Re: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Sheena the Aropax wouldn't be a problem and in these circumstance should not go off them. I would try expressing and finger feeding so the baby relearns to feed comfortably feel satisfied and to start putting on weight. I have dealt with many serious and distressing cases of refusal and so far have been successful with them. It needs the scream try to feed scream frustration and finally sleep (not well usually) cycle to be broken. I start by finger feeding the baby until she is full for a few feeds (breast milk preferably). Mum can do this with the baby skin to skin (or dad or grandma). This helps ease some tension which is usually going on by now in that mums usually feel quite helpless and distraught and worried and confused etc etc!! So after about 12 24 hours or more if needed start the feed next to the breast and after a small amount of food slip the baby on to the breast (easier said than done often!, good attachment is sill essential otherwise feeding will remain a trauma). If the baby starts to get upset then cease and finish with a finger feed. This is done slowly but depends on the babys reaction. Some get very distraught so you would try only once each feed until they stayed calm and some get a bit restless but can try a few times in the one feed. The main thing is to re teach the baby she can get comfort and food at the breast without fighting. I know this is long and am happy to talk to you about this (0883692338) as I have successfully worked with many very difficult cases. Finger feeding is a specific technique as well so let me know if you need more info. There is also a way which involved bathing with the baby but many of my clients have not had access to one so it is not something I am confident discussing. It can be overcome good luck Belinda - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 September, 2002 6:47 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast Hi List Ruby Rainbow our 10 week old (3 weeks prem) baby grand-daughter is now refusing the breast most feeds. We have been through colic and reflux. Mum has had mastitis twice and a vaginal infection. Ruby started to refuse the breast the same time that her Mum started her ?period. She has had an ultra sound that is inconclusive, the doctor says that what is showing could just be the uterus involuting, but the Mum says that babe has been refusing the breast since she has been losing blood. Have also resorted to glycerine on the dummy and on the nipple to entice her to feed. She only put on a couple of ounces last week. Babe seems to feed ok during the night, but in the daytime, starts crying and won't feed. Any advice out there. I favour going back to her obstetrician and asking for a second opinion on the ultrasound reading. This Mum is on Aropax 30mg a day. Appreciate any advice going Thanks Sheena Johnson
RE: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Hi Sheena, If position is part of the problem, then an Osteopath with expertise in cranium work could rule out discomfort to the baby. Also good for all aspects of the body, including reflux. Worth a try Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Hi Sheena, Im really cautious about recommending anything but breast, as despite my desire to the contrary, my one year-old had to be bottle-fed from six weeks (for reasons too personal to go into here). I was advised by our paed to give her S26 Gold, a very reassuring name with lots of scientific-sounding jargon on the label to allay an anxious mothers fears. Still deferring to medical opinion (being in a highly suggestible post-partum state), I fed her this and several other formulas until it became clear that her digestion was being seriously compromised by drinking it. Each brand produced the same result: projectile reflux, nasty-smelling nappies, skin problems etc. I then went with what I had been advised against since suggesting it. I talked it over with my husband, who was very keen to try it. Its called Barley Formula. You make it yourself. Its almost totally organic, if you get the right ingredients, and is as close to mothers milk as you can get, in my humble opinion. It worked for my little one. She became a happy, thriving little girl. She inherited eczema from one or both sides of my family, and has some other medical issues that are genetic in origin, so shes a very sensitive little possum, but barley formula confounded many who pooh-poohed it. I also happen to personally know at least 10 people who have had total success with it and have anecdotal evidence of success with hundreds more. If you really need to supplement, please consider this formula. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Ill write out the recipe for you and explain more about it off-list, if you wish to know. In the meantime, good luck, I hope Ruby goes from strength to strength. Regards, Lyn Cottee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheena Johnson Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 7:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast Hi List Ruby Rainbow our 10 week old (3 weeks prem) baby grand-daughter is now refusing the breast most feeds. We have been through colic and reflux. Mum has had mastitis twice and a vaginal infection. Ruby started to refuse the breast the same time that her Mum started her ?period. She has had an ultra sound that is inconclusive, the doctor says that what is showing could just be the uterus involuting, but the Mum says that babe has been refusing the breast since she has been losing blood. Have also resorted to glycerine on the dummy and on the nipple to entice her to feed. She only put on a couple of ounces last week. Babe seems to feed ok during the night, but in the daytime, starts crying and won't feed. Any advice out there. I favour going back to her obstetrician and asking for a second opinion on the ultrasound reading. This Mum is on Aropax 30mg a day. Appreciate any advice going Thanks Sheena Johnson
