[meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?

[Darren Garrison]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/
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[meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHt4NoeWwYXIjlcyAaDowvFEK-FA

Russia nabs meteorite smuggling ring

(AFP) – 7 hours ago

MOSCOW — Amid a huge bounty of contraband goods seized recently at a Russian
airport, one far-out find floored customs officials: chunks of meteorite.

"On the customs declaration, the smugglers identified it as granite for
construction and decoration of office space," Larisa Ledovskikh, a spokeswoman
for customs at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, told AFP on Thursday.

"But our officials could see it was clearly not granite!"

The two smugglers -- who also tried to ship out silver antiques, fossils,
semi-precious stones, microscopes and old books in the suspect cargo -- were
initially charged with making a false declaration on their customs form.

Only after a three-month investigation did officials discover that the mystery
lumps were fragments from outer space and the men part of a larger crime ring
including experts and scientists, Ledovskikh said.

"They were part of an organized criminal gang. They had worked out a plan in
advance to smuggle out of Russian territory and to the Czech Republic... two
meteorite chunks, each weighing 100 grams," she said.

The two men were arrested on Sunday and charged with contraband, a sentence that
carries a maximum of 12 years in prison in Russia.
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[meteorite-list] Well, I'M terribly inspired!

[Darren Garrison]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8509771.stm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?

[Darren Garrison]

Nothing more was said because it turned out to be a big steaming pile of
nothing.
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[meteorite-list] That's no moon, that's-- oh, wait... Yeah, that's a moon.

[Darren Garrison]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/15/the-raw-face-of-the-death-star-moon/
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[meteorite-list] Murchison-- chock full o' stuff

[Darren Garrison]

http://news.discovery.com/space/meteorite-crammed-with-millions-of-organic-compounds.html

Meteorite Crammed with 'Millions' of Organic Compounds

By Ian O'Neill | Mon Feb 15, 2010 04:52 PM ET 

A meteorite that hit the town of Murchison, Australia, hasn't quit giving up its
secrets.

The Murchison meteorite is one of the most studied space rocks because many
pieces were recovered after it was seen breaking up as it fell through the
atmosphere in 1969. Approximately 100 kg of the carbonaceous chondrite was
recovered.

Carbonaceous chondrites are extremely important to scientists as they were
formed from material that existed in the solar system's planet-forming disk of
gas and dust. They are, quite literally, time capsules holding onto a 4 billion
year old record of the birth of our solar system.

In this case, the Murchison meteorite has given us another clue as to the
abundance of organic chemicals that existed before the Earth had formed. In
fact, this particular meteorite may have originated from material older than our
sun.

"We are really excited. When I first studied it and saw the complexity I was so
amazed," said Dr Phillipe Schmitt-Kopplin, of the Institute for Ecological
Chemistry in Neuherberg, Germany.

"Meteorites are like some kind of fossil. When you try to understand them you
are looking back in time."

This new research made use of high resolution spectroscopic tools to identify
the various compounds inside. Although this meteorite has provided scientists
with vast amounts of information about specific carbon-based organics before,
this was the first non-targeted study. In other words, the researchers weren't
tracking down just one type of chemical, they did a broad analysis for all the
chemicals it might contain.

And what they found came as a shock, it appears that the primordial solar system
probably had a higher chemical diversity than present-day Earth.

In this study, 14,000 specific compounds including 70 amino acids were
identified. But this number appears to be the tip of the iceberg; the meteorite
probably contains millions of different organic compounds. More detailed
analysis will now be carried out.

But why is this important? To understand the diversity of organic chemicals that
were floating around a primordial solar system will help us understand how life
may have appeared on Earth. This particular chunk of carbonaceous chondrite
drifted through the gas and dust of the early solar system, collecting all the
basic organic chemistry from around that time, does that mean diverse organic
chemistry is the "norm" for proto-planetary star systems?

These organic compounds are known to exist on comets, asteroids and other
planetary bodies, so what makes Earth the hothouse of life when everywhere else
seems to be lifeless?

If organic chemistry is ubiquitous, perhaps planning to "seed" young star
systems with Earth-based life isn't such a good idea. The conditions for life
may not be that rare after all.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Trespassers will be movie stars...

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:15:58 -0500, you wrote:

>That Georgia judge is backwards hillbilly.  

At the risk of starting another argument on the list, do you have anything to
back up that statement?  Such as the amount of education the judge had, such as
law degrees and such?  Because otherwise that sounds a hell of a lot like the
typical Northen bigotry/prejudice/sterotyping against the south.

>Georgia had everything to do with redneck 

>that judge said, I'd rather die than live in Georgia.  Remember -
>Georgia still has an all-white town that runs out black people.
>
>(cue the banjos)

Yep, that clears that up-- you are just a bigot.  (Oddly, I see that you live if
Florida, not the North.)  
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[meteorite-list] 80 years ago today, first KBO discovered

[Darren Garrison]

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/02/17/2204744.aspx
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Re: [meteorite-list] " Milloners only" Seller response.

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:50:38 -0800, you wrote:

>
>But he does not HAVE the meteorite, the Smithsonian does.  It's just a BS joke.
>

The photo he is using belongs to the AP:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/tech/main6220188.shtml
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[meteorite-list] Prometheus unround

[Darren Garrison]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/19/dr-tongues-3d-house-of-prometheus/
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[meteorite-list] Just found Meteorite Men 1x05

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/owsban

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tzss6k
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[meteorite-list] Check out this meteor!

[Darren Garrison]

http://twitpic.com/14of2q
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:31:58 +, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let me see?

If anyone has it but doesn't want their names attached to giving it away for
free, I lack such compunctions.  Send it to me and I'll make it available for
everyone who wants it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tsunami alert

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:33:27 +, you wrote:

>
>The sirens just went off; Hawaii is expecting a tsunami by 11:00 a.m. 
>locally.  We have about 5 hours to evacuate if needed.  I'm bugging out after 
>we pack and will be offline for a while.  The big problem locally is if the 
>power plant gets inundated, as it is in the flood plain/ central valley of 
>Maui.

A computer model of energy released here:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/27/magnitude-8-8-earthquake-off-chile-coast/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tsunami alert

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:46:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Here in new zealand we are supposed to get hit in about an hour and a halfs 
>time but there is none of the activity like you guys in Hawaii has and other 
>than to avoid low lying areas there is no evacuation order. In some Islands 
>down south is being taken more seriously

The squiggles have arrived in NZ:

http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Xynthia Troubles in Europe

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:57:24 -0500, you wrote:

>That is exactly why I subscribe to the Gia Principle
>

The Gia principle?  That younger Angelina Jolie would get nekkid in pretty much
all of her movies?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123865/

I, too, subscribe to that principle...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools ($33, 040.00)

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:12:51 -, you wrote:

>
>Which is the 'tool'? -  the watch or the person that pays $33,000 for a 2mm x 
>25mm slice of gibeon in an over polished gold case! -  Lol.
>

Answer: the person who thinks it is okay to slice up Gibeon into 2 mm x 25  mm
pieces to put into a watch.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:51:49 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil.
>
>http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM

I grabbed that group of books from the torrent that was mentioned a while back--
one of them is about the Tucson ring.  Here they are in a zip if anyone wants
them:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j0s6ee
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[meteorite-list] Dinosaurs rocked!

