Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Hi Jim, list - In all of my Adena and Hopewell reading and site visits I have never seen anything like this object or read a description which might match it. The object was reported near an Adena site, but since all of those sites were prime real estate which was re-occupied by colonists, it is likely that this object is modern. Where exactly was the location? I note the surface revealed by the carved initials - Could it be water rounded coal? A stream boulder blackened by fire? The symmetry is baffling. no joy this time, so good hunting, Ed --- Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have any ideas? Obviously not a meteorite but here is the story. I have a friend who has what he thinks is a metorite which was disccovered near an adena indian burial mound by a grave digger in 1894 and given to a doctor for a medical bill. This possible metorite weighs about 75 lbs. and is black in color like the one you have for same but it is more symmetrical and water melon shaped. Here is the photo: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/000.jpg Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Hi all - I considered labeling this OT or AD, but... Sterling - I cover the Native American epidemics in Man and Impact in the Americas. While there was a major epidemic ca. 1200 C.E. (A.D.) it does not appear to have been Black Death, which occured 1347 CE and following years. The symptoms of the ca. 1200 CE epidemic seem to have been different than Black Death. If you have any info otherwise, Sterling, please share it with me for the second edition. Ed --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Doug, Martin, List, Operating on the principle that the longer I talk, the more likely my chance to really annoy someone becomes, I snipped a lot of sentences out of what I originally wrote. The history of the USA up until 1900-1910 is best described as a kind of ongoing conflict, somewhat short of formal war. I was going to say that, so no disagreement there. In fact, the history of most nations can be so described with some accuracy. Even with Martin's addition of a few hundred more wars for Europe, there's a background of conflict that generates them. The Serbian obsession with Kosovo, its ancient homeland, dates from a conquest late in the first millennium AD of the people who still live there, the Illyrians, or rather their descendents, who were there before the first millennium BC, which makes the Serbian historical claim look a little silly. But these ethnic histories solve nothing; one has only to look at the Middle East to have that demonstrated. Such arguments over who is exclusively entitled to the land are endless, unending, and productive of nothing but carnage, even between folks as completely and totally indistinguishable as two Irishmen. United Statesians (so as to avoid the over-broad usage of Americans) mostly have what is so often called a naive view: Why doesn't everybody just forget about settling the score for the past and try to work on solving the problems that exist NOW? The scorn of the sophisticated not withstanding, there is a another name for this: SANITY. If the price of this mental health is to be achieved by, say, modern Europeans, acting as if THEY never had a war, being morally superior to those so backward as to get stuck in conflicts, well, sanity is worth that. That IS the idea -- to dump the past. History, said James Joyce a century ago, is a nightmare I'm trying to wake up from. does Europe have a Battle of Little Bighorn, which... was the fight leading to the demise of a race of people? Duh. Yeah! And the Sioux (and all the other tribes that participated in an INDIAN victory there) still exist, no thanks to General Custer, just as Jews still exist, no thanks to... We weren't going to drag up the past, were we? if the Indians had caught on quicker... American natives caught on right away. They each and all sat in council about what to do about the odd newcomers from the very year they first showed up! Every strategy you can imagine was tried. It's common- place to present these centuries of native statecraft as if they all sat there like idiots until the late 1800's, but that notion is what is really demeaning. A delay of a potential annihilation for centuries is a major achievement; there are innumerable spots around the globe where indigenous peoples have been destroyed in a decade or three. As for uniting scores, even hundreds, of nations with no common language, belief, or culture, ask Tecumseh about how that worked out... The real war was epidemiological. The Black Death made its way into North America ahead of the Europeans, in the 15th century, and was followed shortly by a flood of new European diseases in the next century. Europeans, in person, were entering devastated and de-populated lands everywhere in the New World, north and south. Not that they weren't trying to kill the locals, just that their efforts were puny compared to what the microbes (whose existence both sides were unaware of) accomplished. It's hard to slow down an invasion when your own population is reduced by up to 90%! I'm sorry you were so upset by General Oglethorpe and the Battle of Bloody Marsh, Doug, but I will remind you that it took place after Jerkins carted his ear-in-a-jar up to the British Parliment and got Walpole to declare the Ear War. Had the fortunes of war fallen differently, why, you would be walking the picturesque calles de Neuvo Atlanta, capitol of Las Floridas del Norte, while avoiding the camera-toting USian tourists in their garish shirts and plastic flip-flops... I would love to kick around the causes of the five-day Football War with you, Doug, but I think that it breaks the tenuous chain that links Jenkins' ear to a wet meteorite in a moat surrounded by mocking Frenchmen! Sterling K. Webb
Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester
This whole 'spy poisoned by Polonium 210' thing; whilst clearly tragic for those concerned, it was interesting reading the reports in the press over the weekend, talk about complete misconception after misconception! The revelation that 'you can actually buy a radioactive source in the internet!' Erm, well actually you can buy a powerful Alpha source in your local supermarket (in a smoke alarm). (Key detail is the activity 1uCi!, which the press decided to 'overlook' in their reports) Now show me where you can buy a 700GBq Po-210 source (without any 'questions asked') and I will be worried, until then Dave said: I think I'm gonna start a new hobby. collecting radioactive isotopes. .. As HAL from '2001' would say: 'Im sorry Dave, I'm afraid you can't do that!' :) Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Carothers Sent: 27 November 2006 04:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester As they say in their web site: If you're looking for a clean, accurate, certified radiation sources, here they are... I think I'm gonna start a new hobby. collecting radioactive isotopes. Dave - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester Interesting note-- I just saw this web site featured on CBS news tonight. Included a brief interview with the site operator. It was on because other than magnets, the site sells radioactive materials, including Palodium 210 (and lists a few meteorites, but all show as sold) On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:30:29 -0500, you wrote: Take a look at the supermagnets near the bottom of the page. Massive rare-earth magnets. http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Meteorite on eBay
Hello list :-)I have a nice moon metoerite partslice with crust on ebay :http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180053858476Still at 1 US$ThomasIMCA #0298 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Classification of new iron meteorites
Dear List, we have been told that J.T. Wasson at UCLA currently is the only scientist who takes in new irons for analysis and classification. Regarding Germany it seems that our country has no longer any capacity for instrumental neutron activation analysis of iron meteorites. What about other European countries or the Vernadsky institute for example? We are interested to learn if there are any adept followers stepping into the footsteps of the Grandmaster of irons. Thanks for your efforts in advance Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Hi Sterling, 1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the Bohemians by tossing the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is indisputable. This meteorite is Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where many ethnic Germans lived and was ethnically a contested territory in my understanding. The French actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by the War of Jenkins' Ear which morphed into that of Austrian Succession there. The exciting point being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural appreciation of meteorites which truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural curiousity and a transfer of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due to my own fascination with steel from space. 2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen. Oglethorpe's bellicose expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring to your attention this large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear, intended to correct your statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure of partaking in that euphonious war (Soundly put!). Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's desires, other than hope I would not be called to participate in them. I really have absolutely no opinions or desire to think about human intraspecies' inhumanity. I'll tender a request for a favor that my kindly hijacked thread be returned to romantic, fantasy and other fictional books on meteorites. I have to admit to believing that anything goes in a discussion group, but was unhappy that a thread on romantic and adventure novels with meteorites in their plots turned into a discussion of how Europe had more and longer wars than the USA. :-( ! . ... to imagine the relationship between Caledfwlch, Gram, Hrunting, Naegling, the Magical Giant Sword that slew Grendel's mother, so difficult to hoist or lift up is a recurring theme, and meteorites, which held a special fascination in Germanic cultures and craftmanships is very amazing, though. The stone Ensisheim, which fell in German territory at the time was recognized by the German Emperor in 1492 to have come from the sky, and ordered conserved thanks to him. It is interesting that the civilized world didn't really accept that rock fell from space until L'Aigle pummeled the last holdouts in France more than 300 years later, like a thunder fromThor's hammer. With the greatest respect to France, who seem to have been ahead of the Americans (one can easily imagine that the Americans followed the French lead), I believe the Franco-Germanic relationship strongly colored the French acceptance of meteoritical phenomena and gets to the heart of meteorite status in the milieu. I.e., I bet in the 1740's part of the reason the Elbogen meteorite got such harsh treatment was due to the memory of Ensisheim having been declared a favorable German icon to unite in the war against France, and that Generally that Germans attributed mystical powers to meteorites like no other culture since the ancients. I think the French were strongly influenced by the widespread meteorite reverance thoughout Germanic cultures (take Grimms' tales and Martin's stories of the converted burgrave on Elbogen, and German fascination with hammers, axes and metal in general and a its possible relationship to meteoritic iron), which provided resistance to recognizing that meteorites really did come from heaven as their competing Germanic neighbors believed... Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II Hi, Doug, Martin, List, Operating on the principle that the longer I talk, the more likely my chance to really annoy someone becomes, I snipped a lot of sentences out of what I originally wrote. The history of the USA up until 1900-1910 is best described as a kind of ongoing conflict, somewhat short of formal war. I was going to say that, so no disagreement there. In fact, the history of most nations can be so described with some accuracy. Even with Martin's addition of a few hundred more wars for Europe, there's a background of conflict that generates them. The Serbian obsession with Kosovo, its ancient homeland, dates from a conquest late in the first millennium AD of the people who still live there, the Illyrians, or rather their descendents, who were there before the first millennium BC, which makes the Serbian historical claim look a little silly. But these ethnic histories solve nothing; one has only to look at the Middle East to have that demonstrated. Such arguments over who is exclusively entitled to the land are endless, unending, and productive of nothing but carnage, even between folks as completely and totally indistinguishable as two Irishmen.
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Oops Doug, Thou shalt not over-interpret. I can't find any increased interest in nor any cultural reception of meteorites in German history, transcending those in other countries. Meteorites were vulgar superstition, in best case they were kept in cabinets as curiosities (and later after Enlightment thrown to trash). In the Grimm collection of folk tales, the Elbogen chunk isn't mentioned as felt from sky and it's only one story of a metamorphosis of many others (in this case an addendum of the tale, where some dwarves were turned into stones). Nor aren't there many stones left from pre-1800, nor was meteoritics a monopole of german scientists. There were many more from French, Poland, Russia... And if you want to ride the nationalistic horse, Chladni is a Slovak (or was it Slovene name), hehe. Science always was international, always. Remember the times of the islamic occupation in Spain, where for centuries people bashed their heads in, but on the other hand, the Islamic scientists were authorities in the christian literature like the old Greeks and the Church Fathers. Perhaps a difference is, that Chladni collected reports from old falls, naturally a lot from German sources too, but I'm sure, that if one would study the chronicles in other languages and countries, there are also a lot to be found. (recently someone sent me a cool fireball report from a local Church's chronicle from 17th century). And if you refer to the Ensisheim stone, remember the pamphlets following the fall, where that fall was taken for an evil omen. Thus following the hysterical tradition, that all uncommon phenomena in nature would be bad signs of God's wrath - and in this respect, Europe is quite unique, because, as far as I know, in all other cultures, where meteorites are mentioned (or found), meteorites never had bad connotations. and that Generally that Germans attributed mystical powers to meteorites like no other culture since the ancients. See above and certainly not: Indonesia, Mongolia, Japan, the Inuit, the American Indians, for the Aztecs, Inka ect, you have to look, Arabia and so on I guess quite everywhere meteorites were venerated or at least used for tools or jewellery. Would be a nice new thread! Has anyone pictures of the bracelets of meteoritic iron from 7th-5th century b.C. in the museum of Czestochowa Rakow in Poland, Marcin? Eh and Doug, there wasn't any German national identity until 19th century. And go a little bit back, Charlemagne, were where there the French, where the Germans? It was always multi-ethnical. The racism, if I let the history of colonisation aside and the exaggerated nationalism was rather an invention of the 19th century. And thus I guess Sterling and me didn't want to depress you, as there is hope, for at least some parts on the globe. Meanwhile we are living in a much more communicative, mobile (and hedonistic?) world, in Europe people remember the high price they had to pay for nationalistic insanity, a little bit bad is, that the principle of Cold War had worked well... At least Doug, the preconditions are somewhat better, than they were ever before. Let's have new thread. Pre A.D. 1800 meteoritics! Dirk tell us about Asia! Norbert, Australia? Marie-Pelé France? Serguej, Russia? Andrzej Poland. Rob, da Commonwealth? Christian KK meteorites. Manjoi - India! Joern Germany. Africa? Doug - Middle America And so on! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2006 11:54 An: Sterling K. Webb Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II Hi Sterling, 1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the Bohemians by tossing the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is indisputable. This meteorite is Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where many ethnic Germans lived and was ethnically a contested territory in my understanding. The French actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by the War of Jenkins' Ear which morphed into that of Austrian Succession there. The exciting point being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural appreciation of meteorites which truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural curiousity and a transfer of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due to my own fascination with steel from space. 2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen. Oglethorpe's bellicose expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring to your attention this large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear, intended to correct your statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure of partaking in that euphonious war (Soundly put!). Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's desires, other than hope I would not be called to participate in them. I really have absolutely no opinions or desire to think about human intraspecies' inhumanity. I'll tender a
Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)
I spent 2 days at the Newport Tower dig, but was unable to examine the meteorite, as by then it was in the mayor's office for safe keeping, and the mayor was nowhere to be found. Whether it be meteorite or meteorwrong, it belongs to the city of Newport. I did explain to Jan and Ron Barsted, the directors of the dig, the steps necessary to get it classified and officially recognized, should it be the real thing. As a result it will be taken to Arizona State University for identification. Jan Barsted is a faculty member at ASU. Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should anyone care to comment based on photos alone: http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=26 http//www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=27 C. Devine __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) ebay auctions
Good morning list.1 post only on this.I have 6 ebay auctions ending today and tomorrow.I have a 81 gram sikote-alin/w/a hole in the middle,I also have a 14 gram NWA 4431 (COSMIC ONION 2),a 1948 arizona highways magazine,with a 4 page article with nininger and pics,an 88 gram completely crusted unclassified stone,a 18 gram slice of nwa 2826,and a 16 gram individual of GAO.They are all with buy it nows.Thanks for looking.You can look under the ebay id,ILLINOISMETEORITES. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At MysteriousNewport Tower *except for a meteorite)
Hi Charlie. Good work there, well done for taking the time to go see the site. Hopefully common sense will prevail, and it will be looked at by a lab. Seems at the moment they just have a brown rock and nothing more. As for them visually seeing 'evidence of melting', after 3000 years in damp soil??? I would think this must be a mistake? Do you know if they do any kind of tests than a visual, like a streak test, magnet test etc etc? We had a similar thing here in England UK, in the 1970's with the Danebury meteorite, it was found buried in a Neolithic pit at Danebury hillfort, it was supposedly classified by Oxford University as a weathered chondrite, but no photos or write-ups can be found and the original mass is missing, so not sure if it was a 'mistake' or not - (The whole event Just has striking similarities to what you have been looking at...) Best Mark Ford BIMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: 27 November 2006 12:41 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At MysteriousNewport Tower *except for a meteorite) I spent 2 days at the Newport Tower dig, but was unable to examine the meteorite, as by then it was in the mayor's office for safe keeping, and the mayor was nowhere to be found. Whether it be meteorite or meteorwrong, it belongs to the city of Newport. I did explain to Jan and Ron Barsted, the directors of the dig, the steps necessary to get it classified and officially recognized, should it be the real thing. As a result it will be taken to Arizona State University for identification. Jan Barsted is a faculty member at ASU. Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should anyone care to comment based on photos alone: http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=26 http//www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=27 C. Devine __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2006
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[meteorite-list] Comet attacks Australia!
