Re: Drop Tor users via bridges by over 2/3 in the beginning of March (was: Tor in China)
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:31:06 -0500, Flamsmark wrote: :At the beginning of March, the great firewall of China blocked all (then) :known tor exits and relays, and a substantial number of bridges - presumably :enumerated over a prior, somewhat extended period. This is our working theory as well. Pending research involves which set of bridges were blocked; website, email, twitter/qq account, or all of them. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://www.torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Drop Tor users via bridges by over 2/3 in the beginning of March (was: Tor in China)
On 10 March 2010 07:42, Paul Menzel wrote: > So my next question is, why did the users count drop that much in the > beginning of March? > At the beginning of March, the great firewall of China blocked all (then) known tor exits and relays, and a substantial number of bridges - presumably enumerated over a prior, somewhat extended period.
Drop Tor users via bridges by over 2/3 in the beginning of March (was: Tor in China)
Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 13:27 +0100 schrieb Karsten Loesing: […] > I figured out the problem. The metrics portal had the bridge user > numbers from 2009-11-30 to 2010-01-05 imported twice. This affected all > countries, but was simply most visible for Chinese bridge users. I > removed those days from the stats and imported the descriptors again. > > The corrected graphs can be found on the graphs page: > > http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china So my next question is, why did the users count drop that much in the beginning of March? […] Thanks, Paul signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Tor in China
On 2/19/10 7:13 PM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > On 2/19/10 5:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: >> On 02/19/2010 05:20 AM, onion.s...@nym.hush.com wrote: >>> http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china >>> >>> if there is no clear explanation account for the doubling of the >>> usage figure in the whole December, i would speculate that this is >>> an error in the estimation. could anyone confirm this? >> >> The best person to answer this is Karsten, and he's currently traveling. >> We await his answer. > > That's a fine question. It's already on my list. I'll let you know as > soon as I have a better answer than "probably something wrong with the > measurements." I figured out the problem. The metrics portal had the bridge user numbers from 2009-11-30 to 2010-01-05 imported twice. This affected all countries, but was simply most visible for Chinese bridge users. I removed those days from the stats and imported the descriptors again. The corrected graphs can be found on the graphs page: http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china For reference, here is one of the old graphs: http://freehaven.net/~karsten/volatile/china-bridges-180d-bug-2010-03-10.png Thanks for letting us know! --Karsten *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
On 2/19/10 5:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On 02/19/2010 05:20 AM, onion.s...@nym.hush.com wrote: >> http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china >> >> if there is no clear explanation account for the doubling of the >> usage figure in the whole December, i would speculate that this is >> an error in the estimation. could anyone confirm this? > > The best person to answer this is Karsten, and he's currently traveling. > We await his answer. That's a fine question. It's already on my list. I'll let you know as soon as I have a better answer than "probably something wrong with the measurements." --Karsten *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
On 02/19/2010 05:20 AM, onion.s...@nym.hush.com wrote: > http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china > > if there is no clear explanation account for the doubling of the > usage figure in the whole December, i would speculate that this is > an error in the estimation. could anyone confirm this? The best person to answer this is Karsten, and he's currently traveling. We await his answer. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china if there is no clear explanation account for the doubling of the usage figure in the whole December, i would speculate that this is an error in the estimation. could anyone confirm this? On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:26:22 +0800 onion.s...@nym.hush.com wrote: >http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china > >The figure almost doubles in the whole December. These extra >usages >disappears after that. Does anyone know what happens? > >On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:11:16 +0800 Runa Sandvik > wrote: >>On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Curious Kid >> wrote: >>>> From: Jon >>> >>>> To: or-talk@freehaven.net >>>> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:10:16 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Tor in China >>>> >>>> Am not sure if they are still blocking, but I presume there >are >>some >>>> blocks still on, as the bridge usage is very high for users >>from >>>> there. >>> >>> Are you talking about who uses a bridge you operate? I hope >>there is not a way for people to know who uses bridges in >general. >> >>There is an estimate of the number of Chinese Tor users via >>bridges: >>http://metrics.torproject.org/graphs.html#bridgeusers >> >>-- >>Runa Sandvik >>** >* >> >>To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >>unsubscribe or-talkin the body. >>http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > >*** > >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >unsubscribe or-talkin the body. >http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
http://metrics.torproject.org/bridge-users-graphs.html#china The figure almost doubles in the whole December. These extra usages disappears after that. Does anyone know what happens? On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:11:16 +0800 Runa Sandvik wrote: >On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Curious Kid > wrote: >>> From: Jon >> >>> To: or-talk@freehaven.net >>> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:10:16 AM >>> Subject: Re: Tor in China >>> >>> Am not sure if they are still blocking, but I presume there are >some >>> blocks still on, as the bridge usage is very high for users >from >>> there. >> >> Are you talking about who uses a bridge you operate? I hope >there is not a way for people to know who uses bridges in general. > >There is an estimate of the number of Chinese Tor users via >bridges: >http://metrics.torproject.org/graphs.html#bridgeusers > >-- >Runa Sandvik >*** > >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with >unsubscribe or-talkin the body. >http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Curious Kid wrote: >> From: Jon > >> To: or-talk@freehaven.net >> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:10:16 AM >> Subject: Re: Tor in China >> >> Am not sure if they are still blocking, but I presume there are some >> blocks still on, as the bridge usage is very high for users from >> there. > > Are you talking about who uses a bridge you operate? I hope there is not a > way for people to know who uses bridges in general. There is an estimate of the number of Chinese Tor users via bridges: http://metrics.torproject.org/graphs.html#bridgeusers -- Runa Sandvik *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
> From: Jon > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:10:16 AM > Subject: Re: Tor in China > > Am not sure if they are still blocking, but I presume there are some > blocks still on, as the bridge usage is very high for users from > there. Are you talking about who uses a bridge you operate? I hope there is not a way for people to know who uses bridges in general. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
On 02/09/2010 07:36 PM, onion.s...@nym.hush.com wrote: > Does anyone know if China is currently blocking Tor? Does the > situation described below persist? > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/picturing-tor-censorship-in-china > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-partially-blocked-china Yes. China is still blocking public Tor relays by IP address and tcp port combination. It seems the censorship apparatus is updated quarterly. Non-public relays, or bridges, seem to work fine. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor in China
Am not sure if they are still blocking, but I presume there are some blocks still on, as the bridge usage is very high for users from there. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM, wrote: > Does anyone know if China is currently blocking Tor? Does the > situation described below persist? > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/picturing-tor-censorship-in-china > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-partially-blocked-china > > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Tor in China
Does anyone know if China is currently blocking Tor? Does the situation described below persist? https://blog.torproject.org/blog/picturing-tor-censorship-in-china https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-partially-blocked-china *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
