Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
I don't care what anyone says, the quality of Pentax's legacy glass is reason enough for me to stick with them. I think if they were building modern versions of their high end lenses (i.e. at least a D-FA 300/2.8) they'd attract a lot more market share. I only bought the Sigma 300/2.8 because my local camera store couldn't find a Pentax FA-300/2.8 anywhere in the U.S. Plus, the 100mm Macro in all of its iterations (I've used the 'M', 'A' and D-FA versions) is one of the finest portrait lenses I've ever used. So if you don't do macro now, you still might be able to kill two birds with one stone. Expensive as they are, Pentax lenses are still less expensive than the equivalent lenses offered by Canon & Nikon and they're better quality at that lower price. On 9/13/2019 01:03:22, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 08:09:54PM +0200, Alan C wrote: It seems to me highly unlikely that a Newbie in the realms of "higher photography" would choose Pentax today so I can only conclude that those of us who have remained with Pentax do so mostly for sentimental reasons. Another reason why I'm still with Pentax (and probably why several others are) is because the cost of moving to a different system would be prohibitive. Plus, in any case, I'm not planning on buying much more photographic gear; maybe one more body (either the projected eventual replacement for the K-3, or if that never shows up possibly a K-1). That would work with all my existing lenses, leaving me well covered all the way from 16mm up to 600mm. I don't really do any wide-angle or macro work, so I don't anticipate being tempted by anything extra in the lens lineup. One new body (to get a newer sensor and AF system than my current K-5) is probably going to be enough for me. About the only other option I'd consider would be switching to a 4/3 system. That would certainly be easier to carry (which becomes more important with each birthday), But getting glass as good as my DA*s and FA*s isn't cheap. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
At this point I'm thinking that there may not be a successor to the K-3. Ricoh made a misstep with the K-P, it's not really any better in any measurable way than a K-3 or a K-70. The User interface is enough different from those cameras and the K-1 to give you hives when switching between it and any of those bodies. So I'd bet there are a lot of unsold K-P cameras sitting in store rooms and showrooms world wide. That bodes poorly for Ricoh to invest in a new high end APS-C sensor DSLR, since Ricoh's marketing seems to take the wrong lessons from at every step, (I mean just look at the KS1). Sadly it doesn't really appeal to the market segment clambering for mirrorless bodies either. When you're the smallest fish in the pond you can't afford to make a lot of major mistakes. You can make a good living with a small percentage share of a market if you choose correctly most of the time. Ricoh isn't doing all that well in it's core product lines, so while the imaging division, is still profitable AFAICT it's too small to float the entire company, and unlike Sony they're not able to expend wads of cash to buy a market. Ricoh bought the most traditional SLR maker still existing, and really can't figure out what to do with them. As for me, I've been looking for a good used K-3, and a couple of K mount Ultrawide lenses to fill out the my wide angle needs. I've already got most everything else covered. On 9/13/2019 1:03 AM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 08:09:54PM +0200, Alan C wrote: It seems to me highly unlikely that a Newbie in the realms of "higher photography" would choose Pentax today so I can only conclude that those of us who have remained with Pentax do so mostly for sentimental reasons. Another reason why I'm still with Pentax (and probably why several others are) is because the cost of moving to a different system would be prohibitive. Plus, in any case, I'm not planning on buying much more photographic gear; maybe one more body (either the projected eventual replacement for the K-3, or if that never shows up possibly a K-1). That would work with all my existing lenses, leaving me well covered all the way from 16mm up to 600mm. I don't really do any wide-angle or macro work, so I don't anticipate being tempted by anything extra in the lens lineup. One new body (to get a newer sensor and AF system than my current K-5) is probably going to be enough for me. About the only other option I'd consider would be switching to a 4/3 system. That would certainly be easier to carry (which becomes more important with each birthday), But getting glass as good as my DA*s and FA*s isn't cheap. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
My wife has a Fuji Finepix S4800 Superzoom which does very well. However, the EVF is difficult use at the long end, the AF is slow & the zoom control is awkward. Not unlike the Pentax XG-1. Alan C On 13-Sep-19 10:16 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: I'm even inclined to stop obtaining new lenses and instead invest in a 1 inch superzoom like the Panasonic Lumic DC-FZ1000 or the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 types. This isn't really lightweight but it is saves me a lot of weight in my backpack as well as all the hassle to choose which lenses to take along. Both macro as well as some telephoto can be done with these compacts. How much loss in quality compared to my K5 and K-1 this would give I have no idea. But on Flickr I see excellent shots taken with these 1 inch superzooms. The K-1 would surely still be needed for low light theater and more serious landscape. Henk Op 2019-09-13 om 07:03 schreef John Francis: About the only other option I'd consider would be switching to a 4/3 system. That would certainly be easier to carry (which becomes more important with each birthday), But getting glass as good as my DA*s and FA*s isn't cheap. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
