[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
Thanks Tim, and all. I've just got in from a slow drive up a clogged M1, so haven't got my brain round every last paragraph on the link you sent, but I will try when I'm less bog eyed! I'm sorry it was old news, but the PM programme was the first I'd heard of it. Still not sure that churches will be safe... And surely bothering MP/prospective MP can't do any harm, if enough people do it. Meanwhile, for consolation, I've just heard from my local friendly supplier of PA gear. He says the industry has known, and been talking of it busily, for over 6 months. The industry opinion is that they're unlikely to switch before the Olympics, as even the existing channel 69, and the proposed new channel 38 together won't handle all the 300+ radio channels the Games will require. Hmmm. Happy amplifying! Richard. tim rolls BT wrote: Perhaps this link will help answer a few of the questions implied below. The consultation period may be over, but it was unlikely to have made any difference anyway, may be more joy if 100,000 people contacted their MPs. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pmse_funding/summary/ Tim - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this worth passing on, I hope. Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead radio mic? I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - we haven't got one yet. There's an article I found earlier today online at [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad io-frequencies So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of pocket, and inconvenienced too. Please complain! Best wishes, Richard. -- References 1. web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequencies To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
Thanks, I understand now. Fortunately, the mics in church use the license free bands, not channel 69, so won't be affected (I think/hope). Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Simon Knight" To: "'NSP group'" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 To complain go to: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pmse_funding/howtorespond/form These UHF systems transmit from the mic to a local receiver. If you continue to use channel 69 after broadband takes it over, you will get interference on your signal. If you are using it in a building with thick walls or a lot or metal creating a Farady cage effect you might get away with it, but probably not if BT is blasting away on the frequency. Simon -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 PM To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 Don't radio mics used in small locations (e.g. church hall etc) just work on a local signal (i.e. mic to amp - like a baby minder thing)? Apart from interference issues, wouldn't they still work like the old local CB radios - my walkie talkies still work even though they are on the obsolete (and probably illegal now) frequency. Are the channel 69 mics transmitted from a central source? As you gather, I'm not that clued up about these things. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this worth passing on, I hope. Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead radio mic? I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - we haven't got one yet. There's an article I found earlier today online at [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad io-frequencies So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of pocket, and inconvenienced too. Please complain! Best wishes, Richard. -- References 1. web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequ encies To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
Perhaps this link will help answer a few of the questions implied below. The consultation period may be over, but it was unlikely to have made any difference anyway, may be more joy if 100,000 people contacted their MPs. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pmse_funding/summary/ Tim - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this worth passing on, I hope. Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead radio mic? I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - we haven't got one yet. There's an article I found earlier today online at [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad io-frequencies So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of pocket, and inconvenienced too. Please complain! Best wishes, Richard. -- References 1. web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequencies To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 07:50:00
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
This link had a deadline alas: "Ofcom invites written comments on the questions raised in this consultation, to be submitted to Ofcom by 5pm 11 September 2009. " -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Knight Sent: 19 November 2009 00:51 To: 'NSP group' Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 To complain go to: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pmse_funding/howtorespond/form These UHF systems transmit from the mic to a local receiver. If you continue to use channel 69 after broadband takes it over, you will get interference on your signal. If you are using it in a building with thick walls or a lot or metal creating a Farady cage effect you might get away with it, but probably not if BT is blasting away on the frequency. Simon -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 PM To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 Don't radio mics used in small locations (e.g. church hall etc) just work on a local signal (i.e. mic to amp - like a baby minder thing)? Apart from interference issues, wouldn't they still work like the old local CB radios - my walkie talkies still work even though they are on the obsolete (and probably illegal now) frequency. Are the channel 69 mics transmitted from a central source? As you gather, I'm not that clued up about these things. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 > > Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers > here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this > worth passing on, I hope. > Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom > hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio > mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. >They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but > existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. > To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be > making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. > They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus > rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its > replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead > radio mic? >I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - > we haven't got one yet. > There's an article I found earlier today online at > [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad > io-frequencies > So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, > schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of > pocket, and inconvenienced too. > Please complain! > Best wishes, > Richard. > -- > > References > > 1. > web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequ encies > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
