Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Open Bodoni
El Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:29:06 +0400 Alexandre Prokoudine escribió: > FYI, > > http://www.libregraphicsworld.org/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=3 > > Alexandre http://www.libregraphicsworld.org/ <- Why didn't you announced when the site was launched!? :)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Cantarell
El Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:13:42 +0100 Dave Crossland escribió: > Hi, > > I published my first typeface at http://abattis.org/cantarell :-) > congratulations!
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Firefox 3.5 is out!
El Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:25:01 +0100 Dave Crossland escribió: > http://getfirefox.com :-) the @font-face revolution begins!
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Free/Open/Libre
El Tue, 12 May 2009 23:19:49 +0100 Dave Crossland escribió: > One of the terms was the Free/Open/Libre distinction. I have been > using the term "free fonts" or "free software fonts" in all my work, > including work on the OFLB, and likewise Nicolas has been doing the > same with the term "open fonts." > What do you think? +1 "libre fonts"
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?
El Fri, 29 May 2009 10:30:50 -0400 Behdad Esfahbod escribió: > Hi, > What I don't understand is, why is it a good idea to let website > designers choose what font *I* read their text with? you always have the possibility to change to your own page style in the browser page layout design or typography design are not only decorative issues, are another layer of meaning! > how is making it easier for website designers to enforce their type > on me a good thing? is a good thing, as you think it is good that in the world different languages are spoken, not a single saludos!
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Sample images
El Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:23:08 +0200 Schrijver escribió: > >> > > If they didn't make an image already, then please do make some :-) > > **1** > > > > I hope you might also consider teaching your students a little > > type design! :-) **2** > > > 1 - > will do! > or, let do > > 2 - > that would be sort of inappropriate since they already have famous > type designers teaching them just that :-) > showing them the possibility to apply these skills for the common > good, that is definitely an aim though… > > Oh and > > 3 > apologies for being staying so silent after stampeding in like a > month ago, > the whole foss font <> commercial font debate I think the non-commercial fonts are not free fonts! however, it is true that privative licensing may be better for business, for now.. :) was a bit more intense > than i had foreseen, > it took me a while to get it all, including the shouting and name- > calling out of my system. > > But luckily over here seems to be the hopeful side of the fence, > It might sound ludicrous but it makes me think of T.S. Eliot I’ve > been reading > > ‘Living to live in a world of time beyond me; let me > Resign my life for this life, my speech for that unspoken, > The awakened, lips parted, the hope, the new ships.’ > > I really have to restrain myself now, before I lapse into life > philosophies for foss… > I’ll make sure to find a suitable context for that :-) > > best! > > Eric
[OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License
Warning: SIL Open Font License http://perens.com/blog/2009/02/17/64/ "There appears to be an unintended loophole that would allow the conversion of any font under the license to public domain." is it true? What do you think? saludos!
[OpenFontLibrary] web font optimizer
"Web fonts let you link any TrueType fonts into your web pages using CSS, freeing you from the old limited set of standard fonts. They are supported in all modern (well, future) browsers: Firefox 3.1+, Opera 10+, Safari 3.1+, and also IE4+. " http://fonts.philip.html5.org/ (source code available without license specified) saludos!
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] @font-face, is it really needed for font preview?
El Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:56:52 +0100 Nicolas Mailhot escribió: > Le lundi 09 février 2009 à 16:34 -0500, Liam R E Quin a écrit : > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 11:09 -0500, Daniel Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Ed Trager > > > wrote: > > > > T[...] > > > It would be trivial to write a FontForge script that generated an > > > SVG font anytime someone uploaded a new .otf, .ttf or .sfd file. > > > > You'd have to make sure the license allowed redistribution of the > > font in a different format and under the same name, of course. > > Note also that all hinting is lost, as well as opentype tables... > > Which is why the result should be a plain SVG file, not a "SVG font" > or anything that duplicated the whole font, to avoid font > embedding/derivative work licensing clauses (GPL... :() > > (sure a preview is a derivative work but I doubt a *limited* > derivative work will ever be a legal problem) > I think that font preview is not a derivative work from the font (font as software), like a binary code is not derivative work from the compiler, or .doc is not derivative of microsoft word
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Public Domain Fonts due to lack of copyright notice
El Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:59:31 -0500 Liam R E Quin escribió: > The goal is to create a community of people > designing and releasing type, not to try and find legal loopholes to > annoy the very people we want to attract. +1 :) > Regards, > > Liam > >
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Public Domain Fonts due to lack of copyright notice
here Ulrich Stiehl document that compiled more than 1000 Linotype
fonts which are in public domain since at least January 2008
http://www.sanskritweb.net/forgers/publicdomain.pdf
> Compiled by Ulrich Stiehl, Heidelberg 2008
>
> Fonts are not copyrightable as "computer programs" ("font software") for the
> following two simple reasons:
> Firstly, fonts are no computer programs. Secondly, font designers are no
> computer programmers.
