Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
and besides Farmer folks would prefer to buy it from me. Even if you gave em away for free. See Farmer ya gotta be your own person. Not like what your doin now. Tryin to be what your not or ever will be. Now take youe meds and continue your therapy. I hear you're doing a little better! Atta boy! oxox., MC - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! $20.00 copy! Email me now. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: Michael Farmer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! It is true Farmer. They are cheaper in Tucson. But these people are not going to Tucson. Perhaps you can advise everyone how much a hardcover volume of "ROCKS FROM SPACE" signed by Richard and Dorothy should really be. Perhaps you can supply some signed copies Farmer? How much will you charge? Farmer you really are an idiot. Go suck on a taco. Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Yes, hurry and bid, they are cheaper in Tucson and he would hate you to get a good deal. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
YOU ARE A LIAR. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! $20.00 copy! Email me now. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: Michael Farmer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! It is true Farmer. They are cheaper in Tucson. But these people are not going to Tucson. Perhaps you can advise everyone how much a hardcover volume of "ROCKS FROM SPACE" signed by Richard and Dorothy should really be. Perhaps you can supply some signed copies Farmer? How much will you charge? Farmer you really are an idiot. Go suck on a taco. Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Yes, hurry and bid, they are cheaper in Tucson and he would hate you to get a good deal. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
$20.00 copy! Email me now. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: Michael Farmer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! It is true Farmer. They are cheaper in Tucson. But these people are not going to Tucson. Perhaps you can advise everyone how much a hardcover volume of "ROCKS FROM SPACE" signed by Richard and Dorothy should really be. Perhaps you can supply some signed copies Farmer? How much will you charge? Farmer you really are an idiot. Go suck on a taco. Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Yes, hurry and bid, they are cheaper in Tucson and he would hate you to get a good deal. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] Before you purchase a meteorite...
Darryl, my dear buddy Darryl. Why beat on a dead doggy? Bid on a book! Click below! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC PS... Here is a magic Tucson auction money chant & dance! Bingy Bangy dingy dingy dong Bumpa bumpa billy dilly dong Fifi Funka figgy figgy wong Ding Dang daly wily wily bong Repeat the above 3 times as you jump up and down start 2 days prior to auction and do it every hour. oxoxo, MC - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Before you purchase a meteorite... > > ...consider that at the Macovich Auction in Tucson last year--- > > Bjorbole sold for $2/g > Djati Pengilon sold for <$3/g > Richardton (with Nininger number) sold for $2.50/g > Nariyelco didn't sell at $3/g > > There will be MANY extraordinary deals at this year's auction as well. That's > a promise. > > Absentee bids accepted. > > mundrabilla > http://www.macovich.com/auction/014-lot.html > > mighei > http://www.macovich.com/auction/003-lot.html > > vigarano > http://www.macovich.com/auction/037-lot.html > > > Macovich.com > Simply the greatest meteorite auction, ever. > Sunday, February 10th > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
Begging ain't gonna cut it...your Kharma is knocking, go answer the door and try being nice this time. Mark - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
[meteorite-list] Before you purchase a meteorite...
...consider that at the Macovich Auction in Tucson last year--- Bjorbole sold for $2/g Djati Pengilon sold for <$3/g Richardton (with Nininger number) sold for $2.50/g Nariyelco didn't sell at $3/g There will be MANY extraordinary deals at this year's auction as well. That's a promise. Absentee bids accepted. mundrabilla http://www.macovich.com/auction/014-lot.html mighei http://www.macovich.com/auction/003-lot.html vigarano http://www.macovich.com/auction/037-lot.html Macovich.com Simply the greatest meteorite auction, ever. Sunday, February 10th __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] thanks
Thanks Everyone for your answers to my question on the morocco meteorites. I didn't mean to make it sound as if the dealers in Tucson were to snobby to talk with me,but they were and usually are very busy with other folks looking to buy or just shooting the breeze. Their hotel rooms are quite small , and filled with rocks and people its hard to get a word in edgewise without sounding rude. The gem and mineral show is a must see for anyone who likes meteorites. Hundreds an hundreds of em. Now,If I could just win the lottery.. Thanks again, Rex P.S. I might take you up on that offer Mr. Phillips : )
[meteorite-list] PROJECT IN3
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[meteorite-list] First seismic/meteorite recovery ???