http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=336477 Residents report comet sighting 27th November 2006, 18:54 WST Residents in central and western Victoria have reported seeing a bright light, possibly a comet, streaking across the sky just before sunset. Callers to ABC Radio reported seeing the bright green coloured object shooting westward in the sky from Bendigo to Horsham in the state's north-west down to Colac in the south-west. One caller, Jeff, said he saw what he thought was a comet about 8.30pm (AEDT) as he was driving into Horsham. It was green like a meteorite or shooting star, he told ABC Radio. It was really pretty bright and you could see something else coming down as well, but what it was I don't know. It more or less came across the west as you were coming into Horsham from the Melbourne side. Monty from Kaniva, near the South Australia border, said the object was bright and appeared to debris trailing behind it. It was before sunset and normally you only see those things in the dark, Monty said. The trail hung in the sky for at least 15 minutes afterward like a jet stream. Allen at Colac said he was sitting at a service station when he noticed what he thought was a comet. I was sitting at the Shell servo at Colac and I was looking to the north and you could see the green light with the tail thing behind it. Brian, who owns a farm at Laanecoorie west of Bendigo, said he and his wife were outside when they saw the comet-like object streak across the sky. We looked up and there was a green comet like thing dropping out of the western sky, Brian said. It dropped over the trees at the back of our property and it was making a tail as it went down. Victoria Police said they had received calls from residents across the state's west, but were unsure what the object was. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
If this is associated with a burial, I would imagine that it may represent an oomorphic effigy - a ceremonial object. It is much too large to be used as a handstone. Does it have any concave surface features? Was it found polished? Perhaps you can send the photo to a local archaeologist. -Thaddeus Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grind stone for black walnuts? - Original Message - From: Jim Strope To: Meteorite Central Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? Anybody have any ideas? Obviously not a meteorite but here is the story. I have a friend who has what he thinks is a metorite which was disccovered near an adena indian burial mound by a grave digger in 1894 and given to a doctor for a medical bill. This possible metorite weighs about 75 lbs. and is black in color like the one you have for same but it is more symmetrical and water melon shaped. Here is the photo: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/000.jpg Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hector Servadec
I read this book with the title translated as 'Off on a Comet'. As I understood the story at the time, the comet passed so close to Earth that people, animals and even a ship were sucked up by it's gravity. At the end, they returned to Earth when the comet returned, and they all piled into a homemade balloon which was captured by Earth's gravity. I seem to remember the Jewish character being simpy referred to as 'the jew', though he did have a name. Pretty repulsive, by modern standards. For example: Oh, your Excellency, my lord, I did not know that it was you, whined the Jew, but without emerging any farther from his cabin. and After considerable hesitation, but still keeping his hold upon the cabin-door, the Jew made up his mind to step outside. What do you want? he inquired, timorously. and Imagining that at least half his property was to be confiscated, the Jew began to break out into his usual formula about being a poor man and having nothing to spare; but Servadac, without heeding his complainings, went on: We are not going to ruin you, you know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] United Nuclear (meteorites, magnets, elements, etc.)
Hi Darren, Interesting note-- I just saw this web site featured on CBS news tonight. Included a brief interview with the site operator. It was on because other than magnets, the site sells radioactive materials, including [polonium] 210 (and lists a few meteorites, but all show as sold) http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm This has been one of my favorite sites for years, as there are metals/chemicals that you can buy here that you can't find anywhere else. Anyone trying to build an element collection will be able to do quite a bit of one-stop-shopping at United Nuclear (e.g. metallic uranium, thorium, polonium, beryllium, potassium and sodium being among the more difficult). --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)
I spent 2 days at the dig, but was unable to view the meteorite, as by then it was in safe keeping in the Mayor's office and the mayor was not to be found. Whether it turns out meteorite or meteorwrong, it belongs to the city of Newport. I did make sure that Ron and Jan Barsted, the organizers of the dig, understood the steps necessary to get it classified and officially recognized if it is the real thing. As a result, they will be taking it for identification to Arizona State University, where Jan Barsted is a faculty member. Here are 2 photos I posted a week ago, if anyone cares to comment based on photos alone: http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=26 http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018id=27 C.Devine ---BeginMessage--- http://www.turnto10.com/news/10392157/detail.html NEWPORT, R.I. -- An archaeological dig at a mysterious Newport Tower turns up -- not much. Archeologists spent a month digging at a structure called the Old Stone Mill. The tower's origins are uncertain -- leading amateur historians to speculate it was built by Nordic Vikings, Irish monks or even stranded Chinese sailors. Archaeologists said the excavation yielded buttons, pottery and glass fragments -- but none dated later than the late 1600s. However, the team believes it found part of a small meteorite that fell more than 2,000 years ago. Many in Newport believe the tower has more local origins. They said it was built under the direction of colonial Governor Benedict Arnold, the great-grandfather of the Revolutionary War traitor. Joyce Clements, an archaeologist involved in the dig, said colonial Rhode Island had craftsmen skilled enough to build it. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message--- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] website GONE
Deo Gratias...for who not know latin its Thanks God... Matteo --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: To all who purchased from my last meteorite sale,a huge thanks.The website is GONE,like I said it would.All purchases and trades are all going out today,so again thanks.Also a HUGE apology to all on this list for the misgivings of all this posts to advertise my sales.There is nothing left to sell.The rest of anything else is on ebay.And just a side note,I wish anyone who likes to do PUBLIC attacks on this list please keep it private.NO ONE LIKES PUBLIC ATTACKS.For some reason some people think that everything here needs to be aired.NO MORE!! Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning fake emails from Meteorite Classified
hello I have received the IIth fake email from the site meteorite times/classified, this a example A visitor has a question about an ad you placed at Meteorites for Sale - Meteorite Classifieds, http://www.meteorite-times.com/classifieds/ . The ad in question is titled Holbrook from ACU Collection. You may reply back directly to this email to contact the viewer. The question was: Hello, Am interested in purchased your item without no delay of purchased the item , i will mind purchasing the item with the final prices of the item and get back to me if the item price is firm. So i want you to know that the item will be purchased at a final price and before i proceeding to purchase the item , i will like to ask you little question about the item . [1.] Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order ) as a mode of payment? [ 2. ] What is the final asking prize you can go at last? [3] Will you let our shipping company to come to you house for the pick up of the item cos we don't want you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item . [4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail out the payment today. [ 5. ] Will you be able to send the excess fund back to the shipping company via western union money transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for the arrangement of the home pick up from your house down to my client.shippment. i'll like this transaction to be kept in utmost trust Thanks NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me with another item which i will purchase it with out any further delay. first, the item its been sold, second the 2 emails have the same text, only the item different, 3th if you answer not arrive any answer from who have sent email. Strange is I not have put any email address visible in the site...warning Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Libyan Desert Glass?
