[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Gandom Beryan 002 TS

Contributed by: Timur Kryachko

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/05/2017
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Re: [meteorite-list] Serichi (Habaswein) stability--somewhat answered

[Andrey via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

And many thanks to *everyone *who answered. I somewhat did not expect such
an active course of discussion.

At this point I need to say that I am not only collector (and did't wrote
this anywhere) - I am small dealer also. I cut and prepare irons and
pallasites by myself for 9 years, so I have some experience in this. You
can see my works on ebay for all time, please don't consider advertising.

As all who works with irons and pallasites, I have certain methods of
stabilization. Sometimes they works great, sometimes only for some time,
sometimes don't work at all. The reasons can be imperfection of my methods,
quality of specific initial pieces and rather humid climate where I live.
But the main factor (just my personal opinion) is meteorite itself. Are
there many of us who have seen stabilized for years Dronino or Admire? Even
Brenham or Muonionalusta? Short time - no problem, but for years?

Polished to mirror slice of Sericho without any protect (was left as a test
specifically) get rusty for 5 days. So the purpose of my question was to
understand is this my preparing methods so bad, piece, climate or Sericho
is itself so.

So thank you ALL again, for your advice especially. Happy Holidays and best
wishes from Vilnius,
Andrey








2017-12-05 9:03 GMT+02:00 Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:

> I will take a slightly different approach to the original question. As a
> collector, what was your intent?
>
> If you wanted to display it to enjoy the beauty of a pallasites, then
> stability of the specimen is paramount. If you collect pallasites in
> general
> and wanted to add to your collection to occasionally take out of storage to
> enjoy, then curation of the specimen is paramount. I think we all realize
> that any meteorite with any iron will rust, the real question is at what
> rate based on your storage environment. We should also acknowledge once a
> specimen has gone from the original owner to the next, it is hard to know
> if
> your meteorite is a ruster or not because as mentioned previously, some may
> have been found above ground and others suffered many years underground and
> in constant contact with water with many different minerals present.
>
> I own a large slice of Nantan that by all accounts is a known super ruster
> and yet this slice only has only a light film of gun oil on it and has not
> rusted one tiny bit since purchased 4 years ago. So ...
>
> If you intended to display:
> I counselled my clients to not buy Sericho until it has had its reputation
> proven over a year or two. My personal feeling is that I'd rather
> potentially spend a bit more later than take the chance of having a
> specimen
> disintegrate. If you want to get in early, probably best to spend the extra
> money and get the iron or in this case pallasite specimen stabilized (KD
> Meteorites). If that is not an option, there is nothing wrong with adding a
> layer of lacquer to minimize the effects of being in an open environment as
> long as you realize that you are slowing down the effects of rust and not
> stopping it. The key is making sure that the lacquer is properly applied so
> as not to trap any water in the specimen.
>
> If you want to store:
> Here is my secret. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/BAN4CT/ (Lock &
> Lock Airtight Rectangular Food Storage Container with Drain Tray 131.87-oz
> /
> 16.48-cup) and
> https://www.desiccantpackets.com/loose-silica-gel/pounds-
> loose-bulk-orange-i
> ndicating-silica-gel-desiccant-2-4-mm-beads-moisture-absorber-
> dehumidifier.h
> tml (Orange Silica Gel Beads - Per Pound). The airtight containers work
> very
> well and still provide very easy access to your specimens. Also there is a
> tray that allows you to separate the desiccant on bottom and specimens on
> top. From a curation standpoint and much experimentation, it is hard to
> beat
> this system.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Mendy Ouzillou
> SkyFall Meteorites
> IMCA #8395
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> On
> Behalf Of John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:45 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Serichi (Habaswein) stability--somewhat answered
>
> Sorry Andrey,
>
> Your small/simple question got hijacked. Some people tend to do this.
>
> I hope, that somewhere in the muddle, your questions where answered.
>
> As you may have deduced -- there's no One answer on the stability of any
> meteorite. As Anne stated, there are many variables--where/when found,
> preparation etc.
>
> So Andrey, try to research who you're buying from and also do the sideline
> research on what  may be the best preparation for this particular
> meteorite.
> This can be difficult- you may want to ask this list who are the respected
> preparers of meteorites and then follow up with that person.
>
> In essence, you're almost 

Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

[Chris Colvin via Meteorite-list]

I'll preface this with the fact that I am a collector. Not a dealer... not
interested. Just collecting.
I purchased a part slice of Sericho from Michael Farmer back at the
beginning of the year.
It was prepared extremely well and remains in its case of desiccant inside
of my display case.
There have been no cases of rust, Lawrencite, or any other issues that are
in question with my specimen.
This is in Minnesota where up until recently the humidity doesn't drop
below 60-70% during spring or summer.
Keeping any sort of Iron in check around this part of the country is a
giant pain.
Hope this cleared some of the questions up.