>
> However, many font buyers are dimwitted, and therefore font sellers make
> these dimwitted font buyers
> believe that fonts are "font software" or "computer programs" and make these
> dimwitted font buyers believe,
> for instance, that a judge, e.g. Chief Justice of the United States John G.
> Roberts, if he draws the letter "O"
> with a drawing program, is at this very moment a "computer programmer"
> writing a "computer program"
> (see below page 2). Of course, only dimwitted font buyers believe such
> nonsense, while intelligent persons
> know that fonts are no computer programs and font designers are no computer
> programmers.
>
> For legal details see http://www.sanskritweb.net/forgers/computerprogramm.pdf
> (in German language only)
>
> Since fonts are no computer programs, they cannot be protected as computer
> programs by copyright law.
> Therefore only the design of fonts may be protected, provided the respective
> country provides protection of
> font designs. This is the case for Germany, where font designs, provided such
> designs are new and original,
> may be protected for a maximum period of 25 years by registration at the
> German patent office in Munich.
> Since the maximum 25-year-registration period is calculated starting at the
> end of the year of registration,
> this means for the present year 2008 that fonts published in 1982 or earlier
> are now in 2008 in public domain
> (Calculation: End of year 1982 + 1 day = 1st January 1983 + 25 years = 1st
> January 2008).
>
> For instance, in May 1982, the German Mergenthaler Linotype GmbH in Eschborn
> near Frankfurt published
> a font catalog including well over 1000 Latin fonts divided into 304 Latin
> font families. (This font catalog
> also contained non-Latin fonts which we may ignore here for our design
> registration period calculations.)
>
> According to above calculation, all fonts contained in this 1982 Linotype
> font catalog have fallen into public
> domain at least since 1st January 2008. In fact, however, many fonts
> contained in this Linotype catalog have
> been in public domain already much earlier for the following reasons: a) Many
> fonts contained in the 1982
> catalog are much older, i.e. they had been designed many years before the
> year of 1982, b) The design of
> many Linotype fonts could not be registered due to lack of newness and
> originality, c) Many fonts had not
> been registered at all or had only been registered for a much shorter period,
> e.g. for 5 or 10 years.
>
> The fact that many fonts contained in the 1982 Linotype catalog had been
> licensed by other foundries can be
> ignored here, since also all non-Linotype fonts listed in the 1982 catalog
> are now in public domain.
>
> So, for practical purposes, we may say that all more than 1000 fonts
> contained in the 1982 Linotype catalog
> published in 1982 under the title "Type Faces – Schriften – Caractères" are
> in public domain now in 2008.
> For the complete list of these PD fonts see below pages 3 and 4.
>
> For example, the Linotype catalog of January 1984 contains 1400 fonts, so
> that 400 additional Linotype fonts
> will fall into public domain in the year of 2010. And e.g. the Linotype
> catalog of 1989 contains 2000 fonts
> with the consequence that 1000 additional Linotype fonts will be in public
> domain in the year of 2015.
>
> In the United States, the period of protection is only 14 years ("Patents for
> designs shall be granted for the
> term of fourteen years from the date of grant", 35 U.S.C. 173 Term of design
> patent). This means that e.g.
> most fonts contained in the "Linodobe" font collection (see
> http://www.sanskritweb.net/forgers/linodobe.pdf)
> have already fallen into public domain, as far as the USA is concerned.
