Re: [PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Cool, glad it's useful :)  As usual, it's always good to see video or  
hear audio of Pd performances.

.hc

On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Phil Stone wrote:

> Thanks for the effort, all of you, making this wonderful thing  
> called Pd
> work so well (on the Mac, especially).  I performed with my group last
> night using nothing but Pd, from the OSC-network processing to the  
> audio
> synthesis, and it handled it all beautifully, as I have come to  
> expect.
>
>
> Phil Stone
>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back!  Tomorrow's build will
>> include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window
>> more Mac OS X-style.
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest
>>
>> Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi
>> and marius.  They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some
>> notable improvements to the build process.  10.5 builds seem to work
>> on 10.4 ok.
>>
>> .hc
>>
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Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data

[Andy Farnell]

Great stuff Rich!! Amazingly powerful music and sound fx making
potential with sdif files. Thanks for sharing these sounds
and patches.

a.



On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:34:37 -0700
"Rich E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> www.teafordragons.com/rte/trax.html
> 
> This is a patch I've been working on for quite some time now, finally
> packaged with some documentation and an example qlist with it.  Trax
> is a fancy additive synthesizer that stores partials in data
> structures and re-synthesizes them using [oscbank~].  It gets the
> sinusoidal models from SDIF files with 1TRC frames, which have to be
> imported with [sdiflists].  I'd like to know how well it works for
> others, it makes great sounds on my Ubuntu laptop, although I had much
> worse results on a Macbook.
> 
> You can get the externals from cvs or:
> www.teafordragons.com/rte/software.html
> 
> I personall control Trax with a Wacom Intuos3, so there are mappings
> programmed for it that get wacom data using [linuxevent].  *note: I
> chose not to use [hid] because it is possible to call the wacom with
> [linuxevent /dev/input/wacom], which is always symbolically linked to
> the correct /dev/input/event*.  I couldn't ever get [hid] to do find
> the wacom on its own, without specifying exactly which event number it
> is on.
> 
> You can also listen to a couple pieces I wrote using Trax, which also
> use other fun Pd stuff and recorded in Ardour:
> www.teafordragons.com/rte/music.html
> 
> Now, on to SMS, Spectral Model Synthesis, that is..
> 
> cheers,
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Re: [PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back

[Phil Stone]

Thanks for the effort, all of you, making this wonderful thing called Pd 
work so well (on the Mac, especially).  I performed with my group last 
night using nothing but Pd, from the OSC-network processing to the audio 
synthesis, and it handled it all beautifully, as I have come to expect.


Phil Stone


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back!  Tomorrow's build will  
> include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window  
> more Mac OS X-style.
>
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest
>
> Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi  
> and marius.  They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some  
> notable improvements to the build process.  10.5 builds seem to work  
> on 10.4 ok.
>
> .hc
>
>  
> 
>
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Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition

[cristiano listas]

thanks all for reply,


the best performance I ever heard using musical pattern recognition was by
> the trombone player george lewis
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lewis_(trombonist)
> he uses a max patch called voyager. I have no idea how it works, maybe you
> find some documentation online. he worked on it for several years. and it
> was extremely good.
> marius.


thanks a lot, in this
paper,George
talk about the voyager programming in the FORMULA  language, some
interesting insights, thinking buy the cd



Have begun to look Nick Collins work (bbcut), that looks to be very good
with supercollider.

Looks that legato notes are a problem with fiddle~.  Maybe  a output mix of
fiddle~ and fft~? just guessing.


I think that the length of the pattern to be recognized should be variable,
but following the "common sense" concept of motif: 3 to 10 notes.

The motif is a rythmic/melodic pattern - i will think rythm and melody
separately, but in some moment they will interact i still don't figure out
how.

Aubio semms great, i will try a binary that i found
here.

Looks like i have a lot of work to do.

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Re: [PD] compiling pd in fedora

[Jaime Oliver]

thanks all

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Dan Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 19:00 -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote:
>
> hello all,
>
> I am compiling pd in fedora and it all seems to go well until I run pd as
> following and get the error. Pd seems to be running, but there is no gui, am
> i missing something?:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./pd
> priority 98 scheduling enabled.
> ../bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.5.so: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
>
> You are missing the libtk8.5 library ... install it via yum.  It's needed
> for the gui.
>
>  priority 96 scheduling enabled.
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
>
>
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[PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back!  Tomorrow's build will  
include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window  
more Mac OS X-style.

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest

Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi  
and marius.  They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some  
notable improvements to the build process.  10.5 builds seem to work  
on 10.4 ok.

.hc

 


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Re: [PD] stderr printout

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yes, that sounds like a very useful patch.  I don't recall seeing it  
in the patch tracker.  Can you post it?  I'd like to try to include  
it into Pd-extended.