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Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
It is true Farmer. They are cheaper in Tucson. How much exactly Farmer? But these people are not going to Tucson. Perhaps you can advise everyone how much a hardcover volume of "ROCKS FROM SPACE" signed by Richard and Dorothy should really be. Perhaps you can supply some signed copies Farmer? How much will you charge? Farmer you really are an idiot. Go suck on a taco. Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Michael Casper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Yes, hurry and bid, they are cheaper in Tucson and he would hate you to get a good deal. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
Yes, hurry and bid, they are cheaper in Tucson and he would hate you to get a good deal. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] More on most falls on one date
Excellent info, thanks very much Phil and Bernd. Best regards, Roman > "Philip R. Burns" wrote: > > > Bernd has already provided the multiple falls for specific days. If instead > > you were looking for the fall counts totalled across years, the two top > > days are: > > > June 30 -- with 8 falls > > May 26, June 20, October 13, December 10 -- each with 7 falls > > Hello Roman, Pib, and List, > > Here are some further details: > > 9 falls: May 17 (3 falls doubful) - Jun 30 (1 fall doubful) > > 8 falls: May 26 (1 fall doubful) - Oct 13 (1 fall doubful) > > 7 falls: May 09 (1 fall doubful) - Aug 05 (2 falls doubful) >Sep 04 (1 fall doubful) - Dec 10 > > 6 falls: Feb 18 (1 fall doubful) - Apr 09 - Jun 12 - Jun 20 >Jun 21 - Jul 10 - Jul 12 - Oct 05 - Oct 20 > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
simon says we heard you the first time. >From: "Michael Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed! >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:36:11 -0500 > >Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! > >Now hurry up and bid. > >SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 > > xoxox, MC > > Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BID HERE! "ROCKS FROM SPACE" Signed!
Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071093192 xoxox, MC
[meteorite-list] OT: cosmology
Hi All, On the subject of cosmological models, I'm reminded of a humorous story in Stephen Hawking's _A Brief History of Time_ -- right at the beginning of the book, if I'm not mistaken. A famous astronomer, after giving a lecture, is told by an elderly lady attending that his cosmology is all wrong. That the world in fact rests on the back of a giant tortoise. When the astronomer asks what the tortoise stands on, she replied, "You're very clever, young man, very clever. But it's turtles all the way down." Best, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More on most falls on one date
"Philip R. Burns" wrote: > Bernd has already provided the multiple falls for specific days. If instead > you were looking for the fall counts totalled across years, the two top > days are: > June 30 -- with 8 falls > May 26, June 20, October 13, December 10 -- each with 7 falls Hello Roman, Pib, and List, Here are some further details: 9 falls: May 17 (3 falls doubful) - Jun 30 (1 fall doubful) 8 falls: May 26 (1 fall doubful) - Oct 13 (1 fall doubful) 7 falls: May 09 (1 fall doubful) - Aug 05 (2 falls doubful) Sep 04 (1 fall doubful) - Dec 10 6 falls: Feb 18 (1 fall doubful) - Apr 09 - Jun 12 - Jun 20 Jun 21 - Jul 10 - Jul 12 - Oct 05 - Oct 20 Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A little help?
This might help a little, it is a link to the meteorite hunting page on my site: http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter/methunt.html Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter >From: "J Troy Roberson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] A little help? >Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:20:28 -0600 > >Hi all... > >I've been lurking for a while reading posts, and the more I read, the more >intrigued I become about hunting and collecting meteorites. I've been >brushing up heavily on my geology and trying to lay my hands on any >meteorite I come across so I can at least have an idea of what I'm >searching for. But I do have a few questions maybe someone could help me >with: > >I've never been 'out in the field' hunting. But I desperately want to go. >Where in the USA would be a good place for a beginner to go? And is there >any group trips or get together expeditions planned in the near future? > >What is a minimum number of days you should spend out searching? > >And even though I have a pretty good idea, what are the essential tools to >take along? > >Please excuse my ignorance on some of these matters, I'm just trying to get >starting in this fascinating area. Any help or direction you might give me >will be welcomed and remembered. > >Thanks > >Troy > _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question
Hello, my name's Cedric and I'm searching informations about a chemist activities, for knowing more of the particularty that contain meteorites. I'm very interested by this profession, but I've got some problems to find somebody who can me help. Could you give an e-mail or informations about that, please? Thank you and have a nice day! Cédric __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A little help?
