Odp: MY GOD!

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

> -Original Message-
> > From: Stephanie Stiavetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > I'm actually very disappointed in the state of this list.
>
> Me too, but it will pass. It always does.
>
> tv
>

I, for one, am quite happy ;-)

You see - I haven't had much free time to read the list recently, so I'm a
bit terrified whenever I approach my PDML folder and see 300 new messages
there, but... Two minutes later, after deleting 150 posts of ranting, it
looks muuuch better :-)

Regards,
Lukasz

Odp: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Read Fred's follow-up post, or change slashes.

Regards,
Lukasz
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images


> Fred,
> 
> In all of these site cites, my browser says, "Netscape is unable to
> locate the server."
> None of them will open for me. Has anyone else reported that problem?
> 
> Wait a minute...I find that if I change the backslashes to forward
> slashes, it works! Hah!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> keith whaley
> 
> Steve Larson wrote:
> > 
> > Fred,
> >  Thanks for all the data!
> > Steve Larson
> > Redondo Beach, California
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:42 AM
> > Subject: VS1 35-85/2.8 Lens Images
> > 
> > > Prompted by a recent thread involving the Vivitar Series 1 35-85/2.8
> > > lens and its modification for newer K-mount bodies, I'm providing
> > > some images involving this lens:
> > >
> > > Here are two VS1 35-85/2.8's, the left one of which shows the extra
> > > baffle, while the right one has been modified:
> > > 
> > >
> > > It is important, of course, to mask off completely the rest of the
> > > lens when the extra baffle is being removed:
> > > 
> > >
> > > It is also possible to remove the K-mount flange and then remove the
> > > extra baffle after masking off only the flange:
> > > 
> > >
> > > A description of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in a 1976 Vivitar Series 1
> > > brochure:
> > > 
> > >
> > > Specifications for and a photo of the VS1 35-85/2.8 in the same
> > > Vivitar Series 1 brochure::
> > > 
> > >
> > > An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1975:
> > > 
> > >
> > > An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1976:
> > > 
> > >
> > > An ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
> > > 
> > >
> > > Another ad for the VS1 35-85/2.8 from 1979:
> > > 
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> 

Odp: LX for sale in UK AP

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

You sure about the price? That's about $225 and that would make it a steal.
Now, if only I had tese $225 in my pocket... 

Lukasz

- Original Message -
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Pentax List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: LX for sale in UK AP


> Spotted for sale in AP
>
> 'Pentax LX plus FA/1W prism finder, grip, perfect working order, used
> regularly. 150 GBP 01429 422058 (UK phone number)
>

Odp: Odp: vivitar 35-85mm 2.8 lens

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Maybe he thought he was seinding it off-list.

Lukasz

- Original Message -
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Odp: vivitar 35-85mm 2.8 lens


> I couldn't have said it better!  
>
> -frank
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Czesc! Wiesz cos na temat adapterow Tamrona KA?mOzna ich uzywac z nowymi
puszkami?
> > Alek
> > U¿ytkownik £ukasz Kacperczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisa³:
>
> --
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it
> is true." -J. Robert
> Oppenheimer
>
>

Odp: vivitar 35-85mm 2.8 lens

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

> 1. flare- how do i control it-it flares worse than smc lens

Now, that's surprise ;-)

> 3. was that a good price 0- i think so the last two on ebay went for
around
> 180-200 us or 320-350 australian

You already got your answer.

Sorry, nothing constructive here :-)

Regards,
Lukasz

Odp: Pentax Upgrade

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

> This probably isn't the answer you're looking for, but "if it were me"
(and I know it isn't )

You sure about that? I saw you wearing a bunny outfit, you know... ;-)

Lukasz

Odp: Kudos to Kominek Camera - 35-105 A f3.5 update

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

> I received a call today from Russ @ Kominek and the lens now holds it's
> focus throughout the zoom range.  I'm extremely impressed by Kominek's
> service!!  Pulling off what Pentax Canada could not!  Russ stated that
> Pentax equipment is one of their specialties so I would hope that they
> never lose the tech they have who's working on the Pentax gear.

I'm happy to hear that :-)

> P.S.  Unfortunately, I've gotten rid of my LX body and don't have any more
> K mount bodies so the lens, although fixed, will have to go up for sale.

