Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses?
So Andrea, if the cert 4 isn't being offered through B.I do you know of, or can you recommend a teaching course (ie. how to teach the teacher) suitable for midwives to undertake? I have seen a few around but look to me to be more doula focused/orientated. Or maybe there is a university that you are aware of that has a basic nurse educator course...? I am looking for something that will give me adequate skills to go ahead with active birth classes and other classes :) Blessings, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hello Rachael, As the provider of the Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education I can confirm that it is no longer being offered. However, all is not lost! Birth International is the only Registered Training Organisation (an Australian Government Accredited training provider) in this field, and we are acutely aware that there needs to be a course that will provide educators, both those already working in this area and those wanting to set up programs, with a recognised qualification. At present we are working on a Certificate IV in Childbirth Education, which we expect to launch around mid year. This will be a program of around 350 hours of study, with attendance at a 4 day workshop and an exam. For those with midwifery qualifications, there will be a number of exemptions that will enable the Course to be completed in a few months rather than the nominal year it will take those starting from scratch with no other health related qualifications. It will take less time and cost less money than the Grad Dip, yet incorporate all of the basic skills that the longer course has offered. As soon as we have the details finalised, and the proposed course registered with VETAB, we will be able to begin taking students. I would anticipate the first workshop to be scheduled for around August, 2007. I will make an announcement on this list when the details are on the website and registrations are open. I hope that you do decide to follow your plan to become involved in prenatal education. I am convinced that with better skills and background knowledge parents will be better able to make those important decisions that will determine the outcome of their birth. I am also convinced that educators need training to be able to assist parents develop those skills, and offering a series of lectures (in the style of most classes) is neither appropriate educational practise or effective in terms of achieving its goals. Quality training is the answer, plus plenty of practise, and we hope to be playing a role in both. Good luck with your future plans, Andrea At 03:33 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating doing some more study so that I can do some independent antenatal education. I would love some advice and guidance from the wise ladies/men on this list please. A bit of history about me. I live rurally and have a 6 week oldbaby and a 3y.o, and I am tandem breastfeeding them. I would prefer something that I could study from home, but am prepared to travel if necessary. I have found these courses, but would like to know what else is available, so that I can enrol in the best or most suitable course for me at this stage in my life. As far as I'm aware there is no one who does independent childbirth education in any form in this district or surrounding districts, so I'd have potential to start a business, at least one that is child friendly and I can pick and choose my own hours..oh and no one staff politics!. Like many of you have said working in a hospital setting no longer appeals to me whatsoever. I'd love to work with a MIPP to gain experience as I've only not long graduated my GD of midwifery, but there is no one around this area as I said before., so to make the most of my suitation i think this is a good idea...So tell me what courses are there avaibable, what courses/studies have you done? These are the ones I've looked into. Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education (not available as far as I'm aware) Master of Midwifery. Hypnobirthing
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses?
Hi and thanks Alesa, I have just looked up the CBE course from www.birthinternational.com it seems ok... though probably a bit basic? Will look into it a bit further anyway! :) Kindness, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hi Rachael If you are particularly seeking a Cert IV in assessment and training most TAFE colleges around the country offer this course Cheers Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Rachael Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? So Andrea, if the cert 4 isn't being offered through B.I do you know of, or can you recommend a teaching course (ie. how to teach the teacher) suitable for midwives to undertake? I have seen a few around but look to me to be more doula focused/orientated. Or maybe there is a university that you are aware of that has a basic nurse educator course...? I am looking for something that will give me adequate skills to go ahead with active birth classes and other classes :) Blessings, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hello Rachael, As the provider of the Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education I can confirm that it is no longer being offered. However, all is not lost! Birth International is the only Registered Training Organisation (an Australian Government Accredited training provider) in this field, and we are acutely aware that there needs to be a course that will provide educators, both those already working in this area and those wanting to set up programs, with a recognised qualification. At present we are working on a Certificate IV in Childbirth Education, which we expect to launch around mid year. This will be a program of around 350 hours of study, with attendance at a 4 day workshop and an exam. For those with midwifery qualifications, there will be a number of exemptions that will enable the Course to be completed in a few months rather than the nominal year it will take those starting from scratch with no other health related qualifications. It will take less time and cost less money than the Grad Dip, yet incorporate all of the basic skills that the