Re: [osdcmy] Re: Lagi RM2,500 (was RM3,500) Untuk Lancarkan Majalah Kod Sumber

[E A Faisal]

Saya dgn rasa malu mengaku tak bayar lagi. Tunggu 'gaji' yg tak masuk2 lagi.

Untuk artikel insyaallah akan usahakan lagi untuk submit. Cuma satu komen,
bila dihantar harap 'acknowledge' dah terima atau belum artikel.
On Sep 16, 2012 10:05 PM, "Raja Iskandar Shah" 
wrote:

> Red1, sangat dialukan. Dan kami juga perlukan lagi 2 artikel dari anda.
> Kami telah dimaklumkan bahawa KDN akan memerlukan mockup bagi 3 siri.
>
>
>
> 2012/9/16 red1 
>
>> Tuan YM Raja,
>> Saya ingin terus memberi sumbangan dalam bentuk inspirasi secara global
>> boleh? Kini di Tokyo - http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/**
>> article/Interview/20120912/**422427/?SS=imgview&FD=**2084822663&ST=oss
>>
>> Ajimas!
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/12 8:30 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>
>>> Salam hormat
>>>
>>> Kami sudah terima RM1,000 sepanjang minggu, dan perlukan lagi RM2,500.
>>>
>>> Terima kasih semua atas perhatian anda.
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Something to be proud of - Facebook bought Malaysian talent

[E A Faisal]

My view on MSC: it has never been about technology. It's more of a real
estate project, something that helps to boost property industry, though
short-lived. Sad but true.
On Aug 15, 2012 6:08 PM, "Boh Yap"  wrote:

> MSC has been around close to 2 decades, and while we are still playing
> around as bureaucrats lets compare what other 'MSCs' are doing
>
> NICTA- National ICT Australia, started in 2002, officially opened in 2004.
>
> One of their 'subsidiaries' is ERTOS, a R&D facility. They developed a
> microkernel OS,
> based on L4, a second generation microkernel architecture,  with some
> relation to GNU's HURD project...
>
> On this they built a "secure", "verifiable" embedded OS,
>
> (see the cool stuff they work on...   http://ertos.nicta.com.au/software/)
>
> ERTOS spun off Open Kernel Labs (became a commercial entity), and has
> another L4 uKernel OS called OKL4, which can be used as a hypervisor
> for virtualisation or run standalone as a embedded OS. Already
> licensed by Motorola and Qualcomm (a manf. of chips used in mobile
> phones) on millions of phones!
>
> """
> OKL4 has been deployed on over 300 million devices, mostly mobile
> phones, both as a baseband operating system and for hosting guest
> operating systems. Most notable and visible is the company's design
> win at Motorola for the Evoke QA4 messaging phone, the first phone
> which employs virtualization to support two concurrent operating
> systems (Linux and BREW) on a single processor core.
>
> OK Labs and OKL4 are the result of collaboration among academia,
> business, and open-source development.
> """
>
> They also ported Android onto the L4 microkernel...
>
>http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/androidokl4/
>
> Done my a student as a undergrd thesis! See, their Comp Sc students do
> real suff,
> not study to pass a MS or CisCO cert!?
>
> Now, that's doing real technology!
>
> And look at the ppl leading the organisation: (definitely not bureaucrats!)
> http://www.nicta.com.au/about/management   (count the PHd's there...)
>
> And they don't need no stinking NCPB!
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:47 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> > Don't forget the recent evidence act, and a proposal to amend the
> multimedia
> > act.
> >
> > I think they are scaring away investor for the IT sector! Especially the
> way
> > certain minister talk
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:
> >>
> >> question?
> >>
> >> do those who are supposed to lead/guide us in Technology, really
> >> understand/promote technology, or they are more like bureaucrats?
> >>
> >> answer:
> >>
> >> they seem to be spending more effort in bureaucracy, than on
> >> technology.. re: the NCPB.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM, red1  wrote:
> >> > Question is does MOSTI or  know this? The
> >> > best
> >> > web-scrapers (not that i know what it means) in the world were living
> in
> >> > Malaysia and Facebook spotted them and bought them as the 3rd FB
> >> > aquisition.
> >> >
> >> > This explains our index rankings of late.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 8/10/12 10:22 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This is 2010?
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:15 AM, red1  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That Facebook bought a Malaysian startup in 2010 just to get those
> >> >> brains
> >> >> in that company?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/19/octazen-what-the-heck-did-facebook-just-buy-exactly-and-why/
> >> >>
> >> >> This makes me so proud.
> >> >>
> >> >> red1
> >> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3

[E A Faisal]

I like the infra part. Many of us are 'researchers' who just dont have big
enough pocket. If only there's some kind of 'public campus' for us to use
without having breaking arms and legs. For instance I'm particularly
interested to test and expand some ideas on immunological cloud infra
(since Boh uses health as example).
On Jul 31, 2012 6:12 PM, "Boh Yap"  wrote:

> hi all,
>
> Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been
> following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into
> this.
>
> So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant.
>
> 1. Centralized IT
>
> Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of
> scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise
> (building ecosystems)...
>
> But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big
> vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware...
>
> What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the
> latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices,
> prevalent broadband internet.
>
> Why?
> 
> Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like
> water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure,
> essential for economic development. Much as our current current
> economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to
> spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power,
> water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which
> inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was
> essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra.
>
> Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for
> that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow'
> just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence
> computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband
> (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go.
>
> These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do
> a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more
> difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of
> IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins,
> network & security... Then you need domain experts..
>
>
> Easily available infra - leads to innovation
> 
>
> A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of
> computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up
> companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and
> zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting
> costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs
> via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage
> efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more
> innovators to participate.
>
> Start-ups/innovators can quickly & cheaply develop, test, deploy their
> prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There
> will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads
> to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak,
> quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable
> lessons that lead to success)
>
> Thus you build a healthy eco-system.
>
>
> How this will help government?
> --
> I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate:
>
> Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on
> OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions,
> computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics...
>
> They put out a RFP with the following terms:
>
> - must use FOSS
>
> - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced
>   (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers)
>
> - based on open API and standards,
> (for security and auhorization, for data storage
>  for data interchange, medical standars...)
>
> - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs,
>   performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie:
>   what DB, what language...
>
> - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server
>
> - infra will be provided, development servers/tools,
>test servers - all based on MOH-cloud
>
> (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made
>  into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $
>  project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to
>  'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which
>  the vendor already built into the final purchase price! )
>
>
> What are the benefits:
> --
> - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on
>merits and capability
>
> - open competition, many teams compete
>
> - MOH gets to test and evaluate vario

Re: [osdcmy] Jemputan untuk Menyumbang Artikel Majalah Kod Sumber

[E A Faisal]

tentative date & time? program ahad malam isnin free for all kan?

2012/7/6 Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman 

> +1
>
>
> 2012/7/6 trunasuci 
>
>> salamz all;
>>
>> memandangkan sebahagian dari kita akan menyumbang dan bekerjasama dengan
>> projek ini, serta acara MOSC2012 dah hampir few days more, apa kata kita
>> semua yg terlibat pakat jumpa duduk dan cerita+discuss2 pasal ni disana
>> nanti?
>>
>> just an idea.. i'll be there nanti..
>>
>> TQ
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/13/2012 6:01 AM, Abdulnasir Hassan wrote:
>>
>>> dear all , please can any one help me replacement procedure for DS2405
>>> Disk drive for IN (intelligent network)?
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> On 6/12/12, Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
>>>
 kalau aku buat artikel pasang open source tools kat win 7 guna cygwin
 buleh
 ka?
 bonus cara download & install libreoffice kat win 7

 noobies mana tau menatang linux nih...hahaha.
 tup-tup install benda kat linux, nak install linux pun ibarat meraba
 di malam buta...

 Pada 12 Jun 2012 5:50 PTG, Mohamad Imran Ishak 
 menulis:

> noted.
>
> Pada 9 Jun 2012 10:51 PG, farrell kaiser 
> menulis:
>
>  artikel mengenai pengenalan 3D menggunakan Blender 3D
>>
>> 2012/6/9 Mohamad Imran Ishak 
>>
>>> Assalamu'alaikum & salam sejahtera.
>>>
>>> Antara tajuk-tajuk artikel yang telah diterima dan bakal diterbitkan
>>> dalam isu #1 majalah Kod Sumber:
>>> ► Anak Saya Programmer Cilik - Membina Permainan Alien Invaders
>>> Dengan
>>> Java Untuk Internet
>>> ► FOSS dalam Penyelidikan
>>> ► Mengawal Versi Kod Sumber Dengan Git
>>> ► Bagaimana untuk mempercepatkan capaian A-GPS pada Telefon Android
>>>
>>> Dan lagi?
>>>
>>> Kami memerlukan lagi beberapa buah artikel (15++) untuk dimuatkan
>>> dalam
>>> edisi sulung ini. Topik-topik merangkumi pentadbiran sistem,
>>> pembangunan
>>> perisian, pembangunan sesawang, mobile, rangkaian, sistem maklumat,
>>> pengaturcaraan, virtualisasi, sistem terbenam, dan lain-lain yang
>>> berkaitan.
>>> Oleh itu kami menjemput anda untuk menjadi penulis/penyumbang artikel
>>> Kod
>>> Sumber.
>>>
>>> Sila rujuk Panduan Penulisan Artikel untuk mengetahui bagaimana anda
>>> boleh turut serta menyumbang artikel ke dalam Kod Sumber:
>>>
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**78667776/Panduan%20Penulisan%**
>>> 20Artikel%20v1.2.pdf
>>>
>>> Terima kasih.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Mohamad Imran Ishak -
>>> Penolong Editor
>>> Majalah Kod Sumber
>>> Jawatankuasa Penerbitan
>>> Koperasi Sumber Terbuka Selangor Berhad
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Re: [osdcmy] Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

[E A Faisal]

Tawaran menarik. Orang-orang muda patut jangan lepaskan peluang.