OK - now what's that all about? ;-)

Lukasz

Odp: Lenshood for FA 50mm

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I use a metal rectangular made for a standard lens for Practicas - recently
I saw one sell on ebay for $30! They're very nice, well made hoods, but I
got mine for the equivalent of $0.75 :-)

You see, there's plenty of'em here and (need I add?) the ebay seller was
Polish :-) (not me)

Regards,
Lukasz

- Original Message -
From: Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lenshood for FA 50mm


> I have a $2 rubber hood for mine :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "gfen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Lenshood for FA 50mm
>
>
> > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Paul Eriksson wrote:
> > > Do you use lenshoods on your 50mm lenses?
> >
> > Yes. I have a generic metal hood on.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.infotainment.org   <-> more fun than a poke in your
> eye.
> > http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio.
> >
>

Odp: for 6x7 fans: 2003 Pirelli calendar shot with Pentax

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Sorry Dario for not responding but I got your two emails at the same time.
Enjoy the photos - some are really great.
Lukasz

- Original Message -
From: Dario Bonazza 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: for 6x7 fans: 2003 Pirelli calendar shot with Pentax


> Found the pictures:
>
>
http://www.it.pirelli.com/it_IT/this_is_pirelli/communication/calendar/2003/
> game_cal_it.jhtml?_DARGS=/common/calendario/gameNavigator2003.jhtml
>
> Dario Bonazza
> 
> http://www.dariobonazza.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dario Bonazza 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: for 6x7 fans: 2003 Pirelli calendar shot with Pentax
>
>
> > £ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:
> >
> > > I've seen the pictures,
> >
> > Where? Any link?
> >
> > I've found the press release, but no pictures there:
> >
>
http://www.pirelli.com/en_42/this_is_pirelli/press_room/newsTitle.jhtml?s1=4
> > 200019&s2=4200060&display=4272&start=1
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dario Bonazza
> > 
> > http://www.dariobonazza.com
> >
>

Odp: for 6x7 fans: 2003 Pirelli calendar shot with Pentax

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I've seen the pictures, and I'm not thrilled. Out of 24 photos I think only
about 5 are great and 4 more very good. IMHO, too many look like thousands
of pictures I've already seen.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that Bruce Weber is a great
photographer, and the 67 is a great great camera (or so I hear :-)

Regards,
Lukasz

- Original Message -
From: MPozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: for 6x7 fans: 2003 Pirelli calendar shot with Pentax


> 6x7 fans, FYI...
> bruce Weber, the photographer who shot the just
> released 2003 Pirelli calendar, has done so using a
> number of 6x7. There was a report on it on Itlaian TV
> last night
>
> Ciao
>
> __
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>

RE: MX Winder

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Thanks for everythink guys, but unfortunatelly the man who had one for sale
didn't know anything about Pentax cameras (or tried to screw me), and tried
to sell me a Winder ME, despite earlier saying that he has a Winder MX.
Regards,
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Collin Brendemuehl
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MX Winder


Look down inside to be certain that the
inside terminals are clean.

Collin


>What should I check when buying a MX Winder (with or without the camera)?


*
KC8TKA

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RE: New Camera, New Format

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

What you need mirror lock-up on a TLR for???
And now for my guess - Kiev?
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Cotty
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:46 AM
To: Pentax List
Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format


>> >> > >Cotty has a Lubitel?
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope.
>> >>
>> >> Pentacon 6?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.)
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality...
>
>Ah. An old Rolleiflex!

I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror
lock-up...

It's nothing special, you'll all groan...

C

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RE: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Wasn't Canon lens a f/0.95 and not f/0.79? I'm pretty sure it was.
Lukasz

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's
Ninth.)


> IMHO, the "limited" lenses are restoring their glory. The "K"
> series was produced at time that quality meant everything. Then economics
> and saleability prevailed.

As far as I understand, A* lenses have never been victims of "economics and
saleability". Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot
older and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My
question is, are they *that* good? There are other lenses from the same time
(C & N) that go for half the money (I seriously doubt that Cannon L glass is
inferior to Pentax A*). Or is it simply the lust factor? -- which would be
very understandable (found myself guilty of that on more than one occasion),
since these lenses *are* rare, but that has little to do with photography.

As for Cannon 50/0.79 -- at least I can understand why it is a collectible,
there're not that many other 0.79 lenses around (in fact, I am not aware of
any).

Oh well, it's Friday...
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RE: Slow eBay seller

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I waited two months for a package from the States (I live in Poland). When I
finally received it I learned that it had spent a month at a Warsaw Post
Office (and the camera wasn't functional, but that's another story...). So I
guess we should have more faith in Ebay sellers and try to be a little
understanding (unless they send you junk of course).
Lukasz

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Slow eBay seller


I got an eMail from the seller saying he sent the item, but after two
weeks I hadn't received it. He was just about to send another one
when it finally showed up.

I figured he had probably forgotten to send it, but the post mark
showed he had sent it when he said he had, over two weeks ago.

