OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
Anything interesting? Anyone doing cool things with cool stuff that I would have absolutely no idea about? Interested to know. -- silky http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy of being this signature."
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
I came across "Mutation testing" 2 weeks ago. And loved the idea. But didn't dig into it too much yet. *The Idea of "Mutation testing"* How can you trust your tests? Let a tool change your app a little and run all tests. If 1 test fails, because of that change, you had good tests in place... More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_testing and a .NET implementation here http://www.simple-talk.com/dotnet/.net-tools/mutation-testing/ .peter.gfader. http://blog.gfader.com On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 AM, silky wrote: > Anything interesting? Anyone doing cool things with cool stuff that I > would have absolutely no idea about? Interested to know. > > -- > silky > > http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ > > "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy > of being this signature." > -- .peter.gfader. http://blog.gfader.com/ http://twitter.com/peitor
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Peter Gfader wrote: > I came across "Mutation testing" 2 weeks ago. And loved the idea. > But didn't dig into it too much yet. > > The Idea of "Mutation testing" > > How can you trust your tests? > > Let a tool change your app a little and run all tests. > > If 1 test fails, because of that change, you had good tests in place... Heh, that's pretty cute, some sort of fuzzing applied to tests. Don't mind that. Nice one. > More here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_testing > and a .NET implementation here > http://www.simple-talk.com/dotnet/.net-tools/mutation-testing/ > > .peter.gfader. > http://blog.gfader.com -- silky http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy of being this signature."
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
Not exactly new but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on here before Pex automated white box testing. Unit testing for people who don't like writing endless unit tests. Also moles for delegate testing. Been playing around with it for a while and the time savings are good but the learning curve to get the most out of it can be a bit steep. Simon http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/pex/ On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:35 AM, silky wrote: > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Peter Gfader wrote: > > I came across "Mutation testing" 2 weeks ago. And loved the idea. > > But didn't dig into it too much yet. > > > > The Idea of "Mutation testing" > > > > How can you trust your tests? > > > > Let a tool change your app a little and run all tests. > > > > If 1 test fails, because of that change, you had good tests in place... > > Heh, that's pretty cute, some sort of fuzzing applied to tests. Don't > mind that. Nice one. > > > > More here > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_testing > > and a .NET implementation here > > http://www.simple-talk.com/dotnet/.net-tools/mutation-testing/ > > > > .peter.gfader. > > http://blog.gfader.com > > -- > silky > > http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ > > "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy > of being this signature." >
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Simon Reed wrote: > Not exactly new but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on here before Pex > automated white box testing. Unit testing for people who don't like writing > endless unit tests. Also moles for delegate testing. Been playing around > with it for a while and the time savings are good but the learning curve to > get the most out of it can be a bit steep. Cool; also from the list of VS "Power Tools"; this looks pretty cool: http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/271d0904-f178-4ce9-956b-d9bfa4902745 > Simon > > http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/pex/ -- silky http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy of being this signature."
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
+1 to Pex It is awesome for generating test inputs. If another dev comes to you and says: "I am done" You run Pex over those methods and get quite a lot of exceptions ;-) .peter.gfader. http://blog.gfader.com On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, silky wrote: > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Simon Reed > wrote: > > Not exactly new but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on here before > Pex > > automated white box testing. Unit testing for people who don't like > writing > > endless unit tests. Also moles for delegate testing. Been playing around > > with it for a while and the time savings are good but the learning curve > to > > get the most out of it can be a bit steep. > > Cool; also from the list of VS "Power Tools"; this looks pretty cool: > > > http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/271d0904-f178-4ce9-956b-d9bfa4902745 > > > > Simon > > > > http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/pex/ > > -- > silky > > http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ > > "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy > of being this signature." > -- .peter.gfader. http://blog.gfader.com/ http://twitter.com/peitor
Re: OT - So, what's new in the world of programming?
Yeah the first time I ran it over my own code I nearly had a heart attack! On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Peter Gfader wrote: > +1 to Pex > It is awesome for generating test inputs. > > If another dev comes to you and says: "I am done" > You run Pex over those methods and get quite a lot of exceptions ;-) > > .peter.gfader. > http://blog.gfader.com > > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, silky wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Simon Reed >> wrote: >> > Not exactly new but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on here before >> Pex >> > automated white box testing. Unit testing for people who don't like >> writing >> > endless unit tests. Also moles for delegate testing. Been playing around >> > with it for a while and the time savings are good but the learning curve >> to >> > get the most out of it can be a bit steep. >> >> Cool; also from the list of VS "Power Tools"; this looks pretty cool: >> >> >> http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/271d0904-f178-4ce9-956b-d9bfa4902745 >> >> >> > Simon >> > >> > http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/pex/ >> >> -- >> silky >> >> http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ >> >> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy >> of being this signature." >> > > > > -- > > .peter.gfader. > http://blog.gfader.com/ > http://twitter.com/peitor > > >
