Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Carl Fongheiser
On 10/11/05, Ricardo Kleemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,If I have a LCD TV/Monitor, that has both S-Video input and VGA input, whichis better to use, for quality of playback?
In most circumstances, the VGA input should be much better.
However, I've seen enough goofy behavior on some LCD monitors such that
I wouldn't make a blanket statement. Try both, and see which you
like better.

Carl Fongheiser

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Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Ricardo Kleemann



Would you say, then, that if I just want to watch 
SD (iow I don't need an HD-ready TV monitor) I'm better off connecting the 
mythtv frontend to a good computer monitor than having an S-Video TV monitor? 


I'm want to buy a decent 19" LCD monitor for TV 
viewing, and I was wondering whether it's better to go for an LCD TV (which is 
more expensive) or a good LCD computer monitor. If the VGA input is better, then 
I needn't worry about the LCD TV.

Ricardo

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  Carl 
  Fongheiser 
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  Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] which is 
  better, using S-Video or VGA?
  
  On 10/11/05, Ricardo 
  Kleemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Hi,If 
I have a LCD TV/Monitor, that has both S-Video input and VGA input, 
whichis better to use, for quality of playback?
  In most circumstances, the VGA input should be much better. 
  However, I've seen enough goofy behavior on some LCD monitors such that I 
  wouldn't make a blanket statement. Try both, and see which you like 
  better.Carl Fongheiser
  
  

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RE: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Simpson, Richard


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 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:43 AM
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 Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?
 
 
 This is what I was going to do (replace my TV with my good quality LCD
 computer monitor) until I tried it out. The picture quality is
 simply FAR better on a TV than on a monitor.
 
 And also TV looks FAR better on an old fashioned CRT than an LCD or
 even a plasma TV. Sure, they are more convenient what with the slim
 size, and lower power consumption but they are just not as good for
 watching TV.
 
 Go to a TV shop and see for yourself.

Main difference is that a TV has a tuner, monitors don't. This allows you to 
watch live TV and record a different channel at the same time.

Richard. 
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Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Robert Denier
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 16:42 +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote:
 This is what I was going to do (replace my TV with my good quality LCD
 computer monitor) until I tried it out. The picture quality is
 simply FAR better on a TV than on a monitor.

While a monitor may expose flaws in the tv signal to a greater extent, I
simply don't buy that TV's give better pictures.

Take a good wallpaper that is as big as a current lcd monitor's native
resolution and compare that to a tv side by side.  If you think the tv
gives the better picture, well, then I'm surprised.

I suspect part of the issue deals with removing interlacing artifacts
and the interpolation a video card will do to stretch out an image.  If
you can look for a video card that does something better than simple
linear interpolation.  Most newer ati/nvidia once probably do something
decent, but I haven't looked lately.  As to the dinterlacing, well myth
has a couple options.

Finally unless your using a 350's s-video output, I doubt the signal is
being reconstructed correctly to go to a tv and preserve the interlaced
structure.  Maybe nvidia's cards do it, but I doubt it.  Without this
preservation your again likely better off with a monitor.

 
 And also TV looks FAR better on an old fashioned CRT than an LCD or
 even a plasma TV. Sure, they are more convenient what with the slim
 size, and lower power consumption but they are just not as good for
 watching TV.
 
 Go to a TV shop and see for yourself.

At any rate I personally think my vizio l32 lcd looks better than my old
32 inch crt, but thats still my opinion I suppose.  I'm taking this lcd
back when the winbook 32 arrives so I can get a 1:1 dot for dot display
rather than the vizio's rescaling of the vga signal.

I may make a better post tomorrow once I get it to play with, but if
anyone wants a winbook 32 inch lcd you may want search for it via
pricewatch.com.  You should see it offered for $999 + 100 shipping
instead of $1099 + ~$135 shipping at their web site.

Also, if you want to use the monitor for anything other than tv, well
then a monitor is better as well.  For instance, I can read quite easily
off this LCD monitor.  Perhaps doing so sometimes will have some small
benefit to my vision since it is farther away, although I'm obviously
not an eye doctor...


-Robert

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Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Niels Dybdahl
Would you say, then, that if I just want to watch 
SD (iow I don't need an HD-ready TV monitor) I'm better off connecting the 
mythtv frontend to a good computer monitor than having an S-Video TV monitor?
The horizontal refresh rate is also important. If you are in
PAL-country with 50 half-frames per second and the LCD-monitor
refreshes with 60 Hz, then you will get bad quality. A PAL-TV-LCD might
be more likely to do internal refresh at 50 Hz.

Niels Dybdahl
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Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Andrew Wilson
Of course, you're correct and I agree with you that displaying non-TV
output is far superior on a monitor.

I was talking about the quality of the TV picture. The fast response
time of the picture on a monitor is actually a disadvantage when
displaying a 25Hz interlaced TV picture, especially for things like
scrolling text and fast action, where the blurring caused by the slow
refresh on a TV make the moving picture appear smoother.

This is all just my opinion. I've also never investigated high end
equipment because I don't have that kind of cash to spend on a TV, so
it's possible that none of this applies to expensive equipment, though
it has to be said, I still think the picture on the (much cheaper)
CRTs in the TV shop is better than the LCD and plasma screens.

cheers
Andrew
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Re: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Michael T. Dean

Simpson, Richard wrote:


From: Andrew Wilson

This is what I was going to do (replace my TV with my good quality LCD
computer monitor) until I tried it out. The picture quality is
simply FAR better on a TV than on a monitor.
   


Main difference is that a TV has a tuner, monitors don't. This allows you to 
watch live TV and record a different channel at the same time.
 

How do you (stand) watch(ing) TV without recording it in Myth?  (Or, 
better yet, why would you? ;)


Mike
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RE: [mythtv-users] which is better, using S-Video or VGA?

2005-10-11 Thread Simpson, Richard
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael T. Dean
 
 Simpson, Richard wrote:
 
 From: Andrew Wilson
 
 This is what I was going to do (replace my TV with my good 
 quality LCD
 computer monitor) until I tried it out. The picture quality is
 simply FAR better on a TV than on a monitor.
 
 
 Main difference is that a TV has a tuner, monitors don't. 
 This allows you to watch live TV and record a different 
 channel at the same time.
   
 
 How do you (stand) watch(ing) TV without recording it in Myth?  (Or, 
 better yet, why would you? ;)

Just an example! Acually, I installed multiple tuners for multiple recordings 
and to give flexibility for multiple front ends. My goal is to network all the 
TVs in my house.

Richard.
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