Why the Post Office took that long to move it less than 80 miles is a
mystery. But, it shows that sometimes it's not the seller's fault.
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RE: 67 Hat For the Homies

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

A perfect reflection of a Brother's state of mind (I imagine) ;)
Lukasz

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:20 PM
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Subject: 67 Hat For the Homies


Here it is:

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/67hat.html

Mishka wrote:
>
> do we? what do they look like?
> ;)
>
> > They even have the LX wink. That's why we need Brotherhood hats.

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RE: MZ-S Opinions

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I'd prefer both :) ...
I mean - two different animals.
Lukasz

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of J. Gerace
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S Opinions


So,  if you all had a choice would it be a MZ-S or an LX?   Or are those
two different animals?

Take care,

Julia

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Sat down in my gaff last night & went over the MZ-s.
>
>Well, let's see. Overall impression excellent , one or two niggles.
>1. How the bloody hell can you change the focus spot position when holding
>camera in "use" position? I need to chop most of my fingers off, don't I?
>2. AE Lock on for 20 seconds - why? Why not locked when your pinkie is on
the
>AE lock button, only?
>3. Horrible sound. Pentax really could have done a lot better here. OK, so
I
>didn't put film thru it. Does the sound change significantly with film in?
>
>So I have decided I can't live with it, and it has to go. Hello little KX,
>sorry I've missed you, come back to daddy.
>
>Kind regards
>
>Peter
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RE: which MF body for an A-lens?

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

The only thing you won't be able to do with your A lens on ME Super is use
it in the program mode because the camera doesn't have one (unlike Super
A/Super Program). Lukasz

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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: which MF body for an A-lens?


Fred, I don't have the ME Super. I only have one PZ-1 which is bulky
and too much for me. I want to buy a second body. I did some surfing
and liked the features of ME Super. It seems others like it too. But
then I probably wont be able to use it with my lens. And since I dont
want to spend a lot of money, I want to decide on some other body
that can do shutter priority.
Thanks!!
Gaurav

> -Original Message-
>
> > I have PZ-1, Pentax 28-200mm FA and 50mm f/1.7 KA. [snip] I like
> > the ME Super a lot from discussions on the list as well as the
> > specs on Boz' site. The problem is that the aperture ring of my
> > lens sticks and  would turn only once in a while. It doesn't give
> > any problem in the A  setting though and stops down properly (or
> > so I guess). What would be a sturdy, light-weight, manual focus
> > camera that does shutter priority?
>
> Gaurav, I think you're "putting the cart before the horse", perhaps.
> While there certainly are other Ka mf bodies less expensive than the
> Super Program/A that you could look for (e.g., Program Plus/A,
> A3/A3000, P3/P30, P5/P50, P3n/P30n), I think that you might be
> better off finding another 50mm lens for your ME Super, which you
> did say you like (and I can understand why).  I can imagine
> circumstances where one might look for a body to fit a favored lens,
> but looking for a body just to enable the use of a defective 50mm
> lens just doesn't seem to make much sense to me.  (I'm not trying to
> be critical - I'm just trying to be helpful.)
>
> Fred
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RE: Camera bags- advice needed

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I can recommend a Crumpler Oh Lord bag. Everything you want to carry around
should fit and you would have room for more, but the bag is quite small, and
unobtrusive (doesn't look like a camera bag). The only thing i don't like
about it are those two wide velcro straps that SCREAM when you open the lid.
Just my two cents,
Lukasz

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Camera bags- advice needed


I have the off trail one.  I replaced one of the side lens carriers with a
street and field # 2 lens case to hold my 70-240 f4 or my 100-300 F.  I
cannot fit either one of those lenses in the main compartment mounted to
either my Super Program or Z-5.  My 35-105 f3.5, superprogram and ME II
winder will fin but its tight.  Same with my Z-5 with the old power zoom
28-105 mounted.

Jim fellows
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From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "TM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Camera bags- advice needed