Regards,

Chris

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:49 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> No Adam,
>
> I just gave some praise towards you, to someone. However,
>
> I'm in no way Judge, Jury, Sheriff nor Deputy Again, however I
> am someone that Realizes when someone/anyone begins to spout
> their own tree stump Bull-shit Too often. Gets really old hand.
>
> My question to you is why do you continue to do this -- why, why ??
>
> You don't need to make yourself look like a fool.
> I'm the best fool on any List -- you Now take my place !
>
> With some respect, John
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "metlist" 
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)
>
>
> I was just responding to Mikes post to the List about travel.
> Denationalizing millions of acres is meteorite related since it opens
> these lands back up to searching.
>
> Are you the second list sheriff or just a deputy?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> On 12/4/2017 8:28 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Adam,
> >
> > Now, I truly believe you have lost your focus..
> >
> > And you just want to listen to yourself..whatever you want to say.
> >
> > Adam -- this is the Meteorite List ..--stay on Subject !
> >
> > Subject: - Stabilility of Sericho (Habaswein).
> >
> > What am I Missing ??
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"  meteoritecentral.com>
> > To: "metlist" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)
> >
> >
> > I travel all of the time. I just don't produce Brian Williams type
> > reports every time I return home.  You should be happy to hear that
> > millions of acres (National Monuments) were restored (denationalized)
> > today to meteorite hunting and for actual public use in Utah.  Nevada
> > and California are next.  Perhaps I will explore these areas when they
> > become available again for public enjoyment
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/4/2017 7:56 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> >> As if you know anything about what this was selling for in Japan. When
> if the last time you’ve left your house?
> >>
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> >>>  wrote:
>  It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this
> Pallasite, even
>  in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the
> show has
>  ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.
> 
>  I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing
> collector
>  reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.
> 
>  Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> >
> > Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But
> leaving
> > your sofa is required.
> > We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t
> recall you
> > ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
> > experience.
> >Michael Farmer
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Oops, Chevy
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_
> PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%
> 257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_
> trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.
> TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0
> >>
> >> Rob
> >> --
> >> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
> >> 
> >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
> >> To: "metlist" 
> >> Subject: Re: 

Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

[Mike Miller via Meteorite-list]

Hello all I rarely post to the list, but felt compelled to point out the
obvious. First of all to the HUGE TKW of this find. Do you remember all
those tons and tons of $100 per kilo Gibeons that used to be floating
around? All gone How about the metric tons of Seymchan
pallasites.yep all gone. Or maybe the cargo ships laden with Campo's,
you guessed it almost all gone. Sericho will also be all gone in 10 short
years or less.
 Now to the stability of Sericho, yes it helps to get a big dry specimen to
start with, but most any pallasite can be stabilized. Many times crappy
preparation has resulted in a rusty meteorite, and many more times good
preparation techniques have resulted in a lifetime of beautiful pallsites
in many peoples collections. The Sericho will be just fine, no matter what
the big time know it all's say about it.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> > It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite,
> even
> > in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the show
> has
> > ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.
> >
> > I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector
> > reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> >>
> >> Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But
> leaving
> >> your sofa is required.
> >> We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall
> you
> >> ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
> >> experience.
> >>   Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oops, Chevy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_
> PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%
> 257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_
> trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.
> TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>> --
> >>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
> >>> 
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
> >>> To: "metlist" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)
> >>>
>  The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to
>  this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates
> that
>  Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports
> today of
>  rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and popping
> noises
>  coming from specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from ruster to
> serious
>  ruster.
> 
>  Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment
> other
>  than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade
>  polishing and low humidity storage/display.
> 
>  I avoid rusters at all costs,
> 
>  Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
> > I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and
> > don't see a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working
> great. :-D
> >
> > If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who
> > actually has experience working with the meteorite in question.
> >
> > Additionally,
> > Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range.
> > Expertly prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that
> price. That
> > distinction needs to be made.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >
> >> On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>
> >> My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
> >> clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
> >> preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut
> pieces
> >> of
> >> any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
> >> only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process
> by
> >> trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
> >> humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also,
> exposure
> >> to
> >> direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.
> >>
> >> A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are
> >> several
> >> metric tons of 

