Re: GNOME files disabled
Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to do this? Stormy On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Claus Schwarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and > she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1] > > It currently re-directs to osnews.com. > > It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more > software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on > the software map page as well [3]. > > > Cheers, > Claus > > > [1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html > [2] http://www.gnome.org/community/ > [3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Hi Stormy On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to > do this? > I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to Get More Software in /community/. For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN, usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks for the heads up :-). In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of a site like gnomefiles.org? greetings 0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I don't want to assume. :) Stormy On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi Stormy > > On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time > to > > do this? > > > > I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to > Get More Software in /community/. > > For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN, > usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or > gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks > for the heads up :-). > > In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of > a site like gnomefiles.org? > > greetings > > 0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291 > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I > don't want to assume. :) closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news, etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME program a place to shout from. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Luis Villa wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I >> don't want to assume. :) > > closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news, > etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier > things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME > program a place to shout from. But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage. Also refused to label non-free software as such when requested a few years ago. Eventually recapitulated. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luis Villa wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I >>> don't want to assume. :) >> >> closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news, >> etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier >> things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME >> program a place to shout from. > > But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became > about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage. I'd say that ideally a replacement would have functionality similar to a.m.o- ratings (including download counts and perhaps some sort of 'maturity' score based on the duration and number of updates) and probably some editorial component for the front page. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Luis Villa wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I don't want to assume. :) >>> >>> closer to addons.mozilla.org- information (including updates, news, >>> etc.) about applications available for GNOME. One of those multiplier >>> things that creates a lot of value by giving everyone who does a GNOME >>> program a place to shout from. >> >> But also had a very low barrier to entry, which meant that it became >> about as useful as Freshmeat at one stage. > > I'd say that ideally a replacement would have functionality similar to > a.m.o- ratings (including download counts and perhaps some sort of > 'maturity' score based on the duration and number of updates) and > probably some editorial component for the front page. > a.m.o is powered by Remora (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora). I had a look at the code at some point, and it seemed to be hard coded for Firefox and Thunderbird. However, there has been some efforts from SugarLabs to modify the code to be more suitable for a generic software map[1] - I'm not sure what the status of the project is right now. Thanks, Sayamindu [1] http://lists.lo-res.org/pipermail/its.an.education.project/2008-June/001019.html -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Hi, On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:38:34 -0500 "Diego Escalante Urrelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Stormy > > On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the > > time to do this? > > > > I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to > Get More Software in /community/. > Thanks a lot! [snip] > In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of > a site like gnomefiles.org? > >From a marketing point of view: Yes. A site such gnomefiles is pull marketing [1] for the GNOME development platform, and also supports the desktop due to network effects [2]. It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That was the central problem of gnomefiles. Cheers, Claus [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-Pull_strategy [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effects -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was gnomefiles? It sounds like a list of files found in GNOME but I > don't want to assume. :) You can see how the website looked like at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gnomefiles.org/ Also, for individual project pages, see http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/* Images are not cached at archive.org. Simos > Stormy > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Stormy >> >> On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time >> > to >> > do this? >> > >> >> I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to >> Get More Software in /community/. >> >> For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN, >> usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or >> gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks >> for the heads up :-). >> >> In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of >> a site like gnomefiles.org? >> >> greetings >> >> 0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291 > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Claus Schwarm schrieb: > It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are > rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That > was the central problem of gnomefiles. > > Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has. Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most linuxbased FLOSS has. ciao, Thilo -- Thilo Pfennig - PfennigSolutions IT-Beratung- Wiki-Systeme Sandkrug 28 - 24143 Kiel (Germany) http://www.pfennigsolutions.de/ XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Thilo_Pfennig - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tpfennig -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Claus Schwarm schrieb: >> It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are >> rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That >> was the central problem of gnomefiles. >> >> > > Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has. > Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most > linuxbased FLOSS has. The importance I can see with gnomefiles.org is that it focuses on intermediate users, those that can afford to install some development packages, then run ./configure, make, sudo make install. These users have a higher chance to pick up a project of their own, and convert to GNOME developers later on. Simos -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Simos Xenitellis schrieb: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Claus Schwarm schrieb: >> >>> It's just not as efficient as for other platforms because releases are >>> rather boring if they cannot be installed easily and immediately. That >>> was the central problem of gnomefiles. >>> >>> >>> >> Not specific to gnomefiles.org. Thats the same problem gnome.org has. >> Like new GNOME but you have to compile yourself. Also same problem most >> linuxbased FLOSS has. >> > > The importance I can see with gnomefiles.org is that it focuses on > intermediate users, > those that can afford to install some development packages, then run > ./configure, make, sudo make install. > These users have a higher chance to pick up a project of their own, > and convert to GNOME developers later on. > > Simos > Maybe a revision based directory would be cool. Like every distro has another version of an application. They then could link to one directory with &version=2.22&rev=0 or so - this would enable the view of one application to be exact that of the linked version. So actually very wiki-like, except that the revisions would be hardcoded. So this descriptions could be used by every package manager and distribution. Distributions may want to add some bits if they patch a version. But that would be much nicer than of every distro needs to essentially copy and paste the same bits. This could also be matched to a RSS feed, so that people see when which version or description was updated. Regards, Thilo -- Thilo Pfennig - PfennigSolutions IT-Beratung- Wiki-Systeme Sandkrug 28 - 24143 Kiel (Germany) http://www.pfennigsolutions.de/ XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Thilo_Pfennig - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tpfennig -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Can we not just port the existing gnomefiles website over? It is better than nothing. We haev http://www.gtk-apps.org. But I'm not very enthuisastica bout this site and it's application list is not complete. sri On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Hi, > > according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and > she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1] > > It currently re-directs to osnews.com. > > It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more > software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on > the software map page as well [3]. > > > Cheers, > Claus > > > [1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html > [2] http://www.gnome.org/community/ > [3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Can we not just port the existing gnomefiles website over? It is better than nothing. We haev http://www.gtk-apps.org. But I'm not very enthuisastica bout this site and it's application list is not complete. sri From http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php: "The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia Loli. OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source code under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This repository engine can be easily modified to store documents, music or any other item that can be categorized. If you are interested in purchasing or licensing the source code, email Eugenia directly at..." Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves? It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a important gap. If we can't host it ourselves, I'm interesting in start designing something new if someone is willing to help with the code. - Andreas On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: Hi, according to a post by Eugenia Loli-Queru, GNOME files was hacked and she has no intentions to re-activate the site.[1] It currently re-directs to osnews.com. It would be nice if someone could remove the paragraph 'Get more software' on the GNOME community page [2] and maybe the link on the software map page as well [3]. Cheers, Claus [1] http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2897/goodbye_gnomefiles.html [2] http://www.gnome.org/community/ [3] http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Hi, Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> From > http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php: > "The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia Loli. > OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source code > under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This repository engine > can be easily modified to store documents, music or any other item that > can be categorized. If you are interested in purchasing or licensing the > source code, email Eugenia directly at..." > > Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves? > It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a important gap. Welcome to the world of proprietary software. Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Hi, On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:31:21 +0200 Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From > http://web.archive.org/web/20071212224222/www.gnomefiles.org/contact.php: > "The developer & owner of Gnomefiles' PHP source code is Eugenia > Loli. OSNews LLC (the company behind GnomeFiles) is using the source > code under a special licensing condition (at no cost). This > repository engine can be easily modified to store documents, music or > any other item that can be categorized. If you are interested in > purchasing or licensing the source code, email Eugenia directly at..." > > Does this mean we can't pick up the code and host it ourselves? Seems so. > It would be cool to get at least the data. The site filled a > important gap. If we can't host it ourselves, I'm interesting in > start designing something new if someone is willing to help with the > code. I've once helped write something similar, called GnomeApps. [1] Its code is still available but unmaintained. That makes is unsuitable to use. Also, the data is outdated. Finding developers wasn't much of a problem back then. Today, it would be even easier, with frameworks such as Django [1]. However, you would need someone (or a team) to manage the whole thing, provided you get a database backup. That could be the tricky part. Cheers, Claus [1] http://gnome-apps.berlios.de/ [2] http://www.djangoproject.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