longer course has offered. As soon as we have the details finalised, and the proposed course registered with VETAB, we will be able to begin taking students. I would anticipate the first workshop to be scheduled for around August, 2007. I will make an announcement on this list when the details are on the website and registrations are open. I hope that you do decide to follow your plan to become involved in prenatal education. I am convinced that with better skills and background knowledge parents will be better able to make those important decisions that will determine the outcome of their birth. I am also convinced that educators need training to be able to assist parents develop those skills, and offering a series of lectures (in the style of most classes) is neither appropriate educational practise or effective in terms of achieving its goals. Quality training is the answer, plus plenty of practise, and we hope to be playing a role in both. Good luck with your future plans, Andrea At 03:33 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating
Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Great reply!! It makes me so mad when the facts are ill presented. It is no wonder women enter into pregnancy with some truely warped ideas. I have written into many tv shows when they talk about the positives and negatives of breastfeeding (like there are really negatives???) and csect birth vs vaginal birth. Mainly, it is like hitting my head against a brick wall...but it makes me feel better. GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes __ NOD32 2099 (20070306) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Hi Belinda, you poor thing! I'm not sure if you use essential oils (I'm a bit of a oil queen). But you could try clove, thyme, oregano, tea tree, melaleuca ericifolia, manuka, cassia cinnamon bark. If you get them through young living essential oils they have some blends call purification, melrose, exodusII and Theives. Dilute 50-50 and apply 2-3 drops on the boils 3-6 times daily. You sound like you could be a bit run down too, i'd recommend seeing a naturopath and also taking some acidophils (?sp) after the antibiotics. I never realized you had another baby...congratulations!! Love, Rachael - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:51 PM Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on treating boils. Started about 18/40 (second pregnancy..none with first). Glucose at 28/40 fine. Drs said it was due to pregnancy. Had several courses of oral ab's, two treatments of bactroban nasally. (partner and 2yo daughter also treated with nasal ab at this time). Bath in detol/phisohex. Baby now 11 weeks, breastfeeding, and I currently have four boils. All have been on the right hand side of body. Take pregnancy and breastfeeding vitamin daily. (have had 15-20 in past 6 months.and don't want yet another dose of ab's) Any suggestions on experience/treatment greatly appreciated. Thanks Belinda __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Selangor is located at Nambour on the sunshine coast in QLD :) It IS a great place! :) - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived
Congradulations Philippa, such beautiful news. Welcome earthside little Serena. Enjoy your baby moon! Love, Rachael - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Alan Linda Trewern ; Anke ; Cathy Styles ; CBI Students ; Debbie Holland ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Emma Chadwick ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; MARIE MCAULIFFE ; 'Mary Emeleus' ; Melissa Hooper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery ; Shelley Todd ; Teri Shilling ; Tracy and Michael Alloway ; Tracy Cox Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived Hi all, I thought you would all like to know that Serena Esther Scott was born gently and beautifully into the water at home on 1/02/2007. She was a lovely 9pnd 7oz or 4280grams (my biggest by far). It was a perfect birth for us with no tears or bleeds or anything else to necessitate the need for assistance. As you can imagine I am on a high. Alana Brianna watched with awe and excitement and are talking about it lot. It was so wonderful to have them there. Trevor is finally convinced home water birth is the way to go, he was terrific. All my women folk where as amazing as I knew they would be I am so blessed to have friends such as these. The experience would not have been the same with out them. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Breech vaginal prolapse
MessageMy cousin is pregnant with her 3rd baby. She has had previous inductions (because the baby was too big! AHH! Such nonsense) Anyway, she torn terribly both times requiring to go to OT to suture her. She is under a private Ob. THis pregnancy she has a prolapse and the baby is breech. She is only aboutr 34 weeks or so and they have virtually told her she NEEDS a c-sect. I imagine they think the baby is too big to turn? She told me it is already in teh 95th percentile. To me this is utter medical nonsense. When I tried to ask her why she needed a c-sect she didn't really know whether it was for the breech or for the prolapse. In my experience neither is a problem, breech babies can be born vaginally, and prolapses can spontaneously pull up in labour so that the woman can then birth. She says if they 'allow' her to labour, they want her induced so that she does't have to travel in labour (only 1.5 hours to hosp). Why would this be? (besides the fact that they'd want to medically manage everything?) Is this lady going off to the slaughter blindfolded or does she 'need' induction or surgery? Thoughts appreciated. Rachael
Re: [ozmidwifery] Transverse baby
