Re: [meteorite-list] Storing thin sections?

[capricorn89]

Bob king wrote <>

Wards www.wardsci.com has several.  The Petrographic slide box is a slotted
wooden box holding 100 27 x 46 mm ts slides.  $ 16.50;  They also have a
750/1500 capacity, 1" x 3" microscope slides $ 385 or 27 x 46 slide size $
585.00; they have some cardboard boxes that store 25 petrographic slides for
$2.99.
(My 2-place holders are only for 25 x 45 thin-sections as those are the
dimensions of the ones I offer.) Thanks for the plug, Bob!  :=)

Hope this helps.  Does anyone know of a walk-in place in the Los Angeles
area?

Ron Hartman
www.meteorite.org
for membrane boxes
www.meteorite1.com
for meteorites/thin-sections (but I'm about sold out of ts' for a couple of
weeks).

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Storing thin sections?


> Greetings all,
> I've sure been enjoying the thread on 'first meteorites.' I can't
> remember now who started it but thanks for a initiating a great idea
> we can all participate in. Now a question. Can anyone help me find
> a small box that holds thin section slides? I've come across a
> number of places that have slide containers but they are for the
> standard-size microscope slide. Ron Hartmann sells a 2-slide
> container which looks very nice but I'm looking for a container that
> might hold up to 25. Thanks very much for any leads.
> Bob
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Re: [meteorite-list] planetary meteorites

[Frank Cressy]

Hello Robert and all,

>From Ron Baalke's website (link below) it looks like there are 19 Mars
meteorites. See http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nwa856.html

>From the Dept. of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Washington University, the
number of Lunar meteorites stands at 21. The link follows:
http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html

There is also a small unnumbered Dhofar meteorite (15 grams) from Oman under
classification that is apparently nearly all maskelynite that is suspected
to have either a Martian or Lunar origin.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Frank

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> Does the current count for planetary meteorites fall at 15 Martian
> meteorites and 14 Lunar meteorites?
> Thanks,
> -Robert Beauford  : )
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Update - InnSuites Meteorite Auction

[Michael Casper]

Excuse me Darryl.. here's a REAL KOOOL auction

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1059015182

hope the link works?

xoxox, MC


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Update - InnSuites Meteorite Auction


>
>
> Hi Folks!
>
> Last chance! I have only twelve (12) slots remaining for consignments for
the Second Annual Meteorite Auction at the InnSuites in Tucson on Sunday,
February 10th.
>
> If you wish to make a consignment, please get in touch QUICKLY!
>
> Further exciting news:
>
> --We have snagged auctioneer Claudia Florian--a former auctioneer for
Phillips & Sothebys--to run this sale;
> --The advertisement in the current issue of Smithsonian has already
resulted in dozens of catalog requests!
> --Meteorites confirmed to be offered include, L'Aigle, NWA482, Camel
Donga, Manych, GV, Steinbach, Chassigny, Barbotan, Mauerkirchen, Ensisheim,
Shalka, Felix, etc.
> --Once again, if you are an exhibitor at the "Arizona Mineral & Fossil
Show," you are entitled to consign one lot without having to pay a
consignor's fee (courtesy of the Macovich Collection and the Great Zinn).
>
>
> The Event: The InnSuites Meteorite Auction
> Date: Sunday, February 10th 10.30 AM
> Location: InnSuites, Tucson / Poolside
> Early Registration/Preview: February 1-9 - 10.00AM - 6.00PM
> Day-of Registration/Preview: February 10 - 9.30-10.30AM
> Number of lots: 100
> Targeted price point: $200 to $25,000
> Lots with no reserve: ~40%
> Consignor's fee: 10.0%
> Buyer's fee: 12.5%
> Limit per consignor: 4 lots
> Sell-through fee: 3%
> Insurance (if desired): 1%
>
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> Why should I consider consigning a meteorite to this sale?
> 1. Guaranteed Interest. This offering will be heavily promoted. We are
also building on an outstanding buzz from last year's sale. Further, a
number of outstanding meteorites will be offered with NO RESERVES;
> 2. Marketing commitment. $4000 in dedicated advertising will be spent
publicizing this event;
> 3. Location. Host to one of Tucson's preeminent shows, the InnSuites is
centrally located and is indisputably Meteorite Central in Tucson;
>
> Where do I sign up?
> Right here. Please fill-in the following info. A formal consignment form
will be sent to you provided that your property is accepted for this
auction. [My interest is only in creating a marketplace for fine meteorites
that are priced to sell, and to present this property to a crowd that is
eager to participate in an auction filled with such opportunities.]
>
> Name
> Street Address
> Apartment or Suite
> City
> State
> Zip
> Daytime phone
> Evening phone
> Email
> Description of each proposed consignment:
> --Slice or End or Complete or Fragment
> --No crust or ~25%, ~50%, ~75% or 95+% crust
> --Condition and extent of weathering
> Measurement (H x W x D):
> Weight:
> Provenance:
> Reserve:
> Will you be present at the auction?
>
>
>
> Can you explain what a "reserve" is? A "reserve" is the absolute lowest
fee that consignors accept PRIOR to the deduction of the 10% consignor's
fee. The reserve is not published in the catalog. However, consignments with
reserves will be indicated in the catalog with a bullet (*).
>
>
> Why would I want a reserve?
> Reserves are used as a mechanism to protect the consignor so that an item
will not sell for too low a price. However, should a consignment's estimated
value be less than $300, no reserve will be allowed.
>
>
> What are "estimated values"?
> A guideline of what it is believed the consignment should bring at
auction.
>
>
> Do you prefer consignments with either no reserve.or low reserves?
> Yes. Consignments with no reserves or modest reserves are far more likely
to result in a successful sale.
>
>
> Can I insist on a high reserve?
> No. If the reserve you wish to set is, in my estimation, too high, I will
refuse the consignment. The philosophy of this sale is to offer choice
merchandise that is attractively priced, which will result in a spirited
marketplace.
>
>
> Are high reserves the only consideration in rejecting a consignment?
> No. If I believe the consignment competes with too many other similar
consignments, it will be rejected. Consignments will be accepted on a
first-come, first-served basis.
>
>
> As a consignor to the InnSuites auction, how much will this cost me?
> If your consignment sells, your cost will be 10% of the hammer price (the
highest bid). If your lot fails to sell, the sell-through fee (and
insurance, if so desired) will result in a cost of either 3% or 4%
(w/insurance) of the reserve price of the consignment.
>
>
> Are there deadlines to be a consignor?
> Yes. As a result of catalog deadlines (paper and cyber) the deadline will
be whenever the twelve slots are filled...my guess is by Tuesday, January
8th.
>
>
> There will be a catalog?
> There will be printed listing available at the InnSuites room 404, as well
a

[meteorite-list] FAQ page down

[ari machiz]

List,

Sorry for the inconvenience, but my list contributed
FAQ page is down. I will inform the list when it is
up.

