RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
> The Linux kernel is totally different, though you will find > some code in it that is from System 4 UNIX. And maybe even from SCO Niall -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Apart form all the others you've already heard about, Fujitsu and some of their subsidiaries also have their own Unix flavour. I believe Unisys and NCR also have their own. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:19 AM > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and Solaris. who else is > out there? > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Hi! Mac OS X has modified mach microkernel, FreeBSD userspace, FreeBSD & NetBSD drivers and Aqua user interface. from http://developer.apple.com/darwin "Beneath the appealing, easy-to-use interface of Mac OS X is a rock-solid foundation that is engineered for stability, reliability, and performance. This foundation is a core operating system commonly known as Darwin. Darwin integrates a number of technologies, most importantly Mach 3.0, operating-system services based on 4.4BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution), high-performance networking facilities, and support for multiple integrated file systems." Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:19 AM > Define "based"? > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Tanel Poder > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > AFAIK, Apples unix is based on [Open|Free]BSD as well. > > Tanel. > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Define "based"? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Tanel Poder Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L AFAIK, Apples unix is based on [Open|Free]BSD as well. Tanel. Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
AFAIK, Apples unix is based on [Open|Free]BSD as well. Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:24 PM > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, > NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in > Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, > which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had thought > IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in favor of Linux. > This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing install base of AIX > precludes that. But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, > I'd still wager money that its going to happen. :) > > Thanks, > Matt > > > -- > Matthew Zito > GridApp Systems > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cell: 646-220-3551 > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > http://www.gridapp.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > which works really > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Matthew Zito > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Liunx was initially meant to be a posix standard and minix compatible OS running on 386 for hackers and computer enthusiasts. Even Linus himself didn't predict it's growth and current status at first. At first it wasn't even completely independent, it used minix formatted filesystems etc.. But eventually it become clear that in order to evolve, the compatibility with minix had to be dropped. That was a good decision indeed. Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:39 PM > i thought linux was just unix designed to run on a PC. how different is the kernel? > > > > From: "Matthew Zito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 01:24:26 EDT > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, > > NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in > > Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, > > which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had thought > > IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in favor of Linux. > > This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing install base of AIX > > precludes that. But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, > > I'd still wager money that its going to happen. :) > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Zito > > GridApp Systems > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cell: 646-220-3551 > > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > > http://www.gridapp.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > > which works really > > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > > > -- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > -
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
linux from unix? > > From: "Mladen Gogala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 02:34:28 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > Different from what? It's very different from NT kernel. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > i thought linux was just unix designed to run on a PC. how different is the > kernel? > > > > From: "Matthew Zito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 01:24:26 EDT > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, > > FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can > > run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). > > And there's OS X, which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had > > thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in > > favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing > > install base of AIX precludes that. But, eventually... And if I > > imagined that announcement, I'd still wager money that its going to > > happen. :) > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Zito > > GridApp Systems > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cell: 646-220-3551 > > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > > http://www.gridapp.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > > which works really > > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > > > -- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > ---
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Different from what? It's very different from NT kernel. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L i thought linux was just unix designed to run on a PC. how different is the kernel? > > From: "Matthew Zito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 01:24:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, > FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can > run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). > And there's OS X, which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had > thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in > favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing > install base of AIX precludes that. But, eventually... And if I > imagined that announcement, I'd still wager money that its going to > happen. :) > > Thanks, > Matt > > > -- > Matthew Zito > GridApp Systems > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cell: 646-220-3551 > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > http://www.gridapp.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > which works really > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Matthew Zito > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > ---
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
The SCO Linux litigation that is raging right now is such a nightmare of FUD and absurd legal process. For starters, SCO's UNIX implementation is dead in the water - not only was it the worst UNIX I've ever worked with, but even SCO has no plans to aggresively continue development on it. Only the Linux stuff is even moving forward, and that's all about the legal issues going on now. The issue at question is SCO's ownership of the original AT&T UNIX copyright and licensing. SCO is claiming several things, the core bits being that its "proprietary" code has made its way into Linux in violation of its licensing agreement with IBM. IBM, for their part, claims that the suit is invalid on its face and is countersuing. SCO yanked IBM's license to distribute UNIX, which IBM claims is not even possible. The lawyers are hard at work. As best as anyone has been able to determine, all of the code SCO has revealed as being in question was licensed freely to the community by Caldera before Caldera's acquisition/merger with SCO. Beyond that, some of the disputed code dates back to System 4 UNIX and is available in USENET archives - hardly very proprietary. While IANAL, I would be shocked if SCO won any piece of this litigation. It appears as though SCO expected to get settlements out of IBM and other major players, and instead is going to get destroyed in court by IBM. Remember, IBM fought the US Government in court and actually wore them down (the example I keep hearing is the brief IBM filed that was 4 filing cabinets in size and took two years for the government to read - possibly apocryphal). SCO should lose, and good riddance to them. *climbs off his soapbox* Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > AIX phased out in favor of Linux? I believe that SCO asked > for injunction to prevent IBM from distributing AIX, and > there is a whole saga around SCO and Linux. According to some, > Unix variants are like higlanders: there can be only one. If > you ask Mr. Darl McBride, > it's going to be SCO. Hopefully, MR. McBride will not lose his head. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Matthew Zito > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs > (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run > Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - > which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, which is > Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but > I had thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be > phased out in favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, > obviously the existing install base of AIX precludes that. > But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, I'd > still wager money that its going to happen. :) > > Thanks, > Matt > > > -- > Matthew Zito > GridApp Systems > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cell: 646-220-3551 > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > http://www.gridapp.com > > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > > Of Mladen Gogala > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > which works > > really well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP > and Solaris. > > who else is out there? > > &g
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
The Linux kernel is totally different, though you will find some code in it that is from System 4 UNIX. Linux is technically not a UNIX, thought it looks and feels and acts like one. It's also worth noting that all of the UNIXes have, at this point, significant differences in terms of their internals. There's even two whole styles of UNIX - System V and BSD with entirely different core codebases. Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > i thought linux was just unix designed to run on a PC. how > different is the kernel? > > > > From: "Matthew Zito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 01:24:26 EDT > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, > > FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle > (FreeBSD can > > run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards > at best). > > And there's OS X, which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had > > thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be > phased out in > > favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, obviously > the existing > > install base of AIX precludes that. But, eventually... And if I > > imagined that announcement, I'd still wager money that its going to > > happen. :) > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Zito > > GridApp Systems > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cell: 646-220-3551 > > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > > http://www.gridapp.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > > which works really > > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > > > -- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net &
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > AIX phased out in favor of Linux? I believe that SCO asked for > injunction to prevent IBM > from distributing AIX, and there is a whole saga around SCO and Linux. > According to some, > Unix variants are like higlanders: there can be only one. If you ask > Mr. Darl McBride, > it's going to be SCO. Hopefully, MR. McBride will not lose his head. hopefully he will.;-) -- Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] All our wanting comes from needs, thus we continiously suffer. The intellect teaches free will, free from suffering. - Arthur Schopenhauer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
AIX phased out in favor of Linux? I believe that SCO asked for injunction to prevent IBM from distributing AIX, and there is a whole saga around SCO and Linux. According to some, Unix variants are like higlanders: there can be only one. If you ask Mr. Darl McBride, it's going to be SCO. Hopefully, MR. McBride will not lose his head. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Matthew Zito Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing install base of AIX precludes that. But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, I'd still wager money that its going to happen. :) Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > which works really > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or los
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i thought linux was just unix designed to run on a PC. how different is the kernel? > > From: "Matthew Zito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue PM 01:24:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, > NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in > Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, > which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. > > As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had thought > IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in favor of Linux. > This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing install base of AIX > precludes that. But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, > I'd still wager money that its going to happen. :) > > Thanks, > Matt > > > -- > Matthew Zito > GridApp Systems > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cell: 646-220-3551 > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > http://www.gridapp.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > > which works really > > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Matthew Zito > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, incl
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
And of course, there's the other free UNIXes - the BSDs (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD). Tragically, none of these run Oracle (FreeBSD can run Oracle in Linux emulation mode - which seems backwards at best). And there's OS X, which is Apple's UNIX, and also runs Oracle. As far as AIX, I couldn't find an article to verify this, but I had thought IBM had announced that AIX would eventually be phased out in favor of Linux. This is not a short-term plan, obviously the existing install base of AIX precludes that. But, eventually... And if I imagined that announcement, I'd still wager money that its going to happen. :) Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > > Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix > which works really > well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix > will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then > there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix > versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some > more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and > alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > so different flavors of linux are more compatible? > > i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and > Solaris. who else is out there? > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in > this message are those of the individual sender, except where > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > state them to be the views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Well, IBM has AIX, a very solid and stable version of unix which works really well. SCO has become very popular lately and using SCO Unix will turn you into the most popular guy on this list. Then there is Irix, made by SGI. HP actually has several unix versions Tru64, HP-UX, Tandem Unix, Ultrix, Apollo Unix and some more exotic operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE, Guardian and alike. If you go with HP, I do advise you to stick with HP-UX. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L so different flavors of linux are more compatible? i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and Solaris. who else is out there? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OT - Linux books ??
