Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

Originally I was thinking that DI made power in a narrower power band and was 
therefore more sensitive to running at high speeds.

Then I had to reconsider because of the 6.2 being IDI but IIRC yours is a 1ton 
truck and probably geared for stump pulling. I'll make an educated guess (I 
think you'd mentioned it once) that the engine is wailing at 65mph...

When I had my '85 190D I did a bunch of experiments and could never find a 
difference in mileage between 4th and 5th. Meaning I'd commute 400 miles never 
using 5th and then the next 400 miles using 5th as I normally would. That car 
averaged 38mpg no matter what. That said I was keeping the speed moderate. I 
suspect if I was at 90mph the difference would become apparent.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 02:49:44 -0400
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6.2 is idi..Powerstroke is DI.  Benz is idi.  What are you getting at?

Mike
On Aug 31, 2013 12:10 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> This is the textbook difference between direct and indirect injection
> isn't it?
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

6.2 is idi..Powerstroke is DI.  Benz is idi.  What are you getting at?

Mike
On Aug 31, 2013 12:10 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> This is the textbook difference between direct and indirect injection
> isn't it?
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:18:34 -0400
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> I disagree.  I own nothing but Diesels of many types and every one but the
> Mercedes is very sensitive to RPM when efficiency is in mind.   Only the
> Benz seems to like to rev and still get great figures.  My Powerstroke will
> pull near 22 mpg if you never let it over 2000rpm while towing a 6500 pound
> truck.  It gets 16 if you don't.  My 6.2 will pull 25 empty @55mph but run
> 65 with no OD and it drops dramatically to 15.
>
> Google high mpg Cummins.  There are trucks out there that will go like hell
> and are pulling 50+ empty.
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Fmiser]

> > Michael Canfield wrote:
> >
> >   My 6.2 will pull 25 empty @55mph but run 65 with no
> > OD and it drops dramatically to 15.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> This is the textbook difference between direct and indirect
> injection isn't it?

The GM 6.2L is indirect injection.  And that _shouldn't_ make a
difference from a theoretical standpoint.  Reality may be different.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

This is the textbook difference between direct and indirect injection isn't it?

-Curt


Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:18:34 -0400
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I disagree.  I own nothing but Diesels of many types and every one but the
Mercedes is very sensitive to RPM when efficiency is in mind.   Only the
Benz seems to like to rev and still get great figures.  My Powerstroke will
pull near 22 mpg if you never let it over 2000rpm while towing a 6500 pound
truck.  It gets 16 if you don't.  My 6.2 will pull 25 empty @55mph but run
65 with no OD and it drops dramatically to 15.

Google high mpg Cummins.  There are trucks out there that will go like hell
and are pulling 50+ empty.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

I'm given to understand that all the kids looking for lowest RPM are barking up 
the wrong tree as you want the turbo spinning to increase efficiency and fuel 
economy...

-Curt


Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:58:54 -0700
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> A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
> highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol

Why 50 mpg?  It's a diesel, they're not quite as sensitive to
RPM as a gasser.  You can get a solid 25MPG in the truck if you
keep it under 1800 RPM, which is (I've heard) its sweet spot.
But 50?

Also, do remember that at low RPM's the torque out of that
engine is very 'lobey', it could beat your drivetrain to
pieces.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Fmiser]

> Randy wrote:
> 
> A Checker should have enough room to drop in a Cummins from a
> Dodge pickup truck.

Minor point, the Cummins B-series, 6 cylinder, turbo (6BT) is used
in Dodge pickups, but that's not the only place to find them.  They
were used in truck chassis up to class 6 at least.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

I disagree.  I own nothing but Diesels of many types and every one but the
Mercedes is very sensitive to RPM when efficiency is in mind.   Only the
Benz seems to like to rev and still get great figures.  My Powerstroke will
pull near 22 mpg if you never let it over 2000rpm while towing a 6500 pound
truck.  It gets 16 if you don't.  My 6.2 will pull 25 empty @55mph but run
65 with no OD and it drops dramatically to 15.

