Re: What's going on with NTP?

2013-12-25 Thread Randy Bush
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Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Warren Bailey
Thats why you're a bacon zombie. If you were a living person you'd know free 
beer tastes the same irrespective of the containment vessel. ;)

I hope Santa brought all of you what you wanted. If not, blame UPS.


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 Original message 
From: Bacon Zombie 
Date: 12/25/2013 11:24 AM (GMT-09:00)
To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Cc: s...@circlenet.us,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please


Pitcher of Guinness!?! What blasphemy is this, the only way to drink it is
via individually poured pint glasses.

Back to the issues I'd say MPLS or GHCQ before NSA.
On 25 Dec 2013 15:52,  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:03:02 -0500, Sam Moats said:
>
> > Also you'd be amazed how many network issues can be solved with a bunch
> > of IT folks and an ample supply of Guinness
>
> I once heard the claim that if you couldn't explain your network design and
> have the listener understand it after you had split a pitcher of Guiness,
> it was probably too complicated.
>
>


Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Bacon Zombie
Pitcher of Guinness!?! What blasphemy is this, the only way to drink it is
via individually poured pint glasses.

Back to the issues I'd say MPLS or GHCQ before NSA.
On 25 Dec 2013 15:52,  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:03:02 -0500, Sam Moats said:
>
> > Also you'd be amazed how many network issues can be solved with a bunch
> > of IT folks and an ample supply of Guinness
>
> I once heard the claim that if you couldn't explain your network design and
> have the listener understand it after you had split a pitcher of Guiness,
> it was probably too complicated.
>
>


Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.

> with a bunch of IT folks and an ample supply of Guinness.

My ex used to call it "design fluid". :-)

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Re: What's going on with NTP?

2013-12-25 Thread David Ford
On 12/25/2013 11:35 AM, John Levine wrote:
> I have two FreeBSD servers where the NTP daemons are using double digit CPU
> percentages today rather than the usual 0.01%.  Restarting them didn't help.
>
> The clock on my Android phone is five hours slow.  (It's not the time zone,
> I checked that.)
>
> Is this just my special Christmas present, or are there screwed up NTP 
> servers?
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> Dummies",
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>

you probably need to configure them correctly with:

restrict default ignore

and add additional restrict lines if you have need for other legitimate
servers to make contact with them. i suspect right now you're providing
an ntp amplification attack to the spoofed source address.

-david




Re: What's going on with NTP?

2013-12-25 Thread Jared Mauch
There have been a lot of NTP reflection attacks recently. Think the same as dns 
amplification. 

Make sure you restrict access and know how to look at the client list. 

Jared Mauch

> On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Javier Henderson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 11:35 AM, John Levine  wrote:
>> 
>> I have two FreeBSD servers where the NTP daemons are using double digit CPU
>> percentages today rather than the usual 0.01%.  Restarting them didn't help.
>> 
>> The clock on my Android phone is five hours slow.  (It's not the time zone,
>> I checked that.)
>> 
>> Is this just my special Christmas present, or are there screwed up NTP 
>> servers?
> 
> I suspect your servers are being attacked. Are you seeing a lot of in/out NTP 
> traffic on those FreeBSD servers?
> 
> -jav
> 
> 



Re: What's going on with NTP?

2013-12-25 Thread Javier Henderson

On Dec 25, 2013, at 11:35 AM, John Levine  wrote:

> I have two FreeBSD servers where the NTP daemons are using double digit CPU
> percentages today rather than the usual 0.01%.  Restarting them didn't help.
> 
> The clock on my Android phone is five hours slow.  (It's not the time zone,
> I checked that.)
> 
> Is this just my special Christmas present, or are there screwed up NTP 
> servers?

I suspect your servers are being attacked. Are you seeing a lot of in/out NTP 
traffic on those FreeBSD servers?

-jav




What's going on with NTP?

2013-12-25 Thread John Levine
I have two FreeBSD servers where the NTP daemons are using double digit CPU
percentages today rather than the usual 0.01%.  Restarting them didn't help.

The clock on my Android phone is five hours slow.  (It's not the time zone,
I checked that.)

Is this just my special Christmas present, or are there screwed up NTP servers?

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly





Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:03:02 -0500, Sam Moats said:

> Also you'd be amazed how many network issues can be solved with a bunch
> of IT folks and an ample supply of Guinness

I once heard the claim that if you couldn't explain your network design and
have the listener understand it after you had split a pitcher of Guiness,
it was probably too complicated.



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Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Martin Hotze  wrote:
>
> > On 2013-12-25 00:16, Sam Moats wrote:
>
...

> > You are likely seeing the effects of asymmetric routing.
> . .. or the effect of passing traffic through NSA infrastructure.
>
>
Ah... NSA.   That's probably it.
So much for my theory of a Router virtual chassis  straddling  the atlantic.

 or the extra kinetic energy carried by the overseas-bound packet took
longer for the router to absorb and rebound with an ICMP.





But in all seriousness --- what is probably happening here, is  the result
of extra  "hops"  that don't show up in  traceroute.
MPLS tunnels could well fit the bill.



Other things to consider when latency seems sensitive to destination IP ---
are preceding device in the traceroute might also have multiple links to
the same device;  with one link congested and some form of IP-based load
sharing,  that happens to be the toward-overseas link.



> SCNR, #m

-- 
-JH


Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please

2013-12-25 Thread Martin Hotze
> From: Jeroen Massar 
> To: s...@circlenet.us, nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Help me make sense of these traceroutes please
> 
> On 2013-12-25 00:16, Sam Moats wrote:
> > Hello Nanog community,
> > I would like to enlist your help with understanding this latency I'm
> > seeing.
> 
> You are likely seeing the effects of asymmetric routing.

. .. or the effect of passing traffic through NSA infrastructure.

SCNR, #m