Hi all... I've been lurking for a while reading posts, and the more I read, the more intrigued I become about hunting and collecting meteorites. I've been brushing up heavily on my geology and trying to lay my hands on any meteorite I come across so I can at least have an idea of what I'm searching for. But I do have a few questions maybe someone could help me with: I've never been 'out in the field' hunting. But I desperately want to go. Where in the USA would be a good place for a beginner to go? And is there any group trips or get together expeditions planned in the near future? What is a minimum number of days you should spend out searching? And even though I have a pretty good idea, what are the essential tools to take along? Please excuse my ignorance on some of these matters, I'm just trying to get starting in this fascinating area. Any help or direction you might give me will be welcomed and remembered. Thanks Troy
[meteorite-list] morrocon meteorite
Does anybody know anything about the meteorite fragments that are for sale from Morocco? .35 a gram. I saw them at the gem show in Tucson at a couple of places but the dealers are apparently to busy to talk to me. I'm not even sure if they are from Morocco. Thanks, Rex
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Care - Cleaning and Maintenance
Hi - I am new to the list and I am interested in getting information about meteorite cutting, cleaning, polishing, etching, and just general maintenance of meteorites. In particular, I an currently very interested in finding out about rust removal and rust prevention with iron meteorites. I have a few different iron meteorites, all of which are starting to show rust to some degree (one is falling apart). Is this information available anywhere? A web site? Book? etc. Any help you could provide, would be appreciated. PS: Great List ... But hard to find the time to read the many entries. Thanks, Mike Wall __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most falls on one date?
At 06:46 PM 2/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know what the most witnessed falls >were on any one day, including every year to date? >I just need the month and the day of that month. > >Anne? , Bernd? > >Thanks in advance. >Roman Jirasek Bernd has already provided the multiple falls for specific days. If instead you were looking for the fall counts totalled across years, the two top days are: June 30 -- with 8 falls May 26, June 20, October 13, December 10 -- each with 7 falls -- Philip R. "Pib" Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most falls on one date?
At 06:46 PM 2/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know what the most witnessed falls >were on any one day, including every year to date? >I just need the month and the day of that month. > >Anne? , Bernd? > >Thanks in advance. >Roman Jirasek Bernd has already provided the multiple falls for specific days. If instead you were looking for the fall counts totalled across years, the two top days are: June 30 -- with 8 falls May 26, June 20, October 13, December 10 -- each with 7 falls -- Philip R. "Pib" Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most falls on one date?
Thanks Bernd I was really looking for the most falls on one date, including all recorded years to date. Or if you ignore the year, what date has the most falls. example: How many meteorites fell on April 6th? Thanks Anne for getting back to me too. Best regards, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Roman Jirasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Most falls on one date? > Roman Jirasek wrote: > > > Does anyone know what the most witnessed falls > > were on any one day, including every year to date? > > I just need the month and the day of that month. > > > Hello Roman and List, > > As Anne is in Tucson, I'll take the bait :-) > > Interestingly, there are never more than 2 simultaneous falls per day! > > > Shergotty - SNC - Fell 1865 Aug 25 - 09:00 hrs > Aumale - L6 - Fell 1865 Aug 25 between 1100-1200 hrs > > > Tunguska - 1908 Jun 30 - 00:16 hrs (U.T.) > Kagarlyk - L6 - Fell 1908 Jun 30 - 07:00 hrs > > Though the date differs by about one day, this pair below is interesting > because it is an L6 with similar Fa values and total iron percentages in > both cases AND because of the time difference of about 11 hours: > > Cranganore - L6 - Fell 1917 Jul 03 - 12:45 hrs > Colby - L6 - Fell 1917 Jul 04 - 18:20 hrs > (Wisc.) > > > Lanzenkirchen - L4 - Fell 1925 Aug 28 - 19:25 hrs > Ellemeet - ADIO - Fell 1925 Aug 28 - 11:30 hrs > > > Sioux County - AEUC - Fell 1933 Aug 08 - 10:30 hrs > Repeev Khutor - IIF - Fell 1933 Aug 08 - 20:00 hrs > > > Bogou - IAB - Fell 1962 Aug 14 - 10:00 hrs > São Jose do Rio Preto - H4 - Fell 1962 Aug 14 - 08:00 hrs > > > Selakopi - H5 - Fell 1939 Sep 26 > Glanggang - H5-6 - Fell 1939 Sep 26 > > > Soroti - IRANOM - Fell 1945 Sep 17 - 01:10 hrs > Atoka - L6 - Fell 1945 Sep 17 > > > Beddgelert - H5 - Fell 1949 Sep 21 - 01:47 hrs > Akaba - L6 - Fell - 1949 Sep 21 > > > Manych - LL3.5 - Fell 1951 Oct 20 - 15:30 hrs (Moscow time) > Yambo - H5 - Fell 1951 Oct 20 - 21:00 hrs > > > Lohawat - AHOW - Fell 1994 Oct 30 - 23:45 hrs (local time) > Devri-Khera - L6 - Fell 1994 Oct 30 - 21:00 hrs (local time) > > > Another interesting pair - though three days apart: > > Kamsagar - L6 - Fell 1902 Nov 12 - 13:00 hrs > Bath Furnace - L6 - Fell 1902 Nov 15 - 18:45 hrs > > > Best regards, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most falls on one date?