for me is LSDG but the photo have a horrible light... Matteo --- Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Peter wrote: the LDG of this seller looks a bit strange. Is it real or fake? What do the experts think? http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcommon_murreQQhtZ-1 I'm certainly no expert for LDG, but this looks much like hyalithe to me, i.e. opal, and not like LDG. The last piece on his list is surely no LDG, either. Adding to that, this is a new seller from the land of fakes (China) with minimal feedback - so buyers beware! Best, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A probable new Bencubbinite?
Hello a my friend have give to me this item for analyzed. He have buy in a mineral shop years ago. In the label its write arrive from Antartica. The surface its many strange, here you seen the face before the cut http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/318/1zu0.jpg and here the behind http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/158/2ce7.jpg here the same face after the cut http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5795/3uf9.jpg and here a particular http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5795/4vd9.jpg the nichel text give a 100% confirm the piece have nichel, but if after the analysis the resoult is not meteorite, sinceraly I do not what is it Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION
Hi Charles, The strength of the ferric Chloride solution is quite important, it needs to be a reasonably concentrated solution, (too slow and it doesn't give such good results, because the reaction slows after a few minutes, presumably because the surface becomes less 'clean' and doesn't react as quickly, so you need to etch it within a minute or so.). Personally, I have directly compared Nitric Acid etching to Ferric Chloride etching, and found Ferric to be noticeably superior (This is consistent with (I think) 'O' Richard Norton's article in Meteorite magazine some years back, he also discussed tint etching, which uses various chemicals to bring out features by coloring them. No too falls are the same however and I have not tried it on anything other that Gibeon, Campo, Sikhote, Brahin (and a couple of others). I expect the differing Nickel contents will produce varying results with both methods, experimentation is the best policy! ... Best Mark _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Viau Sent: 25 November 2006 04:51 To: mark ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION While Ferric Chloride is safer, it is much slower... and it seems (to me anyway) that the etched definition is much lower I have found a good source for small quantities of nitric acid to be jewelers, especially those that plate gold. They mix hydrochloric with nitric to make aqua regia, an acid powerful enough to dissolve gold. Very dangerous stuff and certainly not an acid that you would ever use on a meteorite, unless you want to see it disappear... however many will sell you a small amount of nitric if you ask. Again, they use the pure stuff so be real careful... take it home wrapped in lots of paper in a box. Dilute it! Typical is a 5% Nitric solution using 100% denatured ethyl alcohol (not the isopropyl type in water) or 1 part pure nitric in 19 parts alcohol. Standard chem. 101 safety statement : Add acid into alcohol!, not alcohol into acid! , wear goggles, use latex gloves and do it in the garage, not the house... CharlyV _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:25 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION Try Ferric Chloride much better and safer. - Available from electronics stores _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2006 01:45 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION Hi to all list members! It has been a long time since I have needed a new bottle of nitric acid. So long that the last time I bought a bottle, it was at a drug store. Really! Short of going 25 miles to a collage chem store, where would be the best place to get a bottle of acid? No one around my town has any! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Balister -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 4:48 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing
Greetings I have a few eBay auctions closing in a few hours including a 25 gram lot (10 fragments) of tatahouine which currently sits at the price for one of the smaller stones. In addition there is another small tatahouine that has shattercone features on one face, a CV3 with a CM2 type inclusion, a couple L3s and others. You can see them all that the following URL. http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=katy2kary -- Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Hi Doug, list - If you're trying to get a grasp on different peoples attitudes towards meteorites, you have to go back and examine the impact events which affected them. For the Germanic peoples, the Kali impact appears to have been a major influence. For the areas further west, formerly part of the Roman Empire, pretty much all impact lore was first suppresed with the establishment of the Empire, when the Etruscan religious institutions associated with the Republic were suppressed. Later, the Church pretty much enforced Platonic doctrine, in which meteorites were suppressed, as they would show a less than perfect creation. The French lead in modern meteoritics may probably best be viewed as a reflection of their attempts to lessen the power of the Church in their lives. As far as colonial American (English) attitudes went, you need to consider Newton as platonic to some degree. Meteorites don't fit into Newton's clockwork universe, and thus we have Jefferson's famous statement. Where this affected me was in the lack of colonial reporting on Native American attitudes. So far, and please don't ask me for the dead citation on this, as it would take several hours to find, Mooney (1890's) reported on the Cherokee trade in meteorites, and that the Cherokee generally valued them like money for trade. The list knows of the excavated meteorites, and I can tell you that they generally have religious use by the peoples. In closing, I would also like to thank Piper Holier for his trade of the Canyon Diablo for the copy of Man and Impact in the Americas, (now available through amazon.com). It would be nice if it were possible to make North American irons available, but the need for religious items to be acquired by trade makes this difficult. Let me close this note by stating that your North American iron meteorites will fetch extremely good value in handcrafted art if traded at powwow, particularly if they are prepared for fire starting or as mirrored surfaces. good hunting, Ed --- MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sterling, 1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the Bohemians by tossing the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is indisputable. This meteorite is Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where many ethnic Germans lived and was ethnically a contested territory in my understanding. The French actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by the War of Jenkins' Ear which morphed into that of Austrian Succession there. The exciting point being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural appreciation of meteorites which truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural curiousity and a transfer of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due to my own fascination with steel from space. 2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen. Oglethorpe's bellicose expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring to your attention this large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear, intended to correct your statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure of partaking in that euphonious war (Soundly put!). Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's desires, other than hope I would not be called to participate in them. I really have absolutely no opinions or desire to think about human intraspecies' inhumanity. I'll tender a request for a favor that my kindly hijacked thread be returned to romantic, fantasy and other fictional books on meteorites. I have to admit to believing that anything goes in a discussion group, but was unhappy that a thread on romantic and adventure novels with meteorites in their plots turned into a discussion of how Europe had more and longer wars than the USA. :-( ! . ... to imagine the relationship between Caledfwlch, Gram, Hrunting, Naegling, the Magical Giant Sword that slew Grendel's mother, so difficult to hoist or lift up is a recurring theme, and meteorites, which held a special fascination in Germanic cultures and craftmanships is very amazing, though. The stone Ensisheim, which fell in German territory at the time was recognized by the German Emperor in 1492 to have come from the sky, and ordered conserved thanks to him. It is interesting that the civilized world didn't really accept that rock fell from space until L'Aigle pummeled the last holdouts in France more than 300 years later, like a thunder fromThor's hammer. With the greatest respect to France, who seem to have been ahead of the Americans (one can easily imagine that the Americans followed the French lead), I believe the Franco-Germanic relationship strongly colored the French acceptance of meteoritical phenomena and gets to the heart of meteorite status in the milieu. I.e., I bet in the 1740's part of the reason the Elbogen meteorite got such harsh treatment was due to the memory of Ensisheim having been declared a favorable
[meteorite-list] Fireball Shoots Across Australian Sky