Google high mpg Cummins.  There are trucks out there that will go like hell
and are pulling 50+ empty.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 10:59 PM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:

> A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
>> highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol
>>
>
> Why 50 mpg?  It's a diesel, they're not quite as sensitive to
> RPM as a gasser.  You can get a solid 25MPG in the truck if you
> keep it under 1800 RPM, which is (I've heard) its sweet spot.
> But 50?
>
> Also, do remember that at low RPM's the torque out of that
> engine is very 'lobey', it could beat your drivetrain to
> pieces.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[clay]

Do you not have the option to get it insured as a classic?  That way you can 
set a good payout that would keep the vandals from killing it, as you will be 
able to fund a rebuild.  The parts are shared with the R107, so you should have 
a reasonable source of parts for a long while.  Not so lucky with sheet metal.  
You might need to found a 114/115 rescue club to scour PnP for high quality 
body panels.


clay


On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

> 
> That is what I have the 76 115 300D for. It is the toy. The truck is the 
> daily driver.
> I am already getting concerned that the 300D is too "rare". Parts seem 
> readily available but my concern is that it will be noticed because it is 
> "different" and be targeted by vandals on parking lots etc. Not too much 
> concern close by in the day time but leaving it out over night concerns me 
> etc. If it were vandalized the insurance people would write it off in a 
> minute.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 30/08/2013 2:28 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>> Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
>> tool.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>>> 
 The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
 vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
 shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
 more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
 It is a true collectors piece.
 
 Mike
 
 
  Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing that I
>>> want.
>>> When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
>>> The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
>>> them on the shelf.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Jim Cathey]

A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol


Why 50 mpg?  It's a diesel, they're not quite as sensitive to
RPM as a gasser.  You can get a solid 25MPG in the truck if you
keep it under 1800 RPM, which is (I've heard) its sweet spot.
But 50?

Also, do remember that at low RPM's the torque out of that
engine is very 'lobey', it could beat your drivetrain to
pieces.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, well, certainly you don't have to seek out a "ford specialist" at
$125 an hour to throw 10 grand worth of parts at it hoping something sticks


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> On Aug 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > the reason you buy a ford is not so
> > much that its the greatest car there is, but there are parts everywhere
> > cheap and anyone knows how to fix it.
>
>
> I would argue "the anyone knows how to fix it". Good independent shops are
> a dying breed.
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Jim Cathey]

No problem piling the grocery bags in the back seat of that [Checker].


You can get 27 paper boxes (cases) into the trunk and back
seat of the 126 long body.  Front seats unimpeded.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[OK Don]

The local VW dealer has one in the show room, mostly restored. It's not for
sale, and I don't think they drive it.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

>
>>  We saw some of those "Things" when we were in Hawaii last winter. A good
> vehicle for that climate.
>
> Randy
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

A Checker worthless?  I would love to have one of those ugly old things to
cart my rugrats around in.  Those things were "Mercedes Diesel reliable and
Chevy truck tough".

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 1:49 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a 1960
> cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially thrown away for
> being worthless
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 30, 2013 10:28 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> > >
> > > give it time.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That's the key, isn't it?
> >
> > Jaime keeps telling us to buy up 116s because they're becoming
> > collectible.  Living in the biohipster capital of the world I see lots of
> > clapped-out 300SDs, so it's hard to take him seriously, but I bet he's
> > right.
> >
> > I'm currently watching the prices of 300CE cabrios and Cosworth 190Es,
> > trying to pick up a nice one near the bottom.   I missed my chance on the
> > E30 M3--I remember when they were going for under $10K.  Not going to
> > repeat that mistake if I can.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

once you become a collector car, the cheap simple things goes away.  at a
certain point in history, though, this would be a car to buy and use.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> http://miami.craigslist.org/**pbc/ctd/3990826426.html
>>
>>
>
> Cute, but for $20K+, I think I can find lots of other vehicles I would
> prefer.
> It is sort of like a Miata. They look nice but I don't want one.
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 30, 2013 9:16 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>
> On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>> http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html
>>

If I want to drive a topless car that looks like a Jeep but is less
practical, for $20K I bet I could find an absolutely mint VW Thing.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[WILTON]

I shoulda let my SDL go a year ago when it was vandalized and USAA paid me 
significant money for the damages.  I wanted to let 'er go, but SWMBO 
thought differently, and you know how that went.


