Re: Servers in remote locations

[Don Ely]

I'll add that if you can...  Look into the Cisco 3945. You can put a UCS
blade with plenty of RAM, disk and processor, 48 port POE switch and T1,
ADSL or 4g cards in it. I call it network in a box or NIB. Sweet setup and
simplifies things.
On Feb 26, 2013 11:53 AM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:

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> It makes the management and the recovery (more important) much easier.
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> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:
>
>> I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently
>> serving as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the
>> hardware that they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the
>> technology of today if people think it is of value to replace the existing
>> servers with servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP,
>> and 1 file & print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all
>> roles installed? The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be
>> 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[Ken Schaefer]

I probably sound like a broken record, but what requirements and constraints do 
you have?

E.g. I did a project to deploy something like this to ~600 branch sites. In 
that case, the SCCM, AD, File & Print and Wintel teams are all separate, so 
that was a key consideration in designing the end state.

In your case, what are the key considerations?
a) Who's supporing this infrastructure? (one team? or many?) And how is it 
supported? (onsite? remote, and if remote, is it relying on in-band or do you 
have out-of-band?)
b) What's your software licensing model?
c) What's the current track record of incidents for your servers? Do you often 
have the print queues or file shares causing issues? Do you have a lot of 
hardware failures?

As others have pointed out, virtualising does have benefits. But given the 
workloads, unless you have hardware failure, I don't particularly see restoring 
an RODC or backing up a file server (assuming you have access to some kind of 
replication technology) particularly hard. Virtualisation also has overheads - 
managing more software instances, potentially juggling storage etc

Cheers
Ken


From: Tim Vander Kooi [tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Servers in remote locations

I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently serving 
as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the hardware that 
they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the technology of 
today if people think it is of value to replace the existing servers with 
servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, and 1 file & 
print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all roles installed? 
The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[Jon Harris]

Personally I would go the one physical running Hyper-V and two virtual servers 
splitting the work.  Unless you prefer to go the VMware route and do the same.  
I would take the free version of VMware and save the money.  I have never had 
or heard of any good experiences with running a file/print server on a DC and 
would avoid that as much as I could.  I don't think you would have any great 
issue with getting both of these to play well as virtuals and depending on the 
level and licensing of the physical server OS you could even split it to 3 
virtuals putting the print server on it's own. Jon
 > From: tvanderk...@expl.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: Servers in remote locations
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:23:46 -0500
> 
> I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently 
> serving as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the 
> hardware that they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the 
> technology of today if people think it is of value to replace the existing 
> servers with servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, 
> and 1 file & print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all 
> roles installed? The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 
> 2012. Ideas?
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Re: Servers in remote locations

[Steven Peck]

We have two ESXi hosts and an external drive array for even the small
offices with 1-3 guests.  Windows 2012 wasn't out in the release cycle for
hardware refresh and we have a large ESXi install base now.  We're looking
at HyperV but change is slow if at all :)

Getting Engineers onsite if there are issues is problematic enough that the
additional costs in hardware makes up for it if we have to have one local
visit.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> I've recently helped a company build out several branch offices and one to
> deploy a remote datacenter.
>
> We virtualized everything. Absolutely everything.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Servers in remote locations
>
> I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently
> serving as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the
> hardware that they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the
> technology of today if people think it is of value to replace the existing
> servers with servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP,
> and 1 file & print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all
> roles installed? The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be
> 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[Art DeKneef]

Server/VM ratios depend on Server OS version.

I think you are thinking of Server 2008 R2 Standard which does give you 4 VMs 
per server license.

However that has changed in Server 2012 Standard. You are only allowed 2 VMs 
per server license. Server 2012 Datacenter gives you unlimited. While unlimited 
based on the specs of your hardware.

-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Servers in remote locations

Yea, run VM's. No reason not to and lots of little reasons why you should.

" I'd run 2VM's if licensing isn't an issue."

Licensing shouldn't be an issue, IIRC you can run 4 VM's under one server 
license.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Servers in remote locations

I use VM's whenever possible, even if it's a 1:1. Moves/upgrades are simply 
much easier. I'd run 2VM's if licensing isn't an issue.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Servers in remote locations

I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently serving 
as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the hardware that 
they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the technology of 
today if people think it is of value to replace the existing servers with 
servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, and 1 file & 
print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all roles installed? 
The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[Michael B. Smith]

I've recently helped a company build out several branch offices and one to 
deploy a remote datacenter.

We virtualized everything. Absolutely everything.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Servers in remote locations

I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently serving 
as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the hardware that 
they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the technology of 
today if people think it is of value to replace the existing servers with 
servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, and 1 file & 
print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all roles installed? 
The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[Kennedy, Jim]

Yea, run VM's. No reason not to and lots of little reasons why you should.

" I'd run 2VM's if licensing isn't an issue."

Licensing shouldn't be an issue, IIRC you can run 4 VM's under one server 
license.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Servers in remote locations

I use VM's whenever possible, even if it's a 1:1. Moves/upgrades are simply 
much easier. I'd run 2VM's if licensing isn't an issue.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Servers in remote locations

I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently serving 
as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the hardware that 
they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the technology of 
today if people think it is of value to replace the existing servers with 
servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, and 1 file & 
print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all roles installed? 
The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 2012. Ideas?
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RE: Servers in remote locations

[David Lum]

I use VM's whenever possible, even if it's a 1:1. Moves/upgrades are simply 
much easier. I'd run 2VM's if licensing isn't an issue.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Servers in remote locations

I have got a number of servers at remote locations which are currently serving 
as RODC and file and print servers. It is time to upgrade the hardware that 
they are running on and I am curious with hypervisors and the technology of 
today if people think it is of value to replace the existing servers with 
servers running 2 separate virtual servers: 1 RODC, DNS, DHCP, and 1 file & 
print; or would you run it all as one physical server with all roles installed? 
The existing servers are 2008R2 and the new ones will be 2012. Ideas?
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