http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200611/1798687.htm?southeastsa 'Fireball' shoots across SA sky Australian Broadcasting Corporation November 27, 2006 There have been reports of at least one large fireball in the sky over south-eastern South Australia. The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) says the fireball was most likely a meteor. It shot across the sky soon after 8:00pm ACDT and was followed by what sounded like a large explosion. BOM and police say they have received dozens of phone calls from residents in Adelaide and as far away as the Victorian border. One Riverland resident, Dennis Schiller, was travelling in his car when he saw it. We were looking to the south and this massive fireball came out of the sky and it seemed to increase as it come down, he said. We were absolutely amazed with what we saw ... and we were there discussing it and it would have been a good two minutes later that we heard a massive explosion. - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20832210-1702,00.html Sunset 'comet' reported across state news.com.au (Australia) November 27, 2006 RESIDENTS in central and western Victoria have reported seeing a bright light, possibly a comet, streaking across the sky just before sunset. Callers to ABC Radio reported seeing the bright green coloured object shooting westward in the sky from Bendigo to Horsham in the state's northwest down to Colac in the southwest. One caller, Jeff, said he saw what he thought was a comet about 8.30pm (AEDT) as he was driving into Horsham. It was green like a meteorite or shooting star, he told ABC Radio. It was really pretty bright and you could see something else coming down as well, but what it was I don't know. It more or less came across the west as you were coming into Horsham from the Melbourne side. Monty from Kaniva, near the South Australia border, said the object was bright and appeared to debris trailing behind it. It was before sunset and normally you only see those things in the dark, Monty said. The trail hung in the sky for at least 15 minutes afterward like a jet stream. Allen at Colac said he was sitting at a service station when he noticed what he thought was a comet. I was sitting at the Shell servo at Colac and I was looking to the north and you could see the green light with the tail thing behind it. Brian, who owns a farm at Laanecoorie (Laanecoorie) west of Bendigo said he and his wife were outside when they saw the comet-like object streak across the sky. We looked up and there was a green comet like thing dropping out of the western sky, Brian said. It dropped over the trees at the back of our property and it was making a tail as it went down. Victoria Police said they had received calls from residents across the state's west, but were unsure what the object was. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 869 and Unclassified Ending
Dear List Members, I have a number of NWA 869 Individuals and 1-kilo lots ending today and Wednesday, the largest is 18 kilos! There are also 1-kilo Unclassified lots and Individuals that I reduced the price on. All these can be seen under my eBay seller name, NaturesVault. All have the Buy it Now feature so you do not have to sit and bid, just click away and they are yours. Best regards and Thanks for the bids, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List Member Derek Yoost in the News
Dear Listees: Greetings from Tucson. Meteorite List member, and my long-time friend from New Jersey, Derek Yoost is featured in a news article about meteorites and meteorite collecting: http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061127/ COMMUNITIES/611270323/1203/NEWS01 Derek is an accomplished paleontologist and discovered an entirely new species of mosquito in fossil amber, some years ago. Derek and I have spent many happy days in the field together and he is also an expert preparator of fossils and meteorites. Some of the high-end meteorites you've seen featured in auctions in New York and California were prepared by Derek. Good to see him getting some well-deserved recognition. Nice going Derek! Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of new iron meteorites
Greetings Sven Meteorite List! I am sorry to hear that the presitgious German facilities are no longer available. However, I am happy to report that we can do neutron activation analysis and ICP-MS here at the UA Southwest Meteorite Center of the Lunar Planetary Laboratory. Please contact us before sending any specimens. Thank you, Dolores Hill Lunar Planetary Lab/SWMC University of Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, we have been told that J.T. Wasson at UCLA currently is the only scientist who takes in new irons for analysis and classification. Regarding Germany it seems that our country has no longer any capacity for instrumental neutron activation analysis of iron meteorites. What about other European countries or the Vernadsky institute for example? We are interested to learn if there are any adept followers stepping into the footsteps of the Grandmaster of irons. Thanks for your efforts in advance Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Need Metal Detector Please
Does Anyone want to sell there metal detector to a meteorite hunter. I could go to a store but I would like to save some money. Nothing To Expensive. Maybe in the 200-300$ range. I would appreciate it. Thanks justin! - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hit-and-Run as Planets Formed
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Nov06/hit-and-run.html Hit-and-Run as Planets Formed Planetary Science Research Discoveries November 27, 2006 --- Collisions between large protoplanets as the planets formed may have ripped some of them to shreds, producing molten asteroid-sized bodies, driving off water and other volatiles, and scrambling partially molten protoplanets. Written by G. Jeffrey Taylor Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology Planet formation involved collisions between Moon-sized or larger protoplanets to make even bigger ones. However, planet growth is not the only result of the collisions. Erik Asphaug, Craig Agnor, and Quentin Williams (University of California, Santa Cruz) point out that many protoplanet interactions were what they call hit-and-run collisions, causing substantial effects on the bodies, particularly on the smaller one. The effects might have included widespread melting, disruption, and formation of an assortment of metal-rich objects that might be found among asteroids and meteorites. Their ideas give cosmochemists a whole new way of looking at asteroid formation and planetary differentiation. Reference: * Asphaug, E., C. B. Agnor, and Q. Williams (2006) Hit-and-run planetary collisions. Nature, v. 439, p. 155-160. Giant Impacts as Planets Formed Planet formation was rough, messy, and complicated. Dust grains did not settle gently onto slowly-growing rocky bodies. Instead, bodies a few hundred kilometers across grew fast and then accreted into larger objects that ranged in size from 1000 km across to the size of Mars. These protoplanets smashed into each other over a period of about 50 million years to form the terrestrial planets and one such collision, a slightly off-centered one, resulted in formation of Earth's Moon. Computer simulations of the process of planet formation generally assume that most of the collisions result in accretion. That is, the smaller protoplanet becomes part of the larger one, and the now larger object has taken another step towards planethood. [painting of two body collision] The current view of formation of the terrestrial planets involves collisions between growing protoplanets. In this painting by James Garry an object larger than the Moon is hit by a smaller one, resulting in growth of the larger protoplanet. Erik Asphaug and his colleagues point out that not all protoplanetary encounters result in accretion. In many cases the smaller object barely hits the bigger one, but ends up greatly affected by the close encounter. It may even be ripped apart. Part of the reason for this destruction is that the gravity field of the larger protoplanet extends well beyond the surface of the object. There is a zone of interaction from the center out to about 2.5 times the radius of the target that is strong enough to exert tidal forces on solid or molten objects, even if the smaller protoplanet does not make physical contact with the larger one. The outer limit of this zone is called the Roche limit, named after Edouard Albert Roche, a French mathematician. (The Roche limit is the smallest distance at which a planetary object that has no internal strength can orbit another body without being torn apart by the larger body's gravitational force.) The UC Santa Cruz researchers used computer models of planetary interactions to examine what happens during close encounters that do not lead to accretion. In the calculations, both the impactor and the larger target protoplanet are differentiated into metallic core and silicate (rocky) mantle, with the core making up 30 weight percent of the volume. Sudden Pressure Decrease Large protoplanets would have been compressed because gravity pulls everything towards the center of the body. There is considerable energy tied up in this compression. For a Mars-sized protoplanet, Asphaug and coworkers calculate that decompression of the planet's mantle releases about the same amount of energy per gram as does TNT. This energy is available for heating the entire body, including considerable melting of the rocky mantle. This happens because the melting temperature of rock increases with increasing pressure. If the pressure drops without cooling, melting ensues. The hit-or-miss team calculates that the pressure inside the smaller protoplanet could decrease 30 to 50% for about an hour during a non-impact close approach (see graph below), resulting in a permanent decrease of 20% because of mass loss and increase in the protoplanet's rate of rotation. The pressure drop could cause widespread melting or, if the body is already partly molten, widespread increase in the percentage of the interior that is molten. [graph of pressures vs. time] This graph depicts how a non-impacting close approach of a Moon-sized protoplanet with a body the size of Mars
[meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers
Greetings, all, Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW green laser pointers? I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping there's a connection for cheaper ones. I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China. Cheers, Pete _ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers
Hi Pete, The ones from China are the same ones that are imported here at the low price end through middlemen who will need their $ cut. They are less expensive and all you have to do is wait two weeks, but I don' know anyone who's had a problem and many of us have ordered. If you do buy one here, expect to pay $7 to $10 more if you are lucky on the least expensive ones, and in a month you will forget you ever had to wait with your pointer in hand. Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers Greetings, all, Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW green laser pointers? I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping there's a connection for cheaper ones. I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China. Cheers, Pete _ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in one day!!