[meteorite-list] Meteorites used for iron tools in the Bronze Age

[Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

A segue on iron in meteorites...a new study of Bronze Age tools and
ornaments confirms the use of iron from meteorites, including King Tut's
dagger. Almost all tools were bronze then, but in some rare cases
iron-based artifacts have been discovered dating back to the Bronze Age.
At the time, they lacked the technology to achieve the extreme
temperatures for smelting in order to extract the iron locked inside the
Earth-based ores, so they relied on the extraterrestrial source which
had iron in a workable state. The French researchers used a portable
X-ray fluorescence spectrometer to identify the tell-tale higher nickel
and cobalt content indicating the meteorite sourcing. If you look
closely at the photo in the article, you can see that even Ole King Tut
had a bit of rust to deal with...! 

Here is the full article: 
https://newatlas.com/bronze-age-iron-tools-meteorites/52474/

Happy Holidays to everyone!
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com
IMCA #6830



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[meteorite-list] AD- Cristmas sale CM . HED . Iron ....

[nwameteorites--- via Meteorite-list]

Dear list friend
i have some nice meteorites for sale with good price
60 gr CM complet piece
1620 gr  HED
lunar breccia olivine
R3 750 gr
iron  meteorites
contact me off list  for pictures and price
regards


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

[Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list]

Hi Everyone…

Just picked up on this thread and I agree with MikeM.

However, more to his point, Gibeon sold for as little as $16/kg — and 
spectacular specimens.  The Gibeon Owl — the cover lot of the Heritage 
Meteorite catalog of several years back — that’s right, acquired for $16/kg. 

Certainly there are specimens of Sericho which are wanting, but anyone who 
passes on a chance to purchase good material for $2.00/g let alone $0.20/g will 
find themselves wanting.  If possible, examine the exterior rind before making 
an acquisition  If the olivine and metallic matrix are clearly articulated, 
there’s an excellent chance you’re good. When the exterior surface exhibits a 
lack of material differentiation, that’s when serious weathering has occurred 
and I would suggest being far more cautious. 


All the best / Darryl





> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Mike Miller via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all I rarely post to the list, but felt compelled to point out the 
> obvious. First of all to the HUGE TKW of this find. Do you remember all those 
> tons and tons of $100 per kilo Gibeons that used to be floating around? All 
> gone How about the metric tons of Seymchan pallasites.yep all gone. 
> Or maybe the cargo ships laden with Campo's, you guessed it almost all gone. 
> Sericho will also be all gone in 10 short years or less. 
>  Now to the stability of Sericho, yes it helps to get a big dry specimen to 
> start with, but most any pallasite can be stabilized. Many times crappy 
> preparation has resulted in a rusty meteorite, and many more times good 
> preparation techniques have resulted in a lifetime of beautiful pallsites in 
> many peoples collections. The Sericho will be just fine, no matter what the 
> big time know it all's say about it.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> > It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite, even
> > in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the show has
> > ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.
> >
> > I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector
> > reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> >>
> >> Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But leaving
> >> your sofa is required.
> >> We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall you
> >> ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
> >> experience.
> >>   Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oops, Chevy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>> --
> >>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
> >>> 
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
> >>> To: "metlist" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)
> >>>
>  The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to
>  this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates that
>  Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports 
>  today of
>  rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and popping 
>  noises
>  coming from specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from ruster to serious
>  ruster.
> 
>  Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment other
>  than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade
>  polishing and low humidity storage/display.
> 
>  I avoid rusters at all costs,
> 
>  Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
> > I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and
> > don't see a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great. 
> > :-D
> >
> > If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who
> > actually has experience working with the meteorite in question.
> >
> > Additionally,
> > Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range.
> > Expertly prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. 
> > That
> > distinction needs to be made.
> >
> > 

[meteorite-list] Clear Coat Finishes

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Most clear coat finishes contain water which acts as a solvent and are 
designed to be applied over a base coat.  The base coat is designed to 
be applied over a primer. The primer is the sealant designed to be in 
direct contact with metal.


By skipping the first two processes, you would be applying water or a 
solvent directly to metal, something that is considered sacrilege in the 
automotive industry.


The life span of clear coats is about ten years and even less for lacquer.

Adam
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