[Darren Garrison]

Unless they were iced...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/04/BAFS1CADDJ.DTL

Settled: Dinosaurs done in by asteroid

David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Thursday, March 4, 2010

(03-04) 15:09 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- What killed off all the dinosaurs?

Thirty years ago, UC Berkeley geologist Walter Alvarez offered his revolutionary
answer to that question and incited one of the liveliest controversies in modern
science.

Now an international team of scientists will report Friday that the issue is
settled: Alvarez was right.

In 1980, Alvarez and his colleagues at Berkeley theorized that a monstrous
asteroid 10 miles wide slammed into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula and dug a crater
60 miles wide and 15 miles deep. The impact sent up a huge cloud of ash, soot,
pulverized rock and sulfurous steam that darkened the skies for years like a
nuclear winter, dooming more than half the world's life on land and in the
oceans - microorganisms, plants and animals.

The dinosaurs, those iconic beasts that had ruled the world for 160 million
years, also vanished in that long-lasting cataclysm, the Alvarez team
maintained.

They found worldwide layers of clay containing the rare metallic element iridium
that was scattered by the crashing asteroid; they found the crater caused by the
asteroid impact just off the Yucatan Peninsula at Chicxulub (pronounced
Chic-shoo-loob); and they found tiny spherules of shocked quartz both inside the
crater and far beyond the crash site, from Australia to Europe.

Scores of other scientists have found supporting evidence over the past three
decades and estimated that the asteroid impact set off earthquakes with
magnitudes as high as 11 -inconceivably greater than the quakes that have hit
Chile and Haiti.
The volcano theory

But there are disbelievers among other respected scientists who insist that
violent volcanic eruptions, not asteroids, caused what was one of the worst mass
extinctions in the world's history. Huge layers of volcanic rocks a mile thick
and covering nearly 200,000 square miles are still evidence of those eruptions
in an area of India known as the Deccan Traps, they say.

In Friday's report in the journal Science 41 noted scientists from a wide array
of disciplines declare that those espousing the volcano theory are wrong;
Alvarez and his team were right, they say.

The scientists work in every known discipline - geophysics, paleontology,
climatology, geochemistry, microbiology, zoology, botany and more. They have
re-worked the Alvarez team's findings, gathered new evidence and agree on their
conclusions.

In an e-mail interview Thursday, the leader of the group, Peter Shulte, said the
Chicxulub crater and its global distribution of shocked quartz form the
"fingerprint" backing the asteroid theory, and that the Deccan volcanism
actually started 700,000 before the mass extinction occurred.

The asteroid, he said, struck a sulfate-rich area that released masses of deadly
sulfur aerosols "leading to rapid darkness and cooling of the Earth."

"We conclude that a single impact was the ultimate cause for the mass
extinctions," said Shulte, a geophysicist at the University of
Erlangen-Nurnberg.

Kirk Johnson, a paleobotanist at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science who was
one of the journal authors, said of Alvarez and his many colleagues: "They got
it right; it was an inspired body of work."
Scientist unconvinced

But Gerta Keller, a Princeton paleontologist and geochemist who is a leading
expert on global catastrophes and mass extinctions and a supporter of the Deccan
Traps theory, is not convinced.

She argued in an interview this week that her team's evidence shows that the
Chicxulub impact occurred at least 300,000 years before the start of the mass
extinction; that the scientists responsible for Friday's Science article ignored
and misrepresented her group's evidence about the timing and effect of the
Deccan volcanism.

Those volcanoes, she said, emitted 30 times more global life-killing sulfur
fumes than any asteroid impact could; that 30 pulses of eruptions and lava flows
caused the mass extinction; and that the asteroid impact, whenever it happened,
caused no extinctions at all nor any change in the world's climate or
environment.

The real evidence for the mass extinction and the death of the dinosaurs still
lies in the vast basalts of the Deccan volcanoes, Keller insisted.

Now Alvarez has moved on to bigger things since he and his team published their
theories and added more details to support it. But Friday's report pleases him
greatly, he said.

"It's wonderful to see that our work is vindicated by such a large collection of
the very top people in all those fields," he said in an interview. "It's
gratifying indeed, but I've moved away from my love of geology these days, and
I'm interested in what we call Big History now - the entire history of the
cosmos, Earth, life and humanity. What a wonderful class to teach!"
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Re: [meteorite-list] Way To Go Count!!!!!!!!!!

[Darren Garrison]

Okay, I gotta ask-- when the Count found this, did he yell "one meteorite" and
cackle wildly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JaT54B0BqI
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Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist

[Darren Garrison]

Resurrecting this thread from a couple of months back:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article7040864.ece
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[meteorite-list] And there's likely a crater in a crater in the crater in the crater

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35728750/ns/technology_and_science-space/

Crater-in-a-crater may offer peek at moon guts
Part  of the Apollo Basin may expose a portion of the moon's deep crust

A big crater inside a huge crater on the moon could offer a view of the lunar
innards, scientists now say.

Here's the setup: Shortly after the moon formed, it got whacked, big time. The
result, an enormous crater called the South Pole-Aitken basin. It's almost 1,500
miles across and more than five miles deep.

The impact punched into the layers of the lunar crust, scattering that material
across the moon and into space. The tremendous heat of the impact also melted
part of the floor of the crater, turning it into a sea of molten rock.
Story continues below ?advertisement | your ad here

"This is the biggest, deepest crater on the moon — an abyss that could engulf
the United States from the East Coast through Texas," exlained Noah Petro of
NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

But wait, there was more.

Asteroid bombardment over billions of years has left the lunar surface
pockmarked with craters of all sizes, and covered with solidified lava, rubble,
and dust. Glimpses of the original surface, or crust, are rare, and views into
the deep crust are rarer still.

Now, scientists say a crater on the edge of the South Pole-Aitken basin may
provide just such a view. Called the Apollo Basin and formed by the later impact
of a smaller asteroid, it is about 300 miles across.

"It's like going into your basement and digging a deeper hole," Petro said.

