[OGD] Corrections needed

2004-12-03 Thread Peter O'Byrne
Trust Dennis to misconstrue the obvious. His OGD V6 #19 statement about me:

Peter .. implies that reading an article in
the library is bootlegging, or borrowing a journal from a friend.

is complete twaddle (see ... I'm being unusually polite). Perhaps
Dennis the Menace would oblige us all and substantiate his posting by
pointing out where I mentioned reading an article in a library, or
borrowing a journal.

No ??? Cannot  Oh, dearie me. Dennis, you're talking through your
rear orifice.

Peter O'Byrne
Singapore, where 3 different versions of English dictionary define
bootleg as: To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or
illegally, which is a precise description  of the suggestion that
started the whole thread.

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[OGD] Threatening orchid in the UK...

2004-12-03 Thread viateur . boutot
news story :
RARE ORCHID MAY BE A THREAT TO GATEWAY SCHEME
CAMPAIGNERS fighting for Harlow's green spaces are hoping a rare plant will 
thwart the controversial Gateway Scheme

source and full story :
http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/star/news/story.asp?id=176555

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Viateur
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[OGD] Dorothy Potter Barnett

2004-12-03 Thread Jim Hamilton

I love this woman! Wish she had been my life's teacher.

Petite Plaisance Orchids
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Re: [OGD] Threatening orchid in the UK...

2004-12-03 Thread Steve Topletz

This article is funny for a number of reasons.

The new grass cutting method utilized by a horse... I know we may be a little 
slow on the uptake, but in Texas we call this grazing.

We think it's a tragedy for the develoopers to destroy this site of natural 
beauty when they could keep it an open space everyone can enjoy. This is 
practically a communist statement, at least one of a looter. What right or 
claim do they think they have for their enjoyment of someone elses property. 
That is like people coming around to lobby and gaggle about what they think I 
should plant in my back yard, and when I should mow it. None of their damn 
business, actually. Their mistake is thinking because their eyes or feet have 
wandered across it, that it gives them some right to speculate about it with 
any authority or voice of concern.

We don't think any ecological and environmental scientific study has been 
taken out ont he site Well, that about sums it up. He doesn't think it has 
happened, probably because nobody discussed it with him. Well, let me tell you, 
from a few thousand miles away, it certainly has. Before land is ever purchased 
by a developer, it is put under purchasing option, and test are run. They run a 
geotech analysis, an environmental, soil analysis with plasticity indices, etc 
all done by professionals, and certified by engineering firms. These are just a 
few of the tests. Seems rather foolish to buy the property first, get ready for 
construction, and then say maybe we should do a land survey first before we 
dump a bunch of houses on it, what do you blokes think?

So what is going to happen? I'll tell you: Business as usual. The orchids may 
be a superficial concern, but it is a mere triviality. At worst, the developer 
will have to pay some extra fees for the damage he incurred to the environment 
of the orchids. Unless there isn't already a provision by the city for such 
things, in which case, the whole thing goes off without a hitch. 

How the hell do I know this? Not to sound snotty, but I've worked at the 
geotech, survey, and engineering firms. Secondly, my father is a land developer 
for the US's largest custom home building corporation, and I am familiar with 
the development process from land entitlement to home warranty. No simpler way 
of saying it. So, I have a little bit on knowledge on how the whole machine 
works.

What do I mean by environment damage? Let's say that the city says we have to 
keep so many trees, and we can't affect the water flow across the land. We cut 
down whatever trees we want, and put in ponds or drain lakes if we please, and 
displace wildlife. In reparation, we pay fees to the city for cutting down the 
trees, and we build drainage systems to keep the water flow the same across the 
land, and coyotes stroll down the street and eat pets. That is the cost of 
doing business. Ecologically disgusting, but business as usual. If you want an 
environementally friendly community built into a nature reserve, we could 
probably build those at quadruple the land costs and you're gonna pay for it, 
but you certainly aren't getting it for free. But people don't want to buy 
those. They don't want to pay $450,000 for a smaller home crowded with trees, 
instead of a $300,000 home with a nice lawn, backyard, swimming pool, patio, 
community center, and home owner's association.

So what should the people do? Ask the developer for permission, enter the land 
and take whatever plant life and soil you please. He surely doesn't care. That 
is about as good as they can hope for, and is good publicity for all.  At 
worst, it might cause a slight delay to the development because of publicity 
concerns, but they will be steamrolled anyway and you can kiss the orchids 
goodbye. The city isn't going to give up the growth, money, jobs, taxes, and 
goodwill that the development will bring. Conserving the orchids is in nobody's 
best interest, except those who don't have any claim to the orchids themselves, 
and don't stand to loose anything by arresting the development. It is the 
nature of people to want something for nothing. This is why I advocate buying 
land that you want to protect from habitat loss, because otherwise you have no 
say. Even nationalized land can be bought from the less affluent countries. So 
once again, let's take up a collection and buy up the Philippines. If we really 
care, let's put our money where our mouths are instead of speculating about 
what private people should do with their private property.




On December 3, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 news story :
 
 RARE ORCHID MAY BE A THREAT TO GATEWAY SCHEME
 
 CAMPAIGNERS fighting for Harlow's green spaces are hoping a rare plant will 
 thwart the controversial Gateway Scheme
 
 source and full story :
 
 http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/star/news/story.asp?id=176555
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Viateur
 
 
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[OGD] Gavino Rotor

2004-12-03 Thread Stuart Miller








I live on Signal
 Mountain and checked the
local directory. He is still listed so unless he has kicked the bucket
since the directory went to print, he is still alive.



Stuart Miller






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[OGD] Smithsonian exhibit - reminder

2004-12-03 Thread viateur . boutot
news story :
Smithsonian exhibit explores orchid lore
... 200 species of orchids.
... Eight displays
The exhibition opens Saturday at the National Museum of Natural History.
...
The first of the eight Smithsonian displays shows how orchids were packed 
into barrels in South America for the long voyage to London.
...
Another of the displays simulates an early greenhouse...

Phragmipedium kovachii...
The site where it was first found has been stripped of these orchids by 
unethical collectors, and it is now locally extinct, said a report from 
the Botanical Garden of the University of British Columbia. Happily, a 
population been found elsewhere in a very remote location. The university 
did not name the place.

The Natural History Museum exhibit will be open until May 1.
source and complete news story :
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apscience_story.asp?category=1501slug=Orchid%20Show
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Viateur 

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