Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Kyle Klipowicz]

I remember hearing (from my engineering physics 2 prof) that Newton
died a virgin and also was an alchemist. I also heard (from my calc
prof) that Newton was deathly afraid of falling into the infinitesimal
space between his foot and the inside of his shoe. And also that he
liked to torture people and wasn't very pleasant.

~Kyle

On Dec 11, 2007 7:15 AM, Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist.  Einstein
> and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities.
> Does that really effect the value of their work?


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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Andy Farnell wrote:

Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but 
much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a 
pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was 
both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides 
his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental 
support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal 
textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.


Oh, that happens everywhere. If you're not part of a university or if 
you're just a student of some prof or if you're just a research assistant 
of some prof or if you write in a way that doesn't sound as stuck up as 
usual... in the latter case you might get told to just go the the 
philosophy department instead. of course, when you get there, the 
philosophers will wonder why anyone wanted to send you to the philosophy 
department in the first place.


It's sad, for example, that you can't talk about the aesthetics of 
mathematical proofs without first getting out of your main topic and write 
something specifically about the aesthetics of mathematical proofs so that 
you can support a certain way of making proofs that you want to use in 
your specialty field and that otherwise may look inferior to other proofs 
under statu-quo aesthetic standards of mathematics. Of course it sounds a 
lot better if you don't have to cite your own article for supporting 
yourself. If I were writing in math, perhaps I would have an extensive 
network of pseudonyms writing in different fields. But then if you're in 
the middle of your masters then most likely you can't pull that trick and 
you have to submit yourself to your advisor. In any case, chances are that 
anyone reading your citation of a philosophical thingie will not bother 
reading the philosophical article and will not think at all about whether 
they should change their minds about the corresponding issue, so, in that 
case, my method of proof would still suck.


(this is not all from personal experience, there's a little personal 
experience and the rest is extrapolation of what would happened if I had 
stayed 2 or 3 more years in the math dept. I only have a B.Sc. degree.)


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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Tim Boykett]

and even on flickr he is hard to focus on - is that art or science?

or is he simply between the layers of focus? neither nearfield
nor infinitely distant.

only time (or periods, or phases, or whatever term he would be using)
will tell.

tm

On 11/12/2007, at 1:16 AM, beau wrote:

> He'll be missed, but the music will live on:
> http://flickr.com/photos/cypod/2094889566/
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 AM, Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Siriusly though...
>>
>> I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist.  Einstein
>> and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities.
>> Does that really effect the value of their work?
>>
>> By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps
>> explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research
>> and study others.
>>
>> But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands
>> on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive  
>> utility.
>> That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho.
>>
>> What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he  
>> achieved was
>> in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars
>> of established thought.
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
>> Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Andy Farnell wrote:
 Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
 but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw  
 him as
 a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
 He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise  
 voclabulary
 hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided
 experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned  
 once
 in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.

>>> And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain  
>>> us all
>>> that :-)
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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Andy Farnell wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all
that :-)

No way? A or B? I can't stand those wankers from Sirius B with their "our 
star's brighter
than yours" crap. Or was he a scientologist, where do they come from again?


Google for things like "were descended from clams" and you will find soon 
enough what the scientologist theory of evolution claims...


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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[beau]

He'll be missed, but the music will live on:
http://flickr.com/photos/cypod/2094889566/


On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 AM, Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Siriusly though...
>
> I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist.  Einstein
> and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities.
> Does that really effect the value of their work?
>
> By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps
> explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research
> and study others.
>
> But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands
> on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive utility.
> That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho.
>
> What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he achieved was
> in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars
> of established thought.
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
> Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Andy Farnell wrote:
> > > Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
> > > but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
> > > a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
> > > He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary
> > > hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided
> > > experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once
> > > in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.
> > >
> > And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all
> > that :-)
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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Andy Farnell]

Siriusly though...

I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist.  Einstein
and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities. 
Does that really effect the value of their work?

By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps
explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research
and study others.

But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands
on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive utility.
That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho.

What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he achieved was
in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars
of established thought.

andy






On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andy Farnell wrote:
> > Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
> > but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
> > a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
> > He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary
> > hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided
> > experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once
> > in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.
> >   
> And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all 
> that :-)
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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
> And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all 
> that :-)

No way? A or B? I can't stand those wankers from Sirius B with their "our 
star's brighter
than yours" crap. Or was he a scientologist, where do they come from again?

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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Yvan Vander Sanden]

Andy Farnell wrote:
> Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
> but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
> a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
> He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary
> hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided
> experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once
> in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.
>   
And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all 
that :-)

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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Andy Farnell]

Sad news, 

This is worth reading and it ties into recent discussions on this list.

http://www.music.princeton.edu/~ckk/smmt/scientific.commentary.2.html

Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary
hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided
experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once
in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand.




On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:45:35 +
"eric labelle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for posting this Chris...it is quite a loss.
> 
> 2007/12/10, Chris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd
> > mention it.
> > <
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1&ref=obituaries&oref=slogin
> > >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Chris.
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Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen

[eric labelle]

Thanks for posting this Chris...it is quite a loss.

2007/12/10, Chris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd
> mention it.
> <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1&ref=obituaries&oref=slogin
> >
>
> Best,
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> Chris.
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[PD] RIP Stockhausen

[Chris McCormick]

Hi,

I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd
mention it.


Best,

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