RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-10 Thread Cary Millsap
I stand corrected: tracing probably won't work because the cr and cu
values would wrap.

Just kidding. :)

BEFORE YOU TRY disabling indexes (or anything else for that matter), I
strongly advise you to trace the program so you can see where it spends
its time. Even if you have guessed the solution correctly, tracing will
provide the enormous value of allowing you to quantify exactly how much
ground you will have gained.

Then there's always the chance that you haven't guessed the solution
correctly, in which case you'll need the trace data to help you divine
the actual right solution.


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HI  ,

I have noticed that both deleting and inserting is too slow (about five
hours  to insert 4  rows ),
this may be because i have  more than  40  INDEX ON THIS TWO tables,I
will
try to disable them before i run my insert statement .

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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-10 Thread Rich Gesler
You may also want to check for any triggers tied to these tables as well...

Rich

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HI  ,

I have noticed that both deleting and inserting is too slow (about five
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this may be because i have  more than  40  INDEX ON THIS TWO tables,I will
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Thanks,
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DB Parameters

2003-10-10 Thread Walid Alkaakati
HI  ,

I have noticed that both deleting and inserting is too slow (about five
hours  to insert 4  rows ),
this may be because i have  more than  40  INDEX ON THIS TWO tables,I will
try to disable them before i run my insert statement .

Thanks,
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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Guang Mei
Does the table you are deleting has any child table(s)? If yes, then are the
foreign keys in the child table(s) indexed?

Guang

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I was tempted to point to the /*+ _try_harder */ hint (revealed by Jonathan
Lewis at this year's IOUG), but that won't be available until Oracle 10.
Until then we have to use the old methods of identifying where the time is
spent and figure out what can be done to eliminate as much of it as
possible.

I have seen deletes take a long time if the table was heavily indexed.
Removing the indexes before the delete and rebuilding afterwards was the
solution there.

At 02:29 AM 10/9/2003, you wrote:
>Hi  List ,
>
>Can you  help me please ,
>
>What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
>order to increase the speed of my ddl
>statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
>takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!
>
>Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
>rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
>Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Cary Millsap
Walid,

It's unlikely that a database parameter will provide the solution to
your problem.

Trace the DELETE if you can (DBMS_SUPPORT.START_TRACE_IN_SESSION), to
see what's taking so long. Odds are that your DELETE is poorly optimized
SQL that's simply doing more work than it needs to be doing. BUT FIND
OUT BEFORE YOU ASSUME THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

If you find that your DELETE is consuming massive amounts of CPU service
or OS read time, then take the query part of your DELETE out of your
DELETE statement, and work with it until you get a decent execution
plan. For example, if your statement were:

DELETE FROM table
WHERE predicate-list

...then focus on optimizing the query

SELECT rowid FROM table
WHERE predicate-list

At this point, it's a standard SQL optimization exercise. The tools at
your disposal include, but are not restricted to:

- Can you use TRUNCATE to produce a functionally correct end-state?
- Are the statistics on your table reasonable?
- Does your SQL use all the join conditions that are necessary to allow
the Oracle Query Optimizer to do its job of finding the best plan?
- Does your table have all the check constraints on it that the Oracle
Query Optimizer needs to do its job of finding the best plan?
- Do the indexes exist that the Oracle Query Optimizer needs to do its
job of finding the best plan?
- Can you eliminate unnecessary indexes without harming other SQL
statements?
- And so on...

As a last resort, you might consider using hints upon the SQL to coax
the optimizer into using the plan you want, but I would advise doing
this only in unusual circumstances. If all your other work is done
properly, then I would submit that it's usually a good idea to eliminate
hints from your SQL.


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-Original Message-
Walid Alkaakati
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:29 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but
it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check
??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

Thanks for  your help.


Bye.

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Re: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
I was tempted to point to the /*+ _try_harder */ hint (revealed by Jonathan 
Lewis at this year's IOUG), but that won't be available until Oracle 10.
Until then we have to use the old methods of identifying where the time is 
spent and figure out what can be done to eliminate as much of it as possible.

I have seen deletes take a long time if the table was heavily indexed. 
Removing the indexes before the delete and rebuilding afterwards was the 
solution there.

At 02:29 AM 10/9/2003, you wrote:
Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!
Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
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Re: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
You can try with the _db_perf_silver_bullet=42, which is the
straightforward approach, or you can be a backward hick like me
and trace your session with 10046, see what events are you waiting for
and adjust your application, OS and instance parameters to really solve
the problem.
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 04:29, Walid Alkaakati wrote:
> Hi  List ,
> 
> Can you  help me please ,
> 
> What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
> order to increase the speed of my ddl
> statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
> takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!
> 
> Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
> rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
> Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .
> 
> Thanks for  your help.
> 
> 
> Bye.
> 
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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
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Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

Thanks for  your help.


Bye.

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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Henry Poras
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Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

Thanks for  your help.


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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
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TRUNCATE

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Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

Thanks for  your help.


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Re Db Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Walid Alkaakati
Hi

Can You please give an example  on using bund varables ..
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Re: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread ManojKr Jha

Hi,

What is volume of ur table, and 4 records that u want to delete is what
% of total records.
One thing that u can try is introduce index hint in delete statement. The
optimal solution can be find out only if know exact statement and volume of
tables and indexes.
Also can u check the size of tablespace used by this table? And calculate
the total size this table should use with current volume of records.


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Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
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RE: DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Sinardy Xing
use bind variable

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Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
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DB Parameters

2003-10-09 Thread Walid Alkaakati
Hi  List ,

Can you  help me please ,

What  are the database parameters that i have to increase or modify in
order to increase the speed of my ddl
statments ,i have a  statment  that delete a table with 4 record but it
takes about  nine hours to accomplish !!!

Is their   any parameters on the server  that i have to check ??,Increase
rollback segment is not helpfull at all .
Iam runningoracle  9.2.0.1.0  production .

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