Hi all, Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting friends had told me about a particular area in California where they had been finding meteorites. When I expressed interest in finding a California Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates. Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave I made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405 fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling 425 for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away) My Son and I initially thought that our finds would pair with our two friends. But when we compared them, there were many differences in color, magnetic pull and of course location. Today we're just not sure. Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of what happened this weekend as I took my friends back to try and find more. The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag Feb 2007. Take a look at a few of the pictures. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1 Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers
Gracias, Doug, This will give me the confidence for a Chinese Ebay purchase with one of their more scrupulous dealers. Cheers, Pete From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:32:11 -0500 Hi Pete, The ones from China are the same ones that are imported here at the low price end through middlemen who will need their $ cut. They are less expensive and all you have to do is wait two weeks, but I don' know anyone who's had a problem and many of us have ordered. If you do buy one here, expect to pay $7 to $10 more if you are lucky on the least expensive ones, and in a month you will forget you ever had to wait with your pointer in hand. Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers Greetings, all, Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW green laser pointers? I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping there's a connection for cheaper ones. I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China. Cheers, Pete _ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Ready for the world's first international mobile film festival celebrating the creative potential of today's youth? Check out Mobile Jam Fest for your a chance to WIN $10,000! www.mobilejamfest.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:23:24 -0500, you wrote: Greetings, all, Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW green laser pointers? Forget green-- go for a Blu-Ray laser. Only $1999! http://www.wickedlasers.com/sonar.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!
Hello Ruben, list, worldfamous American painter Mark Tobey once created an etching entitled 'After harvest': That's the last of your fotos. Great sequence and report, thank you for sharing with us, and: congratulation! Particularly nice picture: your son with the meteorites, the young one inclining towards the old wanderers, now arrived. Best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; moni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!! Hi all, Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting friends had told me about a particular area in California where they had been finding meteorites. When I expressed interest in finding a California Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates. Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave I made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405 fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling 425 for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away) My Son and I initially thought that our finds would pair with our two friends. But when we compared them, there were many differences in color, magnetic pull and of course location. Today we're just not sure. Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of what happened this weekend as I took my friends back to try and find more. The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag Feb 2007. Take a look at a few of the pictures. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1 Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!
Thanks Matthias, We had a blast! Thanks, Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Another Batch of Great Auctions Ending Soon....
From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:28 PM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: Another Batch of Great Auctions Ending Soon Hello, Please check out my Auctions ending soon, some real awesome pieces and their prices are still a bargin! A 105 gram endcut of a beautiful Mesosiderite! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200049978899 Check this classic Howardite out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200049980437 A very dreamy and beautiful piece of Gujba, worth a peak! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200049980437 A 37 gram specimen of a NEW Pallasite, still real cheap! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200050412958 NWA 2378, NEW H3.5, 43.20 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200050421199 Check this R3.8, 12 gram slice out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200050422291 Rare Fall from Pakistan, MARDAN! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2000504166258 And many, many more great specimens. See all at: http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Click into auctions to see all that are ending soon! Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!
Congratulations Ruben; I can only imagine your (and your son's!) excitement when you happened upon that area! That's the stuff that dreams are made of (especially for us desert meteorite hunters)! Best, Art On 11/27/06, Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Matthias, We had a blast! Thanks, Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Bucklebo Martin, thanks for the kind comments -- I re-read my post, your words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart. I'm guilty for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients. I think Ed would be the better expert in that department on this side of the Atlantic. You speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a treatment of things meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands... I'd like to know more about that! I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared, deified, or imbued with magical qualities. Are you perhaps thinking of Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus? I think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple his virgin mother then bore him and others. So Xocotl's mother may have been fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others I've made:-) Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes mummified Iron meteorite found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA. I say mysterious peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they may actually be somewhat Navajo. Unfortunately, the information on that culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive. But the Casas Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region was populated. Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties. The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious culture, to make tribute payments to the empire. In fact, it seems to just mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared anywhere on the scene. There is contentious speculaion that that particular culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to add more on that subject. It seems to me they were their own independent culture eventually centered in Paquime, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso Texas, where the meteorite was dug up. Hopefully we can learn more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so limited and thus dominated more by speculations. I am not aware of too much shared divinities as evidence of closeness between frescos of Aztecs and this culture though a minimal amount is no doubt in-common. The the next meteoritic thing in my neck of the desert, sitting above the northern tip of Mesoamerica, I can mention are the few tektites found way down in the ancient Mayan city of Tikal - but that would be in Guatemala already. These unique chards which are mysteries themselves as no more paired have been found after extensive scientific field work and study, and they are generally Chicxulub era mintage. What surprises me, is not the great deal of evidence of meteorites in the Aztec and Mayan cities, but rather the lack of it. I really would have thought more references, stone monuments and mozaics, carvings could have been passed along. We're talking about a culture with debatably as sophistiated astronomers and celestial timekeepers rivaling the Europeans and Arabs during periods in their history. I'd be very interested to be reminded if I have missed any mythology here even with the destruction here that has ensued there has been a great deal of stoneworks preserved and I am unaware of meteorites and comets showing on any of them despite the observatories and sophistication. Martin, I appreciate your kind humility regarding the historical record of Germanic accomplishments. I wasn't referring to your Grimms' tale, but rather the Grimms' Star Money which I posted the other day. On the other hand the accomplishments of Chinese, Arab, and Japanese, among others certainly survived in some shapes and forms and deserve a more important mention than I foolishly brushed by at 4:00 AM. I think though you've assumed a bit too much about my thoughts of rites and legend and today's Germany as a nation. My use of German- and Germanic was intended to cover everyone from King Arthur to the Vikings, I hope Gauls (not sure are they Germanic?), as well as the Barvarians...Am I wrong with this? The qualities of these peoples and their attraction to these metals for weapons, Excalibur itself I mentioned, the sword legend would have pulled from a stone...etc... Perhaps the Romans with the push for de-paganization most effectively stiffled throughout the empire idolization of metals and weapons and that is the simple reason - I don't know - that sounds like an Ed question.. But, since you
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in one day!!