"We believe the central part of the Apollo Basin may expose a portion of the
moon's lower crust," he said. "If correct, this may be one of just a few places
on the moon where we have a view into the deep lunar crust, because it's not
covered by volcanic material as many other such deep areas are. Just as
geologists can reconstruct Earth's history by analyzing a cross-section of rock
layers exposed by a canyon or a road cut, we can begin to understand the early
lunar history by studying what's being revealed in Apollo."

Petro presented his research Thursday at the Lunar and Planetary Science meeting
in Houston. It was done using the moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3), a NASA instrument
on board India's Chandrayaan-1 lunar-orbiting spacecraft. Analysis of the light,
or spectra, in images revealed that portions of the interior of Apollo have a
similar composition to the impact melt in the South Pole-Aitken (SPA) basin.

As you go deeper into the moon, the crust contains minerals have greater amounts
of iron, the researchers explained in a statement. When the moon formed, it was
largely molten. Minerals containing heavier elements, like iron, sank down
toward the core, and minerals with lighter elements, like silicon, potassium,
and sodium, floated to the top, forming the original lunar crust.

"The asteroid that created the SPA basin probably carved through the crust and
perhaps into the upper mantle," Petro said. "The impact melt that solidified to
form the central floor of SPA would have been a mixture of all those layers. We
expect to see that it has slightly more iron than the bottom of Apollo, since it
went deeper into the crust. This is what we found with M3. However, we also see
that this area in Apollo has more iron than the surrounding lunar highlands,
indicating Apollo has uncovered a layer of the lunar crust between what is
typically seen on the surface and that in the deepest craters like SPA."

The lower crust exposed by Apollo survived the impact that created SPA probably
because it was on the edge of SPA, several hundred miles from where the impact
occurred, according to Petro.

Both SPA and Apollo are estimated to be among the oldest lunar craters, based on
the large number of smaller craters superimposed on top of them. As time passes,
old craters get covered up with new ones, so a crater count provides a relative
age; a crater riddled with additional craters is older than one that appears
relatively clean, with few craters overlying it. As craters form, they break up
the crust and form a regolith, a layer of broken up rock and dust, like a soil
on the Earth.

Although the Apollo basin is ancient and covered with regolith (what we call
dirt on Earth), it still gives a useful view of the lower crust because the
smaller meteorite impacts that create most of the regolith don't scatter
material very far.

"Calculations of how the regolith forms indicate that at least 50 percent of the
regolith is locally derived," said Petro. "So although what we're seeing with M3
has been ground up, it still mostly represents the lower crust."

Earth was bombarded back then, too. But the record of the events have been
folded back into our active planet or weathered away. On the moon, which is
comparatively dead geologically, the record of scars remains.

"The Apollo and SPA basins give us a window into the earliest history of the
moon, and the moon gives us a window into the violent youth of 

Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: meteorite fire sale

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:34:43 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello and good day all.
>I am posting this email for Chicago Steve Arnold.
>

Time for the quarterly "going out of business sale" already?

Wow, how time flies.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted Asteroid?

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:08:58 -0800, you wrote:

>Now there's an article in New Scientist about "Dark Asteroids" that 
>reflect only 5% of light it receives from the Sun. Could these be fusion 
>crusted asteroids?

Carbon.  And regolith.  Think of how bright a pile of coal dust doesn't shine.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene ANSWER e

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:51:38 -0600, you wrote:

>Humans are better at seeing patterns in the world
>around them than any other organism on the planet.
>Frequently, we are too good at it, as when we discover
>the Face of God in the burnt wrinkles of a tortilla, or
>accept too much circumstantial evidence of the unlikely.
>

Randomness is clumpy.  Take a look at the two illustrations starting with the
"postscript" on this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=etKX2s6JgAkC&lpg=PA268&ots=RavEHOl0OH&dq=stephen%20jay%20gould%20randomness%20pattern&pg=PA265#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene ANSWER e

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:16:15 +0100, you wrote:

>> Randomness is clumpy.  
>
>Good summary! People tend to believe in quite different 
>and "smoother" statistical behaviour. Then again it all
>depends on the different scales involved in the end...

There is an old joke where a man is driving past a farm and sees the barn is
painted with bulls-eyes, each with a tight cluster of bullet-holes in the
middle.  Curious, he goes to the farmer and asks him "What's your secret for
being such a great shot?"  The farmer replies "Shoot first, then draw the
targets."...
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:27:31 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Greg and all,
>
>Not a silly question if you like fish! Seriously, the minors who had a legal 
>claim where the Old Woman was found had their meteorite taken from them. I 

Well, that's your problem right there-- you can't enter into a legal agreement
with a minor!

(Sorry!  Sorry!)
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[meteorite-list] Italian boffins experience "ring aroud the Congo"

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/816812-scientists-find-giant-asteroid-crater-in-african-forest
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.imdb.com/find?s=kw&q=meteorite

http://www.imdb.com/search/text?realm=title&field=plot&q=meteorite

Didn't expect to see "The Waltons" on that list.
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE

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I found that aforementioned Waltons episode:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/oj2zbd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star

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Here's a chapter from a book I was recently reading (Night Comes to the
Cretaceous):

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:20:36 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Not ours -- theirs.

Nope.  Lord Britishes:

http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/17/2143248/Lord-Britishs-Lost-Lunar-Rover-Found-After-37-Years
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[meteorite-list] Getting a Chubb from National Geographic

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No, I'm not talking about those old articles on "natives!"  Sheesh!

This is Pingualuit crater aka New Quebec Crater aka Chubb crater

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingualuit_crater

I was browsing through one of the DVDs of the Complete National Geographic set
and the first issue I looked at happened to have this article.

Solving the Riddle of Chubb Crater, January 1952 issue of NatGeo.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/20u7dt
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lest You Forget

[Darren Garrison]

This seems close to touching on my plan: drill holes in meteorite specimens and
epoxy in place a plutonium pacemaker battery and voice chip which, every 5
second, declares aloud the name of the meteorite (and possibly fall date or
peterological type-- I haven't worked out all the details yet.)

I need to get to work on that patent application...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:51:09 -0700, you wrote:

>When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the 
>viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make 
>some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. 

Or, even more to the point-- the Science channel does not exist to educate-- it
exists to make money.  So they sacrafice educational quality for the sake of
getting a bigger audience.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/

You want educational programming?  Go with PBS.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand for and is this another way of 
>saying years? The article goes on to say that the 

Kiloyears.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

> terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering 
>(W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level 

BTW, if 869 had fallen just 4.4 years before it was found, there would be camels
that are still running today.  The light show from that entry had to be MASSIVE.
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[meteorite-list] Easy comet, easy go

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Photos at link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8579963.stm

Amateur sees comet breaking up from desktop 

An amateur astronomer has made a "major astronomical discovery" while accessing
a telescope in Hawaii over the internet while at work in the UK.

Nick Howes took pictures showing the icy nucleus of a comet breaking up while he
sat at his desk in Wiltshire.

