Re: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?

2002-02-26 Thread Guenter Waibel 

Hi everybody,

as Rob has already mentioned, Amalyah's post (and the subsequent 
ideas) started very successful negotiations behind the scenes between 
the Standards & Vocabulary SIG and the Digital Media SIG about 
co-sponsoring a session about longevity. The current discussion again 
confirms the interest in the topic - it also came up in the Digital 
Imaging SIG meeting in Cincinnati as one of the requested session 
topics.


If anybody has suggestions for speakers, Rob and I'd be glad to 
receive them. I'd be especially interested in having speakers who 
will talk about DVD-R storage in the hardmedia realm, and DIG35 and 
the soon-to-be NISO Standard on digital still images in the realm of 
metadata.


And somebody convince Jim to ship that exhibit on media storage from 
Glasgow to Toronto...:-)


Cheers,
Guenter



Hi Amalyah et al,

I think this would be an important session for anyone involved in digital
archiving.  Perhaps we could even have a mini exhibition of media storage
in the exhibition hall?  We had an exhibition here some years back which
dealt with 40 years of computing at the University of Glasgow and one of
the most commented on exhibits was the range of storage devices we had,
from giant 4 foot disks which in the 60s stored 250K to Jaz cartridges etc,
which were then one of the lateest things.

Cheers,

Jim.

At 3:39 pm +0200 26/2/02, Amalyah Keshet wrote:

Just a  thought:   Perhaps the Digital Imaging SIG could  propose a
session on the longevity (or lack thereof) of digital storage  media, for
the 2002 annual conference?   The theme of the conference will be "In it
for the  long haul --- technology programs that go the distance,"  so this
would be  an appropriate issue.  Each SIG is to come up with at least one
session  proposal -- and proposals are due on April 5.  See: 
http://www.mcn.edu/2002cfp.htm amalyah keshet

head of image resources &  copyright management
the israel museum, jerusalemwww.imj.org.il
board of directors, museum  computer network   www.mcn.edu (From
ImageLib):   > I thought the Kodak Gold Ultima disks were  virtually
indestructible and was disappointed when Kodak stopped distributing  them.
After looking around for a replacement, I switched to Mitsui, the only
other manufacturer I could find that offered a disk with Phthalocyanine
dye and  a gold reflective layer. They're supposed to be coated for
durability. Mitsui  will send you samples on request and they've been very
fast with shipments.  


 At one point, Mitsui offered an "archival" gold disk, but their
representative tells me that those were discontinued and now all Mitsui
gold  disks are manufactured to the same standard.

 I think Mitsui  claims 100 years for their disks, but I think people
also need to know how a  disk stands up under every day use and abuse. So
for the past few years, I've  handed out Kodak disks (with digital images
on them) on the first day of my  digital imaging class. I would ask
students to "stress test" them, and then a  few weeks later, when we
discussed the longevity of digital media, we'd pull  them out and compare
notes.

 The Kodak disks survived 25 days  under water (which I thought would
open their laminated surfaced). They've been  buried  in a garden, placed
on the rear package shelf under a car window  (which is hot!), tied to
car bumpers, played with all day in a kindergarten  class  .. you name
it.  The only things that never failed to  destroy  the disks were deep

 >>scratches and nail polish remover (no surprise  there).
 >>
 >> I'll let you know how the Mitsui disks fare later this  year.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Robert Leopold
 >> Archives &  Collections Information Manager

 Department of Anthropology, National  Museum of Natural History
 Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.  20560-0152

 Visit us online: www.nmnh.si.edu/naa

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Hunterian Museum and Art Gallery
University of Glasgow
Glasgow
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  ++ 44 (0)141 330 2689 (Digital Imaging Studio)
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Re: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?

2002-02-26 Thread Jim Devine 
Hi Amalyah et al,

I think this would be an important session for anyone involved in digital
archiving.  Perhaps we could even have a mini exhibition of media storage
in the exhibition hall?  We had an exhibition here some years back which
dealt with 40 years of computing at the University of Glasgow and one of
the most commented on exhibits was the range of storage devices we had,
 from giant 4 foot disks which in the 60s stored 250K to Jaz cartridges etc,
which were then one of the lateest things.

Cheers,

Jim.