Hi Jassy, My cousin recently asked me the same question and I complied a list of resources from her also, i predominately got them from Joyous Birth. It is never to late for a baby to turn, some turn in labour :) Hope this helps. Rachael Methods of Turning Breech Babies a.. Acupuncture b.. Moxa Sticks c.. swimming, d.. cold peas low on the abdomen e.. Chiropractic manipulation (Webster's technique), (must have experience with working with pregnant women) f.. Visualisation (imagine baby turning) g.. talking to baby, h.. playing music low on the abdomen, i.. Turning somersaults in a pool. j.. Lying on an ironing board (or other flat surface) that is tilted so feet are higher than head. k.. Some believe that babies turn breech when their mother is sad; the baby puts its head up next to its mum's heart to comfort her. Is an emotional issue getting in the way? If so you might have to work through it to turn baby. l.. Reflexology (a simple technique on the toes) There is a reflexologist here is Theodore, someone Smoothy. m.. Yoga, Pilates n.. Relax! o.. Ob can do a external cephalic version Breech Resources www.aims.org.uk Birthing a baby by the breech at home. Beech B. AIMS Journal, Vol 14, No 2, 2002, p4-5 Coroner's inquiry into a breech ***y. Beech B. AIMS Journal, Vol 14, No 2 2002 p19-20 Breech Presentation - Caesarean operation versus normal birth Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p1-4 Natural, Active Breech Birth. Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p5 Keep Your Hands off the Breech. Cronk M. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3 1998, p6-8 Why are some babies breech? Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p8-9. Turning Point for the Breech? Thomas P. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p12-13 And this is the list of breech info I use One midwife's collection of breech turning info. http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechcl.html Attending a breech birth. http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechbr.html Turning a breech. http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechtn.html Book review on breech babies. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/reviews/breech.asp Ina May Gaskin on catching surprise breech babies! http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...isebreeches.asp Homeopathy to turn babies in utero. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/turnbaby.asp A great site on moving breech babies. http://www.spinningbabies.com A Natural Breech Birth - hospital http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBMarApr01p47.html More than you could ever hope for from the UK midwives http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/breech.htm About 500 birth stories with clear descriptions. http://www.breechbabies.com/hospital_breech.htm International Caesarean Awareness Network http://www.ican-online.org/ Caesarean Awareness Network Australia http://www.canaustralia.net/ Make sure you visit~ http://www.spinningbabies.com/pregnancy.html Lovely story! Home breech lotus birth! http://www.birthwell.com.au/birth_stories_priya.html Try and get hold of the book Breech Wise by Maggies Banks - Original Message - From: nunyara To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Transverse baby Hi to all, I would just like to say thanks for all the responses I received to me previous questions on Strep B. I now have another issue I would appreciate any advise on. I am coming up to 35 weeks pregnant and the baby is still lying transverse. Should I be worried about this? It is my second baby. I have started hypnobirthing and I am aware this may help and will have a session of acupuncture next week but in the experience of a midwife is there still plenty of time for the baby to move down? At my last appointment with the midwives a week ago they said I still had plenty of room. Is it normal for babies to make this sudden turn in the last coupled of weeks? Kind Regards, Jassy __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your frustrations?
Thanks Melissa. I have now checked out the counselling diploma through the aust. institute of professional counsellors. Thanks again for the info :) Rachael - Original Message - From: Melissa To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your frustrations? You could learn pregnancy massage and some of the natural therapies. Try the Australian College of Natural Therapies. Or a counselling degree / diploma - this complements midwifery very nicely. Try the Australian Institute of Professional Counsellors - I know they run a distance education course. A certificate IV in work place assessment and training is always handy to have. Melissa Maimann Essential Birth Consulting Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0400 418 448 -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Thursday 11 January 2007 15:34 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating doing some more study so that I can do some independent antenatal education. I would love some advice and guidance from the wise ladies/men on this list please. A bit of history about me. I live rurally and have a 6 week oldbaby and a 3y.o, and I am tandem breastfeeding them. I would prefer something that I could study from home, but am prepared to travel if necessary. I have found these courses, but would like to know what else is available, so that I can enrol in the best or most suitable course for me at this stage in my life. As far as I'm aware there is no one who does independent childbirth education in any form in this district or surrounding districts, so I'd have potential to start a business, at least one that is child friendly and I can pick and choose my own hours..oh and no one staff politics!. Like many of you have said working in a hospital setting no longer appeals to me whatsoever. I'd love to work with a MIPP to gain experience as I've only not long graduated my GD of midwifery, but there is no one around this area as I said before., so to make the most of my suitation i think this is a good idea...So tell me what courses are there avaibable, what courses/studies have you done? These are the ones I've looked into. Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education (not available as far as I'm aware) Master of Midwifery. Hypnobirthing Practitioner training Calmbirthing practitioner training ICEA: CBE course Bradely Method ABA community educator course IBLCE lactaion course Natural Birth Education Research Center: G.D (or G.C) of natural birth Infant Massage Instructor training Over time I would love to do a number of these to cater to the wide and varying needs of childbearing women and their families. But for now, I'd love to hear some advice and recommendations from you! PLEASE!! TIA, Rachael __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses?