He used a remote-controlled telescope through the Faulkes Telescope Project, run
by experts from Cardiff University.

Dr Paul Roche said the university was delighted and that the images appear to
show the comet nucleus disintegrating.

"What this illustrates is what is achievable when amateur astronomers can get
their hands on such a powerful telescope," he said.

The School of Physics and Astronomy's project, which was created to help teach
schoolchildren science and maths, offers access to a pair of remotely controlled
telescopes, located on the Hawaiian island of Maui, and at Siding Spring in
Australia - via the internet. 

Using the £5m Faulkes Telescope North in Maui, Mr Howes captured six images that
showed what appears to be a mountain-sized chunk of ice that has broken away
from the giant "dirty snowball" that forms the nucleus of a comet.

A second set of images obtained the following day - last Friday - showed that
the new fragment is still trailing the comet, which is officially called Comet
C2007 C3.

Dr Roche said: "As the nucleus of a comet is typically tens of kilometres
across, this fragment is probably mountain-sized, and will become a small comet
as it gradually separates from its parent."

It is now hoped that astronomers will follow up Mr Howes's discovery using
instruments such as the Hubble space telescope.

"We hope to involve schools in observing this comet over the next few weeks, so
that we can see what happens to this new fragment," added Dr Roche.

It is also hoped that this discovery will help encourage others to use the
telescope for research and to help make new scientific discoveries.

Last year, another amateur astronomer, working with several UK schools and the
Faulkes Telescope Project, discovered the fastest-rotating asteroid in the solar
system.

More than 200 UK schools have used the telescopes to help in science lessons,
often gathering data that is used by university researchers.

"As well as amateur astronomers this project allows researchers from the
university to help schools access professional equipment, and learn more about
how modern science is really done," Dr Roche said.

"We hope this discovery will help encourage others to use the Faulkes Telescopes
and lead to even more scientific discoveries."

The Faulkes Telescope Project was launched in March 2004 by the Dill Faulkes
Educational Trust, as a way of helping to inspire school students to study
science and maths. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD:Almahata Sitta 2008 TC3 for sale on eBay

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Carl I swear by this product because I own one that its the best for its price 
>and size to view micros to surface textures of your meteorite...
> 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/BUG-MASTER-MICRO-MICROSCOPE-JEWELERS-LOUPE-60-X-MAG_W0QQitemZ280481288781QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item414dfcd24d
> 

Nice!  I just ordered one for $6.99 shipped:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260573896084

Might be junk, but I'm willing to risk 7 bucks.

I've had some of the Radio Shack pocket microscopes as a kid (and even more
recently than that.)  Optics aren't great, but not a bad tool/toy for the price
(though they used to be $9.99)

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dennis Cox, amateur extraordinaire, with 6 views viewed via Google Earth by Rich Murray of 360 m high mountain E of Fresno, CA, with uphill and then downhill ejecta melt flows --

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:35:57 -0600, you wrote:
>
>http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/california-melt/
>

Dennis Cox should meet up with Ed Conrad-- they could swap meds.
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[meteorite-list] That's a bunch of asteroids!

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/wise-discovers-dark-asteroids-100326.html
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[meteorite-list] More Russian moon robots discovered!

[Darren Garrison]

Would make a great headline in the Weekly World News or for Fox.

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/2389/
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[meteorite-list] A meteorite comic strip

[Darren Garrison]

Scroll down to the entry on Shylock Fox:

http://joshreads.com/?p=6179

Vaca Muerta?
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Re: [meteorite-list] On Now! - Sodom & Gomorrah on Science Channel

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:05:13 EDT, you wrote:

>
>I just watched this program. It's left  me wondering where are all those 
>meteorites from billions of tons of debris that  supposedly fell on Sodom and 
>Gomorrah? If that one nearby town was found, then  surely nearby there 
>should be a fanny load of meteorites laying about just  waiting to be scooped 
>up.

I haven't seen the show Isounds like National Enquirer quality stuff though) but
not only does nobody know where Sodom and Gamorrah were, nobody knows for sure
if they even actually existed, or if they did exist-- when.  Here's an article
from mid-2009 which (along with the comments at the end) show how little
agreement there is on the subject:

http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/sodom-and-gomorrah.asp

Will their next episode be postulating bioluminescent bacteria as the
explaination of why Rudolph's nose glows so bright?
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[meteorite-list] Pack Moon

[Darren Garrison]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/03/30/wocka-wocka-wocka-mimas-wocka-wocka/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:36:37 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. 

Dude!  She's 86 years old!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:10:58 -0700, you wrote:

>Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place 
>online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? 

There is a new book on the subject that I stumbled across a PDF of last month.

Amazon link for the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Meteoroid-Impacts-Observe-Astronomers-Observing/dp/1441903232

Download link for the PDF:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/prc2zv
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[meteorite-list] The swoosh and the holler

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100330/UPDATES01/100330018

Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home

Roger Hebbert got more than a cake for his 75th birthday this morning; he awoke
to find what he believes is a meteorite that struck just 10 feet from his rural
Rist Canyon home.

Hebbert's wife, Bonnie, said she heard a loud swooshing sound late Monday night
and felt a gust of wind through the house, but she didn't think too much of it
because the log-sided home the couple shares is heated by three different
sources, including a woodstove.

"I hollered to him and kidded him if he was burning up the house, but he didn't
say anything and I went to bed," she said.

Roger awoke around 5:30 this morning, though, and went outside to split wood and
found what appears to be about a 10-pound piece of rock that fell to the ground
so quickly that it created a funnel in the ground. Several smaller pieces of
rock and small holes were found nearby. The rock struck just 10 feet from the
couple's home.

The couple has called Colorado State University to see if researchers are
interested in looking at the rock, and they hope to find out more.

If this is found to be a meteorite, Bonnie said this will be her second such
experience. Nearly 60 years ago, her father returned with a large rock from
their property near Livermore, which was a meteorite.
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[meteorite-list] Warning-- pallasite bandit on the lam

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20100402/NEWS/304029983

Man on run after theft of space rock from Dungeness resident

By Tom Callis
Peninsula Daily News

DUNGENESS -- A man who allegedly stole a rare meteorite from a Dungeness
resident more than a year ago is on the run, according to the Clallam County
Sheriff's Office.

A bench warrant was issued for the arrest of Raymond R. Lima after he missed a
court appearance in February.

Lima, who is charged with first-degree theft, was scheduled to be tried in
Clallam County Superior Court on March 10.

"He could just be lying low on the radar," said Chief Criminal Deputy Ron
Cameron.

"He could be here. We don't know."

Lima, 34, of Sequim pleaded not guilty Dec. 18.

He was released on personal recognizance at that time.

