Re: Tor Bundle vs. Vidalia Bundle
-Original Message- From: Justin Aplin To: or-talk@freehaven.net Sent: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Tor Bundle vs. Vidalia Bundle On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:14 AM, zzzjethro...@email2me.net wrote: hi. What is the difference between a Vidalia Bundle and a Tor Bundle, other than what I perceive as the obvious? One without the other? I thought they had to work together. What they "have" to do depends on what you're trying to do. The Tor program by itself does the legwork of building circuits and passing data to/from the network. It has no GUI and acts based on settings in the torrc text file. Tor is available on its own in the "Expert Packages" section of the download page, as the only people using Tor on its own are likely bridge, relay, and exit operators who know what they're doing. It's not a "bundle" per se. Vidalia is GUI program that interacts with Tor and makes its settings easier to handle, along with other nifty features such as viewing the network, logs, etc. The "Vidalia Bundle" on the download page is designed to be installed on a computer you'll be using Tor on regularly. That is, it isn't "portable", can't easily be carried with you on a USB key or CD, and doesn't come with an internet browser. The bundle includes Polipo, which makes funneling HTTP and SOCKS proxies into Tor easier and safer. The "Tor Browser Bundle" (the bundle I assume you're talking about in your post) is the same set of programs, together with a locked-down version of Firefox, that it designed to be completely portable. You don't have to install it, so it's easy to carry with you on a USB key or CD. Tor, Vidalia, Polipo, and the customized Firefox are all seamlessly started with a single button in this package. All of this information is available on the download pages and in the documentation, I'd recommend reading through them. ~Justin Aplin =Thanks Justin. Your explanation was very clear, and for someone like me, I need that. Perhaps you could write "directions" for others to use, as most I've read seem to be written only for the one writing them rather than thinking and writing for the one reading them! I do appreciate it and I will continue to read the documentation as per your suggestion. Sure would like to help a lot more people to use Tor. Adios
Re: tor-ramdisk 20101011 released for i686 only
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/2010 11:25 PM, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> On 10/11/2010 10:52 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone >>> >>> I want to announce to the list that a new release of tor-ramdisk is out. >>> Tor-ramdisk is an i686, x86_64 or MIPS uClibc-based micro Linux >>> distribution whose only purpose is to host a Tor server in an >>> environment that maximizes security and privacy. Security is enhenced by >>> hardening the kernel and binaries, and privacy is enhanced by forcing >>> logging to be off at all levels so that even the Tor operator only has >>> access to minimal information. Finally, since everything runs in >>> ephemeral memory, no information survives a reboot, except for the Tor >>> configuration file and the private RSA key, which may be >>> exported/imported by FTP. >>> >> >> Via FTP? It's probably not a good idea to export a private key without >> using encryption... >> >> All the best, >> Jake > > My first thought as well. Pretty much every protocol invented is > better than FTP, in this case and most other cases. > > Another question regarding the logging: I hope you include enough to > know if the node is working correctly or not. The logs that are > generated could also be deleted after a couple of minutes or an hour > as well, which might make it possible to log some more information if > necessary to verify functionality. > > Great project though, a lot of people request this. > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ Originally I thought of tor-ramdisk as only being accessed via FTP on a trusted LAN. However, several people have suggested using the image "in the cloud". I have plans on adding sftp. Also, you can enable logging to console for diagnostics. - -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D. Chair of Information Technology D'Youville College Buffalo, NY 14201 (716) 829-8197 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky3vpQACgkQl5yvQNBFVTXmAgCfc8NnqKGE0Ak+ZRR7cT7GIlT3 br8AoIL+YHoEX2lb57c0Jsyde+/KaiYt =afLg -END PGP SIGNATURE- *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Excessive scrubs
Upgrade Vidalia to 0.2.10 and the problem will go away. On 10/14/2010 6:20 PM, Jon wrote: Justin, The first of the scrubs have now showed for the past 4 hrs. Once an hour. It is now showing the address and it is the same address. It is a ' geoips vidalia ' address ( am not showing complete addy ). Apparently for some reason it is not resolving or connecting to address. I did attempt to try directly, with a couple of different ways and was not able to access the site. If you want the complete address, I will put in later. Will see if it is the only one that shows up over the next 12 hrs. Jon On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jon wrote: I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. Was Vidalia running when you edited the torrc? Vidalia (on Windows, at least) has a bad habit of overwriting changes to the torrc that it isn't aware of. Personally I think there should be a "Confirm before modifying torrc" checkbox in Vidalia. I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address that is being scrubbed. Try shutting down both Tor and Vidalia, making your edits, restarting both, and rechecking your torrc/logs. If you've done all this, please let us know. ~Justin Aplin *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Excessive scrubs