Wilton
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That is what I have the 76 115 300D for. It is the toy. The truck is the 
daily driver.
I am already getting concerned that the 300D is too "rare". Parts seem 
readily available but my concern is that it will be noticed because it is 
"different" and be targeted by vandals on parking lots etc. Not too much 
concern close by in the day time but leaving it out over night concerns me 
etc. If it were vandalized the insurance people would write it off in a 
minute.


Randy

On 30/08/2013 2:28 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
tool.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the 
much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands 
of.

It is a true collectors piece.

Mike


  Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing 
that I

want.
When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
them on the shelf.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Rich Thomas]

My buddy in high school had a Checker cab his dad bought at a charity 
auction for $500.  It had been cleaned up and painted baby blue.  He 
gave everyone rides home in it, could get at least 8 or 10 kids in there 
with the jump seats that folded down in the back.  He drove it for a 
coupla years then his sister got it and drove it through HS, I think it 
finally just died and they got a new Toyota Celica, the first one.  The 
guy had told his dad it was "sporty" and could be driven hard.  It was 
new one summer when he came home from college, he thrashed the hell out 
of the thing, being as it was "sporty" but it pretty much held up for a 
few years.


--R


On 8/30/13 4:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol

Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the line,
efficient, etc

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:


Gary wrote:

when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
thrown away for being worthless

Alex wrote:

Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
daily driver.

I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.

Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

i have the opposite outlook.  i'd want one with the ancient continental
truck engine

they were worthless.  i think the going rate for an ex NYC cab was 300
dollars.  you'd buy one.  drive it until something broke that cost over 50
bucks.  then throw it away


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2013 10:49 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a 1960
> > cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially thrown away for
> > being worthless
> >
>
> Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to get a nice
> well-preserved one and do nothing to it except replacing the engine with a
> crate small-block, then use it as a daily driver.
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[WILTON]

Yep, I remember when they were brand new.  Theater owner in my small home 
town in eastern NC bought a yellow one and kept it parked in front of the 
theater.  Whaddya think it may have cost him then - $1200, maybe?


Wilton

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On Aug 30, 2013 9:16 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:


http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html



If I want to drive a topless car that looks like a Jeep but is less
practical, for $20K I bet I could find an absolutely mint VW Thing.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Dan Penoff]

I tried to find a Checker when I was in high school, mainly for the interior 
size and significant number of bodies it could carry.  I could never seem to 
find one when I was in the market, though.

My second choice was a beautiful 1965 Cadillac hearse that my buddy's dad 
(local funeral director) was selling for $500.  As one might expect, it was low 
miles and absolutely pristine.

Dad said there was "No way in hell you're parking a hearse in my driveway!!"

So I ended up with a 1960 barn door VW van.  "Der PartyVagon" was airbrushed on 
the sides in Gothic looking type courtesy of a female friend who came over to 
the house on a regular basis to use our air system to do airbrush work.

The van, especially after Jackie's airbrush work (which was very nice, I 
thought) pissed the old man off even more.  Not long before he died we were 
reminiscing about the cars we had around the house over the years and he 
confided to me that he wished I had gotten the hearse instead

Dan

 
On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> My buddy in high school had a Checker cab his dad bought at a charity auction 
> for $500.  It had been cleaned up and painted baby blue.  He gave everyone 
> rides home in it, could get at least 8 or 10 kids in there with the jump 
> seats that folded down in the back.  He drove it for a coupla years then his 
> sister got it and drove it through HS, I think it finally just died and they 
> got a new Toyota Celica, the first one.  The guy had told his dad it was 
> "sporty" and could be driven hard.  It was new one summer when he came home 
> from college, he thrashed the hell out of the thing, being as it was "sporty" 
> but it pretty much held up for a few years.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 8/30/13 4:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>> A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
>> highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol
>> 
>> Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the line,
>> efficient, etc
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>> 
> Gary wrote:
> 
> when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
> 1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
> thrown away for being worthless
 Alex wrote:
 
 Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
 get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
 replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
 daily driver.
>>> I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
>>> So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.
>>> 
>>> Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

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On Aug 30, 2013 10:49 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a 1960
> cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially thrown away for
> being worthless
>

Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to get a nice
well-preserved one and do nothing to it except replacing the engine with a
crate small-block, then use it as a daily driver.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a 1960
cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially thrown away for
being worthless


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2013 10:28 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > give it time.
> >
> >
>
> That's the key, isn't it?
>
> Jaime keeps telling us to buy up 116s because they're becoming
> collectible.  Living in the biohipster capital of the world I see lots of
> clapped-out 300SDs, so it's hard to take him seriously, but I bet he's
> right.
>
> I'm currently watching the prices of 300CE cabrios and Cosworth 190Es,
> trying to pick up a nice one near the bottom.   I missed my chance on the
> E30 M3--I remember when they were going for under $10K.  Not going to
> repeat that mistake if I can.
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

checker had a wagon version back when they were still making passenger
cars.  i've always wanted one but never even seen one


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> My buddy in high school had a Checker cab his dad bought at a charity
> auction for $500.  It had been cleaned up and painted baby blue.  He gave
> everyone rides home in it, could get at least 8 or 10 kids in there with
> the jump seats that folded down in the back.  He drove it for a coupla
> years then his sister got it and drove it through HS, I think it finally
> just died and they got a new Toyota Celica, the first one.  The guy had
> told his dad it was "sporty" and could be driven hard.  It was new one
> summer when he came home from college, he thrashed the hell out of the
> thing, being as it was "sporty" but it pretty much held up for a few years.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/30/13 4:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
>> highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol
>>
>> Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the line,
>> efficient, etc
>>
>> Mike
>> On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>>
>>  Gary wrote:
>
> when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
> 1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
> thrown away for being worthless
>
 Alex wrote:

 Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
 get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
 replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
 daily driver.

>>> I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
>>> So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.
>>>
>>> Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

another example of a simple and direct car that has become valuable.  hell,
even starlets and chevettes have become valuable!



On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain
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> On Aug 30, 2013 9:16 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
> >
> > On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >>
> >> http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html
> >>
>
> If I want to drive a topless car that looks like a Jeep but is less
> practical, for $20K I bet I could find an absolutely mint VW Thing.
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
It is a true collectors piece.

Mike

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 30, 2013 10:28 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> give it time.
>
>

That's the key, isn't it?

Jaime keeps telling us to buy up 116s because they're becoming
collectible.  Living in the biohipster capital of the world I see lots of
clapped-out 300SDs, so it's hard to take him seriously, but I bet he's
right.

I'm currently watching the prices of 300CE cabrios and Cosworth 190Es,
trying to pick up a nice one near the bottom.   I missed my chance on the
E30 M3--I remember when they were going for under $10K.  Not going to
repeat that mistake if I can.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

That is what I am doing. It is not a show car.

Randy

On 30/08/2013 2:40 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

You worry too much.  Just drive it and hope for the best.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:33 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


That is what I have the 76 115 300D for. It is the toy. The truck is the
daily driver.
I am already getting concerned that the 300D is too "rare". Parts seem
readily available but my concern is that it will be noticed because it is
"different" and be targeted by vandals on parking lots etc. Not too much
concern close by in the day time but leaving it out over night concerns me
etc. If it were vandalized the insurance people would write it off in a
minute.

Randy

On 30/08/2013 2:28 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
tool.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

  On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

  The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other

vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the
much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
It is a true collectors piece.

Mike


   Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing
that I


want.
When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
them on the shelf.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

You worry too much.  Just drive it and hope for the best.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:33 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

>
> That is what I have the 76 115 300D for. It is the toy. The truck is the
> daily driver.
> I am already getting concerned that the 300D is too "rare". Parts seem
> readily available but my concern is that it will be noticed because it is
> "different" and be targeted by vandals on parking lots etc. Not too much
> concern close by in the day time but leaving it out over night concerns me
> etc. If it were vandalized the insurance people would write it off in a
> minute.
>
> Randy
>
> On 30/08/2013 2:28 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
>> tool.
>>
>> Mike
>> On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>>
>>  On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>>>
>>>  The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
 vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
 shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the
 much
 more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
 It is a true collectors piece.

