Re: [NTG-context] context instal
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 08:36:20PM +0100, Marek Jirkovský wrote: Cool, Very much thanks to luigi scarso - this is the way to help. I didt know that goes to mailing list. It was maybe a bit insulting for Mr. Gundlach and i am sorry for that. By the way your manual is very geeky too. :] i guess yout geekness is very high. Respect for that. I meant it generally - this ist just tool for something. Why lose time / generrally with just configuring and installing. Thats what i mean. Why do you think i've tried this. I did`t look for word replacement. Word is not enough to do something bigger and to have it good looking. ConTeXt loks very good for this purposes, easier then LaTex or some other Tex stuff. I just wonder to have some easy installing package, cause these things - i never liked them. it's evil. I'm sorry to say that, but if you find installing ConTeXt hard, I suggest you look for something else because installing it is no way near the complexity of actually using it, you are just wasting your, and many other people's, time. Regards, Khaled ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
2011/12/20 Patrick Gundlach wrote: .Just want to say Im very dissapointed that no installing package of ConText exist. I mean like you install things in Win – two cliks and Done! Sorry, but we don't install things in Windows. We use better operating systems. After that, turn on your computer and start your web browser and go to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Windows_Installation and downlaod the installer. That Windows installer has been known to be somewhat broken, so I wouldn't suggest that at the moment. (I got another offer for an installer during the conference, but my procrastination on rewriting distribution scripts keeps him happily waiting.) But dear Mr. Jirkov - ConTeXt is NOT FOR ABSOLUTE DUMMIES. If you create a stupid typo, you need to know how to proceed based on some cryptic error message. And dummies often don't. M. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
Am 2011-12-20 um 22:46 schrieb Patrick Gundlach: Well, ConTeXt _is_ hard to install. First you have to sacrifice one of your family members. Afterwards, you need to hum the magic chant in order to open your spirit. After you have done that, please draw a circle around your computer and put candles on it, making the shape of a pentagram. Now, and this is important, go six times clockwise around that circle, six times counter clockwise and then six times clockwise again. After that, turn on your computer and start your webbrowser and go to Wikified: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Humour#Installation_chant Unfortunately you forgot the instructions on proper dressing (prefer fabric in Dutch weave, avoid latex) and details on the sacrifice. For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml Greetlings, Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
2011/12/20 Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch: Hello Marek, Hi Mr. Gundlach .Just want to say Im very dissapointed that no installing package of ConText exist. I mean like you install things in Win – two cliks and Done! I was studying ConText whole afternoon and i liked it – But – im very very sick of this kind of installing. It just makes people like me to hate the whole thing about trying something else then MS Word. I was eager to learn this ConText ant than BIIG! Frustration cause i could not run it. All those versions of packages - i wanted to shoot myself. Yea, i know you dont get paid for this, BUT - come on Mr. Gundla. Is it that hard to make one ABSOLUTE DUMMY PACKAGE (you geeks can call it how you want i know you like to use word dummies for people who are lesser geeks than you :) ) two cliks and lalala! Hello Word! You save afternoon to many other people :D Just think about it, ok? I don't know if it's a private exchange of messages, but anyway... 1) ConTeXt comes in two flavour: mkii and mkiv. mkii uses pdftex, and it's frozen, mkiv uses luatex and it's under active development 2) If you plan to use mkii, the simplest way is download and install the latest texlive; it has an installer, it's full of fonts --- and it's big. 3) if you want to use mkiv, keep in mind that it's under active development: things can change from a release (aka beta) to another and a certain level of skill in system management and programming is required to manage the changes 4) the main developer uses Windows, and at least other two use Linux and Mac because, following the TeX tradition, we try to be OS/distro-aware (at least for the more common OS) 5) ConTeXt (and TeX) is not like MS Word, even if there are some programs that have a visual approach (TeXmacs, Texworks, for example, but most of them use Latex) For a properly configured system, an editor is almost all is needed. Under Windows there is a very good support for Scite, but I use emacs (so that I don't change anything when I switch to Linux ) and I don't have any kind of problem. Given that, installing more than a mkiv-beta and/or install mkiv frequently it's quite common, and for this task the command line approach is better than other. The instructions for windows are http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Installation_and_use_on_Windows and are not particularly complicated -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:18AM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml Mojca, Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running ConTeXt mkiv on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core. Furthermore, my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script. Would it be possible for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly - that is before Christmas, as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished before next week? Currently, I am stuck. Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already developed a general emacs script) Alan Minimal example: ./first-setup.sh Error: your system VüDü Linux - dead_badger is not supported yet. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