Lima allegedly stole a 4.5-pound pallasite meteorite, which was in two pieces,
from Michael Pimentel in January 2009.

The space rock was discovered in Chile in the 19th century, said Pimentel, who
owns Eclipse Minerals in Dungeness.

Pimentel believes he traced the meteorite, worth $80,000, to Lima when a rare
rock and gem dealer in Arizona notified him he purchased one half of a pallasite
meteorite from Lima after he reported it missing.

The 2.25-pound rock matched the other half of the meteorite, Pimental believes,
based on a photograph.

It was returned to him, but the other half remains missing, he said.

Pimentel said pallasites are rare even for meteorites and are known for having
an abundance of translucent olivine crystals.

A few other items, including a small piece of a nantan meteorite and an Earth
rock known as a druzy agate geode, also went missing 15 months ago but have
since been returned by a Sequim man who had acquired them, he said.

Some Roman coins remain missing from that theft.

Pimentel said Lima, who was a fishing buddy of his, was the only other person
who knew where it was kept in his home.

He said Lima is likely either in Arizona, Seattle or somewhere on the North
Olympic Peninsula.

"I'd just like to get this guy caught," Pimentel said.
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[meteorite-list] mini microscope (was Re: AD:Almahata Sitta 2008 TC3 for sale on eBay)

[Darren Garrison]

FWIW, my 7 buck microscope arrived today.  I don't know if it is really 60x
magnification, but it works well.  Image in the center of the feild is sharp
(though it does lose focus around the edges.)  The two color and 1 UV LEDs work.
Nice purchase for the price.


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:24:50 -0500, you wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>>Carl I swear by this product because I own one that its the best for its 
>>price and size to view micros to surface textures of your meteorite...
>> 
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/BUG-MASTER-MICRO-MICROSCOPE-JEWELERS-LOUPE-60-X-MAG_W0QQitemZ280481288781QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item414dfcd24d
>> 
>
>Nice!  I just ordered one for $6.99 shipped:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260573896084
>
>Might be junk, but I'm willing to risk 7 bucks.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re : (no subject)

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:13:06 -0400, you wrote:

>I guess one could take another tack, and say that anything observed is 
>an asteroid or comet, and anything not observed is a meteoroid.

Maybe you could call them Schrödingers.
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Re: [meteorite-list] An embarrassment to us all (but mostly me)!Hi

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 13:18:03 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Any ideas of how to stop this insanity would be appreciated.  
>

You can't win a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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Re: [meteorite-list] An embarrassment to us all (but mostly me)!Hi

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:35:13 -0600, you wrote:

>This nutjob posts on various astronomy forums.

Not just astronomy:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.paleontology/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
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Re: [meteorite-list] An embarrassment to us all (but mostly me)!

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:10:41 EDT, you wrote:

>Thanks for the groups link.  I had no idea  my images "Discoveries" are all 
>over the place.  Is one guy doing it or am  I famous with the nut jobs?

It seems to be one guy in Taiwan-- but who in closely parroting Ed Conrad.  I
suppose it is possible Ed has set up an elaborate sockpuppet, but I think that
two cuckoos of a feather have found each other.

Not a damn thing you can do about insane nuts, either (unless you check the ads
in the back of Soldier of Fortune magazine.)  Ed Conrad is a long time insane
nutbag from Usenet days.

http://www.google.com/#num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22wretch+fossil%22+%22Tom+Phillips%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f
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Re: [meteorite-list] Comets and eskers and drumlins - Oh my!

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:41:34 -0500, you wrote:

>For further references that illuminate the
>origins of this theory, I suggest you glance
>at a copy of Classic Illustrated Comic Number
>149 -- "Off On A Comet" by Jules Verne,

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ligrjq
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Re: [meteorite-list] Comets and eskers and drumlins - Oh my!

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:32:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>The following is a review of a bizarre theory that comets are involved in the 
>formation of eskers and drumlins.  -- Bob V.

Note that a link to the PDF of the full 84 page paper is available for download,
too.  Upper right hand of the page.

One of the dumbest pieces of nonsense I've read in hours at least.

Don't see much about Wallace, but Zysman is a Velikovskyite:

http://www.velikovsky.info/Milton_Zysman
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[meteorite-list] For a richer, meatier apocalypse

[Darren Garrison]

http://blog.reelloop.com/8967/reviews/review-meteor-apocalypse-leaves-viewers-wishing-world/

download link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UTMUE93I

or

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=mr1f9sbjcbc

or

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/nizazpue4
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Re: [meteorite-list] has this ever happened to you?

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:41:08 -0400, you wrote:

>meteorites in. I like to show them off and teach landowners what to
>look for. Its a pretty big box that nicely fits two 1kg chondrites, a

...

>one of the magnets in my pocket stuck to the clasp on the box. As I
>moved, the box opened and a 1kg Canon Diablo fell on my toe. It hurt
>like $%!+, but I still went out hunting anyway.

It could have been worse-- you could have been this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_EoRZOVes
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[meteorite-list] When is a potato not a potato?

[Darren Garrison]

When it is a dwarf planet!

http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1091
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Re: [meteorite-list] What sex is your meteorite

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:45:56 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>For instance, I would consider Almahata Sitta as female because the way 
>Almahata Sitta sounds has this romantic feel to it when I say her name. Or the 
>Weston, I would definitely call it a male meteorite because just the word 
>sounds bold and strong when I say his name. 

Well, NWA meteorites are sorority girls-- they are new to the market, many
collector's first experience, and most of them can be taken home for the price
of a couple of beers
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[meteorite-list] Planets continue being weird

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1016/

Turning Planetary Theory Upside Down

13 April 2010

The discovery of nine new transiting exoplanets is announced today at the RAS
National Astronomy Meeting (NAM2010). When these new results were combined with
earlier observations of transiting exoplanets astronomers were surprised to find
that six out of a larger sample of 27 were found to be orbiting in the opposite
direction to the rotation of their host star — the exact reverse of what is seen
in our own Solar System. The new discoveries provide an unexpected and serious
challenge to current theories of planet formation. They also suggest that
systems with exoplanets of the type known as hot Jupiters are unlikely to
contain Earth-like planets.

“This is a real bomb we are dropping into the field of exoplanets,” says Amaury
Triaud, a PhD student at the Geneva Observatory who, with Andrew Cameron and
Didier Queloz, leads a major part of the observational campaign.

Planets are thought to form in the disc of gas and dust encircling a young star.
This proto-planetary disc rotates in the same direction as the star itself, and
up to now it was expected that planets that form from the disc would all orbit
in more or less the same plane, and that they would move along their orbits in
the same direction as the star’s rotation. This is the case for the planets in
the Solar System.

