ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
Hi, Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something similar, but it only presents data in the table format.) This may be somewhat offtopic, but I hope that even if there is nothing modperl based in existence, then maybe the readers are informed enough to point me in the right direction. So far it seems that neither Dotgnu nor Mono have anything similar. Thanks, Simon -- Simon (Vsevolod ILyushchenko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simonf.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A man who feels himself a citizen of the world whose loyalty is to the human race and to life, rather than to any exclusive part of it; a man who loves his country because he loves mankind, and whose judgement is not warped by tribal loyalties." Erich Fromm
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
AxKit::XSP::PerForm is quite similar to the callback nature of ASP.NET, though of course we don't have a GUI form designer. We could certainly work on auto-loading of values from a database, but I think you'll find it's already pretty easy. Also PerForm has no automatic built in system to "do the right thing" for the different browsers - you have to write separate stylesheets yourself, but the "use different stylesheets for different clients" bit is built into AxKit, so it's not a complete disaster. :-) Matt. - Original Message - From: "Vsevolod Ilyushchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: ASP.NET Linux equivalent? > Hi, > > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the > database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > similar, but it only presents data in the table format.) > > This may be somewhat offtopic, but I hope that even if there is nothing > modperl based in existence, then maybe the readers are informed enough to > point me in the right direction. So far it seems that neither Dotgnu nor > Mono have anything similar. > > Thanks, > Simon > -- > Simon (Vsevolod ILyushchenko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.simonf.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "A man who feels himself a citizen of the world whose > loyalty is to the human race and to life, rather than > to any exclusive part of it; a man who loves his country > because he loves mankind, and whose judgement is not > warped by tribal loyalties." Erich Fromm > >
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the > database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > similar, but it only presents data in the table format.) If you are writing the same code over and over again, that's a good sign you need to start creating modules and using those. One thing you may want to look at is Mason, which is a component based architecture for building web sites. See http://masonhq.com. But it's not point and click GUI stuff -- you still need to do some coding. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/ Poverty must have its satisfactions, else there would not be so many poor people. -- Don Herold
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 6:55 PM -0500 12/3/01, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: >Hi, > >Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most >attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic >connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired >of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the >database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something The combo of Embperl and DBIx::Recordset will come pretty close to automating the fetch and store of database records into a form (perhaps four or five lines of embedded Perl for each). Designing the form is not there though. - -- Kee Hinckley - Somewhere.Com, LLC http://consulting.somewhere.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or ...!alice!nazgul for time travelers :-) I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 iQA/AwUBPA48/CZsPfdw+r2CEQJbJQCg9Q++f5OUtiqBjdJMtBNuGu6HM8wAoKCz nXJM2ZccDeJH6y2Ael/+r1bh =SgDE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
El Mié 05 Dic 2001 11:28, Brett W. McCoy escribió: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: > > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its > > most attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the > > automatic connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting > > sick and tired of writing over and over the code to process user input > > and store it in the database, a similar product would be a huge help. > > (PHPLens does something similar, but it only presents data in the table > > format.) > > If you are writing the same code over and over again, that's a good sign > you need to start creating modules and using those. > > One thing you may want to look at is Mason, which is a component based > architecture for building web sites. See http://masonhq.com. But it's > not point and click GUI stuff -- you still need to do some coding. > > -- Brett > http://www.chapelperilous.net/ > > Poverty must have its satisfactions, else there would not be so many poor > people. > -- Don Herold I believe that sometimes people want to stop thinking and let the GUI do that Job, obviously, it's not possible. Over Expectations over GUI often leads to troubles in planification It's a fact that with the GUI's you stop understanding what you are really doing. Hans Poo
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Kee Hinckley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 6:55 PM -0500 12/3/01, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > >attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > >connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > >of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the > >database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > > The combo of Embperl and DBIx::Recordset will come pretty close to > automating the fetch and store of database records into a form > (perhaps four or five lines of embedded Perl for each). Designing > the form is not there though. I did an auto-form generator-from-schema thing once. Too many exceptions and meta-data involved to actually make it really worthwhile. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
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The sad truth is that there is no automated way generate forms based on sql tables or definitions. The same data maybe passed with many different form elements. With some JavaScript sprinkled on top of it all, no single perl module could go near automating this task. The best one can do is to separate and automate the handling of the entered data from the form itself and leave the form page as close to html as possible. A setup where the form page uses HTML::Mason (which was already mentioned) and all the database stuff is handled by some template/defintion based system (I use something called form2db) is as good as it gets. //Artem On Wednesday 05 December 2001 02:08 am, Matt Sergeant wrote: > AxKit::XSP::PerForm is quite similar to the callback nature of ASP.NET, > though of course we don't have a GUI form designer. We could certainly work > on auto-loading of values from a database, but I think you'll find it's > already pretty easy. Also PerForm has no automatic built in system to "do > the right thing" for the different browsers - you have to write separate > stylesheets yourself, but the "use different stylesheets for different > clients" bit is built into AxKit, so it's not a complete disaster. :-) > > Matt. > - Original Message - > From: "Vsevolod Ilyushchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:55 PM > Subject: ASP.NET Linux equivalent? > > > Hi, > > > > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its > > most attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the > > automatic connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting > > sick and > > tired > > > of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in > > the > > > database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > > similar, but it only presents data in the table format.) > > > > This may be somewhat offtopic, but I hope that even if there is nothing > > modperl based in existence, then maybe the readers are informed enough to > > point me in the right direction. So far it seems that neither Dotgnu nor > > Mono have anything similar. > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > > -- > > Simon (Vsevolod ILyushchenko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.simonf.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "A man who feels himself a citizen of the world whose > > loyalty is to the human race and to life, rather than > > to any exclusive part of it; a man who loves his country > > because he loves mankind, and whose judgement is not > > warped by tribal loyalties." Erich Fromm