.hc

On Apr 27, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Thomas Grill wrote:

> Hi,
> i don't know if the console hook patch ever made it into vanilla pd.
> With this it's easy to write an external which spits out the console
> output... we use this feature in vibrez extensively.
> gr~~~
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Re: [PD] stderr printout

[Thomas Grill]

Hi,
i don't know if the console hook patch ever made it into vanilla pd.
With this it's easy to write an external which spits out the console  
output... we use this feature in vibrez extensively.
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[PD] stderr printout

[marius schebella]

hi,
I use this hack right now to get the console output into pd:
./pd 2>&1 | while read line; do echo "${line};" | ./pdsend 1235 
localhost udp; done
but maybe someone knows a better solution (that would allow normal 
printout to the pd window at the same time).
best solution would probably be [stderr] object that grabs everything 
that is printed to the console and spits it out on an outlet.
marius.



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Re: [PD] tutorial on struct/template usage?

[Miller Puckette]

Hmm, I see it in 0.40 and 0.41... but Debian might have stuck it
somewhere wierd.  Maybe try find / -name 4.data.structures ...
cheers
M

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 06:34:21PM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> thanks for all your replies - and sorry for not having thank you before:
> for some reason I am not receiving mail from this list, so I had  to  go
> in the archives and find out that Miller and Frank had actually  replied
> to me (thanks!).
> 
> Miller, the 4.data.structures page is not in my distro - I am  currently
> using the vanilla 0.40.2-2 version which comes with  Ubuntu  Hardy,  but
> it's not in there :(  I'll  try  to  find  out  why  -  perhaps  there's
> something wrong with the package.
> 
> Frank, thank you very much - I will study the tutorials, I guess  that's
> really what I need.
> 
> nicb
> 
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> > Fri Apr 25 16:52:11 CEST 2008
> > 
> > They're obscure by design (I'm trying to think of a more straightforward
> > design but can't).  Meanwhile, did you find the "4.data.structures"
> > tutorial in the Pd distribution?
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >> 
> >> is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is  rather  obscure  as
> >> far as documentation goes? I really would  like  to  do  something  with
> >> these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am  not  able
> >> to guess how to do it for the life of me.
> >> 
> >> Is there a tutorial/howto/whatever somewhere that tackles these  topics?
> >> I swear I googled around and around with no success before writing.
> >> 
> >> nicb
> >> 
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> > Hallo,
> > Nicola Bernardini hat gesagt: // Nicola Bernardini wrote:
> > 
> > > is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is  rather  obscure  as
> > > far as documentation goes? I really would  like  to  do  something  with
> > > these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am  not  able
> > > to guess how to do it for the life of me.
> > > 
> > > Is there a tutorial/howto/whatever somewhere that tackles these  topics?
> > > I swear I googled around and around with no success before writing.
> > 
> > Search http://puredata.info/ for  "data structures" instead of Google.
> > 
> > There are two tutorials that may be useful: An old one by myself: 
> > http://puredata.info/community/projects/convention04/lectures/tk-barknecht/tut.tgz/view?searchterm=data%20structures
> > (URL in one line) 
> > 
> > And a pdf by Greg Karman here, which I would actually recommend to
> > start with: http://puredata.info/Members/ggkarman/Tutoriales
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Re: [PD] compiling pd in fedora

[Dan Wilcox]

On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 19:00 -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> I am compiling pd in fedora and it all seems to go well until I run pd
> as following and get the error. Pd seems to be running, but there is
> no gui, am i missing something?:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./pd
> priority 98 scheduling enabled.
> ../bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.5.so:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


You are missing the libtk8.5 library ... install it via yum.  It's
needed for the gui.


> priority 96 scheduling enabled.
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> watchdog: signaling pd...
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition

[marius schebella]

the best performance I ever heard using musical pattern recognition was 
by the trombone player george lewis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lewis_(trombonist)
he uses a max patch called voyager. I have no idea how it works, maybe 
you find some documentation online. he worked on it for several years. 
and it was extremely good.
marius.

Oded Ben-Tal wrote:
>> Hi, i'm looking for a way to make a patch that recognizes musical motifs
>> from a flute player in real-time.
> 
> The first problem is how accurate you expect the pattern recognition to 
> be. I have a piece where I ask Pd to make binary descriminations on input 
> from the flute player, in real time. It works fine.
> It is simple enough to get note information from fiddle~ and write that as 
> a list or a table. The problem is that you won't get 100% of the flute 
> notes (legato notes sometime don't trigger etc.) and the notes fiddle 
> estimates are not always perfect.
> The next problem is how fast can pd process the list/table to identify 
> pattern. That will depend on the length of the patterns (of course) but 
> also the narrower the definition of what pd needs to look for the faster 
> it can match (probably).
> To create a system that works for you, you will definately need to start 
> with recordings before you have something to work with a player on.
> 
> There is a fair ammount of research on music pattern recognition out 
> there, though real-time is not a priority for most at this stage.
> 
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Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition

[Oded Ben-Tal]

> Hi, i'm looking for a way to make a patch that recognizes musical motifs
> from a flute player in real-time.