Hi Again Andrea, I know you are working hard to get this course finished, but I have a few questions (I hope that is OK?). Is there any where online where I can find out more about the certificate IV in childbirth education? Is the course locked into university semester timetables or can it be started at any time? Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hello Rachael, As the provider of the Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education I can confirm that it is no longer being offered. However, all is not lost! Birth International is the only Registered Training Organisation (an Australian Government Accredited training provider) in this field, and we are acutely aware that there needs to be a course that will provide educators, both those already working in this area and those wanting to set up programs, with a recognised qualification. At present we are working on a Certificate IV in Childbirth Education, which we expect to launch around mid year. This will be a program of around 350 hours of study, with attendance at a 4 day workshop and an exam. For those with midwifery qualifications, there will be a number of exemptions that will enable the Course to be completed in a few months rather than the nominal year it will take those starting from scratch with no other health related qualifications. It will take less time and cost less money than the Grad Dip, yet incorporate all of the basic skills that the longer course has offered. As soon as we have the details finalised, and the proposed course registered with VETAB, we will be able to begin taking students. I would anticipate the first workshop to be scheduled for around August, 2007. I will make an announcement on this list when the details are on the website and registrations are open. I hope that you do decide to follow your plan to become involved in prenatal education. I am convinced that with better skills and background knowledge parents will be better able to make those important decisions that will determine the outcome of their birth. I am also convinced that educators need training to be able to assist parents develop those skills, and offering a series of lectures (in the style of most classes) is neither appropriate educational practise or effective in terms of achieving its goals. Quality training is the answer, plus plenty of practise, and we hope to be playing a role in both. Good luck with your future plans, Andrea At 03:33 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating doing some more study so that I can do some independent antenatal education. I would love some advice and guidance from the wise ladies/men on this list please. A bit of history about me. I live rurally and have a 6 week oldbaby and a 3y.o, and I am tandem breastfeeding them. I would prefer something that I could study from home, but am prepared to travel if necessary. I have found these courses, but would like to know what else is available, so that I can enrol in the best or most suitable course for me at this stage in my life. As far as I'm aware there is no one who does independent childbirth education in any form in this district or surrounding districts, so I'd have potential to start a business, at least one that is child friendly and I can pick and choose my own hours..oh and no one staff politics!. Like many of you have said working in a hospital setting no longer appeals to me whatsoever. I'd love to work with a MIPP to gain experience as I've only not long graduated my GD of midwifery, but there is no one around this area as I said before., so to make the most of my suitation i think this is a good idea...So tell me what courses are there avaibable, what courses/studies have you done? These are the ones I've looked into. Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education (not available as far as I'm aware) Master of Midwifery. Hypnobirthing Practitioner training Calmbirthing practitioner training ICEA: CBE course Bradely Method ABA community educator course IBLCE lactaion course Natural Birth Education Research Center: G.D (or G.C) of natural birth Infant Massage Instructor training Over time I would love to do a number of these to cater to the wide and varying needs of childbearing women and their families. But for now, I'd love to hear some advice and recommendations from you! PLEASE!! TIA, Rachael -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by
[ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating doing some more study so that I can do some independent antenatal education. I would love some advice and guidance from the wise ladies/men on this list please. A bit of history about me. I live rurally and have a 6 week oldbaby and a 3y.o, and I am tandem breastfeeding them. I would prefer something that I could study from home, but am prepared to travel if necessary. I have found these courses, but would like to know what else is available, so that I can enrol in the best or most suitable course for me at this stage in my life. As far as I'm aware there is no one who does independent childbirth education in any form in this district or surrounding districts, so I'd have potential to start a business, at least one that is child friendly and I can pick and choose my own hours..oh and no one staff politics!. Like many of you have said working in a hospital setting no longer appeals to me whatsoever. I'd love to work with a MIPP to gain experience as I've only not long graduated my GD of midwifery, but there is no one around this area as I said before., so to make the most of my suitation i think this is a good idea...So tell me what courses are there avaibable, what courses/studies have you done? These are the ones I've looked into. Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education (not available as far as I'm aware) Master of Midwifery. Hypnobirthing Practitioner training Calmbirthing practitioner training ICEA: CBE course Bradely Method ABA community educator course IBLCE lactaion course Natural Birth Education Research Center: G.D (or G.C) of natural birth Infant Massage Instructor training Over time I would love to do a number of these to cater to the wide and varying needs of childbearing women and their families. But for now, I'd love to hear some advice and recommendations from you! PLEASE!! TIA, Rachael