After the initial detection of the nine new exoplanets [1] with the Wide Angle
Search for Planets (WASP, [2]), the team of astronomers used the HARPS
spectrograph on the 3.6-metre ESO telescope at the La Silla observatory in
Chile, along with data from the Swiss Euler telescope, also at La Silla, and
data from other telescopes to confirm the discoveries and characterise the
transiting exoplanets [3] found in both the new and older surveys.

Surprisingly, when the team combined the new data with older observations they
found that more than half of all the hot Jupiters [4] studied have orbits that
are misaligned with the rotation axis of their parent stars. They even found
that six exoplanets in this extended study (of which two are new discoveries)
have retrograde motion: they orbit their star in the “wrong” direction.

“The new results really challenge the conventional wisdom that planets should
always orbit in the same direction as their stars spin,” says Andrew Cameron of
the University of St Andrews, who presented the new results at the RAS National
Astronomy Meeting (NAM2010) in Glasgow this week.

In the 15 years since the first hot Jupiters were discovered, their origin has
been a puzzle. These are planets with masses similar to or greater than that of
Jupiter, but that orbit very close to their suns. The cores of giant planets are
thought to form from a mix of rock and ice particles found only in the cold
outer reaches of planetary systems. Hot Jupiters must therefore form far from
their star and subsequently migrate inwards to orbits much closer to the parent
star. Many astronomers believed this was due to gravitational interactions with
the disc of dust from which they formed. This scenario takes place over a few
million years and results in an orbit aligned with the rotation axis of the
parent star. It would also allow Earth-like rocky planets to form subsequently,
but unfortunately it cannot account for the new observations.

To account for the new retrograde exoplanets an alternative migration theory
suggests that the proximity of hot Jupiters to their stars is not due to
interactions with the dust disc at all, but to a slower evolution process
involving a gravitational tug-of-war with more distant planetary or stellar
companions over hundreds of millions of years. After these disturbances have
bounced a giant exoplanet into a tilted and elongated orbit it would suffer
tidal friction, losing energy every time it swung close to the star. It would
eventually become parked in a near circular, but randomly tilted, orbit close to
the star. “A dramatic side-effect of this process is that it would wipe out any
other smaller Earth-like planet in these systems,” says Didier Queloz of Geneva
Observatory.

Two of the newly discovered retrograde planets have already been found to have
more distant, massive companions that could potentially be the cause of the
upset. These new results will trigger an intensive search for additional bodies
in other planetary systems.

This research was presented at the Royal Astronomical Society National Astronomy
Meeting (NAM2010) that is taking place this week in Glasgow, Scotland. Nine
publications submitted to international journals will be released on this
occasion, four of them using data from ESO facilities. On the same occasion, the
WASP consortium was awarded the 2010 Royal Astronomical Society Group
Achievement Award.
Notes

[1] The current count of known exoplanets is 454.

[2] The nine newly found exoplanets were discovered by the Wide Angle Search for
Planets (WASP). WASP comprises two robotic obser

[meteorite-list] Oh, the humanity!

[Darren Garrison]

Er, "oh the alien-anity?"

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/04/13/astronomer-earth-like-planets-are-common-but-stars-have-eaten-many/
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Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:12:47 -0700, you wrote:

>Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an "extra" $1 Million to 
>spend on your meteorite collection.
>
>What do you buy?

I try to get my hands on that giant lunar slice in the steampunk porthole that
the Hupes had made.
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Re: [meteorite-list] First recovered meteorite from the April 14, 2010 Wisconsin fireball.

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:46:30 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_14_2010_meteorite_fall.html

Excellent!  May it be the first of many!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston Strewnfield

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Has anyone maped out the strewnfield yet to show where the finds were made?  

With only two pieces reported so far, that would be a "strewn line segment."

Of course, there could be a bonanza not being reported yet.
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[meteorite-list] Livingston, I presume?

[Darren Garrison]

Here come the slags!

http://zspang.tumblr.com/post/529437435/meteor

Taken from post #39 on this thread where I'm attempting SOME education.  

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/04/16/wisconsin-meteor-update-meteorite-found/

Got a cameo appearnce by Terri Haag, too.  I assume she's the wife?
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Re: [meteorite-list] We might have another fall.

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:25:16 -0500, you wrote:


>Plus , anyone looking at that knows that it's a 
>contrail from an alien vessel from the planet Klick Klock.

Can't be.  The Klick Kockians are signatories of the Shadow Proclamation.  As a
fully established level five planet, we are protected under article 57.
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Re: [meteorite-list] More WI finds

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:38:39 -0700, you wrote:

>
>c4c03286.html>

"Depending on factors such as quality, shape and market variability, Garcia
said, meteorites can fetch between $2 and $8 per gram."

Can I place my order now for $2 to $8 per gram pieces of this fall?
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[meteorite-list] Biggest Livingston piece yet!

[Darren Garrison]

Found by a local farmer with a very fat cat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPW-7ji3so
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[meteorite-list] And another Livingston video

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.channel3000.com/localvideo/index.html?v=28302
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[meteorite-list] One more video

[Darren Garrison]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7393945
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Re: [meteorite-list] And another Livingston video

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:40:18 -0500, you wrote:

>Darren, List,
>
>After watching this video, I nominate  Terry
>Boudreaux as Official Meteorite Spokesperson.
>PR doesn't get any better than this, unless you
>could get Tom Hanks to do it.

I agree-- no way could I be that articulate about something on the spot like
that.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston 38 grams

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:07:39 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>You do realize Bill that you gave away a location?!
>I thought these were top secret since no one else has said a peep other than 
>"Livingston"!

Not too top secret.  Names of finders were known.  People in small towns (so
very few false positives) with listed googable phone numbers and addresses,
which can then be pulled up on google maps.  Only mild google-fu skills
required.
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Re: [meteorite-list] And another Livingston video

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:48:37 +0200, you wrote:

>And I vote for his readmission to the list.
>
>I never understood, why he was banned.

When was this?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention ART & all List Members

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:40:20 -0700, you wrote:

>It should be noted that list posts are being transposed INCLUDING
>PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES, (unlike the List Archives in which list
>Member email address are not available to potential spammers, etc.)

Don't kid yourself-- if Amazon has software so incredibly sophisticated that it
can replace the word "at" with an @, you can rest assured spammers have figured
out how to do it, too.

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-April/063611.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention ART & all List Members

[Darren Garrison]

Scratch my mention of Amazon, in my glance I confused the name of the blog with
an unrelated Amazon project.  But the point remains, replacing the @ with "at"
in e-mails is no protection from spambots.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:25:33 -0700, you wrote:
>
>What a beauty - and a hammer too.

Was there any meteor sighting associated with that date?