In a message dated 02-02-04 18:44:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Does anyone know what the most witnessed falls were on any one day, including every year to date? I just need the month and the day of that month. Anne? , Bernd? >> Roman, If I was at home you would have your answer in minutes. But I am in Tucson with an ancient little laptop and no data base. Can you wait until next week to find out that fascinating bit of information??? Anne Black www.impactika.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay Auctions ended at few time
Hello all For the people is no go in Tucson, I inform my auctions at 18 hours ended, many the SaU 008 slices on auction, one of gr.16.8 and another of 2.4 gr. and others little, see here: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Paradox
Just last month I was experimenting with the various flavors of Big Bang theories, trying to see which parameters and initial assumptions produced what we see today. Unfortunately, all of the universes I created either fell back into themselves rather quickly or suffered runaway inflation before any stars could form. Heck, it was all I could do to create stable Hydrogen atoms in a couple of the universes. I never did manage to get Helium (let alone heavier elements). I think I need to tweak the Weak Nuclear Force Constant a little bit. I'll keep you all posted. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted: Peekskill
Anyone have Peekskill for sale or trade? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Most falls on one date?
Roman Jirasek wrote: > Does anyone know what the most witnessed falls > were on any one day, including every year to date? > I just need the month and the day of that month. Hello Roman and List, As Anne is in Tucson, I'll take the bait :-) Interestingly, there are never more than 2 simultaneous falls per day! Shergotty - SNC - Fell 1865 Aug 25 - 09:00 hrs Aumale - L6 - Fell 1865 Aug 25 between 1100-1200 hrs Tunguska - 1908 Jun 30 - 00:16 hrs (U.T.) Kagarlyk - L6 - Fell 1908 Jun 30 - 07:00 hrs Though the date differs by about one day, this pair below is interesting because it is an L6 with similar Fa values and total iron percentages in both cases AND because of the time difference of about 11 hours: Cranganore - L6 - Fell 1917 Jul 03 - 12:45 hrs Colby - L6 - Fell 1917 Jul 04 - 18:20 hrs (Wisc.) Lanzenkirchen - L4 - Fell 1925 Aug 28 - 19:25 hrs Ellemeet - ADIO - Fell 1925 Aug 28 - 11:30 hrs Sioux County - AEUC - Fell 1933 Aug 08 - 10:30 hrs Repeev Khutor - IIF - Fell 1933 Aug 08 - 20:00 hrs Bogou - IAB - Fell 1962 Aug 14 - 10:00 hrs São Jose do Rio Preto - H4 - Fell 1962 Aug 14 - 08:00 hrs Selakopi - H5 - Fell 1939 Sep 26 Glanggang - H5-6 - Fell 1939 Sep 26 Soroti - IRANOM - Fell 1945 Sep 17 - 01:10 hrs Atoka - L6 - Fell 1945 Sep 17 Beddgelert - H5 - Fell 1949 Sep 21 - 01:47 hrs Akaba - L6 - Fell - 1949 Sep 21 Manych - LL3.5 - Fell 1951 Oct 20 - 15:30 hrs (Moscow time) Yambo - H5 - Fell 1951 Oct 20 - 21:00 hrs Lohawat - AHOW - Fell 1994 Oct 30 - 23:45 hrs (local time) Devri-Khera - L6 - Fell 1994 Oct 30 - 21:00 hrs (local time) Another interesting pair - though three days apart: Kamsagar - L6 - Fell 1902 Nov 12 - 13:00 hrs Bath Furnace - L6 - Fell 1902 Nov 15 - 18:45 hrs Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time"
In fact yes: time does not have a real existance, nor space. Existance can only be attributed to matter which, as it moves, produce the sense of time and space. We can go into a deeper off-list discussion abot this subject if you like. Cheers Mohamed ".and time and space are also a consequence of natural bodies but time is something ilusionary that does not exist but is introduced by the motion of orbits and localized things when we ask about them by 'when', so time and space do not exist in reality but the existance is to the things that move and still.", [Ibn Arabi, AlFutuhat AlMAkiyya: part II, Page 458, Line 1]. == - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time" > Then, Mr. Yousef, > You are totally correct in saying all rocks are meteorites as well as all > matter by a broad definition! Dirk RossTokyo > But, on one point I disagree. Time doesn't exist. > > M Yousef wrote: > > > Dear Bob; > > First, there is a mistake in your question: Nobody says the universe was > > created from "nothing". There is nothing called "nothing". "Nothing" is what > > is not; i.e. what does not exist. Non-existance can never be turned into > > existance. > > > > What is correct is: The universe was created from a singularity; like a > > black hole; a condense matter in almost zero volume (space) and at almost > > zero time. Then this matter in this singularity blasted off in what is known > > as the big bang and it started expanding (and still). This expanding > > universe has in the future three options: 1- keeps expanding for ever (open > > universe), 2- conracts again at some point (closed universe), or 3- stops > > and stay static (flat universe). If it chooses 2 (depending on its mass > > density) it will return to the singularity again and maybe another big bang > > again and so on (pulsating universe). > > > > In either case, one may ask: what was there before this singularity? We can > > turn this question religious if you like, but if you dont prefer we can turn > > it into metaphysics, because our laws of physics and mathematics CAN NOT be > > applied for singularities. This question has been asked before to many > > religion leaders; What was God doing before He created the universe? And the > > answer usualy is: "God created the universe AND time, and not: the universe > > in time". > > > > Away from religion, this question was the subject of intensive debate > > between Aristotle and Plato and their schools: > > > > Plato considers time to be created with the world, while Aristotle believes > > that the world was created in time, which is an infinite and continuous > > extension. > > Plato says: > >"Time, then, and the heaven came into being at the same instant in order > > that, having been created together, if ever there was to be a dissolution of > > them, they might be dissolved together. It was framed after the pattern of > > the eternal nature, that it might resemble this as far as was possible; for > > the pattern exists from eternity, and the created heaven has been, and is, > > and will be, in all time." > > > > Aristotle believes that Plato's proposition requires a point in time that is > > the beginning of time and there is no time before it. This is inconceivable > > for Aristotle who adopts Democritus notion of uncreated time and says: > >"But so far as time is concerned we see that all with one exception are > > in agreement in saying that it is uncreated: in fact, it is just this that > > enables Democritus to show that all things cannot have had a becoming: for > > time, he says, is uncreated. Plato alone asserts the creation of time, > > saying that it had a becoming together with the universe, the universe > > according to him having had a becoming." > > > > Time for Aristotle is a continuum and it is always associated with motion, > > and as such, it can't have a beginning. He says that time is the "number of > > movement in respect of the before and after, and is continuous In > > respect of size there is no minimum; for every line is divided ad infinitum. > > Hence it is so with time." > > > > Plato on the other hand cosiders time as the circular motion of the heavens, > > while Aristotle said it is not motion but the measure of motion and he says > > that it is like a circle , a structure that has no beginning or end and so > > is endless in both directions. Since everything in the world is finite, also > > time has to be finite and since it is continuous it has to be a circle > > because we cannot conceive of a first time; for any first time we could > > conceive of a time before that., so time has to be circular. > > Arsitotle says: "Now since time cannot exist and is unthinkable apart from > > the moment,
[meteorite-list] Kakovy Meteorite
Keith inquired: > Does anyone know the Modern Name of a Meteorite from "Kakovy" from before > 1890 maybe Russia. Maybe this one? Kakowa, L6, veined Oravita, Romania 45° 08' N / 021° 40' E Fell 1858, May 19, 08:00 hrs After detonations, a stone of 577 grams was seen to fall (W. von Haidinger, Sitzungsbericht der Akad. Wiss. Wien, Math.Naturwiss. Kl., 1859, 34, p. 11). Amount and composition of Ni-Fe, G.T. Prior, Min. Mag., 1919, 18, p. 353. A chromite-feldspar intergrowth is figured, P. Ramdohr, GCA, 1967, 31, p. 1961. Olivine Fa23, B. Mason, GCA, 1963, 27, p. 1011. Or maybe: Guea (also called) Cacak - fell 1891 in Serbia - ungrouped Jelica (LL6) - also Serbia - fell 1889 - also called Chachak or Cacak Best regs, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time"
Then, Mr. Yousef, You are totally correct in saying all rocks are meteorites as well as all matter by a broad definition! Dirk RossTokyo But, on one point I disagree. Time doesn't exist. M Yousef wrote: > Dear Bob; > First, there is a mistake in your question: Nobody says the universe was > created from "nothing". There is nothing called "nothing". "Nothing" is what > is not; i.e. what does not exist. Non-existance can never be turned into > existance. > > What is correct is: The universe was created from a singularity; like a > black hole; a condense matter in almost zero volume (space) and at almost > zero time. Then this matter in this singularity blasted off in what is known > as the big bang and it started expanding (and still). This expanding > universe has in the future three options: 1- keeps expanding for ever (open > universe), 2- conracts again at some point (closed universe), or 3- stops > and stay static (flat universe). If it chooses 2 (depending on its mass > density) it will return to the singularity again and maybe another big bang > again and so on (pulsating universe). > > In either case, one may ask: what was there before this singularity? We can > turn this question religious if you like, but if you dont prefer we can turn > it into metaphysics, because our laws of physics and mathematics CAN NOT be > applied for singularities. This question has been asked before to many > religion leaders; What was God doing before He created the universe? And the > answer usualy is: "God created the universe AND time, and not: the universe > in time". > > Away from religion, this question was the subject of intensive debate > between Aristotle and Plato and their schools: > > Plato considers time to be created with the world, while Aristotle believes > that the world was created in time, which is an infinite and continuous > extension. > Plato says: >"Time, then, and the heaven came into being at the same instant in order > that, having been created together, if ever there was to be a dissolution of > them, they might be dissolved together. It was framed after the pattern of > the eternal nature, that it might resemble this as far as was possible; for > the pattern exists from eternity, and the created heaven has been, and is, > and will be, in all time." > > Aristotle believes that Platos proposition requires a point in time that is > the beginning of time and there