by-side) LO and MSO.
>> >>>
>> >>> Summary of arguments from MS against LO
>> >>>
>> >>> *Arguments about $$*
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Total costs: Business impact; like software issues,
>integration,
>> >>> incompatibility, run-time errors, downtime, unreliable
>support
>> >and
>> >>> security vulnerability.
>> >>>
>> >> Unreliable support? MS normally offers very limited direct user
>> >support
>> >> - 1 or 2 incidents max if I remember correctly. Most user support
>> >will
>> >> be from a help desk (internal or external). If it is from MS it is
>> >via
>> >> separate contract or additional costs to the licensing agreement.
>> >> Security is a joke because MS is notorious for shipping insecure
>> >> products. Run-time errors? What about BSOD for Windows?
>Integration
>> >and
>> >> incompatibility are very nebulous - do they mean file formats or
>> >being
>> >> able to access the program from another? The first is really MSO
>not
>> >> following standards and the later is a programming issue.
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Total benefit: Such as reliable supports, updates,
>> >accessibility,
>> >>> and security.
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Integration cost: The cost associated when you decide to use
>a
>> >>> different software platform.
>> >>>
>> >> Different software platform - do they mean OS? If so, LO does this
>> >> better even if the OS/distro is not officially support because the
>> >> source code is available and can be compiled by someone for a very
>> >> specific platform. With MSO, if a version is not provide you have
>no
>> >> options (Linux version available).
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Management: Can it be easily managed? Large companies tend to
>> >have
>> >>> this issue because they don't have a unified system.
>> >>>
>> >> This is truly a management problem, is the management competent?
>> >>>
>> >>>   * Deployment costs: Can it handle corporate size business
>> >>> productivity? In addition to the compromise or extra benefits
>of
>> >>> software alternatives.
>> >>>
>> >> Software suitability should be determined for each case. There is
>no
>> >> blanket answer for this. MS is implying that MSO is the only
>answer
>> >for
>> >> businesses when in fact it is often not. Often the issue is that a
>> >> company has an installed base of VB macros, etc for MSO that would
>> >need
>> >> porting to LO
>> >>>
>> >>>   * OpenOffice/LibreOffice does not provide the same depth of
>> >>> functionality as Microsoft Office as a result do not meet the
>> >>> needs of some end users. This will force your organization to
>> >>> manage multiple software suites potentially increasing IT
>costs.
>> >>>
>> >> No software meets the needs of all users because all are
>> >design/feature
>> >> compromises.
>> >>>
>> >>>   * When running a mixed software environment you are also
>running
>> >the
>> >>> risk of interoperability issues which could further increase
>IT
>> >>> and helpdesk costs, inhibit productivity, and generate end
>users
>> >>> frustration.
>> >>>
>> >> Most companies standardize on the software tools as much as
>possible
>> >to

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Apologies for top posting. Marc is right. Immanuel has the lead on this but we 
will all contribute. In the end it should ideally become a nice looking page on 
our website, nof just a wiki page. 

Thanks Immanuel!

Charles.


"Marc Paré"  a écrit :

>Hi Italo and Immanuel,
>
>Le 2012-12-29 16:49, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
>> Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki
>page
>> where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as
>> Microsoft document is focused on Windows, which is their cash cow) is
>> very good. All the points that have been raised so far are extremely
>> good, and I think that we should pick them and paste in a starting
>document.
>>
>> I am currently working at the final version of the migration and
>> training protocol for certification, and I do not have the time for
>> creating this wiki page for a few days. Anyone could create the page
>> though, in the Marketing area of TDF wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing
>>
>> I would call the page "Selling Point vs MS Office", because this is
>the
>> summary of the contents.
>>
>> Marc can definitely help in creating the page, if someone has
>problems
>> with the wiki.
>>
>> I am definitely interested in helping with the contents, once I will
>> have finished working on the certification protocols.
>>
>
>I think Immanuel has offered to lead on this. I can help with setting
>up 
>the page. I like the good arguments on this thread. We have to make
>sure 
>that we are as factual as possible. MS will capitalize on any claims 
>that we make that are not factual, so we have to watch carefully over 
>our claims.
>
>Immanuel, let me know if you need any help with the wiki page.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

Hi Marc and all,


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:

> I think Immanuel has offered to lead on this. I can help with setting up
> the page. I like the good arguments on this thread. We have to make sure
> that we are as factual as possible. MS will capitalize on any claims that
> we make that are not factual, so we have to watch carefully over our claims.
>
> Immanuel, let me know if you need any help with the wiki page.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>

I am happy to help in any way I can.
If you could be kind enough to run me through the 101 of wiki page
creation, I can get started. I've only edited 1 or 2 wiki pages in my life.

Immanuel

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

[Immanuel Giulea]

Hi Marc,

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:

> The admins to the calendar are both Florian and myself. It would be great
> if there were just one more volunteer to help out with the calendar. There
> is very little work to do for it ... probably takes up no more than 1hr per
> month of work -- maybe less.