The first problem is how accurate you expect the pattern recognition to 
be. I have a piece where I ask Pd to make binary descriminations on input 
from the flute player, in real time. It works fine.
It is simple enough to get note information from fiddle~ and write that as 
a list or a table. The problem is that you won't get 100% of the flute 
notes (legato notes sometime don't trigger etc.) and the notes fiddle 
estimates are not always perfect.
The next problem is how fast can pd process the list/table to identify 
pattern. That will depend on the length of the patterns (of course) but 
also the narrower the definition of what pd needs to look for the faster 
it can match (probably).
To create a system that works for you, you will definately need to start 
with recordings before you have something to work with a player on.

There is a fair ammount of research on music pattern recognition out 
there, though real-time is not a priority for most at this stage.

Oded

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[PD] curve nameclash

[marius schebella]

hi hans,
I don't know if this is new, the curve object in mapping causes a 
nameclash with curve from gem.
marius.

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Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:
> Am 25.04.2008 um 12:48 schrieb hard off:
> 
>> who thought of mtx_*~ though???  a bit over the top isn't it?
> 
> why "over the top" ??


as i understood hardoff's remark, [mtx_*~] is a bit overpowered to do
mere routing (being able to mix signals, have any gain and doing
interpolation) and thus a potential waste of ressources. (cf: "mit
kanonen auf spatzen schießen")

nevertheless, [mtx_*~] should be rather optimized when dealing with
multiplication of "1" and "0".


speaking of this, i now remember that i do have 2 audio-routing matrices
in zexy: [demux~] and [mux~] (for pd-extended users these are probably
called [demultiplex~] and [multiplex~])
they have been written as counterparts to the full-featured [matrix~]
(now [mtx_*~]), but as you probably have guessed from my lack of memory,
i hardly ever (actually quite never) use it...


fgmaser
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Re: [PD] PD on multitouch

[Simon Kilshaw]

I think you can already do it on osx.. via remote buddy i think.

kilshaw~

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On 25/04/2008, at 19.25, Steffen Juul wrote:
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> On 25/04/2008, at 18.34, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>> Hallo,
>> Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote:
>>
>>> Fundamentally, [z~] is a *very* useful primitive to have
>>
>> I think, fundamentally z~ is just delread~/delwrite~ with a different
>> way to specify delay times, slightly better performance because it
>> doesn't allow many things delread~/delwrite~ can do, and no need
>> to employ two objects. Or am I missing something?
>
> Maybe that your implementation uses an unsupported feature?

I gotta point out that my intention was not to be rude, but rather to  
point out that if, and i may very well be wrong, z~ implementations  
need dynamic patching which is an unsupported feature then its not a  
robust solution hence not the best to add to a printed book.

I'm sorry if i seamed rude, i just tried to be brief.



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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:44:55 -0500
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Hans,pdlisters,

I would be willing to contribute to a paypal account setup for this
specific reason. I wouldthink that many other pd list-ers out here would do
the same.
anyone want to chime in here? think about connecting patch chords on the
train. with your fingertips



On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> Shouldn't be too hard to get Pd running on an iphone.  Getting the GUI
> stuff running on an iPhone is a different story.  That's dependant on
> whether Tcl/Tk runs on the iPhone.  Apparently, someone has done it, I
> haven't tried it.  Also, someone has stepped up and said they are going to
> make Tcl/Tk pure Cocoa on the Mac, so that would make it trivial to get it
> on the iPhone.
>
> Buy me an iphone and I'll do it :)
>
> .hc
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Ben Carney wrote:
>
> Hello there all,
>  Is there any work being done on getting pd to tun on a multi ouch
> device such as the ipod touch or iphone?
> I think this would be an amazing experience, connecting patch chords with
> a fingertip or stylus
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> best,
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On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
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>>
>>  That sounds very useful, I have always missed that

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote:

> I gotta point out that my intention was not to be rude, but rather to  
> point out that if, and i may very well be wrong, z~ implementations  
> need dynamic patching which is an unsupported feature then its not a  
> robust solution hence not the best to add to a printed book.
> 
> I'm sorry if i seamed rude, i just tried to be brief.

I didn't think you were rude at all. Note that I only used dynamic
patching in my zel~ example to implement minimized buffer sizes as was
requested.

But I also noted that I consider this a not very useful effort
(premature optimization?): Just make a delwrite that is big enough to
hold several samples and read from that. A delwrite with, say, 10 msec
should cover most uses of a z~ clone. z~ with delays of more than a
handful of samples normally aren't used as these tend to become more like
"real" delays, not like the filter-equation delays z~ was written for.

Ciao
-- 
Frank Barknecht


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[PD] Data Structure

[matohawk]

Hello,
I have a question about 07.Sequencer patch in 4.data.structures, I see 
this message
;
pd-data sort

what is of use it?

Cheers Thomas
http://matohawkitongroup.free.fr

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