Happy New Year,

Ari

=
Ari Machiz
www.filmright.net/Mediaright/

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[Mark Miconi]

It would seem that your website is STILL not working. My advise to you is to
stop drinking your own bathwater...LISTEN to what the very knowledgable
people on this list are telling you. Your assumptions that High Pressures
and High Temperatures are foolish...the EARTH is the perfect place for such
conditionsjust ask any diamond. ONLY Proper ANALYSIS can determine if
any rock is a meteorite, not the silly assumptions you are making. I am the
fartherest thing from an expert on this list but I do know better.

Mark M.
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> Dear All;
> I was amazed how so many of you quickley gave me a negative reply.
Actually
> maybe it is my mistake; the site (especially the gallery) was not working
> properly. And maybe I concentrated on the crystals and left out whole
> samples which looks more like what is avaialable in meteorite sites.
>
> With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a
> meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial.
>
> Although I am not an expert in the field, but I am a physicist, PhD
student
> in Cosmology, and during the last few months I visited almost all sites
> about meteorites and read a few books. I tried all pre-tests on these
rocks
> and they passed. Only after that I put them on the internet. So how come
> most of you say these rocks do not look like meteorites at all!!! Again,
> maybe it is my mistake; the site is not informative enough. Please also
> excuse my poor English.
>
> However, I have updated the site today, and now the gallery should be
> working nicely. Please revisit the site if you are interested:
>
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html
>
> Please also try to solve with me the fossil riddle; I know it is not
> possible to have such fossils in a meteorite but this is what I found.
> Do you also know what those white rocks might be.
> It also seems to me that I have more than one kind of meteorite, but all
are
> from the same area. Is this possible?
> Please do not ignore this letter if you can help.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Mohamed H Yousef
> ---
>
>
>
> >From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: suspected meteorite
> >Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:15:20 +
> >
> >Dear Sirs;
> >
> >Please help me to identify this importannt meteorite.
> >Information and pictures in the following site:
> >
> >http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html
> >
> >Sincerely
> >
> >Mohamed H Yousef
> >---
>
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[meteorite-list] My First Meteorite

[Steve Witt]

 Greetings List,

   I don't think I've seen so many members respond to one thread as I
have this most recent one. My first specimen was purchased from Al
Mitterling, a 40 gram slice of Gibeon, which I of course still have.

   Al and I live equidistant from the small town of Hamlet, In (the
site of a fall in 1959) and he agreed to meet me there to show me my
first meteorites. I was quite impressed that a guy I didn't even know
would go to all this trouble just because I expressed an interest in
space rocks. I got his name from the list of dealers in O.R. Norton's
Rocks from Space. I was immediately mesmerized by being able to hold
in my hand an object that had come from "out there" and then burning
through out atmosphere to finally end up in MY hand. A rush I still
get every time I touch one of these marvelous pieces of our Solar
System. My collection has grown to around 90 specimens and I, as many
of you have, started collecting thin sections. A whole new world of
fascination!

   My thanks to Al again for the time he took and since has taken to
answer questions for me, show me new specimens, check out my
meteor-wrongs, as well as selling me a few fine specimens at the most
reasonable prices I have yet to find. 

 Steve

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[meteorite-list] planetary meteorites

[Robert & Wendi Beauford]

Does the current count for planetary meteorites fall at 15 Martian
meteorites and 14 Lunar meteorites?
Thanks,
-Robert Beauford  : )



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Re: [meteorite-list] Storing thin sections?

[Ginger Mayfield]

Bob,

I got mine from Michael Blood and like it a lot.  It has
room for 100 and a place to write down the names too.  I
have 48 so far.  Love those thin sections.

Ginger

Bob King wrote:
> 
> Greetings all,
> I've sure been enjoying the thread on 'first meteorites.' I can't
> remember now who started it but thanks for a initiating a great idea
> we can all participate in. Now a question. Can anyone help me find
> a small box that holds thin section slides? I've come across a
> number of places that have slide containers but they are for the
> standard-size microscope slide. Ron Hartmann sells a 2-slide
> container which looks very nice but I'm looking for a container that
> might hold up to 25. Thanks very much for any leads.
> Bob
> 
>

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[meteorite-list] meteorite fall rates, please, and first piece

[Robert & Wendi Beauford]

Could someone give me a hand with approximations of the correct information
for the following questions?
Thanks in advance,
-Robert Beauford  : )

ps. On the topics of first pieces, mine was a meteorwrong found in Colorado
when I was 8.  I still have it.  I don't remember when my first real
meteorite came along.  They were just another gemstone/mineral variety for
many years until I read about the stony variety and understood the extent of
the science that was possible in these wonderful rocks.  I never was all
that fascinated by the irons or tektites until I understood them in their
context.  Now I really appreciate them (but not as much as the chondrites).
I actually bought small irons and tektites from many of you at Tucson when I
did the show and dealt in gems, pearls, and anything else fascinating.
That's been a few years, though, and I didn't know who any of you were.
(Now that I want very much to meet you all face to face, I haven't had the
opportunity to go back to Tucson.)
My first chondrite, and the beginning of my passion for the subject, was a
gift from a list member.  I couldn't learn enough about it.  I still spend a
lot of time just trying to understand the science behind the subject
(Reviews in Meneralogy v. 36 helps a lot.), but it's challenging to make
headway from books alone.
I really wish there was a meteoritics department or planetary science
program closer to home or an extension studies coarse.  I'd be working on my
masters right now if there were.
Thanks for sharing all of your first meteorite stories!
Again, any help with the questions below would be most sincerely
appreciated.
-Robert Beauford  : )

Questions
What proportion of visible meteors, or shooting stars, results in
a meteorite being left on the ground?
Would it be accurate to say far less than 1 in 1(??)

1 object over 10 grams falls per (how many square miles) per year.

An object over 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) might fall in a given 1 square mile piece of
land only once in every (how many) years?