Am 2011-12-21 um 14:36 schrieb Alan Braslau: Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running ConTeXt mkiv on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core. Furthermore, my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script. Would it be possible for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly - that is before Christmas, as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished before next week? Currently, I am stuck. Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already developed a general emacs script) Alan Minimal example: ./first-setup.sh Error: your system VüDü Linux - dead_badger is not supported yet. Sorry, I should have told you... That article is rather outdated. The developers of Vüdü Linux dropped support for badgers. To get TeX running on Vüdü, it would be best to use a dead lion, but those are hard to get by and tend to go feral on you. Try a domestic cat. The only variant of TeX that runs on Vüdü nowadays is LunaticTeX; its native output format is DeVIl, but it also supports LightScribe via SilverLight. To get PDF output, you need to form a golem from adobe and plug it via a fresh umbilical cord (stem cell quality). Maybe also Knuth’s iTeX will run, if you can afford a transdimensional license. Seasoned greetlings, Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
On 21-12-2011 14:36, Alan Braslau wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:18AM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: For reference see also http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml Mojca, Due to some particularities, I am having some problems running ConTeXt mkiv on my machine (VüDü Linux). The standard linux binaries dump core. Furthermore, my system is not recognized by the Standalone installation script. Would it be possible for Taco to add this architecture to luatex development - quickly - that is before Christmas, as I have a major, life-depending project that has to be finished before next week? Currently, I am stuck. Luigi has volunteered to maintain the binaries (he has already developed a general emacs script) Alan Minimal example: ../first-setup.sh Error: your system VüDü Linux - dead_badger is not supported yet. the webpage tells you to wear one (1) pair latex gloves so that must be the problem Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
Cool, Very much thanks to luigi scarso - this is the way to help. I didt know that goes to mailing list. It was maybe a bit insulting for Mr. Gundlach and i am sorry for that. By the way your manual is very geeky too. :] i guess yout geekness is very high. Respect for that. I meant it generally - this ist just tool for something. Why lose time /generrally with just configuring and installing. Thats what i mean. Why do you think i've tried this. I did`t look for word replacement. Word is not enough to do something bigger and to have it good looking. ConTeXt loks very good for this purposes, easier then LaTex or some other Tex stuff. I just wonder to have some easy installing package, cause these things - i never liked them. it's evil. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] context instal
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 21:36, Marek Jirkovský mara.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: I just wonder to have some easy installing package, cause these things - i never liked them. it's evil. There was, but unfortunately it has been broken for a while, it just couldn't keep up with the software. It is both an advantage and a disadvantage to ConTeXt that it is a rapidly developing system. That gives it a lot of flexibility and we users can have close contact with the developers, so if you wish for something, you may actually get it, too. On the other hand this means that things are continuously on the move and sometimes you have to readjust your coding or your installation to fit the bill. It also seems that somewhere there's still a link to that old wiki page on Windows installation, I thought I'd killed them all... Here are the instructions that worked in September-October 2011, when I installed a few Windows 7 machines. Unfortunately it still involves fiddling a bit with file paths, but you only need to do this once; after that updating is pretty smooth (if the beta isn't broken in some other way...). http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows_Installation:_ConTeXt_Suite_with_SciTe As the only TeX system I use is ConTeXt, I've been running ConTeXt + SciTe combo almost from the moment it became available, and I've been reasonably happy with it most of the time. I admit that when I migrated my work stuff from Word to ConTeXt, the learning curve was very steep - and again this week I've spent several hours cursing non-existent documentation and trying to figure out in what order to do things. BUT once I get things to work in the way they should, upkeep is usually easy and I don't risk getting my graphics heavy files broken like what used to happen with Word. [Just had to go through another round of fighting over my right to use ConTeXt for what I do, but it seems that I won this round. Money talks, too, installing ConTeXt + SciTe on five computers is a lot cheaper than doing the same with InDesign...] Hope this helps, Mari Voipio ConTeXting in Windows since around 2003 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