Hi Ruben, This is awsome! Quite a score! 12+ pounds! Pat Brown A Nevada meteorite hunter living in Spokane Valley, WA --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting friends had told me about a particular area in California where they had been finding meteorites. When I expressed interest in finding a California Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates. Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave I made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405 fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling 425 for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away) My Son and I initially thought that our finds would pair with our two friends. But when we compared them, there were many differences in color, magnetic pull and of course location. Today we're just not sure. Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of what happened this weekend as I took my friends back to try and find more. The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag Feb 2007. Take a look at a few of the pictures. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1 Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)
--- Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should anyone care to comment based on photos alone: Yeah I'll bite. The photos don't exclude this from being a meteorite and the empty depressions might be missing condrules. This doesn't look like an iron. Yet again a little knowledge is dangerous. We don't know what it is so it must be a meteorite, implying we on the dig are all knowing except for what we don't know otherwise. We don't know what kind of meteorite it is so u a IT is A NICKEL IRON... (I read that somewhere in Popular Science). I guess we should give a little more slack to those who's knowledge is limited to Hollywood. Today I saw a common concretion on EBay from Australia that was identified as a meteorite by the local Archeology Department. I understand that--When I find a shard of Indian pottery I always consult a home economics professor for identification. This is a nickel-iron meteorite???-- Don't think so, if you adhere to the definitions of the meteoritical community. Thanks for checking this out Charlie but a point of caution. The Academic types don't like (ahem..) Amateurs telling them anything that could threaten their proclamations. When you got to the part of about cutting and donating the 20% part I am sure they tuned you out. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test...Please Delete.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Whe, Martin, thanks for the kind comments -- I re-read my post, your words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart. I'm guilty as charged for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients. I think Ed would be the better expert in that department on this side of the Atlantic. You speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a treatment of things meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands... I'd like to know more about that. I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared, deified, or imbued with magical qualities. Are you perhaps thinking of Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus? I think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple his virgin mother then bore him and others. So Xocotl's mother may have been fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others I've made:-) Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes Iron meteorite mummy found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA. I say mysterious peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they may actually be somewhat Navajo. Unfortunately, the information on that culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive. But the Casas Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region was populated. Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties. The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious culture, to make tribute payments to the empire. In fact, it seems to just mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared anywhere on the scene. There is contentious speculaion that that particular culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to add more on that subject. It seems to me they were their own independent culture eventually centered in Paquimé, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso TX - Juarez MX, where the meteorite was dug up. Hopefully we can learn more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so limited and thus dominated more by speculations. I am not aware of too much shared divinity evidence though a minimal amount is no doubt common. The the next meteoritic thing in my neck of the desert, sitting above the northern tip of Mesoamerica, I can mention are the few tektites found way down in the ancient Mayan city of Tikal - but that would be in Guatemala already. These unique chards which are mysteries themselves as no more paired have been found after extensive scientific field work and study, and they are generally Chicxulub era mintage. What surprises me, is not the great deal of evidence of meteorites in the Aztec and Mayan cities, but rather the lack of it. I really would have thought more references, stonework or carvings could have been passed along. We're talking about a culture with debatably sophistiated astronomers and celestial timekeepers rivaling the Europeans and Arabs during periods in their history. I'd be very interested to be reminded if I have missed any mythology here even with the destruction here that has ensued there has been a great deal of stoneworks preserved and I am unaware of meteorites and comets showing on any of them despite the observatories and sophistication. Martin, I appreciate your kind humility regarding the historical record of Germanic accomplishments. I wasn't referring to your Grimms' tale, but rather the Grimms' Star Money which I posted the other day. On the other hand the accomplishments of Chinese, Arab, and Japanese, among others certainly survived in some shapes and forms and deserve a more important mention than I foolishly brushed by at 4:00 AM. I think though you've assumed a bit too much about my thoughts of rites and legend and today's Germany as a nation. My use of German- and Germanic was intended to cover everyone from King Arthur to the Vikings, I hope Gauls (not sure are they Germanic?), as well as the Barvarians...Am I wrong with this? The qualities of these peoples and their attraction to these metals for weapons, Excalibur itself I mentioned, the sword legend would have pulled from a stone...etc... Perhaps the Romans with the push for de-paganization most effectively stiffled throughout the empire idolization of metals and weapons and that is the simple reason - I don't know. But, since you mention the enlightenment to Chladni's
Re: [meteorite-list] A probable new Bencubbinite?