Justin, The first of the scrubs have now showed for the past 4 hrs. Once an hour. It is now showing the address and it is the same address. It is a ' geoips vidalia ' address ( am not showing complete addy ). Apparently for some reason it is not resolving or connecting to address. I did attempt to try directly, with a couple of different ways and was not able to access the site. If you want the complete address, I will put in later. Will see if it is the only one that shows up over the next 12 hrs. Jon On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: > On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jon wrote: > > >> I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops >> message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not >> removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I >> checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. > > Was Vidalia running when you edited the torrc? Vidalia (on Windows, at > least) has a bad habit of overwriting changes to the torrc that it isn't > aware of. Personally I think there should be a "Confirm before modifying > torrc" checkbox in Vidalia. > >> >> I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still >> show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' >> SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a >> minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address >> that is being scrubbed. > > Try shutting down both Tor and Vidalia, making your edits, restarting both, > and rechecking your torrc/logs. If you've done all this, please let us know. > > ~Justin Aplin > > >> >> OS is WIndows >> >> Jon >> >> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >> >> >> - >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, katmagic >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:20 -0500 >>> Jon wrote: >>> I saw a message from Tor-op in reference to a similar problem and his solution was: Add the below line to your torrc and the scrubbed will be replaced by the domain in question. SafeLogging 0 of which I tried, but it would not stay in the torrc file. It seems to remove it self at some point. As far as I can tell it never worked, but unknown how long after I placed it before it got removed. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jon wrote: > > I have noticed over the past 2 weeks, I have been getting an unusual > amount of scrubs. It doesn't tell me which addresses are being > scrubbed, so I don't know if they are the same or different ones. It > does not affect the operation of Tor. Just fills up the logs. > > Is there a way to have the '[scrubbed]' removed and the address put > in its place? > > Thanks, > > Jon > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >>> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >>> >>> -- >>> more than just a leitmotif >>> PGP Key ID: 33E22AB1 >>> >> *** >> To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >> unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >> > > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Thanks Justin, AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. I now see that some? posts (even for most recent reply date) don't seem to be in perfect date order. Not sure. Seems some w/ earlier dates are higher on list than some w/ later dates - even looking at the most recent reply date to that OP. Maybe I'm not seeing something showing a date really is later than another post's. Dunno. Looked at one post at top of list, & every reply - * seemed * all dates were older than this post & replies (which are a ways down from top). The Vidalia 0.2.2.17a pkg seems to be working OK for me ( in & of itself). Don't think any better speed-wise (for some things) than * when prev. ver. was working correctly * - but will have added security / bug fixes. Maybe the older ver on my PC had a corrupted file. I tested d/l speed of * a * file w/ Vidalia 0.2.2.17a - seems fine. But - for now - some pages seem to load much slower than before (approx same time as d/l speed of test file showed OK). Not sure why. Will continue to monitor. On 10/14/2010 10:47 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Welcome! Both original posts and replies can be sent to either address, they'll both go out to the list. When sending mail to either address, or-talk@freehaven.net gets added to the "Reply-To" header, so I suppose for ease of separation you could consider or-t...@seul.org to be your OP address and or-talk@freehaven.net to be your Reply address. This isn't necessary, however, as plenty of OPs come in through or-t...@freehaven.net. Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Let us know what you see. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. Tor speeds for me fluctuate wildly depending on the time of day, phase of the moon, will of the gods, etc. Let us know if this is constant after the further testing you mentioned above. ~Justin Aplin On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archive
Re: Excessive scrubs