On a related note, are there any studies/estimates on what fraction of falls
result in a single stone and what fraction fragments into multiples?  (Thinking,
of course, that there are still rocks on the ground in Cartersville, GA.)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: New Lunars

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:48:26 -0500, you wrote:

>http://uncometeorites.shutterfly.com/
>

Well, the guy DOES appear to be a lunar-tic, so he may be on to something!
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Re: [meteorite-list] X37B Orbital Bomber

[Darren Garrison]

With all due respect to your old pilot friend, that sounds like a steaming pile
of crap.

Meteoids enter the atmosphere at a range of 11 to 72 KM/s (according to this,
which excepts the Encyclopedia Britannica)

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/meteor.html

At the lowest of LEOs, satellites travel at less than 8 KM/s, slower than the
slowest meteoids (and of course, the higher the orbit, the lower the satellite.)
You could be generous and call that "cosmic velocity", I suppose.  But even so,
that passive impactor would act just like a real meteoroid-- it would lose all
of it's velocity and finish it's fall going at nothing more than the normal
terminal velocity it would have if you dropped it from a high-flying plane.  To
retain "cosmic velocity", it would have to be HUGE.  Remember the space shuttle
Columbia burning up on reentry?  Remember any of the big fragments of it
destroying any towns?



On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:40:27 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

>List,
>
>I post because this unmanned orbital bomber uses passive meteor like weapons 
>to destroy terrestrial targets at cosmic velocities. I was formerly Director 
>of Aviation Facilities for the Hughes Tool Company in the late 60's and an old 
>pilot friend with high field grade USAF and NASA connections sent the 
>communication below. 
>
>The X37B using an Atlas V booster was sent up yesterday. I was told by another 
>NASA type that five years ago somebody in the Pentagon responsible for USAF 
>weapons development saw an "It Came From Outer Space" movie and got the idea 
>to use man made impactors to destroy targetslike the errant asteroids in the 
>movie. NASA had this hypersonic craft already under development, transferred 
>it to the USAF in 2006, and re-engineered it to carry multiple impactors and 
>guidance. Star Wars has arrived.
>
>Count Deiro
>IMCA 3536   
>
>
>
>Farouk,
> 
>I believe you are referring to the X37B reusable space plane that was launched 
>on the 21st four hours after DARPA's Mach 20 Hypersonic Vehicle went up. 
>I'm not briefed in on either so can talk freely. However, it's like relating 
>the contents of a letter I haven't read.
> 
>We  have long needed something like the Global Hawk, but lingering in space 
>and having additional capability; something that can take stuff up, maneuver 
>while up there, place satellites, pick up satellites and move them or even 
>bring them home. GPS and com satellites are a huge requirement as well as all 
>the secret stuff that's required to be up there. Originally, the space shuttle 
>was going to do these things but it never panned out. 
>Reportably the 37B will be capable of station times of 9 months or longer. 
>Don't see why it couldn't eventually stay much longer since they don't need to 
>take a supply of M&M's to reward the navigators.
>Also, there's the weaponization angle. From space, one only needs to hit a 
>target: no explosive required. 
>A pound or so of depleted uranium dropped from space and goodbye battleship, 
>building or whatever.
>A hypersonic ball, dropped from space and landing on the centerline of Tehran 
>airport would send a stark message.
> 
>A Mach 20 Hypersonic Vehicle could strike anywhere in the world without 
>warning. On the test shot they are maneuvering hypersonic and that's just in 
>the "Glide" phase. What is cleverly not said here is how fast was it going 
>under power? They will complete the test by dunking it into the ocean at more 
>than 13,000 miles an hour. A wet sponge at 13,000 miles per would hit like an 
>atomic weapon. 13,000 mph = about Mach 17   
>
>Cheers,
>
>Shack
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] X37B Orbital Bomber

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:36:01 -0500, you wrote:

>slowest meteoids (and of course, the higher the orbit, the lower the 
>satellite.)

I meant "the higher, the slower", and meant to include this link:

http://www.csgnetwork.com/satorbdatacalc.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to 
>capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be 
>drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? 
>Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? 
>

It would-- with technologies that are theoretically possible but not yet
invented.  You would need Von Neuman machines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine

that are designed to build fusion rockets (along with more of themselves)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_rocket

You would need vast amounts of ice for fuel, though-- you'd either have to find
a very icy asteroid or send the machines to a comet to steer that to the
asteroid to use as fuel.  

There may be one or more factor that will in the future be found to be
impossible, but for now in theory sufficently advanced science and technology
should be able to manage it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Regarding Livingston News Articles, slander - Attn. M. Farmer

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:39:23 -0700, you wrote:

>Now, I don't know who is actually doing this, but it seems pretty
>likely that they're a list-member.

Haven't heard from him in a while, but my guess is that the individual's name
rhymes with "Schmandal Peggery."
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[meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer

[Darren Garrison]

Too bad this is fake, because "Bat Yam" would make a great name for a meteorite.
And a comic book character.  And Bat Yam and the Sappers would make a great band
name...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1164994.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880008,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880005,00.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:59:45 -0600, you wrote:

>This nutjob has no place on a list whose members are dedicated to the 
>science of meteoritics (or dedicated to any science). He's an embarrassment.

I agree.  I'm adding a name to my killfile.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote:

>
>I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job  
>like you.

Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time.  If you google her mailing
address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells
"metaphysical minterals."  Assuming that "minterals" is a typo for "minerals," I
think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical
properties of rocks and "vibrational energies" and "body chakras."  Likely sells
meteorites for "healing properties" or some other codswallop.
 
http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote:

>These posts have had a disturbing  smugness to them.

There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both
the views and the view-holders deserve no respect.  Especially concidering that
at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on
studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions.  Anyone that
believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not
exist) is a fool that deserves derision.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:45:42 +, you wrote:

>Mythbusters did a fairly comprehensive debunking 

Here's Penn and the other guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZ_LCnkE7A
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:27:29 -0400, you wrote:

>Didn't the Japanese  Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) 

Yes LRO, no Japanese.

http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/newsroom.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer

[Darren Garrison]

Chunk 'o phosphorus.  From a weapon, maybe?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880496,00.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hawking on Alien Life - Alan Hills, Yamamoto, Nakhla

[Darren Garrison]

There's a long discussion of this over at /.

http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/04/25/1143225/Dont-Talk-To-Aliens-Warns-Stephen-Hawking?art_pos=9
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:48:34 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Hey, you forgot Santa Clause, 

Well, The Santa Clause hinged on Tim Allen's dubious star power, coming in the
middle of the run of his popular show Home Improvement.

But back to the moon, I notice that the book by the nut in the Penn and Teller
clip I had linked earler is available as a PDF.  Here it is, if you have the
stomach for an insane moron:

http://rs782.rapidshare.com/files/295611597/NASA_mooned_america.pdf
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[meteorite-list] New hypersonic glider article

[Darren Garrison]

It sounds like the 13,000 miles per hour (around 5.8 km/s) speed is only during
the suborbital part of the flight, with impact speeds a much more believable
"mere" 3,600 miles per hour (around 1.6 km/s.)