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
I did some prac work when I was studying my midwifery degree at selangor. It is a beautiful hospital and the obs there are generally most considerate. I believe though they do struggle with c-sect rates? Lynn Staff could tell you if she's reading? Doing my prac at selangor confirmed my belief that natural birth is possible and achievable for most women. Prior to my practice at selangor, i had only witnessed very obstetric managed births by both midwives and obs... most disheartening. Though, I admidt many of my student peers weren't afraid to do a unnecessary VE's or CTG, or other monitoring :( I am proud to admit that I have only ever done 3 VE's in my career so far, and have been taught the skills (thanks to the selangor midwives) and the cues to watch for without doing ve's.. I spend lots of time debriefing on forums, like JB., when I get so disheartened when a friend or rellie chooses a obstetric model of care, in many ways I feel as though I have failed them, but in reality they are adults and can make up there own minds. baby crying..bye Rachael - Original Message - From: nunyara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? I agree with this in a general sense, however I don't think we can put all ob's in the same basket. I am having my baby at Selangor in February which is a private hospital but run sort of like a birth centre. There is a midwife clinic but to have access to this service you must be under the care of an OB. I at first was not so sure about this as I did want a homebirth with NO MEN bar my husband involved but this service is not available to me where I live. After my first visit I had changed my mind. I no longer have any fears about not being in control of my birth as my MALE OB fully supports my choice to have a water birth in fact he encourages it, (yes still available here)and to be in total control of my natural birth. I was even told by one of the midwife's that he will just stand aside during the birth, does not intervene unless absolutely necessary and leaves the midwife's to perform there duties. He is the most caring, friendly, gentle man who is open to alternatives and has an understanding of women that is rarely seen in Male OBS. He has respected all of my decisions to reject blood tests, strep B testing, internal exams during labour, hep B shots for baby, Vit K for baby and heel prick test - he didn't even bat an eyelid when I said I want none of this. I am very lucky to have had his care and it would be nice if more men in these positions were to take on this kind of thinking. He trusts us as women and believes that it is our choice and as long as we are informed about the choices we make he will fully support you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 9:19 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my opinion) levels of care. What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an obstetrician. They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, monitoring, for the just in case ignorant way of thinking. They end up having highly intervened vaginal births (but they see as 'natural birth' because it is vaginal) or worse a necessary unnecessary cs. Does this make sense? I have been up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home! OK so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra knowledge helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops women from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong? AHH!! How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in social conversatin without lecturing them? Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my opinion) levels of care. What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an obstetrician. They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, monitoring, for the just in case ignorant way of thinking. They end up having highly intervened vaginal births (but they see as 'natural birth' because it is vaginal) or worse a necessary unnecessary cs. Does this make sense? I have been up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home! OK so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra knowledge helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops women from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong? AHH!! How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in social conversatin without lecturing them? Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour
Hi Helen, Have you heard of EmPact Sports Drink produced by Mannatech? Unlike popular sports drinks that offer minimal benefits and trigger the release of insulin, Mannatech's EM.PACT® is formulated specifically to help provide biochemicals for your body to increase oxygen uptake capacity and reduce blood lactate levels, allowing an increase in workout intensity and duration, to help you perform in peak condition. Here is a product infomation page which explains the benefits: http://www.mannapages.com/sharethegift/AUS/PRDpdf/AUS193.pdf The Mannatech products are widely researched, and are well known for their glyconutrient supplements. Here are a few of the research links, I haven't looked, but would compare a labouring woman to a marathon runner/athleit :) http://www.glycoexpert.com/ http://www.glycoresearch.com/ http://www.livingsugars.com/index.htm I have been having a drink of this since I gave birth a couple of weeks ago and feel it always boosts my energy levels,it was especially good after labour when I was so exhausted! I hope this helps, if you would like more info, I have stacks of sites I can email you, and I also know some people that are very up to date with their research on glyconutritional health. Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour Is anyone recommending women use sports drinks such as Poweraid etc when in labour? I have read some good evidence to suggest it is better than water in long labours but don't have the source at my fingertipsinterested in your thoughts/findings. I figure anything that can help keep a woman from tiring and being labelled by doctors as a fail to progress has got to be worth a try as long as it is evidence based. Helen __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour
Hi Andrea, You can buy directly from the company. If you go to www.mannatech.com then click on products, then click on shopping cart. It is $52 as an associate (meaning you have to join) or $63 as a retail customer. Unless you are buying lots of product regularly, it probably isn't worth being a member. The sugar is a complex of 8 essential sugars, not cane sugar. They are vital for cellular health. There is heaps of info on the web sites I listed earlier, to much for me to go into detail just here. The research on glyconutrients has won nobel prizes :) so plenty of evidenced based stuff to search for. Rachael - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour Where do you buy it and how much does it cost, I am wary of commercial sports drinks because of the amount of sugar in them and the insulin dumping that occurs. Andrea On 09/12/2006, at 11:58 AM, Dan Rachael Austin wrote: Hi Helen, Have you heard of EmPact Sports Drink produced by Mannatech? Unlike popular sports drinks that offer minimal benefits and trigger the release of insulin, Mannatech’s EM•PACT® is formulated specifically to help provide biochemicals for your body to increase oxygen uptake capacity and reduce blood lactate levels, allowing an increase in workout intensity and duration, to help you perform in peak condition. Here is a product infomation page which explains the benefits: http://www.mannapages.com/sharethegift/AUS/PRDpdf/AUS193.pdf The Mannatech products are widely researched, and are well known for their glyconutrient supplements. Here are a few of the research links, I haven't looked, but would compare a labouring woman to a marathon runner/athleit :) http://www.glycoexpert.com/ http://www.glycoresearch.com/ http://www.livingsugars.com/index.htm I have been having a drink of this since I gave birth a couple of weeks ago and feel it always boosts my energy levels,it was especially good after labour when I was so exhausted! I hope this helps, if you would like more info, I have stacks of sites I can email you, and I also know some people that are very up to date with their research on glyconutritional health. Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour Is anyone recommending women use sports drinks such as Poweraid etc when in labour? I have read some good evidence to suggest it is better than water in long labours but don't have the source at my fingertipsinterested in your thoughts/findings. I figure anything that can help keep a woman from tiring and being labelled by doctors as a fail to progress has got to be worth a try as long as it is evidence based. Helen __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne
Hi! I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night of labour. Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz. She is beautiful and adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :) Love, Rachaelxx _ Dan Rachael Austin Namcala 418 Austin's Road Theodore, QLD, 4719 HPh: (07) 49931213 Dan's Mob: 0409896285 Rachael's Mob: 0419750780 Fax: (07) 49931341
Re: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins
My Essential oil book says that Helichrysum helps to dissolve the coagulated blood in the surrounding tissue and the Cypress helps to strengthen capillary walls. They recommend 2 drops of each, then dilute as necessary. It would have to be diluted down reasonably well in a vege oil though to use near the vulva though I imagine. OtherEO's which are beneficial include: wintergreen/birch, basil, peppermint, lemon and lavender. You can get 100% theapeutic grade organic essential oils from Young Living (www.youngliving.com.au) or from New Directions (www.newdirections.com.au). I hope this is of some help. Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins Can anyone offer another remedy to help ease these besides external witch hazel? Thanks, Kristin 110,000+ cars with the click of a mouse at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Hi Kristin, The Australian Vaccination Network (AVN) (http://www.avn.org.au/) and Think Twice: Global Vaccine Institue (http://www.thinktwice.com/) are 2 online resources that I am aware of. The Informed Voice Magazine (formally Informed Choice), may have something in back issues worth looking up. There is certainly another side of the coin when it comes to vaccines and parents should be able to have access to all the literature for and against :) Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