 Mike


   Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing
 that I

>>> want.
>>> When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
>>> The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
>>> them on the shelf.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

Who in the world compares a 70s or 80s car to a 50s car? Besides which while 
the 300CD is a low production car the 300D and 240D and 300TD are not. Most 
people don't see the difference. There was no 4 door Jeepster variant to drive 
prices down.


You want strange value price out a VW Caddy.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:28:34 -0400
From: Gary Hurst 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
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give it time.

back in the 80s, minis in england and bugs in CA would sell for a couple of
hundred bucks in usable condition.  both are worth real money today

as i mentioned, toyota starlets and even chevettes are worth money today

in a decade or two, the 300CD will be a valuable collectable and your dying
words will be "i coulda had one for 2 grand and it was nice too!"



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> But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only
> 5K made.  Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a
> stable full.
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

And I have a solid bodied 79 CD sitting on blocks in the back yard that I
have been robbing parts from because no one wants to buy it.  Terrible
really.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 1:23 PM, "Richard Hattaway" 
wrote:

> But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only
> 5K made.  Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a
> stable full.
>
>
> 
>  From: Michael Canfield 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
>
>
> The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
> vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
> shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
> more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
> It is a true collectors piece.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
> On Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

they were perceived as worthless.  but they were GREAT cars


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> A Checker worthless?  I would love to have one of those ugly old things to
> cart my rugrats around in.  Those things were "Mercedes Diesel reliable and
> Chevy truck tough".
>
> Mike
> On Aug 30, 2013 1:49 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a 1960
> > cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially thrown away for
> > being worthless
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 30, 2013 10:28 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > give it time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's the key, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Jaime keeps telling us to buy up 116s because they're becoming
> > > collectible.  Living in the biohipster capital of the world I see lots
> of
> > > clapped-out 300SDs, so it's hard to take him seriously, but I bet he's
> > > right.
> > >
> > > I'm currently watching the prices of 300CE cabrios and Cosworth 190Es,
> > > trying to pick up a nice one near the bottom.   I missed my chance on
> the
> > > E30 M3--I remember when they were going for under $10K.  Not going to
> > > repeat that mistake if I can.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html




Cute, but for $20K+, I think I can find lots of other vehicles I would 
prefer.

It is sort of like a Miata. They look nice but I don't want one.

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Richard Hattaway]

My dying words will come in less than one decade if history serves correctly, 
and they will be more along the line of 'does anyone have a good microbrew 
handy?' .. 



 From: Gary Hurst 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
 

give it time.

back in the 80s, minis in england and bugs in CA would sell for a couple of
hundred bucks in usable condition.  both are worth real money today

as i mentioned, toyota starlets and even chevettes are worth money today

in a decade or two, the 300CD will be a valuable collectable and your dying
words will be "i coulda had one for 2 grand and it was nice too!"



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> But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only
> 5K made.  Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a
> stable full.
>
>
> 
>  From: Michael Canfield 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
>
>
> The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
> vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
> shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
> more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
> It is a true collectors piece.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
> On Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Rich Thomas]

The mother of this girl I worked with in Houston lived close to me, she 
had a Checker done up like an old taxi -- yellow with some sort of 
logo.  It was her daily driver.  I'd see her tooling around in it quite 
often, and see it parked on the street by her condo.


--R


On 8/30/13 5:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
A Checker should have enough room to drop in a Cummins from a Dodge 
pickup truck.


I remember when I was but a young fellow, I worked a couple of summers 
in a grocery store out at the lake. That would have been probably 
about 1965 and 1966 or maybe 1967.
One of my jobs was to help pack food orders and then carry them out to 
the customer's car. One of the regular customers had a Checker sedan. 
Lovely big thing. No problem piling the grocery bags in the back seat 
of that thing.


Randy

On 30/08/2013 3:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol

Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the 
line,

efficient, etc

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:


Gary wrote:

when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
thrown away for being worthless

Alex wrote:

Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
daily driver.

I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.

Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> the reason you buy a ford is not so
> much that its the greatest car there is, but there are parts everywhere
> cheap and anyone knows how to fix it.


I would argue "the anyone knows how to fix it". Good independent shops are a 
dying breed. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

A Checker should have enough room to drop in a Cummins from a Dodge 
pickup truck.