You can count me as the extra volunteer :)

Immanuel

p.s. I am not on the marketing team, how do I join?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ubuntu libreoffice bugs tracking

[Italo Vignoli]

On 12/30/12 1:59 PM, Paolo Debortoli wrote:

> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice

The question should be addressed to the QA or development mailing lists,
and not on the marketing mailing list. I strongly suspect that Bjoern
Michaelsen is aware of this list of bugs, but I have copied him just in
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[libreoffice-marketing] ubuntu libreoffice bugs tracking

[Paolo Debortoli]

I don't know wether such bugs are already known or should be connected to LO 
bugzilla or so..


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice
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[libreoffice-marketing] Piktochart Account

[Italo Vignoli]

I have applied for a Charity Account at Piktochart, which is a cloud
system to produce nice infographics (http://piktochart.com/charity/).
The charity account costs 39,99 dollars per year, instead of 199,99 $
for the Pro Account, and allows to improve the overall appearance of
infographics, and reduce at the same time the effort by using ready made
templates. I do not know if it is possible to have more than one user,
which would be the best solution for the marketing group, but I will let
you know as soon as possible.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Happy New Year and a git from Brazilian LibreOffice Community

[Eliane Domingos de Sousa]

Hi Marc,

Sure!

Best

Eliane Domingos de Sousa
Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil
Liberte-se, para editar textos, planilhas e apresentações
use http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/ é totalmente de graça.

Em 30-12-2012 06:21, Marc Paré escreveu:

Hi Eliane,


Le 2012-12-29 11:12, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Dear Community,

I have no enough words to wish you all a wonderful and spectacular 2013.

I'm very greatful and happy to be part of this Community. Because of
this, I prepare a simple gift for you. The LibreOffice Calendar 2013 in
English, but I didn't insert the holidays. :) But no worries, I prepared
the file in LibreOffice Draw and shared with you. As always, feel free
to use and share.

ODG file:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HAPPY_NEW_YEAR_ENGLISH-2013.odg

JPG file:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HAPPY_NEW_YEAR_ENGLISH-2013.jpg

Sincerely

Eliane Domingos de Sousa
Brazilian LibreOffice Community



Thanks! Nice design!

Could I add this also to our resources wiki page?

Happy new year to you as well and many thanks to you and the BR-PT 
Community for your contributions.


Cheers,

Marc




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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Marc Paré]

Hi Italo and Immanuel,

Le 2012-12-29 16:49, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki page
where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as
Microsoft document is focused on Windows, which is their cash cow) is
very good. All the points that have been raised so far are extremely
good, and I think that we should pick them and paste in a starting document.

I am currently working at the final version of the migration and
training protocol for certification, and I do not have the time for
creating this wiki page for a few days. Anyone could create the page
though, in the Marketing area of TDF wiki:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing

I would call the page "Selling Point vs MS Office", because this is the
summary of the contents.

Marc can definitely help in creating the page, if someone has problems
with the wiki.

I am definitely interested in helping with the contents, once I will
have finished working on the certification protocols.



I think Immanuel has offered to lead on this. I can help with setting up 
the page. I like the good arguments on this thread. We have to make sure 
that we are as factual as possible. MS will capitalize on any claims 
that we make that are not factual, so we have to watch carefully over 
our claims.


Immanuel, let me know if you need any help with the wiki page.

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Happy New Year and a git from Brazilian LibreOffice Community

[Marc Paré]

Hi Eliane,


Le 2012-12-29 11:12, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit :

Dear Community,

I have no enough words to wish you all a wonderful and spectacular 2013.

I'm very greatful and happy to be part of this Community. Because of
this, I prepare a simple gift for you. The LibreOffice Calendar 2013 in
English, but I didn't insert the holidays. :) But no worries, I prepared
the file in LibreOffice Draw and shared with you. As always, feel free
to use and share.

ODG file:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HAPPY_NEW_YEAR_ENGLISH-2013.odg

JPG file:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HAPPY_NEW_YEAR_ENGLISH-2013.jpg

Sincerely

Eliane Domingos de Sousa
Brazilian LibreOffice Community



Thanks! Nice design!

Could I add this also to our resources wiki page?

Happy new year to you as well and many thanks to you and the BR-PT 
Community for your contributions.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

[Marc Paré]

Hi Immanuel,

Le 2012-12-29 09:33, Immanuel Giulea a écrit :

Hello Florian, Marc and everyone,

Good timing on the calendar. I was going to suggest having one on the wiki
where everyone could contribute.
Perhaps a Google Spreadsheet would be nice.

Is the calendar open/crowd-sourced?

Immanuel



Our events calendar can be found both on the website in the "About Us" 
section, and, on the wiki. You can find the link in our Marketing 
section[1]. The calendar is a Google Calendar and the same information 
is the same on both the website and wiki page.


The website calendar uses the an iFrame and can show more than one 
calendar at a time; the wiki calendar uses a wikimedia plugin, but this 
particular plugin does not allow for multiple calendars.


The admins to the calendar are both Florian and myself. It would be 
great if there were just one more volunteer to help out with the 
calendar. There is very little work to do for it ... probably takes up 
no more than 1hr per month of work -- maybe less.


Cheers,

Marc

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