>
>
> Ulrich Stiehl, July 2008
2008/11/11 :
> It's my understanding that anything published in the U.S. before March 1,
> 1989 without a valid copyright notice is in the public domain. (unless the
> work was registered with the copyright office, fees paid within a short time
> period.)
>
> It would seem likely SOME fonts were created during that time period without
> a copyright notice. Does anyone know of any?
>
>
>
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Open Font Library Patrons Page
El Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:38:58 + "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Hi! > > The new site is finally coming together. The wiki is now mostly > themed. > > The "Patrons" page is now finalised: > > http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons > > Comments, please! :-) > > Cheers, > Dave es-pec-ta-cu-lar! sorry, I do not know many adjectives in English! the only way to preview fonts will be @font-face method?
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] wiki to spanish
El Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:30:50 + "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > 2008/11/14 minombresbond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I would like to contribute with the translation of some section of > > the ofl wiki to spanish, How can I do? > > sorry if the answer is already on the wiki! > > The pages in this list would be ideal! :-) > > http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/OFLB_TODO_list#Copywriting ok, thanks
[OpenFontLibrary] wiki to spanish
I would like to contribute with the translation of some section of the ofl wiki to spanish, How can I do? sorry if the answer is already on the wiki! saludos!
Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service
El Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:27:26 +0100 Olivier BERTEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > You might also have a look at the Internet Archive: > > http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Alphabets%22 > > http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Illumination%20of%20books%20and%20manuscripts%22 > > All these books are Public Domain. nice resources! > > Liam R E Quin a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 20:41 -0200, minombresbond wrote: > > > > > >> I take this opportunity to ask if you know about scaned images of > >> public domain or olds typography catalog resources on the web, I > >> know about raph levien's catalogs like: > >> > >> http://levien.com/type/atf_1912/ > >> http://levien.com/type/atf_1923/ > >> http://levien.com/type/atf_1934/ > >> http://levien.com/type/atf_1941/ > >> > >> There is something else? > >> > > > > Is there anything specific you are looking for? At what > > sort of resolution? I've considered adding a lot of typeface > > scans to www.fromoldbooks.org but not sure who would benefit. > > > > > > > ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service
El Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:33:02 + "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > 2008/11/5 minombresbond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I take this opportunity to ask if you know about scaned images of > > public domain or olds typography catalog resources on the web, > > I don't know of other such resources, but if you find them, please > contribute them to the wiki somewhere, such as > > http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Font_Design#I_want_to_revive_a_historic_design > :-) > > http://www.fromoldbooks.org might have some typography..? > > > I understand that the glyps of any typeface is not > > 'copyrightable' material in USA > > Well, the shapes of letters are not copyrightable in the USA, but they > may be subject to a 14 year "design patent." yes, but as far as I know, patenting a typeface is not a practical alternative, the patent must be aproved or not, no automated process like a copyright registration , and it is not commonly used by designers, and 'patented typeface' are few exceptional cases (is there any?) in my copy-font example I would choose a non-patented font :P > > and the rest of the world > > Here in the UK there is a 25 year copyright on them. Maybe in Germany > and other places too. that registration process is like a registration of song, art, literature etc.? the copyrigth is for the artwork presented, for the glyphs like-a-form? Have the designers used the registry? is practical? can I register my bookman revival glyps like a original work? many questions! sorry saludos! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service
El Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:14:26 + "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Hi! > > 2008/11/5 jeremy schorderet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > i am jeremy. > > i am a graduating student in graphic design in ECAL/switzerland. > > i have a little experience in type design. > > Pleased to meet you! I'm a student on the MA Typeface Design course in > Reading, UK :-) > > > i would like to participate in the free font project > > Wonderful! > > > what kind of font is most needed? > > I think Ed's idea is great, but if you hoping to develop a new > typeface design and font from nothing, I would suggest searching > around for "most popular fonts" lists and seeing what you like. I'm > not suggesting making any direct copies, but the free software font > movement needs fonts that people want to use, and the proprietary > fonts many people use is a good guide to this. > There are two general sources for such