Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On 1/5/06, Joe Huffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 Interesting that it works over USB - even for the internal version. Also interesting that future versions may support ethernet rather than USB. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:19, Joe Huffner wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince them Vista has solid DRM support). -- Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On 1/5/06, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:19, Joe Huffner wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince themVista has solid DRM support).--Steve___mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.orghttp://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-usersI thought the whole point behind the cablecard thing was that the DRM was in the cablecard. Why would the OS have to provide DRM? Wouldn't that make cablecard really meaningless? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:43, Jason Werpy wrote: On 1/5/06, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:19, Joe Huffner wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince them Vista has solid DRM support). I thought the whole point behind the cablecard thing was that the DRM was in the cablecard. Why would the OS have to provide DRM? Wouldn't that make cablecard really meaningless? because you could take what you record and distribute it without commercials at no monetary reimbursement to the old, outdated thinking television industry... The idea behind cablecards was that you could have a tuner built into a TV or DVR thats not provided by the cable company that could tune all the normal cable channels that you currently need their specific hardware to tune. As well you could technically take your cable card to a friends house under the same cable company and get your line-up there. So say you pay for some sports package or HD thing and want to do a Football (or Futbol depending on where your from) shindig at someones house that doesn't, you just take your card there and you would get your lineup. -- Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
Lol my sentiments exactly when I met with Cablelabs and they point blank said they wouldnt provide me the development apis for my www.cognation.net/cablecard3 project. Basically even things like serial ports they wanted nailed down forget about linux as an OS. My answer to them was fine, F#* yourselves and Ill build something in a few years time once we no longer use cable as the medium. Since then Ive been working with Akimbo and a few other similar companies to encourage this ip delivered video and once Cablelabs are nothing but an historic memory Ill try again. Cheers, Dean This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince them Vista has solid DRM support). -- Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thursday 05 January 2006 9:35, Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:19, Joe Huffner wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince them Vista has solid DRM support). Ummm unless ATI has built DRM directly into their card/device (i.e., making it impossible for an open source Linux driver to be developed), then the only way this wouldn't (eventually) work under other OSes would be if ATI (or OEMs) were denied a license to develop hardware based on this design using the CableCard APIs, protocols or whatever. Other than that, if the card is manufactured (and it might only be OEM for WinMCE PCs, but that's what eBay is for...) then I don't think your cable company can legally refuse to give you a CableCard to plug into it. And, since it's only CableCard 1.0, I don't think there's any way they could selectively disable just those receivers without obsoleting their entire installed CableCard base. Am I way off base in this? -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thursday 05 January 2006 11:51, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 9:35, Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 09:19, Joe Huffner wrote: If someone already posted this, sorry for the dupe. I saw this at work and I don't have access to my home email and I wanted to post this asap. This looks very sweet and hopefully won't be too difficult for some decent developers to get working with Linux and Myth. (However, I suspect there will be some nasty DRM somewhere) http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662 you won't be able to license use of cablecards without proven DRM which is why only Vista will support it (cause MS paid enough money to convince them Vista has solid DRM support). Ummm unless ATI has built DRM directly into their card/device (i.e., making it impossible for an open source Linux driver to be developed), then the only way this wouldn't (eventually) work under other OSes would be if ATI (or OEMs) were denied a license to develop hardware based on this design using the CableCard APIs, protocols or whatever. Other than that, if the card is manufactured (and it might only be OEM for WinMCE PCs, but that's what eBay is for...) then I don't think your cable company can legally refuse to give you a CableCard to plug into it. And, since it's only CableCard 1.0, I don't think there's any way they could selectively disable just those receivers without obsoleting their entire installed CableCard base. Am I way off base in this? -JAC no, your right, once the CableCard tuner-cards are out in the wild anyone with the expertise to write drivers for linux very well could. I imagine it would take some time for it all to happen, at which point they might be on to some new method of preventing themselves from having to create a new business model -- Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 12:10 -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: no, your right, once the CableCard tuner-cards are out in the wild anyone with the expertise to write drivers for linux very well could. I imagine it would take some time for it all to happen, at which point they might be on to some new method of preventing themselves from having to create a new business model Most likely the card will only send out encrypted video using Microsoft's DRM system. I doubt we'll be very effective in getting these cards to work with Linux unless someone completely cracks that DRM. It would be nice, but I'm not terribly optimistic at this point. --PC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New ATI Tuner that supports Cablecard
On Thursday 05 January 2006 12:15, Preston Crow wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 12:10 -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: no, your right, once the CableCard tuner-cards are out in the wild anyone with the expertise to write drivers for linux very well could. I imagine it would take some time for it all to happen, at which point they might be on to some new method of preventing themselves from having to create a new business model Most likely the card will only send out encrypted video using Microsoft's DRM system. I doubt we'll be very effective in getting these cards to work with Linux unless someone completely cracks that DRM. Hmmm interesting. Certainly possible, but the (Vista) driver would need to handshake with the card somehow to get the decryption key... unless it was hard-coded into Vista (would even MS be that stupid?). Thus it *should* be a matter of reverse-engineering a driver that could handshake with the card to get the key. Much more difficult, perhaps, but maybe not impossible... It would be nice, but I'm not terribly optimistic at this point. I prefer to remain hopeful :-) -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