I'm even inclined to stop obtaining new lenses and instead invest in a 1 inch superzoom like the Panasonic Lumic DC-FZ1000 or the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 types. This isn't really lightweight but it is saves me a lot of weight in my backpack as well as all the hassle to choose which lenses to take along. Both macro as well as some telephoto can be done with these compacts. How much loss in quality compared to my K5 and K-1 this would give I have no idea. But on Flickr I see excellent shots taken with these 1 inch superzooms. The K-1 would surely still be needed for low light theater and more serious landscape. Henk Op 2019-09-13 om 07:03 schreef John Francis: About the only other option I'd consider would be switching to a 4/3 system. That would certainly be easier to carry (which becomes more important with each birthday), But getting glass as good as my DA*s and FA*s isn't cheap. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 08:09:54PM +0200, Alan C wrote: > > It seems to me highly unlikely that a Newbie in the realms of "higher > photography" would choose Pentax today so I can only conclude that those of > us who have remained with Pentax do so mostly for sentimental reasons. Another reason why I'm still with Pentax (and probably why several others are) is because the cost of moving to a different system would be prohibitive. Plus, in any case, I'm not planning on buying much more photographic gear; maybe one more body (either the projected eventual replacement for the K-3, or if that never shows up possibly a K-1). That would work with all my existing lenses, leaving me well covered all the way from 16mm up to 600mm. I don't really do any wide-angle or macro work, so I don't anticipate being tempted by anything extra in the lens lineup. One new body (to get a newer sensor and AF system than my current K-5) is probably going to be enough for me. About the only other option I'd consider would be switching to a 4/3 system. That would certainly be easier to carry (which becomes more important with each birthday), But getting glass as good as my DA*s and FA*s isn't cheap. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Igor, Thanks for that interesting & informative dissertation. It seems amazing that "Pentax" cameras have declined from majority status to a mere 3% in 40 odd years. Most "photographers" are in it only for personal & family reasons - the same sort of mentality as in the Brownie Box, Polaroid & Instamatic eras - so it stands to reason the i-phone is now their "camera" of choice. Easy to use and for the most part i-phones do an excellent job. It seems to me highly unlikely that a Newbie in the realms of "higher photography" would choose Pentax today so I can only conclude that those of us who have remained with Pentax do so mostly for sentimental reasons. It is pointless for the big camera manufacturers to produce entry level cameras any more - they should rather move into the i-phone market! Sigma, Tamron & others produced acceptable long lenses & other nichè lenses for the masses who could not afford top of the range stuff. The Sigma 50-500, 150-500 & 170-500 can be had for a fraction of the price of an FA 250-600 or D-FA 150-450. My K5 (ex Mark Cassino) & Sigma 170-500DG will just have to see me out. I also have a DA18-55WR, an HD 55-300 & an FA 100/2.8 Macro so all my needs seem to be covered. I wouldn't mind trying a Q body with adapter & my existing lenses if I could find one at a reasonable price. BTW, the first sign that Sigma was dropping us was the new 50-600 which was never made in K-mount. All the bodies since the K5 are good enough & no longer suffer from the low-light difficulties of the past. How much more development can there really be? You pays you money & takes your choice. Alan C On 12-Sep-19 01:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Bill, John pointed out to certain types of lenses not being available from Pentax, and that is an important aspect for some Pentax-shooters, especially for some particular applications. (Good examples are some wide-angle fast lenses, under "ART" label, Bigma and variations.) However, even if you are totally satisfied with the lenses from Pentax, you are still affected by what Sigma and other 3rd-party manufacturers discontinuing their lens production for Pentax bodies: Lack of the "entry-level" budget lenses is a turn-away factor for the potential Pentax shooters. I can tell you that while most of my most used lenses are by Pentax, I have a few lenses for "niche" applications, where I am not willing to spend big bucks for very little use, and where 3rd-party lenses are just good enough. Moreover, when I started with my very first Pentax camera (Zx-5n), I could not afford fast Pentax lenses, and my first two lenses were Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8 (which John also