2012/6/10 Soire Meira 

> Alamak... Bahas ingerris fail der... boleh try ka :P
>
>
> Pada 8 Jun 2012 3:26 PTG, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> menulis:
>
> saya mampu jadi sysadmin je sekarang..hihi..good luck siapa yang mencuba
>> nasib! :D
>>
>>
>> 2012/6/8 red1 
>>
>>> **
>>> ANK: Ya, boleh. ada juga kat FB saya:  /red1org
>>> MII: Saya pun tak lepas piawaian dunia. Saya pakai kepala otak fikir
>>> cara lain.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/8/12 2:01 PM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff wrote:
>>>
>>> mohon share di fb, boleh boss?
>>>
>>> 2012/6/8 Mohamad Imran Ishak 
>>>
 Ilmu hisab ku tak mencapai piawai yg ditetapkan.

 Pada 8 Jun 2012 12:56 PG, red1  menulis:

 Saudara/i warga perisian bebas,
> Projek komuniti ADempiere kini ada peluang bagi pelajar tempatan
> menjejaki cara hidup bebas berdikari dengan kepakaran pelbagai ilmu
> perisian bebas seperti Fitnesse, Java, Junit, OSGi, Ext JSP, PostgreSQL 
> dan
> HTML5 dengan melibatkan diri dalam satu projek yang berpengkalan di negara
> Jerman. Seorang aprentis dari sana akan berada di Malaysia dari bulan Ogos
> selama 6 bulan. Beliau adalah maskot projek - seperti terpapar dalam laman
> www.adempiere.org dan www.red1.org
>
> Beliau akan berkongsi tugas projek dengan 2 aprentis terpilih dari
> Malaysia, dan bagi aprentis tempatan yang berjaya juga akan berpeluang ke
> luar negara samada Eropah atau Latin Amerika bergantung pada persediaan
> yang sering ujud dikalangan komuniti luas ADempiere. Pendedahan projek dan
> aprentis dari Jerman akan memangkinkan daya pencapaian dengan lebih laju
> dari biasa serta bergiat secara global.
>
> Sesiapa yang berminat hendaklah mengemukakan maklumat diri yang
> menyakinkan kami tentang kesungguhan dirinya. Tiada apa elaun akan
> diberikan dalam tempoh 3 bulan pertama. Bonus projek akan ditawarkan
> sekiranya berjaya menguasai tunjuk ajar yang diberi dan menghasilkan
> keperluan projek.
>
> Rekod bio-data anda juga akan dinaik-taraf dengan pengkitirafan oleh
> syarikat dari Jerman serta beberapa negara luar yang lain nanti mengikut
> penerimaan sumbangan perisian bebas masing-masing. Ini akan juga membantu
> indeks negara memanjat tangga sebagai pembangun perisian bebas yang asli
> dan bertaraf dunia.
>
> Kelulusan minima: SPM - Inggeris dan Matematik Tambahan - A+ atau A1
>
> Sila tujukan permohonan kepada emel saya di atas sebelum 15hb June,
> 2012.
>
> Redhuan D. Oon
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Re: [osdcmy] LUN from SAN storage got corrupted

[E A Faisal]

Are active & passive machines' time synced to NTP server?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

> Pada 30 Mac 2012 1:23 PG, Adzmely Mansor  menulis:
> > u r using RHCS, meaning that are multiple servers/centos? and the
> > problematic LUN is a shared fs LUN? or just an active-passive?
> >
>
> 2+1 setup where the LUN will be mounted on standy server upon being fenced
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Re: [osdcmy] SAN fencing

[E A Faisal]

Never done that. But I think a read on luci and ricci can help - at Red Hat
doc - to do fencing.

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> hi,
>
> have you guys done SAN fencing for cluster environment
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>
> any docs that i could refer to?
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Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Permohonan Penubuhan Koperasi

[E A Faisal]

what's next?

2011/10/6 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> KOSTEM dah ok..cuma letak dalam kurungan selangor atau "S" je dah cukup
>
>
> 2011/10/5 Mohamad Imran 
>
>> 2011/10/4, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini :
>> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Mohamad Imran 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Also need to rebranding all the stuff, wiki, FB, logo..
>> >>
>> >
>> > tak perlu rebranding, yang sedia ada pun dah cukup baik dah
>> >
>>
>> Maksud aku logo, dan segala yang berkaitan dengan nama KOSTEM. Nak
>> kena cari akronim baru.
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Re: [osdcmy] sample iptables untuk 3-NIC firewall

[E A Faisal]

Apa output:

$ ip route list


On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan <
sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:

> assalamualaikum.
>
> ada sesiapa yang ada sample iptables untuk 3 NIC firewall?
>
> saya ada masalah untuk configure supaya LAN boleh access ke DMZ
>
> berikut info:
>
> WAN_IFACE=eth0
> LAN_IFACE=eth1
> DMZ_IFACE=eth2
>
> WAN_IP=192.168.1.2 , netmask = 255.255.255.0 , gateway = 192.168.1.1
> LAN_IP=192.168.2.1, netmask = 255.255.255.0 , gateway none
> DMZ_IP=192.168.3.1, netmask = 255.255.255.0 , gateway none
>
> laptop IP=192.168.2.200, netmask = 255.255.255.0, gateway = 192.168.2.1
> webserver IP=192.168.3.15 , netmask = 255.255.255.0 , gateway = 192.168.3.1
>
> saya configure
>
> iptables --append FORWARD --source 192.168.2.0/24 --destination
> 192.168.3.0/24 --match state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED --protocol
> tcp --destination-port 80 -j ACCEPT
> iptables --append FORWARD --source 192.168.3.0/24 --destination
> 192.168.2.0/24 --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED --protocol tcp
> --source-port 80 -j ACCEPT
>
> tapi tak boleh browse web server yang dok kat 192.168.3.15 tu...
>
>
> ada cadangan?
>
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Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming

[E A Faisal]

s/mIRC/ircII/g

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> More of a concern of what happen since then in Malaysia. Not expecting
> school to teach everything.
>
> My experience on CS education in Malaysia on the other hand, is the same as
> the opinions on many post on such a topic in OSDC.my list.
>
> The only issue with education here is, probably in many other place too. Is
> that we don't teach how to learn,
>
> On Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM, "Ghodmode"  wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia
> >>
> >
> > Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia?
> >
> > I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My
> > reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It
> keeps
> > it interesting.
> >
> > I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US.
> > Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would
> > be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Status Semasa Penubuhan Koperasi

[E A Faisal]

how do i check whether my name is in the list or not?

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:05 PM, aziman noor  wrote:

> i think can but pls put only the name and email. others data make private.
>
> thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jacob. can you pls fill in this form again
>>
>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dHNfc2xma1JGSkw5MHZEcFJ4Vy0zb0E6MQ#gid=0
>>
>> sorry, i have seen your name in a previous list, but somehow in this list,
>> it is missing.
>>
>> all.. can i list the names at wiki.kostem.my just so that people can
>> check whether their names are already included ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/7/26 Jacob Thomas 
>>
>>> Hi Raja,
>>>
>>> I thought I did submit my name sometime ago - pls help to check. If
>>> not there, pls include me under Selangor.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 12:19 pm, Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Salam hormat pada semua
>>> >
>>> > Buat masa ini cadang koperasi ini telah mendaftarkan minat dari 75
>>> orang
>>> > (dan masih lagi ada yang mendaftar bulan ini) mengikut pecahan negeri
>>> > seperti berikut:
>>> >
>>> >SUMMARY COUNT
>>> >
>>> >  Perlis 0  Kedah 4  Pulau Pinang 1  Perak 4  Selangor 28  Negeri
>>> Sembilan 4
>>> > Melaka 4  Johor 4  Pahang 5  Terengganu 4  Kelantan 8  Sabah 1  Sarawak
>>> 2
>>> > Wilayah 6
>>> >
>>> >  TOTAL 75
>>> >
>>> >   Bagi memenuhi syarat Suruhanjaya Koperasi Malaysia (SKM), kita perlu
>>> untuk
>>> > minima 50 orang untuk mendaftarkan koperasi di negeri berkenaan. Kami
>>> > memerlukan bantuan anda untuk menghebahkan berkaitan Koperasi Sumber
>>> Terbuka
>>> > ini supaya penubuhan ini dapat di buat.
>>> >
>>> > Permohonan untuk penubuhan koperasi sangat mudah boleh dibuat secara
>>> online
>>> > dan keputusan dibuat dalam masa 14 hari oleh SKM. Kita cuma perlu 50
>>> org
>>> > dalam 1 negeri untuk mulakan.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Hari ICT PTM UKM 2011

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Any number to call, in case I can drop by and help.