lists: Proprietary font > distributors, and graphic design bloggers. Here are some examples: > > http://www.myfonts.com/bestsellers.html > http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/popular.php > http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/bestsellers.php > http://www.ascenderfonts.com/list/most-popular.aspx > > http://www.instantshift.com/2008/10/05/21-most-used-fonts-by-professional-designers/ > http://www.typeoff.de/?p=122 > > If you are thinking of doing a "historic revival" of a public domain > type design (which is, worldwide, anything older than 25 years, I take this opportunity to ask if you know about scaned images of public domain or olds typography catalog resources on the web, I know about raph levien's catalogs like: http://levien.com/type/atf_1912/ http://levien.com/type/atf_1923/ http://levien.com/type/atf_1934/ http://levien.com/type/atf_1941/ There is something else? > as far > as I know but I am not a lawyer and that's not legal advice ;-) that > doesn't yet exist as a free software font - say, Gill Sans - Raph > Levien has done some good work like that, and even written some > prototype software to help with the overall process. I understand that the glyps of any typeface is not 'copyrightable' material in USA and the rest of the world http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/formprocessor/copyright/cfr.pl?&urlmiddle=1.0.2.6.2.0.174.1&part=202§ion=1&prev=&next=2 (except any 'patented' typefaces in any european countrys), then, I can take any 'privative' actual font, printing the font, re-drawing the glips, reasign the kerning pairs etc and publish that font (the font software) in any free licence.. but this procedure will not be seen very well, by my colleagues tipographers... > Best, > Dave > ___ > Openfontlibrary mailing list > Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] StixFonts license update
El Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:52:41 +0400 "Alexandre Prokoudine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: > > > Well, it seems like they listened to recommendations from you and > > Barbara (and probably other reviewers and beta testers in the > > community): http://www.stixfonts.org/user_license.html > > http://www.stixfonts.org/STIXfaq.html > > That still doesn't make the fonts available :) here: http://olegueret.googlepages.com/stixfonts-ttf > Alexandre > ___ > Openfontlibrary mailing list > Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Hi from argentina
El Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:21:31 +0200 Nicolas Spalinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > >> Hola Juan, > >> > >> Looking forward to your articles on free software and typography :) > >> Let us know where and when you publish them. > > > > coming soon, I only propose to spread some topics like > > free font licensing, free software for designrs, free font movement, > > There is not much (spanish) information about that on internet > > > Seems like your site is now available :-) > > For those who haven't come across it yet it's: > http://www.disenolibre.org/ > > Muchas gracias for your efforts in providing this excellent resource > around libre design to the spanish-speaking community :-) > > Bye, > yes! the site is now available, thanks :) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] urw donated or not
the urw font package is one of the best quality collection of free-as-freedom fonts, gplized for the ghostscript project the people say on the web that these sources were *donated* by urw but, in the Raph Levin blog in advocato I found: http://www.advogato.org/person/raph/diary/257.html "By the way, URW did not donate these fonts under the GPL out of their own hearts. Artifex paid good money for them, and donated them out of a mix of self-interest and altruism." Is this really the case? thanks! BTW: i wrote some posts in www.disenolibre.org for disseminating information about the next LGM 2008 and free font movement topics, Open Font Library too (in spanish!) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Hi from argentina
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:05:50 +0100 "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i visited the unifont site, http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/, and it seems > > that there is a consensus behind the OFL license > > Yes; If you succeed in convincing font developers who normally > distribute fonts with proprietary licenses to use the OFL, please do > post about it here :-) haha, I mean consensous in the FOSS community context! How convincing an font developer to use OFL (perhaps once in a while!)? is another matter.. my personal vision is paciencie, non-provocative argumentation, diplomatic, long term goals, and 'practice what you preach' is needed here, there is a small but active group of font designers, inspired in the work and academic lessons of Ruben Fontana, I think that part of this comunity could agree with the free philosophy.. if they knew a little more! but I only know about 3 local profesional designer that really knows something about FLOSS, or use any free software for graphic design! I believe that we must talk about 'free culture' instead/besides 'free software' when we talk with a the graphic designers, becose the software freedom issue have understood like a software/geek/hacker/technological issue but not design issue, especially 'non-webdesigner' designers > The "Open Font License" always refers to the SIL OFL, as far as I > know. If there is a specific part that is ambiguous, please post a > link :-) http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Font_Licensing "What license should fonts submitted to this project be governed under? The Open Font License." <- Then refers to SIL-OFL, right? then i can say that OpenFontLibrary recommend SIL-OFL too? BTW I want to experiment with parametric fonts with metafont, (for the moment I only playing hacking the computer-modern metafont code.. but i have a little typographic project with that) and I am grateful for the mention of the book Fonts & Encodings by Yannis Haralambous in ths list, is like a bible! thanks! great resource! -- Regards JS ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Hi from argentina
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:20:25 +0100 "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/01/2008, Nicolas Spalinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Looking forward to your articles on free software and typography :) > > Let us know where and when you publish them. > > Yes :-) > > > As for an official position of openfontlibrary, I guess we should set > > this community voting system up someday... > > For sure; and a planet for collating our blogs... :-) > > > I'll let the others answer and simply point out that the current hosting > > platform supports tagging your fonts as released under the OFL and that > > there are currently about 20 fonts released under the OFL published on > > the OFLB (openfontlibrary): > > http://openfontlibrary.org/media/tags/OFL > > Yes, the Open Font Library will eventually (I hope) publish fonts > under any and all free software licenses, and then recommend a couple > for various common scenarios. > > The "Expat" license is great for "do anything you like, I don't care > at all" people - similar to the X11, Python and revised BSD licenses. > > The OFL is a great license for "design" focused people who want to > contribute to free software in a simple way and ensure their artistic > integrity is protected. > > The GPLv3 with the font exception is a good license for "software > freedom" people who want to ensure that the font sources are available > for all versions. However, there isn't good FAQ style explanations for > the intricacies of this approach yet. the discussion about the font sources and the gpl is very interesting, i would think the concept of typography sources (or any artistic work) in a more comprehensive way that software sources, and continued availability of sources is very good idea for me too I think the fact that a OFL license is specially developed for typography is a really good thing. I mean that font designers I know will be happy if I say that the license is special for fonts, not software (they do not want to be considered as developers of a particular type of software..) i visited the unifont site, http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/, and it seems that there is a consensus behind the OFL license in the OpenFontLIbrary wiki mentions the open font licence in many places, but i dont know if a generic reference to any 'open font licence', or refers to SIL-OFL that is the reason for my question (and it is an excuse to intervene in the list!) thanks! > -- > Regards, > Dave > ___ > Openfontlibrary mailing list > Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary > ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Hi from argentina
El Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:43:02 +0100 Nicolas Spalinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > Hi, my name is Juan Suarez, i'm graphic designer from Argentina, i m > > active member of 'udgba' ( local graphic design union) and i'm free > > software movement 'activist', and linux user > > > > i will write about free software and typography topic, in a blog > > (in spanish) > > i want to know if any 'oficial position' of openfontlibrary about > > use of SIL-OFL license > > Are u recomended SIL-OFL to make contributions to openfontlibrary? > > > > sorry my i-tarzan-you-jane-english! i m a spanish speaker > > > > thanks! > > > Hola Juan, > > Looking forward to your articles on free software and typography :) > Let us know where and when you publish them. coming soon, I only propose to spread some topics like free font licensing, free software for designrs, free font movement, There is not much (spanish) information about that on internet > As for an official position of openfontlibrary, I guess we should set > this community voting system up someday... > > I'll let the others answer and simply point out that the current > hosting platform supports tagging your fonts as released under the > OFL and that there are currently about 20 fonts released under the > OFL published on the OFLB (openfontlibrary): > http://openfontlibrary.org/media/tags/OFL ok > BTW, seems like the next Debconf will happen in your corner of the > world. It sounds like a great opportunity to meet folks interested in > open fonts, collaborative font design and free software at this event. cool, I did not know! > > Cheers, > thanks ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] Hi from argentina
Hi, my name is Juan Suarez, i'm graphic designer from Argentina, i m active member of 'udgba' ( local graphic design union) and i'm free software movement 'activist', and linux user i will write about free software and typography topic, in a blog (in spanish) i want to know if any 'oficial position' of openfontlibrary about use of SIL-OFL license Are u recomended SIL-OFL to make contributions to openfontlibrary? sorry my i-tarzan-you-jane-english! i m a spanish speaker thanks! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