loved), which was a great lens for a reasonable price, and a Tamron 70-300/ 4-5.6, which was not the greatest, but sufficient for the first few years. Soon after, I bought my first Pentax lens, F 50/1.7 (from Boz). The reason I bought a Pentax camera (even though I had Kiev-19, with a Nikon mount and a prime lens by that time) was the ergonomics of it, and availability of the reasonably-priced quality lenses. (I was comparing it to Nikon N-70 and maybe N-50, as I couldn't afford N-90. And Rebel was out of consideration for being, imho, inferior to all aforementioned cameras.) Then, as my needs and abilities (both photographic and monetary) were growing, I started purchasing more serious lenses - mostly from Pentax. But even then, - when I needed a wide-angle, relatively fast lens, I bought a Sigma one, 28/1.8 (from Miserere). And that served well for its purpose for 1-2 years that I needed it. My point is that 3rd-party, less expensive lenses provide a pathway for many photographers with limited budget, both at the entry to the "system", and at later stages of using the "system". I also wanted to point out that Sigma pulling out its resources from Pentax eco-system is not the culprit in itself, but rather an indicator of the market position of Pentax/Ricoh. According to the information I found on PetaPixel, https://petapixel.com/2019/01/15/canon-1-in-both-dslr-and-mirrorless-sales-in-japan-in-2018/ Ricoh had 3.1% of the DSLRs market share in 2018, which was down from 4.2% in 2017, and 4.8% in 2016 (6.7% in 2015, 4.5% in 2014, 5.2% in 2013, and 7.5% in 2011; no info in 2012, as it fell behind Sony that had 7.1%). All these numbers are just for Japan, but I suspect the world-wide numbers are not much better, if at all. Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto=en=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bcnaward.jp%2Faward%2Fgallery%2Fdetail%2Fcontents_type%3D251%26date%3D2018 https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3fjmm9b It's a sad trend. What's even worth that it is a shrinking part of an overall shrinking market: Overall DSLR market is also shrinking, compared to the rest of digital cameras, and so is the digital camera market in general (22% down for 2018, compared to 2017).
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
On 9/11/2019 19:23:03, Igor PDML-StR wrote: My point is that 3rd-party, less expensive lenses provide a pathway for many photographers with limited budget, both at the entry to the "system", and at later stages of using the "system". In many cases I bought 3rd-party lenses because the "equivalent" Pentax lens wasn't available at ANY price, not for love nor money. Mostly Pentax doesn't make them any more and the the few Pentax photographers who have them won't give them up until they die. And sometimes the 3rd-party lens makers offered lenses that were not in Pentax's lineup. I was late to auto-focus, finally purchasing a second-hand PZ-1p in 2003. Along with it I bought that Tokina 28-70 f/2.8 that proved to be my workhorse with the PZ-1p (& *ist-D, K10D, K20D & K-3 before I finally wore it out). I did get into Pentax DIGITAL SLR's as soon as one became available, getting a *ist-D as a backup for the PZ-1p in February 2004 just before I went overseas. When I finally had to replace it, I looked for a "SMC Pentax-FA* 28-70mm F2.8 AL", but there were just none available, so I ended up with the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 that to be honest I don't like as much as I did the Tokina. ... and then there's *The BEAST*. By the time you're financially well established enough to afford it, you're too old and decrepit to use it effectively. That thing is frickin' HUGE. I already had to go buy a new tripod head strong enough to handle it.** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtdN-jM9X0 If Larry thinks he's gonna' con me into leaving it to him in my will, he's going to have to move to North Carolina and perform Sherpa duties to earn it.*** Fortunately I have access to a GREAT local independent camera dealer who is a Pentax dealer with plenty of Pentax goodies in stock. He helped me set up the gimb al head& get it properly balanced. https://www.southeasterncamera.com/ And, of course, life goes on for me as it always does. My back yard is always over-run with critters - American Robins, Mocking Birds, Doves, Cowbirds along with rabbits & squirrels (and the occasional Opossum or Racoon). So yesterday I take The Beast out to test it and what do I get? NOTHING! Not even crickets ... ** My old Bogen 3021 legs ARE adequate, but the Manfrotto 700RC2 Pan & Tilt head I had on it just WAS NOT! *** Which shouldn't be TOO impossible. We've got lots of jobs for programmers, there's a vibrant music scene (including swing dance) and lots of wildlife & nature. And just so he wouldn't get too lonesome for earthquakes & flash fires, we've got hurricanes (... and the Hurricanes). -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