2011/7/14 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
>
> Nampaknya
>
> Saya dan Shukri sahaja akan membantu di UKM.
>
> Jika ada lagi yang berminat sila isi borang disini
>
> http://goo.gl/alXRQ
>
> Terima kasih.
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM, saiful  wrote:
> > kalau half day aku rasa dia bagi sijil separuh je kut :)
> >
> > 2011/7/13 Harisfazillah Jamel 
> >>
> >> Salam
> >>
> >> OK boleh. Nanti report duty kepada En. Shukri.
> >>
> >> Terima kasih.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM, riZer Enterprise
> >>  wrote:
> >> > tuan haris
> >> >
> >> > insyaallah saya pun nak join jugak
> >> > saya akan isi form tu sebentar lagi
> >> > harap terima
> >> >
> >> > Azhar
> >> >
> >> > 2011/7/12 Soire Meira 
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok.. xde masalah insyaallah sy sampai :P
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2011/7/12 Harisfazillah Jamel 
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Team
> >> >>>
> >> >>> New link for the online registration form
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://goo.gl/alXRQ
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks.
> >> >>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Python sprint

[E A Faisal]

Someone with videocam, can you pls record the session. I really want to
attend but I can't make it.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:53 AM, red1  wrote:

> On 5/11/11 9:40 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:
>
>>
>> Please come I wish to know how the java community do it too
>>
>>
> My interest is that i have setup Fitnesse testing which works with our
> ADempiere  Java code and the next step is to port it onto Jenkins build
> server, but i guess that takes a few steps and hopefully i can pick up some
> vital starters from your session.
> I trust the Python layer maybe some manager interface layer away from the
> food, i mean code.
> Otherwise we already have JSR223 scripting oven for our column callout for
> any DB model within.
>
> Will google for Inigo Subang Jaya location :)
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[E A Faisal]

Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or somethin'?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> sorry, I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
> rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.
>
> BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
> full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...
>
>
> more updates on triCubes
>
>
> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788&sec=business
>
> There are comments made by Pemandu Director: Dr Fadhlullah Suhaimi
> Abdul Malek which is 'interesting' and deserve some comments...
>
> 
>
>For example, the Road Transport Department sends out (via snail
>mail) about two million summonses and notifications yearly that
>cost them about RM1 just to send out and another RM1 if the
>receiver replied.
>
>Tricubes offers 50 sen for the transaction. Just imagine how much
>of taxpayers' money we can save. But the agencies have the right
>to decline the services offered,”
>
> 
>
> ...50c that's a healthy profit considering the cost of pushing bits
> down the wire is next to nothing... comparing to transporting pieces
> of paper.
>
> Obviously the party that loses out will be Pos Malaysia (PM). But then
> again, if the costs/revenue goes to PM, since its tax-payers money, it
> stays within the gov. and goes to pay salaries for civil servants
> etc...
>
> With Tricubes, it goes into private sector pockets... why should my
> tax dollars do that? Is Tricubes gonna grow the industry?
>
> Well this deal certainly saved their butt with the Stock Exchange!
>
> 
>
>   Tricubes is the only company that is publicly listed and our
>   evaluation team has a set of criteria based on techonology, know-
>   how and past performance,” he said.
>
> 
>
> Hmm, technology? Tricubes from what I can gather has little knowhow on
> managing large servers and services. Their core business is on mobile
> terminals (with smart card readers etc...), and they have a USB device
> that reads fingerprints, ... So maybe that's why they 'outsource' to
> MS Hotmail
>
> As Marcus, from InternetNow mentioned, they have a made in Malaysia
> Mail Server, that can compete against the likes of MS Xchange, but
> they were not called to tender?!
>
> So to say Technology was a criteria for the decision by PEMANDU is
> definitely a bit of a stretch... from my perspective, or for the
> average person on this list.
>
>
> 
>The main difference is that your identity data is authenticated by the
>(NRD)National Registration Department that will give accurate
>information on the email.
>
> This is actually good for advertisers that usually rely on gender and
> age group to promote specific products,” he said, adding that
> personal data of the users, as usual, would be protected by
> Personal Data Protection Act.
> 
>
> If this is the case, does it mean that other service providers can
> also use NRD to provide authentification service? As NRD is a gov.
> agency, it should provide equal services to all parties, no? Off
> course subject to the regulations etc... And if NRD is not providing
> this as a service, perhaps they should!
>
> The second para is a bit worrying... does it mean that Tricubes will
> use or resell our NRD data! Are we gonna get spam from TriCubes?
>
>
> There was also a few issues raised in earlier posts which are very
> relevant:
>
> Colin Charles mentioned..., yes there is a need for a national Digital
> ID service (but Tricubes in all their announcements never positioned
> themselves this way), ie: a Malaysian OpenID service and the like.
>
> This will prevent fraud, provide authentification ad authorisation for
> eGov and other online services, a boon to eCommerce etc... BUT there
> is no mention that Tricubes is doing this.
>
> If there is to be a National Digital ID service, then the obvious
> party to do this would be the National Registration Department, after
> all they are the ones that issue our NRIC cards!
>
> And if anyone were to do this, there is no need to spend 10's millions
> to develop new technology, the OpenID foundation provides the protocol
> standards and libraries to do this... just build on them. And they are
> keen to work with governments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> > My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government". The
> MX
> > record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From
> national
> > security standpoint, 

Re: [osdcmy] [Python] hackers wanted

[E A Faisal]

Squid (C) hacker with turbogear (Python) skill

Sound to me like "I want C hacker who also knows Python".

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Muhammad Syafiq
wrote:

> wahh.. tuan @bizkut ade projek besarr lah tuh...
>
> masyu.. 
>
> محمد شافق بن مذلي
> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
> http://syafiq.me
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>> > For What???
>> >
>>
>> for turbogears job?
>>
>>
>> > 2011/5/4 Hasanuddin Abu Bakar 
>> >>
>> >> A squid hacker with turbogears skill wanted at sigma rectrix
>> >> systems.seriousshit position.salary negotiable.contact me asap.
>> >>
>> >> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
>> >> GSEC #28858
>> >> IT Security Engineer
>> >> +6017 913 1983
>> >>
>> >> Sigma Rectrix Systems (M) Sdn Bhd
>> >> No.15 & 15-1, Jalan Equine 9A,
>> >> Equine Park, Bandar Putra Permai
>> >> 43300 Seri Kembangan Selangor
>> >> URL : www.sigmarectrix.com
>> >>
>> >> Phone: 03-89486696
>> >> Fax  : 03-89487796
>> >> Helpdesk  : 03-89486596
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[E A Faisal]

My concern is the phrase "secure communication with the government". The MX
record clearly shows it points to the data center in the US. From national
security standpoint, this is very so insecure.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yes, i believe the article has highlighted a very important opportunity
> moving forward - the implementation of cyber id authentication for malaysia.
>
> imagine the potential - register once and use the id to access all the
> participating govt agencies (no need to register).
>
> example : dbkl / tnb / ptptn send me my bill / statement through the email.
> in the statement there is a button Bayar, and when i click on it, my browser
> displays the login page for the agency, i login with myemail.my id and
> password, then can pay for the bill.
>
> that will save me and the agencies a whole lot of hassle just to maintain
> usernames / accounts / passwords for the hundreds of agencies. now we will
> have a platform to implement 'single sign-on'
>
> we had myeg, rileks which acted as single portal to govt agencies - but
> this worked on a centralised portal concept. with a single sign-on, we can
> have a distributed concept.
>
> so now the opportunity are for
>
>1. web developers among us, to figure out how to make our portals / web
>apps to work with this myemail id.
>2. os developers among us, to figure out how to make windows live id to
>work on non-windows client machines
>
> see example for drupal : http://drupal.org/project/winliveid
>
> this single sign-on would be great for one of my past clients, where we had
> to request guests to register, then someone in the agency to check that the
> information is valid before approving the registration, then we also had to
> have features like recalling lost password / etc.
>
> with myemail.my, we could just ask them to logon using their current id,
> and we could have that automatically authenticated. no need to re-register
> and try to remember the password for so many websites.
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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

[E A Faisal]

with RM50 mil, Tricube can be "saved" from delisting from Bursa Malaysia.
ooopss, is this confidential information?