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
On Monday, December 03, 2001, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from > MS? Its most attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web > forms and the automatic connection of their fields to a > database. Since I am getting sick and tired of writing over and > over the code to process user input and store it in the > database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does > something similar, but it only presents data in the table > format.) > > This may be somewhat offtopic, but I hope that even if there is > nothing modperl based in existence, then maybe the readers are > informed enough to point me in the right direction. So far it > seems that neither Dotgnu nor Mono have anything similar. Have you seen the perl-widget project at http://www.officevision.com/pub/Widget/? It was (is) designed to handle the problem of creating widgets that are self-aware (knowing how to display themselves in a number of formats, knowing how to update their data source, etc). The last time I took a look at the code was a few months ago, and it was well on its way at that point. The project is hosted by sourceforge, so is a mailing list and CVS access. (darren) -- We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
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Dave Hodgkinson writes: > I did an auto-form generator-from-schema thing once. > > Too many exceptions and meta-data involved to actually make it really > worthwhile. Check out the mapping for, e.g. http://petshop.bivio.biz/pub/products?p=FISH and click on Model.ProductList and View.products to see how we handle an automated mapping. We find it extremely convenient. Rob
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You can also use the tie() feature of Perl to abstract read/write to database. In fact you can write a pretty flexible module to figure out many things, such as table name, col name, etc... Add Mason, EmbedPerl and you can compete with that company in Portland... what was their name? Micro...something... On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Kee Hinckley wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 6:55 PM -0500 12/3/01, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > >attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > >connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > >of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the > >database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > > The combo of Embperl and DBIx::Recordset will come pretty close to > automating the fetch and store of database records into a form > (perhaps four or five lines of embedded Perl for each). Designing > the form is not there though. > > - -- > > Kee Hinckley - Somewhere.Com, LLC > http://consulting.somewhere.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or ...!alice!nazgul for time travelers :-) > > I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept > responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate > everyone else's. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 > > iQA/AwUBPA48/CZsPfdw+r2CEQJbJQCg9Q++f5OUtiqBjdJMtBNuGu6HM8wAoKCz > nXJM2ZccDeJH6y2Ael/+r1bh > =SgDE > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- - Medi Montaseri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix Distributed Systems EngineerHTTP://www.CyberShell.com CyberShell Engineering -
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Medi Montaseri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You can also use the tie() feature of Perl to abstract read/write to > database. In fact you can write a pretty flexible module to figure out > many things, such as table name, col name, etc... I'm a HUGE fan of Tie::DBI for dealing with little lookup tables. Works especially well with GGI.pm's widgets for creating drop downs and radio lists. Whatever happened to the widget subproject that span out of the modperl list a few months ago? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
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Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said something to this effect on 12/06/2001: > Whatever happened to the widget subproject that span out of the > modperl list a few months ago? http://www.officevision.com/pub/Widget/ Not too active lately: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=27958 (darren) -- This is the crucial difference between fiction and real life: fiction must be plausible; real life has no such constraint. -- Kevin Kelly
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A bit late, but.. Can't remember the exact URL, but search GOOGLE for GNUDOTNET. They have started to whip up a FREE version of MS's .net platform. Don't know if this is what you want, but. Cheers! Mark Harrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] `\|||/ (@@) ooO_(_)_Ooo___ _|_|_|_|_|_|_| Epping, Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA. - Original Message - From: "Vsevolod Ilyushchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: ASP.NET Linux equivalent? | Hi, | | Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most
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here maybe?: http://www.dotgnu.org/ Mark Mark Tiramani FREDO Internet Services [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks, Mark. I have looked at dotgnu, but they don't provide specifically what I was looking for - web GUI generation and automatic hookup to a database. So far, www.dbforms.org is the best product I found. Simon Mark Harrop wrote: > > A bit late, but.. > > Can't remember the exact URL, but search GOOGLE for GNUDOTNET. > > They have started to whip up a FREE version of MS's .net platform. > > Don't know if this is what you want, but. > > Cheers! > Mark Harrop > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > `\|||/ > (@@) > ooO_(_)_Ooo___ > _|_|_|_|_|_|_| > > Epping, Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA. > > - Original Message - > From: "Vsevolod Ilyushchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:55 AM > Subject: ASP.NET Linux equivalent? > > | Hi, > | > | Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most -- Simon (Vsevolod ILyushchenko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simonf.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A man who feels himself a citizen of the world whose loyalty is to the human race and to life, rather than to any exclusive part of it; a man who loves his country because he loves mankind, and whose judgement is not warped by tribal loyalties." Erich Fromm
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Vsevolod See below. Cheers Ron Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://savage.net.au/index.html > - Original Message - > From: "Vsevolod Ilyushchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:55 AM > Subject: ASP.NET Linux equivalent? > > > > Hi, > > > > Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > > attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > > connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > We're all sick and tired of it! I have written such a system. It is pure Perl, and is based on MySQL. But, no, it isn't mod_perl enabled. I just use it privately at the moment, for a group of swimming clubs, and for a wine db. I am undecided about releasing it, and if so, how to do so.