That is my assessment! Some guys have all the luck. Please let us know the results. Elton --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello a my friend have give to me this item for analyzed. He have buy in a mineral shop years ago. In the label its write arrive from Antartica. The surface its many strange, here you seen the face before the cut http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/318/1zu0.jpg and here the behind http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/158/2ce7.jpg here the same face after the cut http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5795/3uf9.jpg and here a particular http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5795/4vd9.jpg the nichel text give a 100% confirm the piece have nichel, but if after the analysis the resoult is not meteorite, sinceraly I do not what is it Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Hi Jim - The remains at Moundsville are covered in my book Man and Impact in the Americas, and I have visited there several times, inclusing tracing the Grave Creek trade path. There was extensive Native American settlement in the entire area (map page 133 Man and Impact in the Americas). Most of the mounds were pretty well leveled by 1894, excepting the Main mound. I have not visited the other mound which you mention still exists. I'm sure that maps from 1894 would show active European cemeteries. These could be compared against Schoolcraft's map. The area was also very heavily industrialized by 1894, so some industrial object can not be excluded. Perhaps a buisness directory or town directory or some such would allow identification of the individual in the initials. Check with the genealogical section of the library in Moundsville. (PS - They have a copy of my book, available for free loan.) As I mentioned before, I've never seen anything like it. The WVA archaeologists someimes meet at the museum at the big mound, so you could stop by there and check when they will be meeting. Or you might try contacting them through the internet. What material is the object composed of? Ed --- Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed.. I don't know how to take the name grave digger. I am guessing that is a polite way of saying that he dug into indian burrial mounds in the area. The initials, I am guessing, are of the finder since the 1894 corresponds to the year that it was supposedly found. There are no river rocks like that in this area. However, it has been suggested by another list member that it could be transported glacial rock. The glaciers stopped their advance along a line in Northern Ohio which is probably about 100 miles north of where this was found.Moundsville WV. There were several adena burial mounds in this area. Still are two. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester
--- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: talk about complete misconception after misconception! Now show me where you can buy a 700GBq Po-210 source (without any'questions asked') and I will be worried, until then... PssstMark c'mere Opening rain coat to expose a shop's worth of trinkets Rolex Replica Watches? French Postcards? Transuranic isotopes? It was laughable but no real surprise that the press was reporting this was a miniature atomic bomb inside the body. Talking empty heads are all that is left in journalist ranks. Few folks realize that most of the heavy metal radioactive elements are chemically poisonous in addition to their radiation dangers. Polonium is a neutron source used to ensure a runaway fission event aka atomic explosion, and like plutonium and thallium they are chemically at the top of inorganic toxins. Slippery stuff too. When the package of polonium arrived at the Trinity Site in July 45 the Dewar flask had failed and was empty. In the New Mexico heat the polonium had liquefied. After a brief search it was found puddled in the bottom of the shipping crate. Actually about 10-15 years back you COULD purchase most everything except plutonium isotopes across the counter. In the 80's some folks did indirectly purchase plutonium in scrap reactor steel. It was recycled by Border Steel in El Paso,TX into chair and table legs and sold throughout the US. Interesting story on how it was discovered. Now shall we talk about radioactive meteorites? I do recommend a Geiger scan for unusual falls on the out chance that it is space debris from a Topaz Plutonium powered thermocouple power unit that the Soviets launched and failed to keep track of. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
Hi, Doug, Hijacking your nice thread again... The tektites in Tikal didn't find their way there by any other means than falling out of the sky. They have been found in the temples, anciently collected, and one much more degraded one has been found in the forests surrounding. Alan Hildebrandt dated them and they fall right into the upper end of the dating spread for Australite/ Indochinite tektites, which, surprise! they look just exactly like. Grab your globe and give it a twirl. Tikal's antipodal point is on the western edge of the Australo-Asian strewn field. Likewise, an Ivorite was recovered from off shore of the Australian coast. equally antipodal to Ivory Coast, unless you think the currents carried it there -:) laughing... Casa Grande was found in 1867: A mass of 3407lb was found in an ancient tomb, E.G. Tarayre (1867). L. Fletcher (1890) implies that this mass was presented to the Smithsonian Institution in 1876. First Description, W. Tassin (1902). Analysis, 7.74 %Ni, G.P. Merrill (1913). Historical note, O.E. Monnig (1939)... Somebody asked for referrences on meteorite collecting by early American cultures (Maybe Ed). Here's one about Hopewell meteorite collecting, except it goes on to discuss dozens of other cultures, locales, and meteorites including Casa Grandes. It's a nice piece of work by Olaf Prufer: https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/4817/1/V61N06_341.pdf No surprize, H. H. Nininger wrote METEORITE COLLECTING AMONG ANCIENT AMERICANS in 1938. That paper can be found at: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7316(193807)4%3A1%3C39%3AMCAAA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W but it's where no mere mortal without official access can view it... You can read the first page, though, which is enough to see that it covers much the same ground as the paper previously cited (up above this one) which you can get to see (and download). Handing the thread back to you, Doug. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II Whe, Martin, thanks for the kind comments -- I re-read my post, your words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart. I'm guilty as charged for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients. I think Ed would be the better expert in that department on this side of the Atlantic. You speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a treatment of things meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands... I'd like to know more about that. I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared, deified, or imbued with magical qualities. Are you perhaps thinking of Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus? I think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple his virgin mother then bore him and others. So Xocotl's mother may have been fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others I've made:-) Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes Iron meteorite mummy found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA. I say mysterious peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they may actually be somewhat Navajo. Unfortunately, the information on that culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive. But the Casas Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region was populated. Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties. The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious culture, to make tribute payments to the empire. In fact, it seems to just mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared anywhere on the scene. There is contentious speculaion that that particular culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to add more on that subject. It seems to me they were their own independent culture eventually centered in Paquimé, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso TX - Juarez MX, where the meteorite was dug up. Hopefully we can learn more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so limited and thus dominated more by speculations. I am not aware of too much shared
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Hi, This is a strictly two-cents-worth opinion, since I have a stone that is a twin to this one (at least, photographically) except that it is only the size of a very small ostrich egg: same shape, same smooth finish, shiny black and dense, not native to this limestone country I live in. It is no mystery. The glaciers brought it here, but then finished it off in the immense and violent outflow that poured forth when the Wisconsin glaciation melted rapidly. The prolate spheroid shape is produced by the stone spinning around its longest axis in the high-speed flow and grinding against everything else in the flow. River cobbles are just as smooth but irregular, even polygonal. But if you spin it fast enough, as the Mississippi must have flowed when it carved a 25-mile wide channel with 200-foot cliffs on either side, this is the shape you get. I found my little one in a gully about ten miles down from where the face of the glacier that sat on Illinois was. This gully wasn't any Mississippi, but I bet it was cut through the limestone in an hour or a day, like a Scablands channel. Or, maybe, it's a Thunderbird egg... Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this? Hi Jim - The remains at Moundsville are covered in my book Man and Impact in the Americas, and I have visited there several times, inclusing tracing the Grave Creek trade path. There was extensive Native American settlement in the entire area (map page 133 Man and Impact in the Americas). Most of the mounds were pretty well leveled by 1894, excepting the Main mound. I have not visited the other mound which you mention still exists. I'm sure that maps from 1894 would show active European cemeteries. These could be compared against Schoolcraft's map. The area was also very heavily industrialized by 1894, so some industrial object can not be excluded. Perhaps a buisness directory or town directory or some such would allow identification of the individual in the initials. Check with the genealogical section of the library in Moundsville. (PS - They have a copy of my book, available for free loan.) As I mentioned before, I've never seen anything like it. The WVA archaeologists someimes meet at the museum at the big mound, so you could stop by there and check when they will be meeting. Or you might try contacting them through the internet. What material is the object composed of? Ed --- Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed.. I don't know how to take the name grave digger. I am guessing that is a polite way of saying that he dug into indian burrial mounds in the area. The initials, I am guessing, are of the finder since the 1894 corresponds to the year that it was supposedly found. There are no river rocks like that in this area. However, it has been suggested by another list member that it could be transported glacial rock. The glaciers stopped their advance along a line in Northern Ohio which is probably about 100 miles north of where this was found.Moundsville WV. There were several adena burial mounds in this area. Still are two. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