One of the reasons I would hate to switch from Pentax is the ready availability of good lenses for low prices. eBay. I owned one off-brand lens once, a Sigma 150-500. There may have been another but basically it has all been Pentax. If I were ever going to switch it would be to Nikon for similar ergonomics. But the thought of dealing with multiple Nikon lens mounts and incompatibilities puts me off. Stan Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2019, at 1:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > Bill, > > John pointed out to certain types of lenses not being available from Pentax, > and that is an important aspect for some Pentax-shooters, especially for some > particular applications. > (Good examples are some wide-angle fast lenses, under "ART" label, Bigma and > variations.) > > > However, even if you are totally satisfied with the lenses from Pentax, > you are still affected by what Sigma and other 3rd-party manufacturers > discontinuing their lens production for Pentax bodies: > Lack of the "entry-level" budget lenses is a turn-away factor for the > potential Pentax shooters. I can tell you that while most of my most used > lenses are by Pentax, I have a few lenses for "niche" applications, where I > am not willing to spend big bucks for very little use, and where 3rd-party > lenses are just good enough. > > Moreover, when I started with my very first Pentax camera (Zx-5n), I could > not afford fast Pentax lenses, and my first two lenses were Tokina ATX Pro > 28-70/2.6-2.8 (which John also loved), which was a great lens for a > reasonable price, and a Tamron 70-300/ 4-5.6, which was not the greatest, but > sufficient for the first few years. Soon after, I bought my first Pentax > lens, F 50/1.7 (from Boz). > > The reason I bought a Pentax camera (even though I had Kiev-19, with a Nikon > mount and a prime lens by that time) was the ergonomics of it, and > availability of the reasonably-priced quality lenses. > (I was comparing it to Nikon N-70 and maybe N-50, as I couldn't afford N-90. > And Rebel was out of consideration for being, imho, inferior to all > aforementioned cameras.) > > Then, as my needs and abilities (both photographic and monetary) were > growing, I started purchasing more serious lenses - mostly from Pentax. > But even then, - when I needed a wide-angle, relatively fast lens, I bought a > Sigma one, 28/1.8 (from Miserere). And that served well for its purpose for > 1-2 years that I needed it. > > My point is that 3rd-party, less expensive lenses provide a pathway for many > photographers with limited budget, both at the entry to the "system", and at > later stages of using the "system". > > > I also wanted to point out that Sigma pulling out its resources from Pentax > eco-system is not the culprit in itself, but rather an indicator of the > market position of Pentax/Ricoh. > According to the information I found on PetaPixel, > https://petapixel.com/2019/01/15/canon-1-in-both-dslr-and-mirrorless-sales-in-japan-in-2018/ > Ricoh had 3.1% of the DSLRs market share in 2018, which was down from 4.2% > in 2017, and 4.8% in 2016 (6.7% in 2015, 4.5% in 2014, 5.2% in 2013, and 7.5% > in 2011; no info in 2012, as it fell behind Sony that had 7.1%). > All these numbers are just for Japan, but I suspect the world-wide numbers > are not much better, if at all. > > Source: > https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto=en=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bcnaward.jp%2Faward%2Fgallery%2Fdetail%2Fcontents_type%3D251%26date%3D2018 > https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3fjmm9b > > It's a sad trend. > What's even worth that it is a shrinking part of an overall shrinking market: > Overall DSLR market is also shrinking, compared to the rest of digital > cameras, and so is the digital camera market in general (22% down for 2018, > compared to 2017). > https://nikonrumors.com/2019/07/08/digital-camera-market-down-22-for-2018-the-latest-global-market-share-canon-40-5-nikon-19-1-sony-17-7.aspx/ > > I leave the estimate of the decline of Pentax DSLR sales in absolute numbers > as an exercise to the inquiring minds, but I wouldn't > be surprised if it is to a quarter of those in 2017. > > With all the desire to find a bright light somewhere in this picture, I am > unable to do that. > > In this combination of the unfortunate global market trends and the > dynamics within Pentax (seemingly little to no progress, as witnessed by the > lack of an APS-C flagship for several years, slow appearance of FF lenses for > K-1, etc.), I have hard time imagining what type > of miracle Ricoh can pull out of its proverbial sleeves. > > For the past year or so, I've been considering buying a K-1. > Thinking about all these trends got me more unsettled: > On one hand, I am thinking if it is worth buying it, as I don't have > all the lenses needed for a FF, and that could've been a future purchase, but > in this situation, will that ever happen? > On the other hand, maybe I should buy it ASAP, before
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Bill, John pointed out to certain types of lenses not being available from Pentax, and that is an important aspect for some Pentax-shooters, especially for some particular applications. (Good examples are some wide-angle fast lenses, under "ART" label, Bigma and variations.) However, even if you are totally satisfied with the lenses from Pentax, you are still affected by what Sigma and other 3rd-party manufacturers discontinuing their lens production for Pentax bodies: Lack of the "entry-level" budget lenses is a turn-away factor for the potential Pentax shooters. I can tell you that while most of my most used lenses are by Pentax, I have a few lenses for "niche" applications, where I am not willing to spend big bucks for very little use, and where 3rd-party lenses are just good enough. Moreover, when I started with my very first Pentax