is no time before it. This is inconceivable > for Aristotle who adopts Democritus notion of uncreated time and says: >"But so far as time is concerned we see that all with one exception are > in agreement in saying that it is uncreated: in fact, it is just this that > enables Democritus to show that all things cannot have had a becoming: for > time, he says, is uncreated. Plato alone asserts the creation of time, > saying that it had a becoming together with the universe, the universe > according to him having had a becoming." > > Time for Aristotle is a continuum and it is always associated with motion, > and as such, it cant have a beginning. He says that time is the "number of > movement in respect of the before and after, and is continuous In > respect of size there is no minimum; for every line is divided ad infinitum. > Hence it is so with time." > > Plato on the other hand cosiders time as the circular motion of the heavens, > while Aristotle said it is not motion but the measure of motion and he says > that it is like a circle , a structure that has no beginning or end and so > is endless in both directions. Since everything in the world is finite, also > time has to be finite and since it is continuous it has to be a circle > because we cannot conceive of a first time; for any first time we could > conceive of a time before that., so time has to be circular. > Arsitotle says: "Now since time cannot exist and is unthinkable apart from > the moment, and the moment a kind of middle-point, uniting as it does in > itself both a beginning and an end, a beginning of future time and an end of > past time, it follows that there must always be time: for the extremity of > the last period of time that we take must be found in some moment, since > time contains no point of contact for us except the moment. Therefore, since > the moment is both a beginning and an end, there must always be time on both > sides of it. But if this is true of time, it is evident that it must also be > true of motion, time being a kind of affection of motion." > > WE CONCLUDE HERE that time for Aristotle is circular and the world was > created somewhere along this circle while for Plato time is continuous and > was created with the world. Both views have unsolvable drawbacks. > > Ibn Arabi (1165 A.D.) shares the idea of a circular endless time with > Aristotle and that it is a measure of motion, but he does not consider it as > continuum. On the other hand Ibn Arabi agrees with Plato that time is > created with the world and refuses A
[meteorite-list] Re: Constructive info
Dear Robert; Thanks a lot for your valuable advice and information. Also, I really did not mean you in my previous reply ([meteorite-list] One last try) though it came as a reply to a message you initiated. Your comments such as: "Probably beating a dead horse" and the like are not to be mentioned amongst what others said. I can take that with good lough. I know I am a "hard case". I appologise to you in particular for what I said in the previous reply. Robert; who said I am not accepting all the advice,,, I also acknowledged that many times in- and off-list. I have really benefitted from this list and I thank all positive and constructive repliers. Many Thanks & Best Wishes Mohamed === - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: 'George N.' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: Constructive info Hi George, Thanks for the quick reply. > There is no doubt that Mohamed is a difficult case. However, he is not a lost cause > (realizing that you have never made such a claim). I agree with you -- there's always hope. If Mohamed finds a mentor he trusts, he has the potential to go far -- thanks in equal parts to his enthusiasm and fortuitous desert locale. > I agree, Mohamed does not have enough experience in recognizing real meteorites. > But eventually he will. It has always been my desire to shorten the time span associated with "eventually" -- for no one's benefit but Mohamed's. > There were only two or three responses to Mohameds posts which offered > helpful information. And I was one of them. Yes -- your post of January 13th was one of the constructive ones, as were mine from January 7th, 12th and February 3rd. Other positive posts were made by Bob King on the 13th, Allan Treiman on the 31st, and Graham Christensen's and Bob Verish's also on the 31st. There were other helpful posts (early-on) that I did not file. The point is people ~did~ try initially, but evidently gave up when their return questions went unanswered, or their advice went unacknowledged and seemingly unappreciated. > When Mohamed says that he "knows" his rocks are meteorites, it is clear to me that > he is simply very hopeful. You may be right about this. It's not always easy to tell if someone is being literal or not when you can't hear the words being spoken. > I think many people have percieved Mohamed inaccurately, which is always > easy when it comes to email and foreigners. Sometimes I misunderstand Matteo. "Sometimes?" ;-) In Matteo's case, it's clear he doesn't speak English at all, but rather is using a Babel-fish-type translator. So his occasional (frequent?) unintelligibility is mostly the fault of the translation software. Mohamed, in contrast, seems to have excellent English skills. Mohamed: you have passion, and that by itself can take you far. But you must also have trust. I honestly want you to find meteorites, and would love nothing better than to find ways to help you do so. Here is a checklist that will help you succeed: 1. Buy a strong, rare-earth magnet. Aside from your eyes, this is the single most important meteorite hunting tool you can invest in. If you can't find any locally, or can't locate an online business that will mail one to you, let me know and *I* will mail one to you. 2. Forget about metal detectors for now -- they will only slow you down. You can cover much more area per unit time with your eyes. 3. If you ever have overcast days (probably pretty rare in Oman) -- these are EXCELLENT meteorite hunting days. The flat lighting makes it much easier to detect subtle color differences (see #10 below). 