At 3:39 pm +0200 26/2/02, Amalyah Keshet wrote:
>Just a  thought:   Perhaps the Digital Imaging SIG could  propose a
>session on the longevity (or lack thereof) of digital storage  media, for
>the 2002 annual conference?   The theme of the conference will be "In it
>for the  long haul --- technology programs that go the distance,"  so this
>would be  an appropriate issue.  Each SIG is to come up with at least one
>session  proposal -- and proposals are due on April 5.  See:  
>http://www.mcn.edu/2002cfp.htm amalyah keshet
>head of image resources &  copyright management
>the israel museum, jerusalemwww.imj.org.il
>board of directors, museum  computer network   www.mcn.edu (From
>ImageLib):   > I thought the Kodak Gold Ultima disks were  virtually
>indestructible and was disappointed when Kodak stopped distributing  them.
>After looking around for a replacement, I switched to Mitsui, the only
>other manufacturer I could find that offered a disk with Phthalocyanine
>dye and  a gold reflective layer. They're supposed to be coated for
>durability. Mitsui  will send you samples on request and they've been very
>fast with shipments.  
>>
>> At one point, Mitsui offered an "archival" gold disk, but their
>>representative tells me that those were discontinued and now all Mitsui
>>gold  disks are manufactured to the same standard.
>>
>> I think Mitsui  claims 100 years for their disks, but I think people
>>also need to know how a  disk stands up under every day use and abuse. So
>>for the past few years, I've  handed out Kodak disks (with digital images
>>on them) on the first day of my  digital imaging class. I would ask
>>students to "stress test" them, and then a  few weeks later, when we
>>discussed the longevity of digital media, we'd pull  them out and compare
>>notes.
>>
>> The Kodak disks survived 25 days  under water (which I thought would
>>open their laminated surfaced). They've been  buried  in a garden, placed
>>on the rear package shelf under a car window  (which is hot!), tied to
>>car bumpers, played with all day in a kindergarten  class  .. you name
>>it.  The only things that never failed to  destroy  the disks were deep
>>scratches and nail polish remover (no surprise  there).
>>
>> I'll let you know how the Mitsui disks fare later this  year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Leopold
>> Archives &  Collections Information Manager
>> Department of Anthropology, National  Museum of Natural History
>> Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.  20560-0152
>>
>> Visit us online: www.nmnh.si.edu/naa
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Jim Devine
Head of Education and Digital Media Resources
Hunterian Museum and Art Gallery
University of Glasgow
Glasgow
G12 8QQ
Scotland

Tel: ++ 44 (0)141 330 3691 (Direct)
  ++ 44 (0)141 330 2689 (Digital Imaging Studio)
  ++ 44 (0)141 330 4221 (Museum)
Fax: ++ 44 (0)141 330 3617
email: jdev...@museum.gla.ac.uk
web: http://www.hunterian.gla.ac.uk
http://www.gla.ac.uk/museum/people/jdevine/jim.html



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Re: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?

2002-02-26 Thread Kathi Martin 

Hello everyone,

I am in the final stages of a paper "Good, Better, Best: A Small
Collection Reorganizes for the Future" which addresses incorporating
OAI/MOAC data and image standards into the digital archiving process for
small institutions. I even have a white paper I've created for the
development team and photographer to reference. I'm in, if you want
me.

Kathi Martin
Director, Drexel Digital Museum Project
http://digimuse.cis.drexel.edu

At 09:55 AM 2/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
Amalyah
et al,
 
As conference co-chair, I think
this is a great suggestion and hope that someone will step up with a
proposal ...
 
Thanks,
 
Greg 

Greg Spurgeon 
Documentation Manager / Gestionnaire à la documentation 
Collections Management / Gestion des collections 
National Gallery of Canada / Musée des beaux-arts du Canada 
380 Sussex Drive / 380, promenade Sussex 
P.O. Box 427, Station A / C.P. 427, succursale A 
Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9N4 

-Original Message-
From: Amalyah Keshet
[mailto:akes...@imj.org.il]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:39 AM
To: mcn-l@mcn.edu
Subject: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?


Just a thought:
 
Perhaps the Digital Imaging SIG could propose a session on the
longevity (or lack thereof) of digital storage media, for the 2002 annual
conference?
 