Even very broad estimates will be fine, as long as they communicate
something about the rate of falls.

Thank you again to anyone who might be willing to take the time to help!




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[meteorite-list] Storing thin sections?

[Bob King]

Greetings all,
I've sure been enjoying the thread on 'first meteorites.' I can't 
remember now who started it but thanks for a initiating a great idea 
we can all participate in. Now a question. Can anyone help me find 
a small box that holds thin section slides? I've come across a 
number of places that have slide containers but they are for the 
standard-size microscope slide. Ron Hartmann sells a 2-slide 
container which looks very nice but I'm looking for a container that 
might hold up to 25. Thanks very much for any leads.
Bob

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[meteorite-list] My First Piece

[Jeff K.]

I've always been into cool looking rocks for as long
as I can remember. My collection of rocks got a little
big by the time I was about 10 and my mum threw out
some cause she thought I wouldn't notice! I DID! (The
next day! After the rubbish had gone of course!) My
favourite rock went. A black volcanic piece with a
core of bright green crystals, which I found on a
holiday. At least my softball sized piece of black
scoria that floats like a tennis-ball didn't go!

But then last year I got the internet and stumbled
across Jim Strope's site. My first meteorites were 10g
& 28g Sikhote-Alin individuals. A somewhat classic
start with a nice blackened/shinny iron I think?! Now
I'm hooked for good I should think!

Happy collecting for 2002 everyone!
Jeff.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Desert Finds - Gold Basin AREA, Arizona

[MARK BOSTICK]

  Thanks Robert for that list together for us.  It makes me want to go and search my own backyard again...   Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"  - Original Message - From: Robert Verish Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 4:16 AM To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] Mojave Desert Finds - Gold Basin AREA, Arizona  Hello Mark,I took your suggestion and made a list of all the GoldBasin AREA meteorites that have been classified:These are just the ones that I know about...;-)Bob V.-- Original Message -[meteorite-list] Falls, finds, Mohave desertMARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:34:51 -0600Or a better question yet...how about a complete listof meteorites found in the Gold Basin.  I understandpossible new meteorites have been found there asrecent as the last month but can someone help me here.We HaveGold Basin ...that the easy one...:)Hualapai WashHualapai Wash 2-8I think now?The little Mesosiderite..I think a list member foundSomeone mentioned a little impact melt that he got ina lot of Farmer found Gold Basins a while ago.Donald O'Keefe found 2 other then Hualapai WalshThe was at least 3 different oridinary chondritesbefore  Hualapai WalshA neat puzzle meteorite in six pieces will haveshortly found last monthprobley paired with one ofthe H.W.Can anyone add better descriptions and more?Mark Bostick- End of Original Message -__Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648___Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[MARK BOSTICK]

  Hello All,   Its nice to see the way Anne handled this.     Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite  In a message dated 1/5/2002 3:26:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  I was amazed how so many of you quickley gave me a negative reply. Actually maybe it is my mistake; the site (especially the gallery) was not working properly. And maybe I concentrated on the crystals and left out whole samples which looks more like what is avaialable in meteorite sites. With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial. I am sorry you cannot accept the answers of all those very knowledgable people. They have seen hundreds of meteorites, so they know.  And they are right. Maybe you could talk to  Raouf Ismail, he is knowledgable and he is from Tunisia, he might be able to explain to you in your language. His e-mail address is:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely. Anne Black http://www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TheMineralCompany.com 

[meteorite-list] THE POWER OF TEN

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Food for thought for the New Year- GRANT ELLIOTT  
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[meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[M Yousef]

Dear All;
I was amazed how so many of you quickley gave me a negative reply. Actually 
maybe it is my mistake; the site (especially the gallery) was not working 
properly. And maybe I concentrated on the crystals and left out whole 
samples which looks more like what is avaialable in meteorite sites.

With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a 
meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial.

Although I am not an expert in the field, but I am a physicist, PhD student 
in Cosmology, and during the last few months I visited almost all sites 
about meteorites and read a few books. I tried all pre-tests on these rocks 
and they passed. Only after that I put them on the internet. So how come 
most of you say these rocks do not look like meteorites at all!!! Again, 
maybe it is my mistake; the site is not informative enough. Please also 
excuse my poor English.

However, I have updated the site today, and now the gallery should be 
working nicely. Please revisit the site if you are interested:

http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html

Please also try to solve with me the fossil riddle; I know it is not 
possible to have such fossils in a meteorite but this is what I found.
Do you also know what those white rocks might be.
It also seems to me that I have more than one kind of meteorite, but all are 
from the same area. Is this possible?
Please do not ignore this letter if you can help.

Sincerely

Mohamed H Yousef
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>From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: suspected meteorite
>Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:15:20 +
>
>Dear Sirs;
>
>Please help me to identify this importannt meteorite.
>Information and pictures in the following site:
>
>http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html
>
>Sincerely
>
>Mohamed H Yousef
>---


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[meteorite-list] suspected meteorite

[Michael Blood]

> With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a 
> meteorite.
--
Hi M and list,
This is one of the most fascinating phenomena I run into
as a meteorite dealer - People who find what they think is a 
meteorite REFUSE to believe otherwise! Fascinating! 
By the way, I NEVER state that my opinion is 100% I have
seen MANY meteorites I would SWEAR weren't meteorites
and many meteorwrongs I would have swarn WERE meteories.
I ALWAYS send people to a meteorite lab. - and after all
these years, I refuse to spend ANY time "debating" the issue
with any of them. They are like bible thumpers at the door.
You are literally throwing away your time. They "believe."
Best wishes to all, Michael

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[meteorite-list] Theil Mtn.

[David Hardy]

Hello list,

I'm looking for a couple grams of the Theil Mtn pallasite.  Does anyone know
where I might find some?

David Hardy

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[Impactika]

In a message dated 1/5/2002 3:26:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I was amazed how so many of you quickley gave me a negative reply. Actually
maybe it is my mistake; the site (especially the gallery) was not working
properly. And maybe I concentrated on the crystals and left out whole
samples which looks more like what is avaialable in meteorite sites.

With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a
meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial.


I am sorry you cannot accept the answers of all those very knowledgable people. They have seen hundreds of meteorites, so they know.  And they are right.
Maybe you could talk to  Raouf Ismail, he is knowledgable and he is from Tunisia, he might be able to explain to you in your language. 
His e-mail address is:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sincerely.