Solaris simply requires you to quote your translates
tr '[A-B]' '[a-b]'
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:10 AM
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what got me for about 2 hours recently was the standard:
tr [A-B] [a-b],(it just means make everything upper case, now lower cass,
its a LOWER function in SQL) thats even in the oreilly korn shell book.
no solaris has to get cute and make you do:
tr [:upper:] {:lower:]
what i mean by that is such things as monitoring I/O, etc... Systems Admin
and DBA work overlaps. is it alot different on different unix systems?
>
> From: Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 09:44:33 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - Linux books ??
>
> administering oracle is not really an issue cause sql*plus is sql*plus
> regardless, now from the OS side, Solaris can be a pain to bring scripts
> from other *nixes over to the sun world. I've written scripts that work
> flawlessly on linux, port to HP, port to AIX all w/NO changes, move to
> sun and have to tweak things.
>
> and ONLY sun put oratab in /var/opt/oracle instead of /etc :)
>
> joe
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >how different is it to administer oracle on different flavors of unix? Im
running into some annoying nuassances in syntax between solaris korn shell
and hp-unix korn shell.
> >
> >is it just little syntax differences or is there alot more to it?
> >
> >
> >>From: Dwayne Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 08:54:29 EDT
> >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: OT - Linux books ??
> >>
> >>Both are good but the second on your list is particularly useful for
> >>admin work. In my opinion, the first is more of a getting your feet wet
> >>kinda book but still useful as a reference.
> >>
> >>Dwayne
> >>
> >>
> >>Prem Khanna J wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Guys,
> >>>
> >>>...thought of buying a good book for linux system administration.
> >>>i came across the books below.
> >>>which one is good ?
> >>>
> >>>1.Running Linux From O'Reilly
> >>> - By Matt Welsh, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer, Terry Dawson, Lar Kaufman
> >>>
> >>>2.Linux Administration Handbook From Prentice Hall
> >>> - By Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent Hein
> >>>
> >>>...any better suggestion Gurus ??
> >>>
> >>>TIA.
> >>>Jp.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
so different flavors of linux are more compatible? i thought the only two unix players out there now are HP and Solaris. who else is out there? so is going between unix flavors like going between databases? > > From: "Nuno Souto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 09:59:33 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > - Original Message - > > > how different is it to administer oracle on different flavors of unix? Im running > > into some annoying nuassances in > syntax between solaris korn shell and hp-unix korn shell. > > > > is it just little syntax differences or is there alot more to it? > > > > > You sure it's HP korn-shell? The default shell looks like korn, > but it isn't. Looks like bourne as well, but again: it isn't. > It is indeed the Posix shell, which is about right between > the other 2. > > The only shell I've always found is reliable is the old > bourne shell. Just about the same everywhere. Once again, > the default HP one is NOT the bourne shell even though it > is called "sh". Of course you lose the niceties of command > history and such, but if you're writing admin scripts what > the heck do you need history for? > > Let's not touch the C-shell... > > As for administration of Unix itself: yikes! Depends > which was the original Unix flavour: AT&T System V > or Berkeley BSD. SunOS was mostly BSD, Solaris got > a lot of SystemV in it. HP was mostly BSD, but it got > a lot of the SV stuff into it until HP decided to become > Posix-compliant. Since then, it's been potluck. > > This basically means that features will be very much the same > in principle, but located in different directory structures, > used with different utilities, and have slightly different > parameters. > > Welcome to the joys of Unix incompatibility with itself. > No wonder people are going Linux. > Oh! Hang-on a tick... > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Nuno Souto > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
what got me for about 2 hours recently was the standard:
tr [A-B] [a-b],(it just means make everything upper case, now lower cass, its a LOWER
function in SQL) thats even in the oreilly korn shell book.
no solaris has to get cute and make you do:
tr [:upper:] {:lower:]
what i mean by that is such things as monitoring I/O, etc... Systems Admin and DBA
work overlaps. is it alot different on different unix systems?