"Don't radio mics ... just work on a local signal?" Yes, but mobile BB will be everywhere - radio mics on channel 69 will probably be unusable, and will sound like when you phone a fax machine. Further the mobile BB people have enough clout that ofcom will clamp down on any source of interference. This will mess up education as well as entertainment, and education budgets are tight enough as it is. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of colin Sent: 19 November 2009 00:29 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 Don't radio mics used in small locations (e.g. church hall etc) just work on a local signal (i.e. mic to amp - like a baby minder thing)? Apart from interference issues, wouldn't they still work like the old local CB radios - my walkie talkies still work even though they are on the obsolete (and probably illegal now) frequency. Are the channel 69 mics transmitted from a central source? As you gather, I'm not that clued up about these things. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 > > Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers > here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this > worth passing on, I hope. > Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom > hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio > mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. >They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but > existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. > To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be > making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. > They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus > rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its > replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead > radio mic? >I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - > we haven't got one yet. > There's an article I found earlier today online at > [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad > io-frequencies > So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, > schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of > pocket, and inconvenienced too. > Please complain! > Best wishes, > Richard. > -- > > References > > 1. > web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequencies > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
To complain go to: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pmse_funding/howtorespond/form These UHF systems transmit from the mic to a local receiver. If you continue to use channel 69 after broadband takes it over, you will get interference on your signal. If you are using it in a building with thick walls or a lot or metal creating a Farady cage effect you might get away with it, but probably not if BT is blasting away on the frequency. Simon -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 PM To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69 Don't radio mics used in small locations (e.g. church hall etc) just work on a local signal (i.e. mic to amp - like a baby minder thing)? Apart from interference issues, wouldn't they still work like the old local CB radios - my walkie talkies still work even though they are on the obsolete (and probably illegal now) frequency. Are the channel 69 mics transmitted from a central source? As you gather, I'm not that clued up about these things. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 > > Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers > here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this > worth passing on, I hope. > Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom > hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio > mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. >They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but > existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. > To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be > making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. > They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus > rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its > replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead > radio mic? >I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - > we haven't got one yet. > There's an article I found earlier today online at > [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad > io-frequencies > So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, > schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of > pocket, and inconvenienced too. > Please complain! > Best wishes, > Richard. > -- > > References > > 1. > web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequ encies > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69
Don't radio mics used in small locations (e.g. church hall etc) just work on a local signal (i.e. mic to amp - like a baby minder thing)? Apart from interference issues, wouldn't they still work like the old local CB radios - my walkie talkies still work even though they are on the obsolete (and probably illegal now) frequency. Are the channel 69 mics transmitted from a central source? As you gather, I'm not that clued up about these things. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: [NSP] Radio Mics and channel 69 Not instantly an obvious smallpipes issue, I realise, but enough pipers here are in bands or other organisations using radio mics to make this worth passing on, I hope. Monday's Radio 4 PM programme reported that the Gov't, in their Ofcom hat, are selling off the radio frequencies used in the UK by all radio mics, including loop systems, known as channel 69. They're going to re-assign different frequencies for this use, but existing equipment won't work on them, so will need replacing. To be really helpful they aren't telling which frequencies they'll be making available instead, or when they'll be doing it. They are apparently generously offering to pay for the equipment thus rendered useless, but only the value of the stuff at the time, not its replacement value. .. anyone want to guess the market value of a dead radio mic? I know the mics aren't re-tunable, I don't know about the receivers - we haven't got one yet. There's an article I found earlier today online at [1]web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-rad io-frequencies So bands, churches, concert halls, theatres, amateur dramatic groups, schools, and anyone else using this equipment is going to be out of pocket, and inconvenienced too. Please complain! Best wishes, Richard. -- References 1. web.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/ofcom-channel-69-radio-frequencies To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