I remember when I was but a young fellow, I worked a couple of summers 
in a grocery store out at the lake. That would have been probably about 
1965 and 1966 or maybe 1967.
One of my jobs was to help pack food orders and then carry them out to 
the customer's car. One of the regular customers had a Checker sedan. 
Lovely big thing. No problem piling the grocery bags in the back seat of 
that thing.


Randy

On 30/08/2013 3:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol

Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the line,
efficient, etc

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:


Gary wrote:

when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
thrown away for being worthless

Alex wrote:

Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
daily driver.

I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.

Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

i agree with that.  what makes a car really work long term is cheap and
plentiful parts and ease of service.  the reason you buy a ford is not so
much that its the greatest car there is, but there are parts everywhere
cheap and anyone knows how to fix it.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
>> vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
>> shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
>> more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
>> It is a true collectors piece.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>  Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing that I
> want.
> When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
> The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
> them on the shelf.
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

A twin turbo 1000hp 6bt with a triple overdrive for ridiculous low rpm
highway cruising and 50mpg or better is what I had in mind..lol

Would be near bulletproof, hot enough to smoke near anything off the line,
efficient, etc

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 2:24 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:

> > > Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
> > > 1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
> > > thrown away for being worthless
>
> > Alex wrote:
> >
> > Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
> > get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
> > replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
> > daily driver.
>
> I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
> So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.
>
> Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

That is what I have the 76 115 300D for. It is the toy. The truck is the 
daily driver.
I am already getting concerned that the 300D is too "rare". Parts seem 
readily available but my concern is that it will be noticed because it 
is "different" and be targeted by vandals on parking lots etc. Not too 
much concern close by in the day time but leaving it out over night 
concerns me etc. If it were vandalized the insurance people would write 
it off in a minute.


Randy

On 30/08/2013 2:28 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
tool.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
It is a true collectors piece.

Mike


  Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing that I

want.
When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
them on the shelf.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Michael Canfield]

Well duh, for a daily driver.  Of which this is not.  It is a toy, not a
tool.

Mike
On Aug 30, 2013 3:20 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
>> vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
>> shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
>> more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
>> It is a true collectors piece.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>  Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing that I
> want.
> When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
> The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have
> them on the shelf.
>
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

On 30/08/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
It is a true collectors piece.

Mike


Maybe I have things backwards, but a "rare" car is the last thing that I 
want.

When I buy parts, I like the vehicle to be as generic as it can be.
The F150 is a good example. Generally, when I go to get parts, they have 
them on the shelf.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Randy Bennell]

On 30/08/2013 12:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Aug 30, 2013 9:16 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

On 30/08/2013 2:04 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html


If I want to drive a topless car that looks like a Jeep but is less
practical, for $20K I bet I could find an absolutely mint VW Thing.

Alex
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vehicle for that climate.


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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Fmiser]

> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > when i was a kid, i had an ownership interest in 2 vehicle:  a
> > 1960 cadillac and a 70s checker cab.  both were essentially
> > thrown away for being worthless

> Alex wrote:
> 
> Argh!  I love Checkers.  Haven't seen one in years.  I'd like to
> get a nice well-preserved one and do nothing to it except
> replacing the engine with a crate small-block, then use it as a
> daily driver.

I'd put an OM617 turbo in it.  _That_ would be special - and slow.
So maybe a 4BT - but that would be rough.

Ahh.  A 6BT - that's what a Checker needs!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

give it time.

back in the 80s, minis in england and bugs in CA would sell for a couple of
hundred bucks in usable condition.  both are worth real money today

as i mentioned, toyota starlets and even chevettes are worth money today

in a decade or two, the 300CD will be a valuable collectable and your dying
words will be "i coulda had one for 2 grand and it was nice too!"



On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Richard Hattaway
wrote:

> But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only
> 5K made.  Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a
> stable full.
>
>
> 
>  From: Michael Canfield 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
>
>
> The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
> vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
> shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
> more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
> It is a true collectors piece.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
> On Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html
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Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

[Richard Hattaway]

But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only 5K 
made.  Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a stable full.



 From: Michael Canfield 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
 

The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity.  What other
vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice
shape?  There really was less than 9k of them made.  This is not the much
more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of.
It is a true collectors piece.

Mike

Mike
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