>
> From: Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 09:44:33 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - Linux books ??
>
> administering oracle is not really an issue cause sql*plus is sql*plus
> regardless, now from the OS side, Solaris can be a pain to bring scripts
> from other *nixes over to the sun world. I've written scripts that work
> flawlessly on linux, port to HP, port to AIX all w/NO changes, move to
> sun and have to tweak things.
>
> and ONLY sun put oratab in /var/opt/oracle instead of /etc :)
>
> joe
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >how different is it to administer oracle on different flavors of unix? Im running
> >into some annoying nuassances in syntax between solaris korn shell and hp-unix korn
> >shell.
> >
> >is it just little syntax differences or is there alot more to it?
> >
> >
> >>From: Dwayne Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 08:54:29 EDT
> >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: OT - Linux books ??
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> >>Both are good but the second on your list is particularly useful for
> >>admin work. In my opinion, the first is more of a getting your feet wet
> >>kinda book but still useful as a reference.
> >>
> >>Dwayne
> >>
> >>
> >>Prem Khanna J wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Guys,
> >>>
> >>>...thought of buying a good book for linux system administration.
> >>>i came across the books below.
> >>>which one is good ?
> >>>
> >>>1.Running Linux From O'Reilly
> >>> - By Matt Welsh, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer, Terry Dawson, Lar Kaufman
> >>>
> >>>2.Linux Administration Handbook From Prentice Hall
> >>> - By Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent Hein
> >>>
> >>>...any better suggestion Gurus ??
> >>>
> >>>TIA.
> >>>Jp.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
- Original Message - > how different is it to administer oracle on different flavors of unix? Im running > into some annoying nuassances in syntax between solaris korn shell and hp-unix korn shell. > > is it just little syntax differences or is there alot more to it? > > You sure it's HP korn-shell? The default shell looks like korn, but it isn't. Looks like bourne as well, but again: it isn't. It is indeed the Posix shell, which is about right between the other 2. The only shell I've always found is reliable is the old bourne shell. Just about the same everywhere. Once again, the default HP one is NOT the bourne shell even though it is called "sh". Of course you lose the niceties of command history and such, but if you're writing admin scripts what the heck do you need history for? Let's not touch the C-shell... As for administration of Unix itself: yikes! Depends which was the original Unix flavour: AT&T System V or Berkeley BSD. SunOS was mostly BSD, Solaris got a lot of SystemV in it. HP was mostly BSD, but it got a lot of the SV stuff into it until HP decided to become Posix-compliant. Since then, it's been potluck. This basically means that features will be very much the same in principle, but located in different directory structures, used with different utilities, and have slightly different parameters. Welcome to the joys of Unix incompatibility with itself. No wonder people are going Linux. Oh! Hang-on a tick... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OT - Linux books ??
how different is it to administer oracle on different flavors of unix? Im running into some annoying nuassances in syntax between solaris korn shell and hp-unix korn shell. is it just little syntax differences or is there alot more to it? > > From: Dwayne Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 08:54:29 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT - Linux books ?? > > Both are good but the second on your list is particularly useful for > admin work. In my opinion, the first is more of a getting your feet wet > kinda book but still useful as a reference. > > Dwayne > > > Prem Khanna J wrote: > > Guys, > > > > ...thought of buying a good book for linux system administration. > > i came across the books below. > > which one is good ? > > > > 1.Running Linux From O'Reilly > > - By Matt Welsh, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer, Terry Dawson, Lar Kaufman > > > > 2.Linux Administration Handbook From Prentice Hall > > - By Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent Hein > > > > ...any better suggestion Gurus ?? > > > > TIA. > > Jp. > > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Dwayne Cox > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
