Re: [Marxism] A simple slogan [Re: American-style]

2010-10-21 Thread Glenn Parton
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Ok, thanks for the clarification.
 
. The comments were 
 directed towards to the US, where I know there is no widespread embrace of 
 socialist consciousness.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Marxism] A simple slogan [Re: American-style]

2010-10-20 Thread S. Artesian
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We don't need a Father Gapon.



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Re: [Marxism] A simple slogan [Re: American-style]

2010-10-20 Thread Nestor Gorojovsky
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El 20/10/2010 06:08 p.m., Glenn Parton escribió:
 
 
 
  I don't get your comment? What do you mean?
 
 
  We don't need a Father Gapon.

I have skipped the mail you´re answerting to. But I guess that the 
author (unbeknownst to me, though I have an idea) adheres to the 
position that the French masses are already full of socialist 
consciousness and need no particular mediation to storm the Élysée.

So be it.

I am just chattering about a country too far away and too high above my 
poor Argentinean, simple-minded, senses. Others, certainly, know better 
than me.

However, may I recall everybody here that last time I checked the now 
revolted French masses had held no demonstration against the colonialist 
crimes of their own bourgeoisie in Africa so that at least on THIS level 
a good old Father Gapon may still be of some use lest the whole thing 
boils down to a violent demonstration of rage because they are forced 
not to eat as many scraps from the banquet as they were used to.



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Re: [Marxism] A simple slogan [Re: American-style]

2010-10-20 Thread S. Artesian
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Here's what was written by NG:

I am not USAmerican, of course, and I am not prone to have a saying on
issues where I am not directly involved.

But I guess this simple slogan, when gathering Black Americans, is
somehow a reminder of another simple slogan, Peace, Bread, Land.

Where´s a Father Gapon when you need one?

Had nothing to do with the current struggle in France.  The comments were 
directed towards to the US, where I know there is no widespread embrace of 
socialist consciousness.

And we'll never get an embrace of socialist consciousness by wistfully 
looking for a Father Gapon to lead a march to prick the conscience of the 
little king, or whatever equivalent  we'll be dredged up, unless of course, 
we're planning for workers to be shot down or sabered by Cossacks.

We're well past the era, if one ever existed, where a Father Gapon figure 
can act as anything other than an obstacle.


Actually, we have plenty of  Father Gapons around the world.  We call them 
NGOs.




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Re: [Marxism] A simple slogan [Re: American-style]

2010-10-19 Thread Manuel Barrera
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Nestor wrote: But I guess this simple slogan, when gathering Black Americans, 
is somehow a reminder of another simple slogan, Peace, Bread, Land.

In the  meantime, Solidarité with the French workers and students would 
certainly be appropriate. 

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