The theme of the conference will be "In it for the long haul ---
technology programs that go the distance,"  so this would be an
appropriate issue.  Each SIG is to come up with at least one session
proposal -- and proposals are due on April 5.  See:
 
http://www.mcn.edu/2002cfp.htm
 
 
amalyah keshet
head of image resources & copyright management
the israel museum, jerusalem   
www.imj.org.il
board of directors, museum computer network  
www.mcn.edu
 
 
(From ImageLib):
 
> I thought the Kodak Gold Ultima disks were virtually
indestructible and was disappointed when Kodak stopped distributing them.
After looking around for a replacement, I switched to Mitsui, the only
other manufacturer I could find that offered a disk with Phthalocyanine
dye and a gold reflective layer. They're supposed to be coated for
durability. Mitsui will send you samples on request and they've been very
fast with shipments.

> 
> At one point, Mitsui offered an "archival" gold disk,
but their representative tells me that those were discontinued and now
all Mitsui gold disks are manufactured to the same standard.
> 
> I think Mitsui claims 100 years for their disks, but I think
people also need to know how a disk stands up under every day use and
abuse. So for the past few years, I've handed out Kodak disks (with
digital images on them) on the first day of my digital imaging class. I
would ask students to "stress test" them, and then a few weeks
later, when we discussed the longevity of digital media, we'd pull them
out and compare notes.
> 
> The Kodak disks survived 25 days under water (which I thought
would open their laminated surfaced). They've been buried  in a
garden, placed on the rear package shelf under a car window (which is
hot!), tied to car bumpers, played with all day in a kindergarten
class  .. you name it.  The only things that never failed to
destroy  the disks were deep scratches and nail polish remover (no
surprise there).
> 
> I'll let you know how the Mitsui disks fare later this year.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Leopold
> Archives & Collections Information Manager
> Department of Anthropology, National Museum of Natural History
> Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. 20560-0152
> 
> Visit us online:
www.nmnh.si.edu/naa
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Re: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?

2002-02-26 Thread Rob Lancefield 
Title: RE: DIG IMG SIG:  session for MCN
2002?


Hi all,

There may be a session proposal in the works on issues affecting
digital image longevity in the relevant layers (as it were) of
physical media, disk and file formats, and image metadata, possibly
cosponsored by the Digital Imaging SIG and the Standards &
Controlled Vocabulary SIG; discussion of this is in the earliest
stage, but there should be more news quite soon. Any ideas are
welcome!

best,
Rob
__
rob lancefield  rlancefi...@wesleyan.edu
~ wesleyan university
registrar of collections /  manager of museum information
services
davison art
center    www.wesleyan.edu/dac
301 high street, middletown ct 06459
usa tel.
860.685.2965

co-chair, standards & controlled vocabulary special interest
group
museum computer
network   
www.mcn.edu

At 9:55 AM -0500 2/26/02, Greg Spurgeon wrote:
Amalyah et al,
 
As conference co-chair, I think this is a great
suggestion and hope that someone will step up with a proposal
...
 
Thanks,
 
Greg

Greg Spurgeon
Documentation Manager / Gestionnaire à la documentation
Collections Management / Gestion des collections
National Gallery of Canada / Musée des beaux-arts du Canada
380 Sussex Drive / 380, promenade Sussex
P.O. Box 427, Station A / C.P. 427, succursale A
Ottawa, Ontario K1N 9N4

-Original Message-
From: Amalyah Keshet [mailto:akes...@imj.org.il]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:39 AM
To: mcn-l@mcn.edu
Subject: DIG IMG SIG: session for MCN 2002?

Just a thought:
 
Perhaps the Digital Imaging SIG could
propose a session on the longevity (or lack thereof) of digital
storage media, for the 2002 annual conference?
 
The theme of the conference will be
"In it for the long haul --- technology programs that go the
distance,"  so this would be an appropriate issue. 
Each SIG is to come up with at least one session proposal -- and
proposals are due on April 5.  See:
 
http://www.mcn.edu/2002cfp.htm
 
 
amalyah keshet
head of image resources & copyright management
the israel museum, jerusalem    www.imj.org.il
board of directors, museum computer
network   www.mcn.edu



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