> Taka,
>
> My wife has an Off Trail 1 for his setup.  I suspect it will be too
> small for what you are wanting.  In the main compartment, the ZX-10
> with Tokina 28-105/3.5-4.5 zoom fits nice.  In one side compartment
> the Pentax 80-320 zoom barely fits.  In the other compartment goes a
> 280T flash (barely) and batteries/film.  If the 80-320 is on the
> camera, it won't fit the main compartment.  I gotta believe that the
> 80-200/4 is going to be a bit big.
>
>
> Bruce Dayton
>
>
>
> Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 3:37:13 PM, you wrote:
>
> T> Hi all-
> T> Now that I have access to an SLR, I'm all set to get back
> T> into photography and need some help w/ camera bags.
>
> T> I made the mistake of getting a Lowepro Mini-Trekker backpack,
> T> which is a great bag but a bit too small when you're trying to
> T> carry a bunch of junk- 3 bodies, 5 lenses, 2 flashes, 2 P&Ses,
> T> a digital P&S and God knows what else. I should have gotten the
> T> Trekker. :-)
>
> T> Anyway, that said, I need a bag to use as an everyday carry-along
> T> bag for when I'm using the camera. My requirements are that I can
> T> carry an 80-200 zoom (f4 not the big 2.8 monster) mounted on the
> T> camera, along with a 24-28mm wide angle prime, possibly a flash as
> T> well, and some film, filters, etc.
>
> T> I thought the Lowepro Off Trail 2 would be the ticket, but wonder if
> T> the Off Trail 1 might work well enough. Anyone here use this bag or
> T> its brethren? I need to know if I can fit the aforementioned 80-200mm
> T> f4 zoom in the Off Trail 1, otherwise, I'll have to order the next size
> T> up Off Trail 2. I might see if the local shop will let me try putting
> T> something like a Nikon N65 into the bag with a zoom attached.
>
> T> Anyone have the dimensions of the Pentax M or A 70-210mm f/4 zoom?
> T> That's the one I want to get.
>
> T> Nice thing about these bags is that the extra lens cases are
detachable,
> T> making the bag really small when that's wanted as well as the
> T> interchangeability
> T> between the waist belt and the shoulder strap.
>
> T> Thanks,
> T> Taka
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RE: mailer bummer

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

I'm very sorry for you, Cory. But...
Next time try to shoot B&W and do your own processing ;)
Lukasz

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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: mailer bummer


   Just opened a package of prints I sent off for processing.
Unfortunately, the package has gotten wet in transit and the prints are all
warped and stuck together.  We are able to peel them apart but...
The un-sleeved negatives are also a big clump.

I'm so bummed.  I think I'm going to bed :(

Cory Waters
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RE: Do you ever buy from E-bay?

[£ukasz Kacperczyk]

Julia,
unless it say's "just CLA'd" (or even then...), ask about EVERYTHING. You
can't be too cautious. I once got a Canonet in which all shutter speeds
worked, but the aperture blades didn't move, and the seller's ad said
"shutter speeds work". Not a word about the aperture!
And don't believe people that say they are unable to check something obvious
("I have no battery, so I cannot test it" - even if the batteries are
unavailable [i.e. discontinued]
to check if a meter works one can use something with a bit different
voltage; all it takes is a bit of good will on the part of the seller).
Having said that - do not think all Ebay sellers are trying to screw you
('scuse my language) - most of them are really honest, nice people. But some
of them don't know much about cameras (as Frank already pointed out), and it
is up to you whether you buy junk or a mint Super A body.
So ASK, ASK, and ASK, and if you don't get straight answers - back up and
wait for the next one. You won't have to wait long.
Good luck with your bidding.
Lukasz
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Hi, Julia,

Ask questions if you're not sure about everything.  If it just says "seems
to work well", or something vague like that, write the vendor and ask
specifically if the meter works, for instance.  Ask if all the shutter
speeds work, how many rolls he's put through the camera, if it was his, or
if he's "selling for a friend".  If his answer is vague, or not forthcoming,
beware!  Ask if the lenses have fungus, or spots or haze on them.  Not that
all vendors are trying to screw you, but many people selling camera
equipment don't know much about them, for instance, if they are selling from
an estate or something.

Know what you're bidding for, what the value is, and don't get sucked into
bidding wars.  If you don't get what you want, another one will come up
sooner or later.

Check the guy's feedback.  Not that you should never buy from anyone with
negative feedback, or no feedback at all, but at least know what you're
getting into, and adjust your maximum bid accordingly.

Personally, I don't buy anything expensive on eBay - so far my biggest
purchase has been around $60US.  Remember, eBay is Caveat Emptor.  If you
get screwed, your remedies are limited - yeah, you can give the guy bad
feedback, complain to eBay and get them removed as a vender (so they can log
on as a different user, and sell some more).  At least if you don't spend
much, you can't lose much, either.

That being said, you can get some great bargains there - I have, and so have
many others on this list.

regards,
frank

"J. Gerace" wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Really enjoying the conversations here. Just reading a lot right now.
>  Butyou all got me thinking about buying lenses and stuff, so I've
> been checking out E-Bay.  There's a couple of K1000 packages that come
> with a few lenses (that seem nice to me) and a SP1000 with a few as
> well.  Would it be reasonable to try for one of these? Probably the K's,
> because of the lens mount...plus, then I'll have a spare body.
>
> I was wondering too if you all wind up bidding against eachother? : )
> Oh, and I saw an LX body for sale too..
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julia
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