Justin, Ok, I just checked the torrc file and my last entry was still there. I just updated the OS and rebooted and rechecked the file and nothing has been removed. Will see now on the new logs if it changes or if it still shows ' scrubbed ' . I will let you know within 24hrs either way. Jon On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: > On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jon wrote: > >> Yes, I did the save the file. This is a given, sorry. > > This may also be a given, but did you restart Tor after doing this? AFAIK > (and I may be wrong), Tor does not read changes made to the torrc after > initialization. > >> I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops >> message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not >> removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I >> checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. > > Was Vidalia running when you edited the torrc? Vidalia (on Windows, at > least) has a bad habit of overwriting changes to the torrc that it isn't > aware of. Personally I think there should be a "Confirm before modifying > torrc" checkbox in Vidalia. > >> >> I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still >> show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' >> SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a >> minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address >> that is being scrubbed. > > Try shutting down both Tor and Vidalia, making your edits, restarting both, > and rechecking your torrc/logs. If you've done all this, please let us know. > > ~Justin Aplin > > >> >> OS is WIndows >> >> Jon >> >> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >> >> >> - >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, katmagic >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:20 -0500 >>> Jon wrote: >>> I saw a message from Tor-op in reference to a similar problem and his solution was: Add the below line to your torrc and the scrubbed will be replaced by the domain in question. SafeLogging 0 of which I tried, but it would not stay in the torrc file. It seems to remove it self at some point. As far as I can tell it never worked, but unknown how long after I placed it before it got removed. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jon wrote: > > I have noticed over the past 2 weeks, I have been getting an unusual > amount of scrubs. It doesn't tell me which addresses are being > scrubbed, so I don't know if they are the same or different ones. It > does not affect the operation of Tor. Just fills up the logs. > > Is there a way to have the '[scrubbed]' removed and the address put > in its place? > > Thanks, > > Jon > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >>> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >>> >>> -- >>> more than just a leitmotif >>> PGP Key ID: 33E22AB1 >>> >> *** >> To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >> unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >> > > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Excessive scrubs
Ok, I just checked the torrc file and my last entry was still there. I updated the OS and rebooted and rechecked the file and nothing has been removed. Will see now on the new logs if it changes or if it still shows ' scrubbed ' Jon On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: > On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jon wrote: > >> Yes, I did the save the file. This is a given, sorry. > > This may also be a given, but did you restart Tor after doing this? AFAIK > (and I may be wrong), Tor does not read changes made to the torrc after > initialization. > >> I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops >> message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not >> removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I >> checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. > > Was Vidalia running when you edited the torrc? Vidalia (on Windows, at > least) has a bad habit of overwriting changes to the torrc that it isn't > aware of. Personally I think there should be a "Confirm before modifying > torrc" checkbox in Vidalia. > >> >> I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still >> show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' >> SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a >> minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address >> that is being scrubbed. > > Try shutting down both Tor and Vidalia, making your edits, restarting both, > and rechecking your torrc/logs. If you've done all this, please let us know. > > ~Justin Aplin > > >> >> OS is WIndows >> >> Jon >> >> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >> >> >> - >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, katmagic >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:20 -0500 >>> Jon wrote: >>> I saw a message from Tor-op in reference to a similar problem and his solution was: Add the below line to your torrc and the scrubbed will be replaced by the domain in question. SafeLogging 0 of which I tried, but it would not stay in the torrc file. It seems to remove it self at some point. As far as I can tell it never worked, but unknown how long after I placed it before it got removed. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jon wrote: > > I have noticed over the past 2 weeks, I have been getting an unusual > amount of scrubs. It doesn't tell me which addresses are being > scrubbed, so I don't know if they are the same or different ones. It > does not affect the operation of Tor. Just fills up the logs. > > Is there a way to have the '[scrubbed]' removed and the address put > in its place? > > Thanks, > > Jon > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >>> >>> What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was >>> there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something >>> else entirely? >>> >>> Also, which operating system are you using? >>> >>> -- >>> more than just a leitmotif >>> PGP Key ID: 33E22AB1 >>> >> *** >> To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >> unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ >> > > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Welcome! Both original posts and replies can be sent to either address, they'll both go out to the list. When sending mail to either address, or-talk@freehaven.net gets added to the "Reply-To" header, so I suppose for ease of separation you could consider or-t...@seul.org to be your OP address and or-talk@freehaven.net to be your Reply address. This isn't necessary, however, as plenty of OPs come in through or-t...@freehaven.net. Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Let us know what you see. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. Tor speeds for me fluctuate wildly depending on the time of day, phase of the moon, will of the gods, etc. Let us know if this is constant after the further testing you mentioned above. ~Justin Aplin On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor Bundle vs. Vidalia Bundle
On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:14 AM, zzzjethro...@email2me.net wrote: hi. What is the difference between a Vidalia Bundle and a Tor Bundle, other than what I perceive as the obvious? One without the other? I thought they had to work together. What they "have" to do depends on what you're trying to do. The Tor program by itself does the legwork of building circuits and passing data to/from the network. It has no GUI and acts based on settings in the torrc text file. Tor is available on its own in the "Expert Packages" section of the download page, as the only people using Tor on its own are likely bridge, relay, and exit operators who know what they're doing. It's not a "bundle" per se. Vidalia is GUI program that interacts with Tor and makes its settings easier to handle, along with other nifty features such as viewing the network, logs, etc. The "Vidalia Bundle" on the download page is designed to be installed on a computer you'll be using Tor on regularly. That is, it isn't "portable", can't easily be carried with you on a USB key or CD, and doesn't come with an internet browser. The bundle includes Polipo, which makes funneling HTTP and SOCKS proxies into Tor easier and safer. The "Tor Browser Bundle" (the bundle I assume you're talking about in your post) is the same set of programs, together with a locked-down version of Firefox, that it designed to be completely portable. You don't have to install it, so it's easy to carry with you on a USB key or CD. Tor, Vidalia, Polipo, and the customized Firefox are all seamlessly started with a single button in this package. All of this information is available on the download pages and in the documentation, I'd recommend reading through them. ~Justin Aplin
Re: checking new email on adium
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 01:46:08AM +, M wrote: > When Adium checks for new emails when an acct is routed thru tor.. will the > eail checking also be routed thru it, or will it use the global settings? That depends on Adium. I don't have any experience with it, so I guess your best bet is to test it yourself (wireshark helps). Regards, Simon -- + privacy is necessary + using gnupg http://gnupg.org + public key id: 0x92FEFDB7E44C32F9 pgpFWgzWJ5cR2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Excessive scrubs
On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Jon wrote: Yes, I did the save the file. This is a given, sorry. This may also be a given, but did you restart Tor after doing this? AFAIK (and I may be wrong), Tor does not read changes made to the torrc after initialization. I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. Was Vidalia running when you edited the torrc? Vidalia (on Windows, at least) has a bad habit of overwriting changes to the torrc that it isn't aware of. Personally I think there should be a "Confirm before modifying torrc" checkbox in Vidalia. I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address that is being scrubbed. Try shutting down both Tor and Vidalia, making your edits, restarting both, and rechecking your torrc/logs. If you've done all this, please let us know. ~Justin Aplin OS is WIndows Jon What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something else entirely? Also, which operating system are you using? - On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, katmagic wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:20 -0500 Jon wrote: I saw a message from Tor-op in reference to a similar problem and his solution was: Add the below line to your torrc and the scrubbed will be replaced by the domain in question. SafeLogging 0 of which I tried, but it would not stay in the torrc file. It seems to remove it self at some point. As far as I can tell it never worked, but unknown how long after I placed it before it got removed. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jon wrote: I have noticed over the past 2 weeks, I have been getting an unusual amount of scrubs. It doesn't tell me which addresses are being scrubbed, so I don't know if they are the same or different ones. It does not affect the operation of Tor. Just fills up the logs. Is there a way to have the '[scrubbed]' removed and the address put in its place? Thanks, Jon *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/ talk/ What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something else entirely? Also, which operating system are you using? -- more than just a leitmotif PGP Key ID: 33E22AB1 *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Tor Bundle vs. Vidalia Bundle
hi. What is the difference between a Vidalia Bundle and a Tor Bundle, other than what I perceive as the obvious? One without the other? I thought they had to work together. Oh, this learning curve!!! Infinity is just a mirror image of eternity. There's no place to go in a mirror.
NoScript in version 1.3.10
Hello all. I've used Tor since 2005. Started with Mac and virtually no problems as long as I use it out of the box. Of course, I have since learned only a little bit more, like configuring Firefox, disabling plug-ins and keeping out extensions. I did try NoScript for a while and didn't like it. Moved to Windows and use that mostly as the internet where I live is terrible. I go to internet cafes, all the computers are Windows, and the country in which I live blocks more sites than any other country. Now I've been told using a proxy here is illegal but I do anyway. Well, I recently downloaded and extracted the USB Vidalia/Tor bundle version 1.3.10. It came with NoScript. Is this correct? Well, Vidalia keeps crashing, usually won't open and when it does I get a Google captcha I cannot get past and have to start all over. When I finally get past it, Tor/Vidalia crashes so it's hard to see what is in the logs. I tried at first just to look at the Network View 'cuz it was taking so long to open Firefox once Tor was open, and that wouldn't work either and finally crashed Vidalia/Tor again. The options for NoScript are not really clear to me (I keep going over them though), and the icons don't seem to look the same as what is next to the Torbutton toggle and what it shows in the options window when clicked on. So, how do I disable or otherwise get rid of this NoScript, no want? Why, by the way, is this part of Tor now, rather than an option one can opt out of? I mean, is this supposed to be the new version and has anyone else had this sort of problem? I stopped using NoScript because I had found information that it could change settings in Privoxy I think, without a client knowing this, so I thought it prudent to be safe, rather than tricked up with bells and whistles like new and neat looking icons in my browser. Wish I knew someone in this country who really is a tech and knows Tor to learn from. Thanks for any help, words of advice or just some vice. That would be nice:)
Re: Excessive scrubs
Yes, I did the save the file. This is a given, sorry. I had added the ' SafeLogging 0 ' to the file as per Tor-ops message/reply. Twenty four hours later when I saw that it had not removed the ' scrubbed ' and replaced it with the node/address, I checked the file again and it was not in the file where I put it. I just checked it now, It is still in the file, but the logs still show the ' scubbed' and not the address as supposedly the ' SafeLogging 0 ' was to replace. Time wise it appears to be at a minimum of once an hour. Which makes me believe it is the same address that is being scrubbed. OS is WIndows Jon > What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was > there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something > else entirely? > > Also, which operating system are you using? - On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, katmagic wrote: > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:20 -0500 > Jon wrote: > >> I saw a message from Tor-op in reference to a similar problem and his >> solution was: >> >> Add the below line to your torrc and the scrubbed will be replaced by >> the domain in question. >> >> SafeLogging 0 >> >> of which I tried, but it would not stay in the torrc file. It seems to >> remove it self at some point. >> >> As far as I can tell it never worked, but unknown how long after I >> placed it before it got removed. >> >> Jon >> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jon wrote: >> > I have noticed over the past 2 weeks, I have been getting an unusual >> > amount of scrubs. It doesn't tell me which addresses are being >> > scrubbed, so I don't know if they are the same or different ones. It >> > does not affect the operation of Tor. Just fills up the logs. >> > >> > Is there a way to have the '[scrubbed]' removed and the address put >> > in its place? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jon >> > >> *** >> To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >> unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > > What do you mean by 'removed itself'? Was the file never saved, or was > there a point at which something else reverted it, or was it something > else entirely? > > Also, which operating system are you using? > > -- > more than just a leitmotif > PGP Key ID: 33E22AB1 > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Full bandwidth is not used.
Am Donnerstag, den 14.10.2010, 08:32 +0200 schrieb Timo Schoeler: > thus Paul Menzel spake: > > Am Mittwoch, den 13.10.2010, 10:31 -0400 schrieb Thomas S. Benjamin: > > > >> Is your relay running on a virtual machine (V-colo)? > > > > Yes, the relay is running on a virtual machine. > > > >> If so, check your user beancounters, they may show you which resources > >> are being exhausted. > > > > Xen is used. So I cannot check those entries, but according to the FAQ, > > this should not be a problem [1]. I also checked with `top` on Dom0 and > > DomU and the ressources are barley used. > > Xen doesn't use beancounters, they're used in OpenVZ, e.g. > > You should be able to find out lack of resources of your Dom0 and DomU > by using the 'usualy' utilities and `xentop', e.g. I did not know about `xentop`. Thank you! But it also show that not all resources are used. > >> Also, do you find any messages in your log? > > > > The log just contains the normal `[NOTICE]` messages. > > Maybe the problem resides outside of what he can see, maybe there's > traffic shaping/accounting with limiting after a certain useage taking > place? There is, but that limit has not been reached yet. Does anyone knowledgeable know, how I could trick the Tor rebalancing algorithms? Thanks, Paul > > [1] http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Mar-2010/msg00155.html > > [2] > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#CanIrunaTorrelayfrommyvirtualserveraccount signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