Anne Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[CMcdon0923]

<<<  With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a 
meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial. >>>

Remember that litle thread we had a short while ago entitled "Assinine (sic) 
idiots"..I think we've found their leader.  


<<< Although I am not an expert in the field, but I am a physicist, PhD 
student in Cosmology>>>

Maybe he means "cosmetology"?  Thank God he didn't say he's a rocket 
scientist, too.


<<<...and during the last few months I visited almost all sites about 
meteorites and read a few books. >>>

He's been a busy little boy!  I guess the books he read didn't have any 
pictures in them.


<<< So how come most of you say these rocks do not look like meteorites at 
all!!!  >>>

Because our books DO have pictures in them!


<<< I know it is not possible to have such fossils in a meteorite but this is 
what I found. >>>

Here's an exercise in logic for you! 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Update - InnSuites Meteorite Auction

[Michael Casper]

"We have snagged auctioneer Claudia Florian--a former auctioneer for
& Sothebys--to run this sale" ...I'm curious how you "snagged" her? Was it
on a hook? If so what kinda bait did you use? After you "snag" em how
do you get em off the hook? Are they slimy? Do they snap or bite?

  I don't think meteorites are a good investment right now. Perhaps
rare coins miy interest you? I do have a little auction next week!
www.caspercoin.com

  xoxo, MC




- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Update - InnSuites Meteorite Auction


>
>
> Hi Folks!
>
> Last chance! I have only twelve (12) slots remaining for consignments for
the Second Annual Meteorite Auction at the InnSuites in Tucson on Sunday,
February 10th.
>
> If you wish to make a consignment, please get in touch QUICKLY!
>
> Further exciting news:
>
> --We have snagged auctioneer Claudia Florian--a former auctioneer for
Phillips & Sothebys--to run this sale;
> --The advertisement in the current issue of Smithsonian has already
resulted in dozens of catalog requests!
> --Meteorites confirmed to be offered include, L'Aigle, NWA482, Camel
Donga, Manych, GV, Steinbach, Chassigny, Barbotan, Mauerkirchen, Ensisheim,
Shalka, Felix, etc.
> --Once again, if you are an exhibitor at the "Arizona Mineral & Fossil
Show," you are entitled to consign one lot without having to pay a
consignor's fee (courtesy of the Macovich Collection and the Great Zinn).
>
>
> The Event: The InnSuites Meteorite Auction
> Date: Sunday, February 10th 10.30 AM
> Location: InnSuites, Tucson / Poolside
> Early Registration/Preview: February 1-9 - 10.00AM - 6.00PM
> Day-of Registration/Preview: February 10 - 9.30-10.30AM
> Number of lots: 100
> Targeted price point: $200 to $25,000
> Lots with no reserve: ~40%
> Consignor's fee: 10.0%
> Buyer's fee: 12.5%
> Limit per consignor: 4 lots
> Sell-through fee: 3%
> Insurance (if desired): 1%
>
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> Why should I consider consigning a meteorite to this sale?
> 1. Guaranteed Interest. This offering will be heavily promoted. We are
also building on an outstanding buzz from last year's sale. Further, a
number of outstanding meteorites will be offered with NO RESERVES;
> 2. Marketing commitment. $4000 in dedicated advertising will be spent
publicizing this event;
> 3. Location. Host to one of Tucson's preeminent shows, the InnSuites is
centrally located and is indisputably Meteorite Central in Tucson;
>
> Where do I sign up?
> Right here. Please fill-in the following info. A formal consignment form
will be sent to you provided that your property is accepted for this
auction. [My interest is only in creating a marketplace for fine meteorites
that are priced to sell, and to present this property to a crowd that is
eager to participate in an auction filled with such opportunities.]
>
> Name
> Street Address
> Apartment or Suite
> City
> State
> Zip
> Daytime phone
> Evening phone
> Email
> Description of each proposed consignment:
> --Slice or End or Complete or Fragment
> --No crust or ~25%, ~50%, ~75% or 95+% crust
> --Condition and extent of weathering
> Measurement (H x W x D):
> Weight:
> Provenance:
> Reserve:
> Will you be present at the auction?
>
>
>
> Can you explain what a "reserve" is? A "reserve" is the absolute lowest
fee that consignors accept PRIOR to the deduction of the 10% consignor's
fee. The reserve is not published in the catalog. However, consignments with
reserves will be indicated in the catalog with a bullet (*).
>
>
> Why would I want a reserve?
> Reserves are used as a mechanism to protect the consignor so that an item
will not sell for too low a price. However, should a consignment's estimated
value be less than $300, no reserve will be allowed.
>
>
> What are "estimated values"?
> A guideline of what it is believed the consignment should bring at
auction.
>
>
> Do you prefer consignments with either no reserve.or low reserves?
> Yes. Consignments with no reserves or modest reserves are far more likely
to result in a successful sale.
>
>
> Can I insist on a high reserve?
> No. If the reserve you wish to set is, in my estimation, too high, I will
refuse the consignment. The philosophy of this sale is to offer choice
merchandise that is attractively priced, which will result in a spirited
marketplace.
>
>
> Are high reserves the only consideration in rejecting a consignment?
> No. If I believe the consignment competes with too many other similar
consignments, it will be rejected. Consignments will be accepted on a
first-come, first-served basis.
>
>
> As a consignor to the InnSuites auction, how much will this cost me?
> If your consignment sells, your cost will be 10% of the hammer price (the
highest bid). If your lot fails to sell, the sell-through fee (and
insurance, if so desired) will result in a cost of either 3% or 4%
(w/insurance) of the reserve price of the consignment.
>
>
> Are t

[meteorite-list] further to first meteorite thread

[Dave Harris]

Hullo again,
Just a meteoritic memory that stays with me  - I had seen meteorites at the
Natural History museum in London village - we used to go often - and would
sit astride the 1/2 ton "Otumba" Campo that is still there. When I was in
primary school, say aged about 8, I remember very clearly a lad bringing in
what he claimed was a meteorite (he had a spacy name too"Simon Saturn").
I remember it clearly as a roughly triangular lump about an inch across and
being very heavy (dense) and light and dark brownish - I was fascinated and
30 odd years later I am sure it was a Canyon Diablo - the image remained so
clear to me over the intervening decades
Nice how we can recall...