camera (Zx-5n), I could not afford fast Pentax lenses, and my first two lenses were Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8 (which John also loved), which was a great lens for a reasonable price, and a Tamron 70-300/ 4-5.6, which was not the greatest, but sufficient for the first few years. Soon after, I bought my first Pentax lens, F 50/1.7 (from Boz). The reason I bought a Pentax camera (even though I had Kiev-19, with a Nikon mount and a prime lens by that time) was the ergonomics of it, and availability of the reasonably-priced quality lenses. (I was comparing it to Nikon N-70 and maybe N-50, as I couldn't afford N-90. And Rebel was out of consideration for being, imho, inferior to all aforementioned cameras.) Then, as my needs and abilities (both photographic and monetary) were growing, I started purchasing more serious lenses - mostly from Pentax. But even then, - when I needed a wide-angle, relatively fast lens, I bought a Sigma one, 28/1.8 (from Miserere). And that served well for its purpose for 1-2 years that I needed it. My point is that 3rd-party, less expensive lenses provide a pathway for many photographers with limited budget, both at the entry to the "system", and at later stages of using the "system". I also wanted to point out that Sigma pulling out its resources from Pentax eco-system is not the culprit in itself, but rather an indicator of the market position of Pentax/Ricoh. According to the information I found on PetaPixel, https://petapixel.com/2019/01/15/canon-1-in-both-dslr-and-mirrorless-sales-in-japan-in-2018/ Ricoh had 3.1% of the DSLRs market share in 2018, which was down from 4.2% in 2017, and 4.8% in 2016 (6.7% in 2015, 4.5% in 2014, 5.2% in 2013, and 7.5% in 2011; no info in 2012, as it fell behind Sony that had 7.1%). All these numbers are just for Japan, but I suspect the world-wide numbers are not much better, if at all. Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto=en=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bcnaward.jp%2Faward%2Fgallery%2Fdetail%2Fcontents_type%3D251%26date%3D2018 https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3fjmm9b It's a sad trend. What's even worth that it is a shrinking part of an overall shrinking market: Overall DSLR market is also shrinking, compared to the rest of digital cameras, and so is the digital camera market in general (22% down for 2018, compared to 2017). https://nikonrumors.com/2019/07/08/digital-camera-market-down-22-for-2018-the-latest-global-market-share-canon-40-5-nikon-19-1-sony-17-7.aspx/ I leave the estimate of the decline of Pentax DSLR sales in absolute numbers as an exercise to the inquiring minds, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is to a quarter of those in 2017. With all the desire to find a bright light somewhere in this picture, I am unable to do that. In this combination of the unfortunate global market trends and the dynamics within Pentax (seemingly little to no progress, as witnessed by the lack of an APS-C flagship for several years, slow appearance of FF lenses for K-1, etc.), I have hard time imagining what type of miracle Ricoh can pull out of its proverbial sleeves. For the past year or so, I've been considering buying a K-1. Thinking about all these trends got me more unsettled: On one hand, I am thinking if it is worth buying it, as I don't have all the lenses needed for a FF, and that could've been a future purchase, but in this situation, will that ever happen? On the other hand, maybe I should buy it ASAP, before it would become unavailable... Igor PS. Yet another fun-fact: "Of Japan’s eight digital camera makers, a group which includes Nikon, Canon and Fujifilm, only one posted sales and profit growth in the most recent annual period: Sony." Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/japanese-camera-companies-fight-for-survival-in-the-smartphone-era.html John Tue, 10 Sep 2019 09:53:38 -0700 wrote: Except that I am a PENTAX shooter. I don't need a "reason". I made that choice years ago and see no reason to change now. But there are notable absences of some more desirable focal lengths & maximum apertures from the current Pentax
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
On 10/9/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hell, where you going to find a manual focus Pentax-A 85mm f/1.4 that Cotty >hasn't already butchered to put it on a Canon? Sadly they've all been butchered back to stock (sans aperture lever!) as I don't own Canon kit and haven't for well over a decade :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Except that I am a PENTAX shooter. I don't need a "reason". I made that choice years ago and see no reason to change now. But there are notable absences of some more desirable focal lengths & maximum apertures from the current Pentax lens roadmap. Where you going to find a FULL FRAME auto-focus 85mm f/1.4 for your K-1? Hell, where you going to find a manual focus Pentax-A 85mm f/1.4 that Cotty hasn't already butchered to put it on a Canon?8^) For a while there, Sigma, Tamron & Tokina made some fairly desirable, high quality after-market lenses in Pentax mount, even some lenses Pentax never offered. Lack of third party support is going to doom Pentax in the long run. I'm all right, because I managed to get everything I want (I know the difference between want & need) "while the gettin' was good", but how is Pentax going to attract a fair share of the few younger people who will want a REAL CAMERA instead of just an iPhone? Who will want to buy Pentax when there's no "Pentax glass" left, and no third party support? On 9/10/2019 12:10:20, William Robb wrote: Considering that about the only reason in existence to use a Pentax body is to shoot Pentax glass, I'm not seeing an issue. If you really want to use a non Pentax lens, there are plenty of non Pentax bodies to choose from. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:30 AM John wrote: As I noted in response to the other Sigma thread, Sigma stopped making lenses in Pentax KAF mounts several years back. They've been selling off their stock of Pentax mount lenses on an "as available" basis for at least a year & none of their ART lenses have been available in Pentax mount. On 9/9/2019 16:10:04, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option available any more. 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a different market niche. In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you probably shouldn't wait too long. Cheers, Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
It might be like the Co-Design deal Pentax had with Tokina where all the Pentax mount 12-20 lenses were branded Pentax, and Tokina only sold lenses for Nikon, Cannon & Sony under their own name. The Pentax mount 15-30mm f/2.8 in PKaf mount is *ONLY* available from Pentax, but the same lens is available as a "Tamron SP 15-30mm f/2.8 Di VC USD" Lens for Nikon, Canon & Sony. Tamron will likely continue to manufacture lenses in Pentax PKaf mount, but they'll only be available under the Pentax brand name. On 9/9/2019 16:20:58, Gonz wrote: I heard Tamron is out too. --R On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:10 PM Igor PDML-StR wrote: Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option available any more. 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a different market niche. In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you probably shouldn't wait too long. Cheers, Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Considering that about the only reason in existence to use a Pentax body is to shoot Pentax glass, I'm not seeing an issue. If you really want to use a non Pentax lens, there are plenty of non Pentax bodies to choose from. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:30 AM John wrote: > As I noted in response to the other Sigma thread, Sigma stopped making > lenses in > Pentax KAF mounts several years back. > > They've been selling off their stock of Pentax mount lenses on an "as > available" > basis for at least a year & none of their ART lenses have been available > in > Pentax mount. > > On 9/9/2019 16:10:04, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making > lenses for > > Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: > > > https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ > > > > If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: > > 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option > available any > > more. > > 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced > competition > > for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure > > for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. > > > > Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? > > There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a > different > > market niche. > > > > > > In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you > probably > > shouldn't wait too long. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Igor > > > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
As I noted in response to the other Sigma thread, Sigma stopped making lenses in Pentax KAF mounts several years back. They've been selling off their stock of Pentax mount lenses on an "as available" basis for at least a year & none of their ART lenses have been available in Pentax mount. On 9/9/2019 16:10:04, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option available any more. 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a different market niche. In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you probably shouldn't wait too long. Cheers, Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Well, Tokina had an agreement with Hoya to co-develop lenses and not produce any in K mount. Tamron currently has such an agreement with Ricoh. Sigma doesn't, but they made noises several years ago about how difficult it was to engineer lenses for multiple incompatible lens mounts. I suspect that part of Ricohs introduction of an almost fully electronic mount, (KAF4), was to make it more attractive for Sigma to build compatible lenses. If so, it looks like that certainly worked out well. On 9/9/2019 4:10 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option available any more. 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a different market niche. In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you probably shouldn't wait too long. Cheers, Igor -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
I suspect with Tamron it is co designing and licensing. The D FA 50/1.4 being an example. They are licensing their Opera 50/1.4 design from Ricoh. On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 1:21 PM Gonz wrote: > I heard Tamron is out too. > > --R > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:10 PM Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > > > