Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-24 Thread Peter Pimley 

grarpamp wrote:

[...] they knew they had to find and use some special interface to
subscribe. So why in the world would they think unsubscribing is any
different having already learned the former.



The thing is, sending a message like the one we saw does, practically 
always, achieve the desired result.  Sometimes it leaves remaining 
subscribers discussing mailing list software and the like, but the main 
thing (from the unsubscriber's point of view) is that it does work.


If it doesn't work you just send another one.  Pretty soon you find 
yourself unsubscribed ;)

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Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-24 Thread Alexander Cherepanov 
Hi Roger!
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:34:19 -0400, Roger Dingledine  wrote:

> I just hacked^Wconfigured majordomo to put a footer on every mail to
> the list. We'll see if it works.

While you are at it maybe you can also fix something to eliminate 
duplicate mails in the list? Sometimes there are series of mails 
addressed like this:

  To: or-talk@freehaven.net
  Cc: or-t...@seul.org

which go through the list twice.

When subscribing everything talks about seul.org, e.g. majordomo is at 
seul.org and confirmation mail reads:

  Someone (possibly you) has requested that your email address be added
  to or deleted from the mailing list "or-t...@seul.org".
   

But then mails from the list contain:

  Reply-To: or-talk@freehaven.net

Maybe just replace or-talk@freehaven.net by or-t...@seul.org here?

Alexander Cherepanov



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Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread grarpamp 
> Gone are the days where people ... reliably know what email headers are. :)

That I can excuse as part of the mass gui 2.0 effect. What baffles me
is that they knew they had to find and use some special interface to
subscribe. So why in the world would they think unsubscribing is any
different having already learned the former.

But hey, why knock on too hard, after all, this type of user generates
lots of free chaff for those who need it ;)
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Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread László Monda 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Roger Dingledine  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:28:32PM -0600, Jim McClanahan wrote:
>> Having seen this situation on this list multiple times, it occurs to me
>> that beyond "To", "From", and "Date", many people have probably never
>> seen the headers.  Most non-techies probably don't even know it exists.
>> I believe most GUI mail clients, by default, only show the abbreviated
>> version I just mentioned.  I know mine does.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is, but I thought I would throw this out
>> there for people's consideration.
>
> Yep. Gone are the days where people on this list reliably know what
> email headers are. :)
>
> I just hacked^Wconfigured majordomo to put a footer on every mail to
> the list. We'll see if it works.

I don't understand why majordomo is used nowadays.  Mailman is so much
simpler and more intuitive to use.

>
> Thanks,
> --Roger
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Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread Roger Dingledine 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:28:32PM -0600, Jim McClanahan wrote:
> Having seen this situation on this list multiple times, it occurs to me
> that beyond "To", "From", and "Date", many people have probably never
> seen the headers.  Most non-techies probably don't even know it exists.
> I believe most GUI mail clients, by default, only show the abbreviated
> version I just mentioned.  I know mine does.
> 
> I don't know what the solution is, but I thought I would throw this out
> there for people's consideration.

Yep. Gone are the days where people on this list reliably know what
email headers are. :)

I just hacked^Wconfigured majordomo to put a footer on every mail to
the list. We'll see if it works.

Thanks,
--Roger

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Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread krishna e bera 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:28:32PM -0600, Jim McClanahan wrote:
> Having seen this situation on this list multiple times, it occurs to me
> that beyond "To", "From", and "Date", many people have probably never
> seen the headers.  Most non-techies probably don't even know it exists.
> I believe most GUI mail clients, by default, only show the abbreviated
> version I just mentioned.  I know mine does.


alternatively, majordomo v1 has a configuration option 
to bounce messages with such words in the subject or first few lines
to the list manager as administrative requests.

Re: [OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread Jim McClanahan 
downie - wrote:
> 
> You have to send to a different address. Instructions [to unsubscribe]
> are in the headers.

Having seen this situation on this list multiple times, it occurs to me
that beyond "To", "From", and "Date", many people have probably never
seen the headers.  Most non-techies probably don't even know it exists.
I believe most GUI mail clients, by default, only show the abbreviated
version I just mentioned.  I know mine does.

I don't know what the solution is, but I thought I would throw this out
there for people's consideration.

Jim

[OT]RE: Unsubscribe

2009-09-23 Thread downie - 

You have to send to a different address. Instructions are in the headers.
> Subject: Unsubscribe
> From: tim...@gmail.com
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:07:45 +0200
> 
> Unsubscribe
> 
> 
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[OT]RE: unsubscribe or-talk

2009-08-10 Thread downie - 

'It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness.' - Anon

> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:17:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: unsubscribe or-talk
> From: en.wp.s...@gmail.com
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> 
> As was noted the last ten times (by my count) someone did this, and as
> you were told when you registered, and as you are told in every email
> sent by this list, and just like any other mailing list using this
> software, of which there are a great many, your message says this:
> 
> >Subject: unsubscribe or-talk
> 
> and a few lines later,
> 
> >X-To-Get-Off-This-List: mail majord...@seul.org, body unsubscribe or-talk
> 
> Apparently, the illiterate still manage to learn how to subscribe
> to mailing lists (perhaps their kids show them how?), though to what
> purpose is anyone's guess.
> 
 
> DCollins/ST47

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