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/26/falcon-hypersonic-missiles-project-aurora/

Military's Hypersonic Falcon Missile Test a Dud?

FOXNews.com

On the heels of last week's top-secret X37-B launch, the U.S. Air Force launched
-- and ultimately crashed -- an experimental hypersonic glider theoretically
capable of hitting Mach 20.

It was a watershed week for conspiracy theorists, with President Barack Obama
throwing his support behind several major upgrades to the country's
rapid-response strike capability.

On the heels of the top-secret X37-B launch, the U.S. Air Force launched an even
more secret experimental hypersonic glider able to travel more than 4,000 miles
in 30 minutes from launch. The craft -- dubbed the Falcon Hypersonic Technology
Vehicle 2 -- was launched via a Minotaur 4-Lite rocket Thursday from Vandenberg
Air Force Base, the Air Force announced.

Conspiracy theorists have long reported on a secret project known as "Aurora" --
a hypersonic spy plane capable of speeds up to Mach 6 (3,700 mph). The Falcon
seems to be the culmination of that project, but it's capable of much, much
more, according to a fact sheet from the Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency (DARPA).

The sheet explains that once the vehicle accelerates into the upper atmosphere,
it is designed to separate from its booster and glide across the Pacific at
around 13,000 mph, or nearly Mach 20.

The test vehicle launched last week reached Mach 5 on launch, and was designed
to crash and sink into the sea and sink near Kwajalein Atoll, 2,000 miles
south-west of Hawaii, 30 minutes later and 4,000 miles from the launch site.

But in a statement released Friday night, DARPA said that while “the launch
vehicle executed first-of-its-kind energy management maneuvers, clamshell
payload fairing release and HTV-2 deployment,” all wasn't perfect with the
superfast craft. “Approximately 9 minutes into the mission, telemetry assets
experienced a loss of signal from the HTV-2. An engineering team is reviewing
available data to understand this event.”

The DARPA press release did not specify whether any of the test maneuvers were
completed by the Lockheed Martin built craft before controllers lost
communications with the craft, the site adds.

In the real world, Project Aurora is called the "Prompt Global Strike (PGS)
program" and it's actually part of the President's solution to maintaining peace
in non-nuclear times. President Obama signed a treaty with Russian President
Dmitri Medvedev last week that put both countries on the path to full nuclear
disarmament.

However, the U.S. part of the agreement states that the country can replace
every decommissioned nuclear weapon with a PGS missile. Within a week of the
treaty being signed, Obama welcomed in the technology to make it possible.

And overnight, Obama announced he would support deploying a new class of
hypersonic missiles that could hit any target on Earth within an hour.

Depending on the version the Pentagon chooses, the warhead would either split
into dozens of lethal fragments in the final seconds of its flight or simply
smash into its target, relying on devastating kinetic energy to destroy anything
in its path reports the Times of London. As a precision weapon its effects would
be quite different from the mass destruction inflicted by nuclear warheads
delivered by intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach 13,400 mph.

The glider's speeds of 3,600 mph are more than seven times faster than the
Tomahawk guided missiles that were too slow to kill Osama bin Laden at an
Afghanistan training camp in 1998. The White House has requested almost $250
million for research into hypersonic technologies which harness shock waves
generated by a fast-moving missile to increase its speed further.








Plus:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7107179.ece
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI News Clips DVD - Anyone?

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:05:29 -0400, you wrote:

>Has anyone thought of putting together a DVD (or set) of all of the news 
>stories regarding the Wisconsin Fall? 

Can someone send me links to the various video clips relating to this?  I'll see
which ones I can download and which I can't.  Then I can make a DVD and make it
available as a torrent or on Sendspace under the doctrine of "Legal Schmegal!"
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[meteorite-list] Speaking of Livingston clips

[Darren Garrison]

This is on the front page of CNN.com right now:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/26/wisconsin.meteorite.boomtown/index.html?hpt=C1
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Re: [meteorite-list] News Clips DVD

[Darren Garrison]

Okay, I've made a simple DVD from the handful of clips that I managed to
download.  Unfortunately, no tool or method that I tried managed to grab the
longer schoolyard video, but there are 11 other clips for a total of 28 minutes.
Running time is around 28 minutes.  Don't expect DVD-quality video, of course,
having been made from streaming news clips.

Part 1:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t4ibbw

Part 2:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/h7gip0

The original videos:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8ezday
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[meteorite-list] They faked this book, too!

[Darren Garrison]

For those of us that didn't pick up the $1,000 version.

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/27/taschens-moonfire-no.html#comments
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Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented Stone For Sale (Ad)

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:20:38 -0600, you wrote:

>Seems people would rather complain about FB than look at a beautiful  
>WI meteorite... LMAO What's the problem with this picture here!?

Yes, why should people complain?  After all, there aren't a multitude of
websites out there that let you share your photos for free without requiring you
to sign up for an annoying, intrusive social networking site.  Unless, of
course, you count www.photobucket.com, www.imageshack.com, and who knows how
many others.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/27/1550204/Facebooks-Plan-To-Automatically-Share-Your-Data?art_pos=28
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/24/110/Facebook-Retroactively-Makes-More-User-Data-Public?art_pos=9&art_pos=9&art_pos=9
http://search.slashdot.org/story/10/04/27/1824236/Senators-Tell-Facebook-To-Quit-Sharing-Users-Info?art_pos=3&art_pos=4

LOL! LOL! LOL!
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[meteorite-list] WI fall-- the inevitable ebay fallout begins.

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.channel3000.com/news/23298154/detail.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented StoneFor Sale (Ad)

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:21:32 -0400, you wrote:

>You have to be kidding me, I need facebook just to
>see the photo?

Sorry to dredge this back up, but here's an interesting new document from the
EFF:

http://w2.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/
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Re: [meteorite-list] joining Facebook or photosharing sites

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:00:29 -0400, you wrote:

>his picture on imageshack, photobucket, flickr, or shutterfly, and had 
>the settings done just right, you would have needed a password to access 
>the picture on those sites as well. 

Not true for Imageshack.  Not true for photobucket.  Been a while since I've had
photos on flickr or shutterfly, so I don't know what their settings are now.
But most photo sharing sites default to "anyone can view them"-- that's the
point of photo _sharing_.  You have to go into the settings and tinker with them
to make an album private.  For instance, here's a folder of mine at photobucket:

http://s313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/darrengarrison/nature/

Note the total absence of having to sign up for photobucket to see the pictures.
That is with the default settings.  No password required.
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