4. Resolve yourself to the fact that the first meteorite you find is almost certainly going to be an H- or L- ordinary chondrite. If 1 in 1000 meteorites is a lunar meteorite, for instance, then on average you could expect to find 693 other meteorites before you'd have a 50:50 chance of finding a lunar -- and that assumes that all meteorites are equally recognizable. (A weathered lunar or Martian meteorite is very difficult to visually distinguish from common terrestrial rocks.) 5. In light of #4, purchase a small diamond stone to "window" candidate specimens in the field. Be sure to use distilled water or alcohol when windowing promising stones -- your diamond stone will last longer, and any possible meteorites won't be damaged by chlorine and other impurities found in tap water. 6. Buy a 10x or 12x hand lens (loupe) for examining both the exterior and the window
Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time"
Wow, that's totally true. You are knowledgeable in theoretical physics. Keep up the good work :) Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter >From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time" >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:22:20 + > > > >Dear Bob; >First, there is a mistake in your question: Nobody says the universe was >created from "nothing". There is nothing called "nothing". "Nothing" is >what >is not; i.e. what does not exist. Non-existance can never be turned into >existance. > >What is correct is: The universe was created from a singularity; like a >black hole; a condense matter in almost zero volume (space) and at almost >zero time. Then this matter in this singularity blasted off in what is >known >as the big bang and it started expanding (and still). This expanding >universe has in the future three options: 1- keeps expanding for ever (open >universe), 2- conracts again at some point (closed universe), or 3- stops >and stay static (flat universe). If it chooses 2 (depending on its mass >density) it will return to the singularity again and maybe another big bang >again and so on (pulsating universe). > >In either case, one may ask: what was there before this singularity? We can >turn this question religious if you like, but if you dont prefer we can >turn >it into metaphysics, because our laws of physics and mathematics CAN NOT be >applied for singularities. This question has been asked before to many >religion leaders; What was God doing before He created the universe? And >the >answer usualy is: "God created the universe AND time, and not: the universe >in time". > >Away from religion, this question was the subject of intensive debate >between Aristotle and Plato and their schools: > >Plato considers time to be created with the world, while Aristotle believes >that the world was created in time, which is an infinite and continuous >extension. >Plato says: > "Time, then, and the heaven came into being at the same instant in order >that, having been created together, if ever there was to be a dissolution >of >them, they might be dissolved together. It was framed after the pattern of >the eternal nature, that it might resemble this as far as was possible; for >the pattern exists from eternity, and the created heaven has been, and is, >and will be, in all time." > >Aristotle believes that Platos proposition requires a point in time that >is >the beginning of time and there is no time before it. This is inconceivable >for Aristotle who adopts Democritus notion of uncreated time and says: > "But so far as time is concerned we see that all with one exception are >in agreement in saying that it is uncreated: in fact, it is just this that >enables Democritus to show that all things cannot have had a becoming: for >time, he says, is uncreated. Plato alone asserts the creation of time, >saying that it had a becoming together with the universe, the universe >according to him having had a becoming." > >Time for Aristotle is a continuum and it is always associated with motion, >and as such, it cant have a beginning. He says that time is the "number of >movement in respect of the before and after, and is continuous In >respect of size there is no minimum; for every line is divided ad >infinitum. >Hence it is so with time." > >Plato on the other hand cosiders time as the circular motion of the >heavens, >while Aristotle said it is not motion but the measure of motion and he says >that it is like a circle , a structure that has no beginning or end and so >is endless in both directions. Since everything in the world is finite, >also >time has to be finite and since it is continuous it has to be a circle >because we cannot conceive of a first time; for any first time we could >conceive of a time before that., so time has to be circular. >Arsitotle says: "Now since time cannot exist and is unthinkable apart from >the moment, and the moment a kind of middle-point, uniting as it does in >itself both a beginning and an end, a beginning of future time and an end >of >past time, it follows that there must always be time: for the extremity of >the last period of time that we take must be found in some moment, since >time contains no point of contact for us except the moment. Therefore, >since >the moment is both a beginning and an end, there must always be time on >both >sides of it. But if this is true of time, it is evident that it must also >be >true of motion, time being a kind of affection of motion." > >WE CONCLUDE HERE that time for Aristotle is circular and the world was >created somewhere along this circle while for Plato time is continuous and >was created with the world. Both views have unsolvable drawbacks. > >Ibn Arabi (1165 A.D.) shares the idea of a circular endless time with >Aristotle and