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> hi all,
>
> Well, Fazli brought up a good point, maybe, becase no one else
> proposed such a solution, and TriCubes did, therefore they got it.
> (I'll come back to this point.. in another mail) but duhh!, is it that
> easy? Then I've got 1/2 dozen proposals for 50m each, who do I submit
> them to?
>
> Whatever is said, yes tricubes may foot the initial development costs,
> but if the gov is using it and paying for it, then tax-payers money is
> involved. If that is the case, was due-deligence done? How?
>
> Here, <
> http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/20/nation/20110420155327&sec=nation#13033084438331&if_height=583
> >
>
> it says
>
>"Proposals submitted are assessed by Entry Point Project (EPP)
> teams,
> to ensure only sustainable and implementable business models, are
> supported. In this case, the team for the e-government EPP comprised
> MAMPU and GITN Sdn Bhd. Every proposal is assessed on similar
> criteria."
>
> hmm... they must be technically competent.
>
> The justification it seems:
>
>"Currently, most Malaysians use non-secured public e-mail e.g.
> yahoo,
> hotmail, gmail (hosted overseas) in their communications with the
> government."
>
> Well, there's this little piece of FLOSS called PGP (Pretty Good
> Privacy). And developing a plugin that works with PGP for a mail-agent
> like thunderbird or web-mail would have been much easier. Also I
> believe MiMOS has this thing called DigiCert, they are a Certificate
> Authority, yes?
>
> But without discussing the technical issues(? we are geeks right?),
> the concept of email is so yesterday. If you want to foster better
> relationship between gov and the rakyat, and foster community, a much
> better type of solution would be a 'FaceBook' with Twitter clone! And
> things like Diaspora, Wave in a Box (formerly GoogleWave) are FLOSS
> tools that are available.
>
>
>
>
> It would be an interesting collaborative exercise:
>
> Work out a simple Specifications and Costing for such a project as
> mentioned in th article, using resources that we have within OSDC.
> Show how we can actually deliver this using FLOSS tools and at a
> fraction of the cost. Perhaps even more appealing would be to derive a
> methodology for doing such that it involves more people, perhaps using
> interns/trainees from institute of higher learning, in the project.
> That way, there is a wider transfer of technology (to more people) and
> also to grow the community. Use the project to develop skills and
> expertise, it could be part of soembody's MS/PhD thesis etc...
>
> In this case the means is as important as the end. The end is of
> course to deliver the stated objects, but with FLOSS, and the means is
> to build skills and a sustainable ecosystem. This ecossytem can then
> grow to become an industry, and I'm sure its returns will be much
> larger than the 150m?? return quoted by TriCubes.
>
> Four of the EPPs are under the Oil, Gas and Energy NKEA, three under
> Business Services, three under Greater Kuala Lumpur, two under
> Healthcare, two under Tourism, and one each under Education,
> Agriculture, Wholesale and Retail, Communications Content and
> Infrastructure, and Electrical and Electronics.
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran
>  wrote:
> > I love malaysia. :)
> >
> > Many news and many people have their own way to thinking and give various
> > feedback. Many people still confuse what ETP for. Please read what ETP
> for.
> > I not worried about this 50m project because it not from our gov public
> fund
> > but it from private fund. This project was propose by tricubes to gov to
> > make 1malaysia email. Because we not propose anything to our gov, our
> > community just love to voice, blame, flame war and talk and talk and give
> > good idea and many suggestion but who want to execute and implement it?
> Who?
> >
> > Don't blame tricubes because they get endorse by our gov about the
> project
> > but blame our self why until now we not yet publish or do something and
> > propose to our gov that we can do also same like tricubes do.
> >
> > What we must do now is proposal and paperwork and sent to our gov. We
> have
> > many agency that we can propose like mimos, tpm, mdec, mampu, mcmc,
> intan,
> > unik, miti, smidec, smecorp, terajun, pemandu and others.
> >
> > If we want beat tricubes we need to be like them too. We have many
> various
> > level people in this group and of course many geek too and until now we
> > still not unite and still talk behind each others and curse each others.
> >
> > If we done like above and we have the right voice to consult our gov why
> > must use this and this. We done our part and then we have a right to
> blame
> > our gov heheheh. Until now we not do like that as community but many
> people
> > done but only for i

Re: [osdcmy] Hari Terbuka 2011 pada 24-26 Mac 2011

[E A Faisal]

25th got python meetup

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> 26 is the distro workshop, 25 is a friday, working bro, and yes thats a
> problem
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:47 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>>
>>> 25 is the distro workshop.
>>>
>>
>> That's the problem
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi guys!

 I just been inform by Pn. Suzita (UKM) about open day which I stated at
 the subject above. So, she contact me for recruit some numbers of community
 members joining forces as promotional team like we've done last year (if I
 not mistaken). We only needed for 25th and 26th March 2011.

 Because I'm not really quite free at that time, is there others who
 would like to join them? Just let me know.

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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

[E A Faisal]

The new Samsung phone for Yes is definitely not on Android. I just got a
test phone on Saturday. I've yet to try to use the phone as a modem on
linux. Hopefully I have the time to test that kinda setup today.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:36 PM, fenris  wrote:

> nanti sy cuba .. sbb staff sy ade subscribe .. usb dongle on mac osx ok
> jerk sbb dia ade installer ...
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:
>
>> Rumours are that they will bring in an Android phone. Hopefully that
>> should be tetherable, not to mention rootable heh
>>
>> haris bin ali
>>
>> http://qedx.com
>>
>> Screw the environment. Please print this email immediately. And then burn
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:51 PM, joshuatly  wrote:
>> > I'm using huddle too. My only complain for yes4g is their coverage. No
>> > coverage in my hostel (appartment) and poor and spotty coverage in my
>> > college.
>> >
>> > Joshuatly Tee Lien Yu
>> > Sent from my HTC Desire Z.
>> >
>> > On Mar 20, 2011 9:31 PM, "Raja Iskandar Shah" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> ok have just signed up for yes, wimax, from the yes centre at kl
>> sentral.
>> >>
>> >> i am using the huddle, where the computers can connect via wifi only
>> (the
>> >> usb cable is only for charging). now connected with ubuntu 10.04 nbr.
>> >>
>> >> paid for the rm1199 package using the 0% installment (rm50 over 24
>> >> months).
>> >> this gives the huddle for 'free' with rm800 credit. converting the
>> credit
>> >> to
>> >> value pack will give me 5x 10GB.
>> >>
>> >> running speedtest.net from presint 9 putrajaya gives me 4.5mbps
>> download
>> >> and
>> >> 1.5mbps upload. so much better than maxis.
>> >>
>> >> the go dongle does not work with linux.
>> >>
>> >> according to the sales rep, the buzz hphone doesnt work with linux ;-(
>> .
>> >> unfortunately, i did not bring my netbook to test this out. considering
>> >> that
>> >> i can connect to the internet with my 'oldie' 3g phone, then i would
>> think
>> >> it is technically possible. but the sales rep did mention that there
>> will
>> >> be
>> >> another model coming out (not sure when), so will wait for that.
>> >>
>> >> by the way, with 1 account, can have up to three devices using that
>> >> account.
>> >>
>> >> oppss... just did a retest on speedtest.net, this time got 5.7mbps
>> >> download
>> >> and 1.8mbps upload.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 AM, E A Faisal 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux
>> because
>> >>> there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one
>> for
>> >>> android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have
>> >>> Windows/OSX
>> >>> on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only
>> option
>> >>> is
>> >>> to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>> >>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the
>> go
>> >>>> dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same
>> account
>> >>>> ;-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a
>> usb
>> >>>> /
>> >>>> lan connection ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle
>> >>>>> (which I am using).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd

Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

[E A Faisal]

Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux because
there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one for
android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have Windows/OSX
on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only option is
to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.
>
> planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the go
> dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same account ;-)
>
> if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a usb /
> lan connection ?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle (which
>> I am using).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any
>>> linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me, except for
>>> home package with that big black yes modem.
>>>
>>> perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to find
>>> the driver :p
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 dear all

 anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?

 planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is
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Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE

[E A Faisal]

Lazy query vs greedy query perhaps. People in FOSS are usually "lazy", hence
make use of lazy query. Vendors are usually "greedy" and hence make use of
greedy query :)

2011/3/13 Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 

> masalah macam ni biasanya bukan pada database, tetapi pada cara sistem
> tersebut diprogramkan.
>
> bila program mula-mula direka, biasanya orang tak ambik kisah dengan jumlah
> pengguna, dan macam mana sistem tersebut perlu membaca data.
>
> sebagai contoh, kalau asalnya programkan untuk negeri Perak, bila query
> sekolah, sistem akan baca semua sekolah yang ada di Perak.
>
> masih ok lagi sebab sekolah kat perak berapa banyak la sangat. ada 10
> daerah, katakan dalam satu daerah ada 20 buah sekolah menengah, sistem akan
> senaraikan 200 sekolah.
>
> tapi bila sistem yang sama digunakan diseluruh malaysia, dan sistem perlu
> menyenaraikan semua sekolah dimalaysia. berapa banyak tu? mengikut portal
> MOE, ada 2,248 . banyak tu.
>
> isu yang sama berlaku bila senaraikan nama pelajar. ada 2,344,891 murid
> sekolah menengah di malaysia
>
> jadi, isu kat sini bukan database. isu kat sini macam mana data dibaca dan
> ditulis. dan juga macam mana data disusun.
>
> tukar kepada oracle pun nanti, hasilnya sama juga,
>
>
>
> 2011/3/13 cikgu ayob 
>
>> link web :
>>
>> http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552
>>
>> SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila
>> Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas.
>> Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test
>> terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang.
>>
>> Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di
>> bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu,
>> ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila
>> terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!!
>>
>> Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di
>> Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai.
>> Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan
>> Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4
>> juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah…
>> Wallahualam..!!
>>
>> link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/
>>
>> Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian
>> rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan
>> analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan
>> pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak
>> sahaja.
>> Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan..
>>
>> Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan
>> masalah ini..
>>
>> Terima..kasih..
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Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths

[E A Faisal]

I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self taught.
So this is my opinion.

Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I experienced
countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful. While it's
true that you can program something without any understanding of math but I
learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of high
quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped to
bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a scheduler to
poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight forward,
without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up resources
needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant because
it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future. Eventually
I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler - yes!
math to the rescue.

Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on a
given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you gonna
call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business logic
is basically a representation of mathematical model.

Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math in
depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you better
catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm sure
it's useful to others too.


On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
> developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
>
> We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
> can be created.
>
> and one thing.
>
> Computer programming is an art :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> > http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/
> > based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It depends
> on
> > the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no
> > what you guys think
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: PHP Malaysia Meetup 2011 : Framework Shootout

[E A Faisal]

I'll be there to cheer for Django :P

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:56 AM, red1  wrote:

> On 2/18/11 8:47 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>> i will be attending.
>>
>>
>>  where Raja goes, i go too :)
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Malaysia Python User Group - Python.my

[E A Faisal]

Try post the Q to www.python.org.my. "during working hour" is really a
killer remark... huhu

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:46 PM,  wrote:

> Nampak gaya x boleh join.. Sebab belum ada anak lg.. Ahaksss
> Sent by DiGi from my BlackBerry® Smartphone
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Malaysia Python User Group - Python.my
>
> Snake Wrangling for Kids
>
> http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/
>
> “Snake Wrangling for Kids” is a printable electronic book, for
> children 8 years and older, who would like to learn computer
> programming. It covers the very basics of programming, and uses the
> Python 3 programming language to teach the concepts.
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
> > Team,
> >
> > OSS community of the day
> >
> > Python.my
> >
> > http://python.my/
> >
> > This not animal right group for protection of snake ... Hehehe...
> >
> > Python runs on almost all modern OS and have been proven to be one of
> > the most productive programming language around town. Python have been
> > successfully used in all areas of development ranging from games, web
> > portals, system applications, hacking and is even the educational
> > sector as the choice language for learning programming.
> >
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Suse 11.3 with libgnutls.so12 ( backward compatible )

[E A Faisal]

Yes you can simply copy. Perhaps use ldd to get dependencies. If the app
honor LD_LIBRARY_PATH, then probably can put in another directory. If the
search path of the library is embedded in the binary (rpath), you probably
can still change that using PatchELF (http://nixos.org/patchelf.html)

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah
wrote:

> Haris;
>
> can be copied just like that and put to that lib directory?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My suggestion.
>>
>> Installed the older version of the Opensuse into another machine.
>>
>> Copy the library files from that machine into new machine.
>>
>> Take care for :
>>
>> 1) New version OpenSuse may have symlink with the same name of old lib
>> to new lib files. Need to remove it.
>>
>> 2) Its may need to be copied into /usr/lib (check OpenSuse standard
>> directory)
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:32 PM, simpleLinux <2fz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ever tried alien that can decompile and then compile back
>> > rpms?
>> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/1/search/libgnutls.so.12
>>  check
>> > it out haha
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:20 PM, riZer Enterprise
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Python is the language of the year in tiobe!!!

[E A Faisal]

What are the criteria to become a "real" language apart from being Turing
complete?

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail <
kagesenshi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:
> > well,
> >
> > maybe 'some people' do not consider JS to be a 'real language' seeing
> > that it 'only' lives within the browser!? It took a long time for
> > scripting/interpreted languages ie Python, Ruby, PHP to be accepted as
> > real languages remember?
>
> only in browser? ..
>
> /me stares at node.js
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Python is the language of the year in tiobe!!!

[E A Faisal]

I tend to agree with Guido's comment on Tiobe index. How come Javascript is
well below Python, PHP and even Ruby considering how ubiquitous the language
usage is? This make the ranking a little bit questionable.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CL Chow  wrote:

> You can add me on gtalk with this same gmail address, so we can have some
> sort of discussion  :)
>
> Regards,
> CL Chow
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> OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/";
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>
>> i really want to study python.. someone can give me a guide?
>>
>> 2011/1/9 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>
>>> Do agree. We do need more programming related event for OSDC.my .
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:03 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>>> > Python.my is started, i don't want to focus on language, i still think
>>> there
>>> > is place for everyone. But we do need more programming related event
>>> for
>>> > osdc.my(just saying), So a meetup would be good
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Re: [osdcmy-public] looking for file management solutions

[E A Faisal]

OT. Abd Rahman Johari @anthea, lama tak nampak. Bila boleh jumpa minum teh?
-qAz-

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani <
nor.arl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  ah, yes. Sorry I'm not really familiar with any of these business
> solutions (all these while plugged with bio softwares to even bother about
> anything other than my niche =_=) *sigh. I'll forward the appropriate person
> to discuss about this and let them take this from there.
>
>
> *◄►
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> *(3SCB) Bsc Computer Science (Bioinformatics)
> FACULTY OF COMPUTER SCIENCE AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS*
> *UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY MALAYSIA*
> *012-5934575*
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [osdcmy-public] looking for file management solutions
> From: swees...@gmail.com
>
> To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>
> The point here is, it is too early to ask for a quotation, my opinion. i
> think more discussion between you and the person involve in building the
> system is needed before that.
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
> The spec sound simple, but i got a feeling there is more to it. For one,
> the statement is a bit general. More detail is useful, such as what kind of
> functionality is expected. How the document is inputed into the system. How
> you expect to retrieve it, how it would look.
>
> All this is important, because it would be added to the amount of time
> needed, which would in turn, translated around the price of the system.
>
> just saying
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani <
> nor.arl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  yes, total solution. Everything A-Z, from system development to staff
> training.
>
> p/s: @MASOKIS O_O jgn panggil kak.. huhu
>
>
> *◄►
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> *(3SCB) Bsc Computer Science (Bioinformatics)
> FACULTY OF COMPUTER SCIENCE AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS*
> *UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY MALAYSIA*
> *012-5934575*
>
>
>
>
> > From: linuxmalay...@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:19:52 +0800
> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy-public] looking for file management solutions
> > To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>
> >
> > Ni macam total solution. Daripada hendak masukkan dokumen ke sistem ke
> > management of files.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:14 PM, MASOKIS  wrote:
> > > Salam kak Nor,
> > > nak buat aturcara / apps khas ke ?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Salam and hello world
> > >> Anyone interested in developing a file management solution for a
> judiciary
> > >> Court House of Malaysia? Basically the jobs are to transfer all
> hard-copied
> > >> docs into softcopies, put them up on a server or
> something, maintenance, and
> > >> training for the staffs. Helping a family member here. I won't
> guarantee any
> > >> business opportunity whatsoever (because the project is still an
> infant) but
> > >> worth trying, eh?
> > >> and yes, pardon me for my lack of knowledge in business terms =_=
> > >> Email me your quotations, and I'll forward it to the appropriate
> person.
> > >> thank you
> > >> ◄►
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Re: [osdcmy-public] LINUX SW GUI DEVELOPMENT

[E A Faisal]

Since you're going to use Java, next choose your UI toolkit and learn the
concept of UI programming for that toolkit. For example, in wxWidgets, a
window as many people know it is called a Frame. Within a frame, there could
be many widgets (small elements which make up the window), eg. control
widget, presentation widget, etc. For GTK, it's a bit different especially
on event handling.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani <
nor.arl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Alamak, sorry. I somehow put the wrong contohs =_= I'm going to do this
> with java, not phyton. My bad
>
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> Subject: Re: [osdcmy-public] LINUX SW GUI DEVELOPMENT
> From: eafai...@gmail.com
> To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>
>
> First identify what programming language you intend to use - Python, C/C++,
> Perl, Java, etc. Next pick a UI toolkit - GTK, Qt, etc. I saw you mentioned
> PyGTK, so that pretty much translates to Python with GTK. Once you've learnt
> your programming language of choice, then start learning the basic concept
> of the UI toolkit which you're going to use. Different toolkits have their
> own way (concept) of drawing the screen. Once you're familiar with the
> fundamental concept, you can start creating your UI. Take things step by
> step, only then it's not going to overwhelm you.
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani <
> nor.arl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Salam and Hello World
>
> Can someone run me through on how to develop a GUI for an already-existing
> Linux software package? Apparently the software runs via command line (on
> Linux) and I need a GUI for the software to make people's lives (and mine as
> well) easier. I don't need the codes or anything, just a quick intro and
> some insight, and some hints on how to start.
>
> I've checked out PyGTK, Qt and such and I HONESTLY have no idea on how to
> start. Blame the holidays.
>
> Thank you in advance, and yes, I am a noob. Tried googling but nothing
> turns out to be understandable OR I simply used the wrong keywords =_=
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] LINUX SW GUI DEVELOPMENT

[E A Faisal]

First identify what programming language you intend to use - Python, C/C++,
Perl, Java, etc. Next pick a UI toolkit - GTK, Qt, etc. I saw you mentioned
PyGTK, so that pretty much translates to Python with GTK. Once you've learnt
your programming language of choice, then start learning the basic concept
of the UI toolkit which you're going to use. Different toolkits have their
own way (concept) of drawing the screen. Once you're familiar with the
fundamental concept, you can start creating your UI. Take things step by
step, only then it's not going to overwhelm you.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani <
nor.arl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Salam and Hello World
>
> Can someone run me through on how to develop a GUI for an already-existing
> Linux software package? Apparently the software runs via command line (on
> Linux) and I need a GUI for the software to make people's lives (and mine as
> well) easier. I don't need the codes or anything, just a quick intro and
> some insight, and some hints on how to start.
>
> I've checked out PyGTK, Qt and such and I HONESTLY have no idea on how to
> start. Blame the holidays.
>
> Thank you in advance, and yes, I am a noob. Tried googling but nothing
> turns out to be understandable OR I simply used the wrong keywords =_=
>
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Shared hosting done right

[E A Faisal]

Salam

Setuju dengan pandangan Kamal. Kebanyakan developer ada kekengan masa untuk
urus tadbir server. Rasa-rasanya developer lebih suka untuk fokus pada
development dari jadi Sys Admin. Senario sekarang di Malaysia, RoR & Django
developer macam dianaktirikan.

2010/10/14 Azril Nazli Alias 

> Salam
>
> Di Malaysia, saya rasa option menggunakan VPS masih lagi viable jika hendak
> menggunakan Ruby On Rails / Django dan developer mesti ada asas Sys Admin
> untuk manage server, maybe boleh guna style Heroku in the future
>
> Contohnya RoR kini sudah versi 3, dan banyak perubahan perlu dilakukan di
> server side menyebabkan sys admin pening kepala.
>
> Saya sebagai developer RoR ( separa masa ) terpaksa menggunakan CakePHP
> sebagai alternatif memandangkan kurangnya local developer untuk rujukan atau
> sebagai pembantu.
>
>
> 2010/10/14 Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa 
>
> Kenapa shared hosting tempatan ?
>> ==
>>
>> Law of physics (read: latency)
>>
>> Pembukaan
>> ==
>> Sebagai web developer, shared hosting termasuk dalam "area of
>> interest" saya sejak 10 tahun lepas. Namun agak menyedihkan dalam
>> tempoh tersebut, saya tidak melihat sebarang inovasi dalam industri
>> shared hosting tempatan. Buat masa sekarang, sekiranya anda ingin host
>> website atau aplikasi web anda di server tempatan, platform anda
>> terhad kepada:-
>>
>> * PHP
>> * ASP.NET
>> * Ruby On Rails (cuma beberapa je yang saya jumpa setakat ini)
>> * Plain CGI - Perl/Python (kebanyakannya masih lagi Python < 2.2 !!)
>>
>> Ini adalah satu sebab kenapa platform seperti Python gagal mendapat
>> tempat dalam lanskap pembangunan web tempatan. Melihat kepada
>> perkembangan yang berlaku kepada PHP dalam tempoh 8 tahun lepas,
>> shared hosting antara pemangkin utama. Saya akui ini merupakan
>> "chicken and egg problem". Tidak banyak penawaran hosting terhadap
>> Python sebab kurangnya developer menggunakan platform ini, developer
>> pula tidak berminat/terpaksa menggunakan platform lain kerana tidak
>> ada shared hosting yang berpatutan utk host aplikasi yang dibangunkan.
>>
>> Sudah sampai masanya saya rasa utk komuniti developer sendiri yang
>> bangun utk membetulkan keadaan ini. Saya tertarik dengan sejarah
>> sebuah syarikat hosting iaitu textdrive (sekarang Joyent). Saya pernah
>> menggunakan perkhidmatan mereka beberapa tahun lepas. Ceritanya boleh
>> baca di http://textusers.com/wiki/History_of_TextDrive. Secara
>> ringkasnya ia juga berkaitan dengan kekecewaan komuniti developers
>> dengan shared hosting dan akhirnya mereka ambil keputusan utk
>> membentuk syarikat hosting sendiri. Textdrive pada masa itu
>> memperkenalkan beberapa inovasi berbanding shared hosting lain pada
>> masa itu:-
>>
>> * Menggunakan webmin sebagai control panel dalam masa semua syarikat
>> lain lebih kepada cpanel.
>> * PHP run as FastCGI - membolehkan PHP dijalankan sebagai user process
>> dan user boleh  supply php.ini sendiri dan tak perlu bergantung kepada
>> php_value settings dalam .htaccess - agak radikal pada masa itu.
>> * Membekalkan sekali DNS hosting - user boleh create dan manage record
>> melalui web panel dan point registrar kepada dns server mereka.
>> * Shell access - juga agak radikal pada masa itu.
>>
>> Penambahbaikan yang perlu
>> =
>> Saya ada membuat catatan sebelum ini apa penambahbaikan yang saya
>> inginkan dalam shared hosting tempatan
>> (http://kamal.smach.net/node/269). Secara ringkasnya ada 2 buat
>> permulaan:-
>>
>> * Isolasi proses - Kebanyakan hosting masih lagi menggunakan mod_php
>> dengan main process utk semua user. Utk membolehkan file upload
>> umpamanya, kena allow write access kepada apache process (www,
>> apache2, nobody etc). Pendekatan ini merupakan fatal flaw (walaupun
>> ada workaround spt php safe_mode dan open_basedir tapi masih lagi ada
>> masalah tersendiri) kerana membuka ruang akses terhadap file kita
>> kepada semua user dalam sistem tersebut.
>>
>> * Sokongan utk platform selain PHP terutama sekali Python (Django,
>> web2py, pylons etc).
>>
>> * Shell access - upload file menggunakan ftp adalah tersangat primitif
>> pada tahun 2010 ni tapi ia masih lagi satu norma dalam shared hosting
>> tempatan. Shell access membenarkan penggunaan deployment tool terkini.
>>
>> Kenapa shared hosting ?
>> ==
>> Mungkin ada yang berpendapat apa yang saya inginkan ini boleh didapati
>> melalui VPS (VPS tempatan juga ada masalah tersendiri tapi mungkin di
>> lain masa). Bagi developer dan bukannya full time sysadmin seperti
>> saya, shared hosting masih lagi pilihan utama. Saya pernah menggunakan
>> VPS sebelum ini tapi akhirnya beralih kembali kepada shared hosting
>> kerana kekangan masa dalam menguruskan server tersebut - upgrade,
>> security patches, firewall etc - semua ini memakan masa dan bagi saya
>> lebih baik diuruskan oleh mereka yang lebih berpengetahuan dan
>> berpengalaman dalam bidang tersebut. Menggunakan shared hosting
>> seperti webfaction cthnya, s

Re: [osdcmy-public] cpu bug on plus minus operations detected

[E A Faisal]

Take a look at http://speleotrove.com/decimal/ for a workaround

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM, simpleLinux <2fz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you reported this bug to the Community?
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Walter Heck - OlinData.com <
> walterh...@olindata.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, that is why MySQL for instance has the data type NUMERIC/DECIMAL
>> as opposed to FLOAT and DOUBLE (See:
>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/numeric-types.html)
>> Also, a lot of programming languages have special datatypes used for
>> storing financial values as they are particularly nasty for rounding
>> errors. Never seen a 0.01 cent difference when Adding a number of
>> items on an invoice programmatically?
>>
>> Walter
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 12:37, Aizuddin a.k.a ak47suk1
>>  wrote:
>> > Hmmm...
>> >
>> > Tested on my lappy, AMD Turion64 X2, Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 64-bit.
>> >
>> > OpenOffice Calc:
>> >
>> > Input: =161001.165-10.009-6.7-1000.456
>> > Output: 0.000557065504835919
>> >
>> > Input: =161001.165+(-10.009-6.7-1000.456)
>> > Output: 0
>> >
>> > Input: =((161001.165-10.009)-6.7)-1000.456
>> > Output: 0.000557065504835919
>> >
>> > MySQL:
>> >
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql> CREATE TABLE `sumtest` (
>> > ->
>> > -> `numbers` double NOT NULL,
>> > ->
>> > -> `group` varchar(3) NOT NULL DEFAULT 'all'
>> > ->
>> > -> );
>> > Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.14 sec)
>> >
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql> INSERT INTO `sumtest` (`numbers`, `group`) VALUES
>> > ->
>> > -> (161001.165, 'all'),
>> > ->
>> > -> (-10.009, 'all'),
>> > ->
>> > -> (-6.7, 'all'),
>> > ->
>> > -> (-1000.456, 'all');
>> > Query OK, 4 rows affected (0.10 sec)
>> > Records: 4  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0
>> >
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql>
>> > mysql> SELECT SUM( `numbers` )
>> > ->
>> > -> FROM `sumtest`
>> > ->
>> > -> WHERE `group` = 'all'
>> > ->
>> > -> GROUP BY `group`;
>> > +--+
>> > | SUM( `numbers` ) |
>> > +--+
>> > | 5.57065504835919e-12 |
>> > +--+
>> > 1 row in set (0.04 sec)
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/9/5 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>> >>
>> >> cool ;-)
>> >>
>> >> i wonder if the bug is identical across all 32bit and 64bit cpu ? or
>> intel
>> >> treats them differently than amd, than sunsparc, than arm ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Walter Heck - OlinData.com
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Usually the programming languages used for those kind of programs have
>> >>> their own datatypes for ultra-high precision floating points. A 32 or
>> >>> 64 bit datatype is not enough for them anyway. They use all kinds of
>> >>> tricks/smart-assing to get around floating point rounding errors.
>> >>>
>> >>> Walter
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Bye Java, Hello C

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> C is the mother of all languages
> Java is its father.
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I guest because the marriage of these 2, all sort of crazy programming
language were born!

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Firefox vs Opera vs Chromiun/Chrome

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I gotta choose Firefox, primarily because of Selenium

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Nadeem  wrote:

> i use ubuntu 9.10 and i use mendeley for citation and making my papers i
> found it as the best software to do so
> and it is compatible with open office
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>> najmi here is the version zotero addon I use with FF3.6.3. hope it will
>> help u.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi <
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>>> saiful, i also use Zotero, but it didn't work with Open Office.
>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 with FF-3.5.8 and OOO 3.1.1
>>> any clue?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:31 AM, saifuladli ismail
>>>  wrote:
>>> > compare firefox with opera and chrome, As a researchers upon of view, I
>>> > select Firefox because it support zotero as add on application to help
>>> > researchers to manage paper and journal citation and bibliography.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:43 AM, fenris  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> hola guys,
>>> >> Firefox vs Opera vs Chromiun/Chrome? yeapp this going to be
>>> interesting
>>> >> Firefox vs Opera vs Chromiun/Chrome hardcores pls put in ur input -
>>> we're
>>> >> interested to see how
>>> >> the battle goes muahahahahaha
>>> >> OSCC is doing a benchmark on those browsers .. things we're looking
>>> at:
>>> >> - scalability
>>> >> - namespace
>>> >> - speed
>>> >> - syntax
>>> >> - does it work well with all programming language? (php, java, html,
>>> >> python n
>>> >> etc)
>>> >> - how about the flash @ pdf compatibility?
>>> >> - look n feel
>>> >> - OS platform supported
>>> >> - .. put ur input here ..
>>> >> of course we're not looking for winner here, only to weigh the pros n
>>> cons
>>> >> for both languages
>>> >> if you have references, please kindly provide ;)
>>> >> thx
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Re: [osdcmy-public] PHP vs Python

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:11 AM, CL Chow  wrote:

> lol Faisal, I don't think you can compare PHP with Python on that lol, it's
> a completely different story XD
>
>
That's exactly what I'm trying to say (hidden point).  You can't really
compare PHP and Python - it's like comparing rambutan and durian. If someone
ask me (and many others), of course I'll be biased towards Python. But it
doesn't mean that PHP is `bad`. If PHP is suited for the task by all means
use PHP. Even I don't use Python when it doesn't make sense, e.g. quick `n
dirty text processing can easily be done using shell script or sed or awk.

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Re: [osdcmy-public] PHP vs Python

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Among the reasons why I don't use PHP are because its a pain to do
asynchronous socket programming (Python have Twisted), stable binding to
DBus, stable binding to WxWidget and stable binding to OO.org UNO.

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Cloud in OSCONF 2010

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Cloud means different thing to different people. There's no standard
definition yet, AFAIK. In general, it's about utilising some resources by a
bunch of machines but seen as one... could be OS stack, could be storage,
CPU time, etc.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:40 PM, archayl  wrote:

> Opp...my bad..typo. RTFM. Google it!
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> On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 21:48 +0800, Muhammad Hafiz wrote:
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> > @archayl : What's 'RTMFed'?
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> > @simpleLinux : Thanks a lot for the answers, appreciated it =) Cheers!
> > =)
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> > cloud is something that is virtual... eg, you could run an
> > operating system virtually. You could also run an operating
> > system remotely using your web browser.
> >
> > example of Cloud Operating Systems:
> >  1. Google Cloud
> >  2. gOS
> >  3. eyeOS
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> > Advanced cloud operating system could enable you to run a
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Open Source Community

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I knew the legion of python.my will storm in when they hear about this :)

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> let's mob haris ;)
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>> Haiya sorry. To many I may overlook. Will update for the next update.
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Re: [osdcmy-public] What you want to see if we had a Open Source Conference in Malaysia?

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private cloud... a hands on, tutorial like session would be nice

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:37 PM, simpleLinux <2fz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> nice..
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM, red1  wrote:
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>>  i think it is 'air basuh tangan'.
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/10 3:36 PM, CL Chow wrote:
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>> i smell dessert
>>
>> Regards,
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>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Mohammad Sallehuddin Kodri <
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>>> it seems you're the only one interested in this. will try for the desert
>>> just for you. ;p
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
>>>
 I want to see microsoft squirm like a worm [?][?]

 On a more serious note, I really hope there'll be:

 1) More high end OSS stuff (like scalling your app to 1000 servers,
 persisting to more than several dbs at a time and still stay consistent, 
 how
 to make stuff blazing fast under crazy load, how to zealously cache your
 distributed system and still keep your data updated, millitary grade
 security, how to design an app with enourmous domain requirement - think
 hundreds of DB tables - and still keep high cohesiveness, low coupling 
 (i.e.
 no spaghetti ER model) and high usability)

 2) Hands on stuff preferably with things stated above

 3) More real world usage of OSS in the industry - preferable outside of
 the usual PHP/Portal stuff (sure, PHP is great to do portal but surely OSS
 has other unexplored niche that we need to expose - PHP for system
 programming anyone? What about a messaging queue in Erlang?)

 4) Less vendor stuff - please, no more 'porting stuff to MS'
 competition.

 5) Highlight the plight of the off-the-mill street-wise OSS
 developer/engineer (I've been one for the last 1 year - and it's not
 pretty). Making a decent living is like hell! (you could get projects tons
 of them, but everyone expect you to charge cheap since you're OSS, plus,
 they'll take a lng time to pay (some still owe me money - after 4 
 months
 now) because you don't really have licensing stuff.

 6) Preferable, all presentators need to present their own contributions
 (in form of code, software, tutorial or what not). They shouldn't just spew
 things you can get directly from the web.

 7) Oh yeah, ice cream for desert :))

 Just my 2 cents

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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: PHP API for JAKIM's e-solat

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As far as I know, JAKIM is using a proper method to calculate. Based from a
few articles by "ahlul falak", both within the country and abroad, the
"ready-made" algorithm spread across the Internet is not "accurate" enough.
There's another variable must be taken into consideration and included in
the algorithm and these variable comes from annual astronomical almanac
(these figures varies from month to month and are deduced by both
observation and calculation as far as I know).

IMHO, it's still best to use JAKIM's takwim (or from jabatan agama) since
they have their own falak unit.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
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> Waalaikumussalam
>
> Saya dah cuba tapi ada beberapa perbezaan
> umumnya ada 5 cara:
>
> 1)Muslim World League
> 2)Egyptian General Authority of Survey (Malaysia guna yang ni)
> 3)University Of Islamic Sciences, Karachi
> 4)Umm Al-Qura
> 5)ISNA
>
> dan untuk pengiraan waktu asar
> 1)standard method
> 2) mazhab hanafi method
>
> dan saya tak pasti JAKIM pakai yang mana. Sebab tu saya minta orang yang
> tahu/berhubung dengan JAKIM untuk mengesahkan algorithm yang tepat, dan jika
> pakai database, maka terpaksalah JAKIM sediakan API atau saya tarik pakai
> curl. API ni boleh dijadikan sebagai module drupal dan joomla.
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:02 PM, linuxmalaysia 
> wrote:
> >
> > Assalamualaikum,
> >
> > The data maybe load to database like MySQL, prepare earlier by manual
> > calculation. This isonly my assumption.
> >
> > You may love this article.
> >
> > http://www.directionsmag.com/article.php?article_id=2956
> >
> > Using Google MAPS Api or any map api to calculate prayer time. You may
> > not using it, but formula for calculation is discuss in the article.
> >
> > 4. Prayer times equations are calculated based on Astronomical
> > Algorithms by Jean Meeus.
> > For example, to calculate the Fajr prayer time, we use the following
> > equation:
> > TF = ACOS ((SIN(-18)-SIN(ASIN(SIN(23.439-0.004*D)*SIN(L +1.915*SIN
> > (M)+0.02*SIN(2*M)))*SIN(Lat))/(COS(ASIN(SIN(23.439-0.004*D)
> > *SIN(L+1.915*SIN(M)+0.02*SIN(2*M)))*COS(Lat)))
> > Where,
> > D = ((367*Y)-(INT((7/4)*(Y+INT((M+9)/12+INT(275*(M/9))+d-730531.5)
> > M = 357.528+0.9856003*D
> >
> >
> > On 3 Jan, 23:08, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar  wrote:
> > > Anyone got contact with e-solat developers athttp://
> www.e-solat.gov.my/MainWS.php?
> > > I like to ask them for PHP API, if any. I can get it done with php-curl
> but
> > > it's better to have an official API for it. I tried to email them but
> don't
> > > get any reply, yet.
> > >
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

Boh, I've invited you.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> hi faisal,
>
> pls include me, bhy...@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:34 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> > Saya ada 22 lagi...cepat cepat for year end invitation...sila bagi tau
> > dengan kadar segera
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Mohd Rizal Haji Atan  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> ad 3 lagi wave
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Mohd Rizal Haji Atan <
> tilm...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> dah invite en hamzah.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Hamzah Abu Samah 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Salam En Shaiful,
> >>>>
> >>>> Boleh invite saye?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/12/13 Amin Shoib 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Salam En Shaiful,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Boleh invite saya?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Terima kasih.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>>  Aminudin Shoibmailto:amin...@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:40:25 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s> Ada yang masih belum miliki wave? saya ada 25 invite yg belum guna
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s> On Nov 30, 8:19 pm, Ajiz Ahmad  wrote:
> >>>>> >> Thanks Mr rizal.
> >>>>> >> Shukran..
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> From: Mohd Rizal Haji Atan 
> >>>>> >> To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> >> Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 7:38:35 PM
> >>>>> >> Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> ok done
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Ajiz Ahmad 
> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> anyone please invite me>azizaham...@gmail.com
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> From: Mahsyar Said 
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> >> >Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 3:21:04 PM
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >>thanks! :)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >On 11/30/09, LyanaHamka  wrote:
> >>>>> >> >mahsya...@gmail.com
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >>dude. invited.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> >--
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> >>>>> >> >Mohamad Mahsyar Bin Mohamed Said
> >>>>> >> >Information and Communication Technology,
> >>>>> >> >University of Technology Petronas- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

I suggest to those who want to be invited to reply to those who offer the
invites personally. BTW, I still have 20 invites. If you want send a
personal message directly to me.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, CL  wrote:

> for anybody who is interested, I have 6 invites left,
> please email, because I am not so active here, thank you :)
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2:57 pm, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar  wrote:
> > Anybody want google wave invitation, please reply to this message with
> > your gmail address, I will invite you, first come first serve only 7
> > invitations left
> >
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

Terlalu ramai yang respond. I lost track of who already got invitations and
who don't :) Anyone still need invitations?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:39 AM,  wrote:

> Noted
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> *Date: *Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:34:10 -0800
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation
>
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> invited already[?]
>
> -kernel...@gmail.com
> -kaibatheleg...@gmail.com
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Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

Saya ada 22 lagi...cepat cepat for year end invitation...sila bagi tau
dengan kadar segera

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Mohd Rizal Haji Atan wrote:

> ad 3 lagi wave
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Mohd Rizal Haji Atan 
> wrote:
>
>> dah invite en hamzah.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Hamzah Abu Samah wrote:
>>
>>> Salam En Shaiful,
>>>
>>> Boleh invite saye?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> 2009/12/13 Amin Shoib 
>>>
>>> Salam En Shaiful,

 Boleh invite saya?

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 Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:40:25 PM, you wrote:

 s> Ada yang masih belum miliki wave? saya ada 25 invite yg belum guna

 s> On Nov 30, 8:19 pm, Ajiz Ahmad  wrote:
 >> Thanks Mr rizal.
 >> Shukran..
 >>
 >> 
 >> From: Mohd Rizal Haji Atan 
 >> To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 >> Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 7:38:35 PM
 >> Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation
 >>
 >> ok done
 >>
 >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Ajiz Ahmad 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> anyone please invite me>azizaham...@gmail.com
 >>
 >> 
 >> From: Mahsyar Said 
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> >To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 >> >Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 3:21:04 PM
 >>
 >> >Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation
 >>
 >> >>thanks! :)
 >>
 >> >On 11/30/09, LyanaHamka  wrote:
 >> >mahsya...@gmail.com
 >>
 >> >>dude. invited.
 >>
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

I want to start testing the "collaboration" features. I guess I'll add you
guys in my contacts.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Adam Othman  wrote:

> Huhu.. dah request dah sebelum neh.. x dpt2 lg.. ~___~
>
>
> Regards,
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> Nik M Adam Hafiz
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> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Harith  wrote:
>
>> Alahai, sori la kwn2...aku dah habis dah..tak tau kwn2 yg lain
>>
>> aku rasa kalau korang request kat google lama niInsyallah dah dpt dah
>> kot..
>> cuba la..
>>
>> https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Adam Othman wrote:
>>
>>> Aiyak... no more left ka? huhu~
>>> if anybody still have a slot.. adam0th...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> TQ
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:12 PM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the nomination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> finish already lah bro..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>>>>
>>>>> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
>>>>> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Mohd Yusnizam Mohamad <
>>>>> myusni...@opensource.org.my> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> invite myusnizam at opensource dot org dot my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>>>>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay guys, here ppl who's invited by me.
>>>>>>> done finish already.
>>>>>>> thank you, btw, i wish u guys will enjoy with google wave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Reply
>>>>>>> Edit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People my nominated:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- hadri.hi...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>- trunas...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>- ridzwa...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>- tipswan...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>- eafai...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>- mynameisam...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>>>>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
>>>>>>> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Amin Mahmood <
>>>>>>> mynameisam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> invite me please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mynameisam...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/16/09, E A Faisal  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Syafiq, pls add me as well eafai...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>>>>>>>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> okay mr. se7en. 1 google wave account done invited to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have a nice day!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2 account more!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>>>>>>>

[osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

Thanks for the nomination.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Muhammad Syafiq
wrote:

> finish already lah bro..
>
>
> محمد شافق بن مذلي
> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>
> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>
> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Mohd Yusnizam Mohamad <
> myusni...@opensource.org.my> wrote:
>
>> invite myusnizam at opensource dot org dot my
>>
>> TQ
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> okay guys, here ppl who's invited by me.
>>> done finish already.
>>> thank you, btw, i wish u guys will enjoy with google wave.
>>>
>>>  Reply
>>> Edit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People my nominated:
>>>
>>>- hadri.hi...@gmail.com
>>>- trunas...@gmail.com
>>>- ridzwa...@gmail.com
>>>- tipswan...@gmail.com
>>>- eafai...@gmail.com
>>>- mynameisam...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>>
>>> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
>>> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>>>
>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Amin Mahmood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> invite me please
>>>>
>>>> mynameisam...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/09, E A Faisal  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My Syafiq, pls add me as well eafai...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>>>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> okay mr. se7en. 1 google wave account done invited to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have a nice day!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 account more!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>>>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
>>>>>> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, se7en  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> add me also.. ridzwa...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>>>>>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> okay, hadri and encik arafat done invited. have a nice day with your
>>>>>>>> google wave account.
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3 account's more!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>>>>>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9C47 367F 03AE 5CCF EB9C
>>>>>>>> 693F 4FCA 7273 A3C3 20BD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <
>>>>>>>> trunas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> add me..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *trunas...@gmail.com*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM, hadri hilmi <
>>>>>>>>> hadri.hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> count me, hadri.hi...@gmail.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
>>>>>>>>>> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>

[osdcmy-public] Re: M$ patent SUDO.. so what now? ( for those who use sudo as their administration tools )

[E A Faisal]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the only way that a software can be patented in malaysia if it is an
> embedded algorithm in an appliance or gadget. something like if the
> algorithm becomes part of the circuits.
>
> else software patents and business method patents are not recognised in
> malaysia.
>

Luckily we're not recognising software patent. I strongly oppose software
patent. I have no problem with software copyright though. Guess we need to
be more vocal in opposing software patent so that policy makers don't make a
wrong move to recognising it.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: M$ patent SUDO.. so what now? ( for those who use sudo as their administration tools )

[E A Faisal]

Crap! What now? Guess we need a biometric retinal-scan-based GUI sudo :P

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Ahmad Arafat Abdullah
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> taken from link sent by Syazwan,
> TQ dude..
>
> *http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390*
>
> --
> # uname -a
> NetBSD  5.0 NetBSD 5.0 (GENERIC) #0: Sun Apr 26 18:50:08 UTC 2009
>  
> bui...@b6.netbsd.org:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-RELEASE/i386/200904260229Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
> i386
>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Google Wave invitation

[E A Faisal]

Sesiapa yang boleh invite, please invite me as well.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Syllabus For Learning Programming

[E A Faisal]

Flow chart should also be included for Sekolah Rendah, alongside Logo and
Alice. Anyone in Tahap Dua has the ability to grasp the concept of flow
chart.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site

[E A Faisal]

Im more incline to agree with having central cloud service.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
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>
> local traffic.
>
> Let propose different way. 30 mil to create one central cloud service
> for Malaysia OSS community to work with and link together.
>
>

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