--
In gentle decay,
dave

http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite

[almitt]

Well here's my story,

My first real meteorite was meteorite oxide glued to a card from Meteor(ite) Crater in 
the mid 60's. Yes I still have this and in my display. Then later in the 70's I went 
back to the crater and figured I could buy an unoxidized iron meteorite. When I asked, 
it is as though I spoke a profanity. That material is reserved for scientific study 
and so forth. They DID have more oxide for sale and I bought the largest piece they 
had but was very disappointed with this.

Like many on the list I have been an amateur astronomer most of my life. I was a 
founding member of our local astronomy society and built a major portion (quite 
literally) of our observatory which rests at a YMCA Camp in North Webster, Indiana. 
You can read more about this here: http://clubs.kconline.com/was/   I gave a talk 
on meteorites to our club which only stimulated me on the subject as there was little 
to be found on the subject at that time and yes the internet as we know it today was 
non-existent. I wanted to also buy a set of meteorites to show to the school kids when 
I did my astronomy talks in order to show them something from outer space. I bought my 
first real meteorites from the great and kind Robert Haag, an Allende with a window 
ground in to it, 15 grams, a Canyon Diablo about 100 grams and an Imilac stony-iron 38 
gram slice, thus covering all the major groups somewhere in the mid 80's. Having the 
three major groups should be all that anyone should ever need, right?

I took these to many many schools and would get them out as a side show to the the 
main talk on astronomy, no doubt inspiring many of the kids who got to see and hold my 
specimens. I didn't know much about these and decided I needed to know more in order 
to tell the kids I was showing them to more information. When I went to the library to 
find more material I took out the book Find a Fallen Star by H.H. Nininger (I later 
bought the book from Robert). This was the fuel that would light the already small 
burning fire. I read about the falls and finds and wanted more of the interesting 
meteorites I was reading about. I realized there were many sub classes that might be 
interesting to collect. I soon found out that they weren't cheap to collect (yes even 
back then, especially some of the rarer types. I bought a 2 gram Zagami from Robert 
Haag for $100/gram. I remember thinking boy am I nuts, but now what a bargain it was.

I went to a number of shows in which I would occasionally see meteorites for sale and 
increased my collection but at a very un-cost effective rate. Surely there must me 
someone else selling these for less. I begin to check around trying to figure out who 
had meteorites at a better cost. I soon found David New and bought many new 
interesting specimens from him. I was like a kid in a candy store wanting dozens of 
his offerings. I also found Blaine Reed who was offering meteorite specimens for a 
unheard of low price and soon began buying a major portion of my collection from 
Blaine. Still with this new found sources I couldn't afford the meteorites I wanted at 
the rate I wanted to increase my collection. After attending some shows I decided that 
I could buy specimens and resale them for a fraction of what was being offered by some 
of the others out there. In some cases I could sell for 1/3 of the price. It was 
obvious to me that a bit of price gouging was going on. I made a display case and
began to sell at some of the shows I had previously been a spectator. I sold my 
material rapidly when the customers found out there was a more cost effective source. 
I was well know to most of the people attending the shows I sold at so a trusted face 
was a big advantage.  My competition in some cases tried to talk me into selling them 
for more as I was cutting my own throat. I would never cave in as I thought it is 
better to mark up a little and sell in quantity. The same competition latter on tried 
to say I was getting my specimens from illegal sources and the reason I could sell so 
low but in reality I was following them around at the same shows they bought their 
material from and so it was only a method to try ruin my reputation so they could sell 
high.

Some on this list may remember the days of Compuserve and the astronomy forum. In this 
forum we generated a small group of meteorite affectionados and talked about 
meteorites in the very early 90's and on. At a time when the internet was not widely 
used and there was little information about meteorites we were offering information 
and provided files of information on the subject with pictures and so forth. A kind of 
pre meteorite list list. Later on we were given our own area to talk about the 
subject. I later got off Compuserve and on to the internet and don't know if that area 
is still in existence or not.

My personal collation has grown by leaps and bounds. I like to collect specimens that 
are at least 100 grams in size. I do have

[meteorite-list] Update - InnSuites Meteorite Auction

[MacovichCo]

Hi Folks!

Last chance! I have only twelve (12) slots remaining for consignments for the Second 
Annual Meteorite Auction at the InnSuites in Tucson on Sunday, February 10th.

If you wish to make a consignment, please get in touch QUICKLY! 

Further exciting news:

--We have snagged auctioneer Claudia Florian--a former auctioneer for Phillips & 
Sothebys--to run this sale;
--The advertisement in the current issue of Smithsonian has already resulted in dozens 
of catalog requests! 
--Meteorites confirmed to be offered include, L'Aigle, NWA482, Camel Donga, Manych, 
GV, Steinbach, Chassigny, Barbotan, Mauerkirchen, Ensisheim, Shalka, Felix, etc.
--Once again, if you are an exhibitor at the "Arizona Mineral & Fossil Show," you are 
entitled to consign one lot without having to pay a consignor's fee (courtesy of the 
Macovich Collection and the Great Zinn).


The Event: The InnSuites Meteorite Auction
Date: Sunday, February 10th  10.30 AM
Location:  InnSuites, Tucson / Poolside
Early Registration/Preview: February 1-9 - 10.00AM - 6.00PM
Day-of Registration/Preview: February 10 - 9.30-10.30AM
Number of lots: 100
Targeted price point: $200 to $25,000
Lots with no reserve: ~40%
Consignor's fee: 10.0%
Buyer's fee: 12.5%
Limit per consignor: 4 lots
Sell-through fee: 3%
Insurance (if desired): 1%


QUESTIONS:

Why should I consider consigning a meteorite to this sale? 
1. Guaranteed Interest. This offering will be heavily promoted. We are also building 
on an outstanding buzz from last year's sale. Further, a number of outstanding 
meteorites will be offered with NO RESERVES; 
2. Marketing commitment. $4000 in dedicated advertising will be spent publicizing this 
event;
3. Location. Host to one of Tucson’s preeminent shows, the InnSuites is centrally 
located and is indisputably Meteorite Central in Tucson;

Where do I sign up?
Right here. Please fill-in the following info. A formal consignment form will be sent 
to you provided that your property is accepted for this auction. [My interest is only 
in creating a marketplace for fine meteorites that are priced to sell, and to present 
this property to a crowd that is eager to participate in an auction filled with such 
opportunities.]

Name
Street Address
Apartment or Suite
City
State
Zip
Daytime phone
Evening phone
Email
Description of each proposed consignment:
--Slice or End or Complete or Fragment
--No crust or ~25%, ~50%, ~75% or 95+% crust
--Condition and extent of weathering
Measurement (H x W x D):
Weight:
Provenance:
Reserve:
Will you be present at the auction?



Can you explain what a “reserve” is? A “reserve” is the absolute lowest fee that 
consignors accept PRIOR to the deduction of the 10% consignor's fee. The reserve is 
not published in the catalog. However, consignments with reserves will be indicated in 
the catalog with a bullet (*). 


Why would I want a reserve?
Reserves are used as a mechanism to protect the consignor so that an item will not 
sell for too low a price. However, should a consignment’s estimated value be less than 
$300, no reserve will be allowed.


What are “estimated values”?
A guideline of what it is believed the consignment should bring at auction.


Do you prefer consignments with either no reserve…or low reserves?
Yes. Consignments with no reserves or modest reserves are far more likely to result in 
a successful sale. 


Can I insist on a high reserve?
No. If the reserve you wish to set is, in my estimation, too high, I will refuse the 
consignment. The philosophy of this sale is to offer choice merchandise that is 
attractively priced, which will result in a spirited marketplace.


Are high reserves the only consideration in rejecting a consignment? 
No. If I believe the consignment competes with too many other similar consignments, it 
will be rejected. Consignments will be accepted on a first-come, first-served basis. 


As a consignor to the InnSuites auction, how much will this cost me?
If your consignment sells, your cost will be 10% of the hammer price (the highest 
bid). If your lot fails to sell, the sell-through fee (and insurance, if so desired) 
will result in a cost of either 3% or 4% (w/insurance) of the reserve price of the 
consignment.


Are there deadlines to be a consignor?
Yes. As a result of catalog deadlines (paper and cyber) the deadline will be whenever 
the twelve slots are filled...my guess is by Tuesday, January 8th.


There will be a catalog?
There will be printed listing available at the InnSuites room 404, as well as a page 
at Macovich.com.


Is there a deadline for physically accepting consignments?
Consignments will be physically accepted at the InnSuites room 404 commencing on 
February 1st for Early Preview. The latest a consignment will be physically accepted 
12:00 Noon on February 5th. If your consignment does not arrive by this time, it will 
not be included in the auction. If you are a registered consignor and fail to deliver 
your consignment, you will still be assessed a 3% sel

[meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[DiamondMeteor]

 Dear All;
 I was amazed how so many of you quickley gave me a negative reply. Actually
maybe it is my mistake; the site (especially the gallery) was not working
properly. And maybe I concentrated on the crystals and left out whole
samples which looks more like what is avaialable in meteorite sites.

 With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a
meteorite. It could not be anything terrestrial.

 Although I am not an expert in the field, but I am a physicist, PhD student
in Cosmology, and during the last few months I visited almost all sites
about meteorites and read a few books. I tried all pre-tests on these rocks
and they passed. Only after that I put them on the internet. So how come
most of you say these rocks do not look like meteorites at all!!! Again,
maybe it is my mistake; the site is not informative enough. Please also
excuse my poor English.

 However, I have updated the site today, and now the gallery should be
working nicely. Please revisit the site if you are interested:
 http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html
 Please also try to solve with me the fossil riddle; I know it is not
possible to have such fossils in a meteorite but this is what I found.
 Do you also know what those white rocks might be.
 It also seems to me that I have more than one kind of meteorite, but all
are from the same area. Is this possible?
 Please do not ignore this letter if you can help.

 Sincerely

 Mohamed H Yousef
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[David Freeman]

Dear Michael and List;
One of my recent experiences at a rock shop in Shoshoni, Wyoming.  The 
shop owner..."my mother found it and she said it was a meteorite". 
 What's a guy to do, try and compete with the knowledge of Mom?  I 
traded some nice small gibeon slices for some nice jade slices so he 
does have meteorites now.
Best,
Dave f.

Michael Blood wrote:

>>With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a 
>>meteorite.
>>
>--
>Hi M and list,
>This is one of the most fascinating phenomena I run into
>as a meteorite dealer - People who find what they think is a 
>meteorite REFUSE to believe otherwise! Fascinating! 
>By the way, I NEVER state that my opinion is 100% I have
>seen MANY meteorites I would SWEAR weren't meteorites
>and many meteorwrongs I would have swarn WERE meteories.
>I ALWAYS send people to a meteorite lab. - and after all
>these years, I refuse to spend ANY time "debating" the issue
>with any of them. They are like bible thumpers at the door.
>You are literally throwing away your time. They "believe."
>Best wishes to all, Michael
>



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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite

[STUARTATK]

Well, my first meteorite was a piece of "Old Faithful", Canyon Diablo - a roughly-triangular specimen which I bought thru the post off a Midlands dealer here in the UK... wish I could remember his name... As an amateur astronomer and just-starting-out kids author (only 1 book published then) I'd wanted a real meteorite of my own for ages, and having grown up with pics of Canyon Diablo that seemed to be the obvious one to go for. So, I saved and saved and then sent off, much to the bemusement of my then-wife. Her bemusement deepened when I opened the package, and almost reverently unwrapped the piece inside... and I guess, to her eyes, it *did* look just like "an old bit of rock" as she condemned it as being at the time, but to me it was like holding one of the Universe's own relics, you know? Having seen them in museums, and magazines and books, I was finally holding a real meteorite in my own hands... and it was mine. I owned a piece of "Out There"... don't think I stopped smiling, or looking at it, turning it over and over in my hands for days...

My then-wife never "got it". You should have seen her face when I tried to assure her that the bits of dust sealed-up in a micro-mount box really *were* from Mars, and yes, they *were* worth what I had paid for them...

Since then my piece of CD has covered many, many miles, and been held by literally thousands of hands. It's gone with me wherever I've travelled to teach astronomy to kids:  to Scotland, to tiny schools in the mountains of the Highlands and on the shores of Hebridean islands; all over the north of England, into schools large and small; to Science Fairs, lectures and meetings. It's even travelled back to the US, to be used as a "show and tell" feature when I gave a presentation to a school in northern California. It's been handed around crowds at Skywatches and during eclipses, meteor showers and Comet Nights. And its travels are far from over: later this year it will be travelling with me to Italy, and at year's end will be heading south to Australia, to help me with a school talk I'm planning to give there before enjoying a total solar eclipse. 

I have others now, of course, a dozen or so, but my little piece of Canyon Diablo still remains special. 

Stu

www.stuartatkinson.com
www.newmars.com

Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite and David New

[almitt]

Hi Bernd and all,

I have to go along with Bernd's remarks considering David New. He truly is one of the 
great meteorite gentleman dealers of the past, and as
Bernd says, still supplies thin sections every now and then. We could use him back!

This reminds me about another fine member we have on this list Philip M. Bagnall who 
seems to be overlooked some while posting to this list
occasionally. He wrote the excellent book The Meteorite and Tektite Collectors 
Handbook. In the back he talks about two organizations you could
join in the early 90's, the Meteoritical Society and another organization (NO LONGER 
EXISTING) called the Society of Meteoritophiles. The
Society which I was a brief member of had a nice magazine called Impact! I have 
several issues and it was one means of learning back then. I
have no idea how many members they had total but if Phil has the time to reminisce 
about the past would  really like to hear about it. Those
were the days before the internet (was widely used) and you had to buy a book or go to 
the library to learn about meteorites (which I did
both).

--AL


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[meteorite-list] First meteorite

[Dan Wray]

As a mineral collector and amature astronomer I guess it was 
inevitable that I would end up with meteorites.  My first was a 10g. slice 
of Gibeon that I bought at the swap meet at the Texas Star party in 1993. Of 
course I still have it.  I am a minor collector compared to many on this 
list but the collection continues to grow.  I display it frequently at 
Chamberlin Observatory for the monthly open houses sponcered by the Denver 
Astronomical Society.  At first I only bought during the Denver Gem and 
Mineral Show, where I have met a number of the dealers on this list.  
Later, I discovered the internet and now I don't have to waite for a fix.  
One year ago I discovered the Colorado Meteorite Society (COMETS).  We meet 
monthly and I now have people that understand me.  Dan Wray, Denver, 
Colorado.

[meteorite-list] First meteorite

[Dan Wray]

As a mineral collector and amature astronomer I guess it was 
inevitable that I would end up with meteorites.  My first was a 10g. slice 
of Gibeon that I bought at the swap meet at the Texas Star party in 1993. Of 
course I still have it.  I am a minor collector compared to many on this 
list but the collection continues to grow.  I display it frequently at 
Chamberlin Observatory for the monthly open houses sponcered by the Denver 
Astronomical Society.  At first I only bought during the Denver Gem and 
Mineral Show, where I have met a number of the dealers on this list.  
Later, I discovered the internet and now I don't have to waite for a fix.  
One year ago I discovered the Colorado Meteorite Society (COMETS).  We meet 
monthly and I now have people that understand me.  Dan Wray, Denver, 
Colorado.

[meteorite-list] Re: suspected meteorite

[Michael Blood]

> With all the negative replies I got so far, I STILL INSIST it is a 
> meteorite.
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Hi M and list,
This is one of the most fascinating phenomena I run into
as a meteorite dealer - People who find what they think is a 
meteorite REFUSE to believe otherwise! Fascinating! 
By the way, I NEVER state that my opinion is 100% I have
seen MANY meteorites I would SWEAR weren't meteorites
and many meteorwrongs I would have swarn WERE meteories.
I ALWAYS send people to a meteorite lab. - and after all
these years, I refuse to spend ANY time "debating" the issue
with any of them. They are like bible thumpers at the door.
You are literally throwing away your time. They "believe."
Best wishes to all, Michael

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[meteorite-list] My First Meteorite Piece

[Mike Groetz]

Everyone-
   I hope you don't mind another story this late. Have
been reading the postings this morning with coffee as
I have been out of town most of the week.
   The first specimens I received were from Dean
Bessey  (one of his "My First Collection Sets"). He
really made me a nice set and I spent most all of a
Saturday afternoon with it when it came. My wifes
first response was "you paid what for a bunch of dumb
rocks?!!!" but at least she had a smile on her face.
   But Dean now had me hooked.
   My first individual specimen was a small Saratov
from Walter Branch with a loose chondrule rolling
around beside it. To this day my favorite and I will
really miss Walter's site of smaller affordable
specimens. I will still watch for him on EBay as he is
a super person.
   My greatest "find" was away from home on business.
One night, totally bored in the hotel, I went to the
mall down the road just to spend some time. They had a
Natural Wonders store (one of the only "guy" stores in
the mall and it was sadly going out of business). It
was a clearance store as all of the other stores
shutting down were sending there material in to it. On
the shelf was a large etched slice of Gibeon- original
price $379. But- marked down to $114 on clearance.
Good deal- but much more than I should spend with both
kids in college. I stewed on it and finally asked the
guy at the register if he would discount it any more
as it was in the final 3 days of the store closing. He
got out the calculator and said "Would you take it for
$38?" I just looked at him in shock. A minute later it
was mine. I left the store with a big grin on my face
and went to a very expensive candy shop and asked the
lady if she would please weigh it for me. She looked
at me like I was nuts, and not knowing what it was,
weighed it at .76 lb I called my wife from the
motel that night and said don't worry about anything
for this Fathers Day weekend- listen to this!!! I
gently tapped it on the corner of the nightstand and
it "rang" into the phone. Her first reply was "another
dumb rock?".
   Since my starter set I now have 104 specimens
including most all of the major falls and finds. Most
are micros and macros but they are mine! And I have
met alot of good people- all in this list. I have
appreciated the time you have taken to work with me in
my questions and my "big buys..". 
   Kids in college and meteorite collecting don't mix
well...but when they get out...

Take Care,
Mike Groetz


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RE: [meteorite-list] NWA's and Counting Localities

[dean bessey]

This is basically a personal preference and how you want to organize your 
collection. Different people have different ideas on this topic. Each number 
has its own mass and official recogonition. Many are obviously paired but 
you still have an opportunity to own a main mass at a very low price. 
Personally, I call them "desert main masses" but that term is not a 
recogonized meteorite term.
Many people love the idea of getting meteorites so cheap and can put up with 
incomplete scientific data for the 80% savings that they get and are happy 
with getting five times the meteoritic material at the same cost as another 
meteorite. Other people put more importance on the coordinates where they 
fell than on the meteorite itself and wouldent touch them. Maybe they are 
just so cheap that buying something at that price is beneath them. Whatever 
turns a person on I guess.
But no matter what, collect what you like and how you like. Dont let 
somebody tell you how you are supposed to collect or enjoy your meteorites. 
You are collecting for you and not how somebody else thinks that the 
meteorite world should work.
Each numbered NWA meteorite has an official (Or provisional if it is not 
classified) name and is recogonized seperately. If you have 300 different 
NWAs you have 300 seperately recogonized meteorites. Likely some will be 
paired. If you want to take this as different stones do so. If you like the 
idea of owning a main mass (even if it is Desert main mass) buy one. If you 
want likely paired NWAs buy them. If you put more importance on some 
imaginary line on a map drawn by man then dont. Its all a personal 
preference. If you do like all of the NWAs you can rest easy knowing that 
you are getting a tremendous price break for the small amount of left out 
information when you buy your meteorites. And the stones themselves are not 
somehow inferior just because the finder never had a GPS unit. The GPS unit 
dont come with the meteorites. When it fell the meteorite never had a GPS 
signal to follow.
And there certainly will not be enough government funding to provite 
researcher time to get a better analysis of the NWA situation anytime soon 
or to study every H5 in detail.
The important thing is that you buy what you enjoy (And finances permit) and 
you enjoy them how you want.
There is no correct answer to your question. Its all a matter of personal 
preference. When you show somebody your collection you will have it 
displayed the way that you like best.
Cheers
DEAN
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RE: [meteorite-list] NWA's and Counting Localities

[Rhett Bourland]

Personally, I count each specimen when talking about how many unique
meteorites are in my collection.  Then again, you are talking about
localities and when I talk about how many meteorites I have its usually how
many I have and not where they came from.
Best wishes,
Rhett Bourland
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Dear List:

I want to sit down soon and count the number of localities in my
collection.  It's a modest number, but in recent years I've purchased
quite a few classified NWA meteorites and I'm wondering:  do I count
each classified specimen as a separate locality ( and if I have 2 with
different numbers but I know they're paired I would count that as one
locality ), or is it more "honest" or is it even a convention to simply
lump all my different NWA's together and count them all as one locality?
When I try to think this out I keep coming up with arguments for both
approaches. It seems silly to lump a lunar with an L6 but classification
and locality are 2 different things and with no, or very few, GPS
coordinates for any of them maybe lumping them all together as one vast
locality is correct?
Any thoughts on what may seem a "splitting-hairs" question?

Thanking you in advance,
Charlie


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[meteorite-list] Ebay Auctions Ended at few hours

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

At 19 hours my auctions ended, look here
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[meteorite-list] NWA's and Counting Localities

[Charlie Devine]

Dear List:

I want to sit down soon and count the number of localities in my
collection.  It's a modest number, but in recent years I've purchased
quite a few classified NWA meteorites and I'm wondering:  do I count
each classified specimen as a separate locality ( and if I have 2 with
different numbers but I know they're paired I would count that as one
locality ), or is it more "honest" or is it even a convention to simply
lump all my different NWA's together and count them all as one locality?
When I try to think this out I keep coming up with arguments for both
approaches. It seems silly to lump a lunar with an L6 but classification
and locality are 2 different things and with no, or very few, GPS
coordinates for any of them maybe lumping them all together as one vast
locality is correct?
Any thoughts on what may seem a "splitting-hairs" question?

Thanking you in advance,
Charlie


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[meteorite-list] My First Piece - Allende - O.R. Norton

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Fred Olsen wrote:

> a traveling rock salesman stopped at my rock shop "The Quarry"
> in Gainesville, Florida in the spring of 1969. This gentleman
> (I wish I knew his name) had just driven in an old stationwagon
> from Mexico with a load of minerals from the mines and a box
> of fresh meteorites from the Pueblito de Allende to sell.


Hello Fred, O.R. Norton, and List,

When I read Fred's comments above, I instantly felt I had heard a
similar story somewhere before. But where ...? Yes, in O.R. Norton's
RFS (I + II). Could that have been the very same Frederick Pough?

"In the summer of 1969, I was running a small planetarium on the
University of Nevada campus in Reno. Late one afternoon, a visitor
came to my office and introduced himself as Frederick Pough. He
asked if I would be interested in buying about 100 pounds of car-
bonaceous chondrite meteorites ... Now there was this stranger
telling me he had a hundred pounds of carbonaceous meteorites in
the trunk of his car and they were for sale! ... We walked out to
the parking lot ... Pough lifted the trunk lid and there, carelessly
wrapped in old El Paso newspapers ... were dozens of the world's
ugliest-looking rocks ... And the meteorites? These were freshly
fallen specimens specimens from the now-famous Allende, Mexico
fall ... I did indeed purchase the trunk-load of Allende ..."

(Excerpts from O.R. Norton (1998) Rocks
>From Space, 2nd edition, pp. 79-81).


Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Mojave Desert Finds - Gold Basin AREA, Arizona

[Robert Verish]

Hello Mark,

I took your suggestion and made a list of all the Gold
Basin AREA meteorites that have been classified:



These are just the ones that I know about...
;-)
Bob V.

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[meteorite-list] Falls, finds, Mohave desert 

MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Or a better question yet...how about a complete list
of meteorites found in the Gold Basin.  I understand
possible new meteorites have been found there as
recent as the last month but can someone help me here.

We Have

Gold Basin ...that the easy one...:)
Hualapai Wash
Hualapai Wash 2-8I think now?
The little Mesosiderite..I think a list member found
Someone mentioned a little impact melt that he got in
a lot of Farmer found Gold Basins a while ago.
Donald O'Keefe found 2 other then Hualapai Walsh
The was at least 3 different oridinary chondrites
before  Hualapai Walsh

A neat puzzle meteorite in six pieces will have
shortly found last monthprobley paired with one of
the H.W.

Can anyone add better descriptions and more?

Mark Bostick

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: suspected meteorite

[Meteorite1.net]

Hello Mohamed,

Just a guess here but this might be what it will look like inside, most
of your pictures do no load so I am not able to compare.
http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/rock/rock.html

Sincerly,
Jim

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> Dear Sirs;
>
> Please help me to identify this importannt meteorite.
> Information and pictures in the following site:
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> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html
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> Sincerely
>
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[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

I sale my all Tunguska wood pieces, is 11 pieces
without burnt and 5 with burnt, and a bag with 0.3 gr.
in dust and fragments burnt and no, the others big
pieces is all sold. Alle pieces is from the 1999
Italian expedition. I sale all for $40 + $3 shipping
via registered letter. Email me for info.
Regards

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