Re: [meteorite-list] Paradox; we need to understand "time"
Dear Bob; First, there is a mistake in your question: Nobody says the universe was created from "nothing". There is nothing called "nothing". "Nothing" is what is not; i.e. what does not exist. Non-existance can never be turned into existance. What is correct is: The universe was created from a singularity; like a black hole; a condense matter in almost zero volume (space) and at almost zero time. Then this matter in this singularity blasted off in what is known as the big bang and it started expanding (and still). This expanding universe has in the future three options: 1- keeps expanding for ever (open universe), 2- conracts again at some point (closed universe), or 3- stops and stay static (flat universe). If it chooses 2 (depending on its mass density) it will return to the singularity again and maybe another big bang again and so on (pulsating universe). In either case, one may ask: what was there before this singularity? We can turn this question religious if you like, but if you dont prefer we can turn it into metaphysics, because our laws of physics and mathematics CAN NOT be applied for singularities. This question has been asked before to many religion leaders; What was God doing before He created the universe? And the answer usualy is: "God created the universe AND time, and not: the universe in time". Away from religion, this question was the subject of intensive debate between Aristotle and Plato and their schools: Plato considers time to be created with the world, while Aristotle believes that the world was created in time, which is an infinite and continuous extension. Plato says: "Time, then, and the heaven came into being at the same instant in order that, having been created together, if ever there was to be a dissolution of them, they might be dissolved together. It was framed after the pattern of the eternal nature, that it might resemble this as far as was possible; for the pattern exists from eternity, and the created heaven has been, and is, and will be, in all time." Aristotle believes that Platos proposition requires a point in time that is the beginning of time and there is no time before it. This is inconceivable for Aristotle who adopts Democritus notion of uncreated time and says: "But so far as time is concerned we see that all with one exception are in agreement in saying that it is uncreated: in fact, it is just this that enables Democritus to show that all things cannot have had a becoming: for time, he says, is uncreated. Plato alone asserts the creation of time, saying that it had a becoming together with the universe, the universe according to him having had a becoming." Time for Aristotle is a continuum and it is always associated with motion, and as such, it cant have a beginning. He says that time is the "number of movement in respect of the before and after, and is continuous In respect of size there is no minimum; for every line is divided ad infinitum. Hence it is so with time." Plato on the other hand cosiders time as the circular motion of the heavens, while Aristotle said it is not motion but the measure of motion and he says that it is like a circle , a structure that has no beginning or end and so is endless in both directions. Since everything in the world is finite, also time has to be finite and since it is continuous it has to be a circle because we cannot conceive of a first time; for any first time we could conceive of a time before that., so time has to be circular. Arsitotle says: "Now since time cannot exist and is unthinkable apart from the moment, and the moment a kind of middle-point, uniting as it does in itself both a beginning and an end, a beginning of future time and an end of past time, it follows that there must always be time: for the extremity of the last period of time that we take must be found in some moment, since time contains no point of contact for us except the moment. Therefore, since the moment is both a beginning and an end, there must always be time on both sides of it. But if this is true of time, it is evident that it must also be true of motion, time being a kind of affection of motion." WE CONCLUDE HERE that time for Aristotle is circular and the world was created somewhere along this circle while for Plato time is continuous and was created with the world. Both views have unsolvable drawbacks. Ibn Arabi (1165 A.D.) shares the idea of a circular endless time with Aristotle and that it is a measure of motion, but he does not consider it as continuum. On the other hand Ibn Arabi agrees with Plato that time is created with the world and refuses Aristotles proposal that the world is created in time. In fact Plato was right when he considered time to be created, but Aristotle refused this because he could not conceive of a starting point to the world nor to time. Only after the theory of general relativity in 1915 that introduced the idea of cur