RE: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Have you tried giving her a bottle of Expressed Breast milk - is it the taste of the milk that has put her off? I would try to look at the mothers diet - has it changed - may be a coincidence with the bleeding? As has been said before garlic is good to help to flavour breat milk. If it is the flavour that is - if she takes it out of the bottle then it may be just a flow problem - wanting a faster flow - different possitions can help this and there is a preasure spot on the shoulder that if pressed when feeding helps with let down. I have found this often helps when babies wont settle quickly at the breast - Mum becomes tense and this slows the let down so baby gets irritated and you have acatch 22. If you push on this area firm but gently it seems to create an instant small let down of milk which gets baby going and then Mum relaxes and problem solved. It is about 4 fingers from the neck. Works wonders! Hope that helps. I also believe that if things do not work out after many efforts at breast feeding - that the babies health is more important than "breat feeding at all costs" and if baby needs formula and wont take anything else then so be it. We have these things here to help in cases where they are actually needed and if baby is starving then finding an alternative in formula is better than having a small sick child. Nobody should feel guilty about using formula when it is necessary - we all know that ultimately 'breast is best' but we alsoneed to remembercommon sence. Good Luck. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 20, 2002 21:06:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast Hi Sheena, Im really cautious about recommending anything but breast, as despite my desire to the contrary, my one year-old had to be bottle-fed from six weeks (for reasons too personal to go into here). I was advised by our paed to give her S26 Gold, a very reassuring name with lots of scientific-sounding jargon on the label to allay an anxious mothers fears. Still deferring to medical opinion (being in a highly suggestible post-partum state), I fed her this and several other formulas until it became clear that her digestion was being seriously compromised by drinking it. Each brand produced the same result: projectile reflux, nasty-smelling nappies, skin problems etc. I then went with what I had been advised against since suggesting it. I talked it over with my husband, who was very keen to try it. Its called Barley Formula. You make it yourself. Its almost totally organic, if you get the right ingredients, and is as close to mothers milk as you can get, in my humble opinion. It worked for my little one. She became a happy, thriving little girl. She inherited eczema from one or both sides of my family, and has some other medical issues that are genetic in origin, so shes a very sensitive little possum, but barley formula confounded many who pooh-poohed it. I also happen to personally know at least 10 people who have had total success with it and have anecdotal evidence of success with hundreds more. If you really need to supplement, please consider this formula. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Ill write out the recipe for you and explain more about it off-list, if you wish to know. In the meantime, good luck, I hope Ruby goes from strength to strength. Regards, Lyn Cottee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheena JohnsonSent: Friday, 20 September 2002 7:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast Hi List Ruby Rainbow our 10 week old (3 weeks prem) baby grand-daughter is now refusing the breast most feeds. We have been through colic and reflux. Mum has had mastitis twice and a vaginal infection. Ruby started to refuse the breast the same time that her Mum started her ?period. She has had an ultra sound that is inconclusive, the doctor says that what is showing could just be the uterus involuting, but the Mum says that babe has been refusing the breast since she has been losing blood. Have also resorted to glycerine on the dummy and on the nipple to entice her to feed. She only put on a couple of ounces last week. Babe seems to feed ok during the night, but in t
Re: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Some years ago, I went to a conference (in London) about prenatal influences. Peter Hepper gave a talk about his research on prenatal influences, including babies recognition of sound heard before birth - particularly the "neighbours" theme tune :-) However, he did speculate that part of the bonding process includes the fact that - in utero - the baby swallows amniotic fluid, and that the fluid is very similar in taste to breastmilk. Thus, when the baby first tastes breastmilk, he recognises the taste from his previous experience of swallowing amniotic fluid. The taste in amniotic (as with breastmilk) is influenced by the mothers diet, and it is therefore important that mothers do not change their diet significantly after birth as the baby will find it "difficult" to recognise the breastmilk as coming from his mother. Obviously, it's not the only factor. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
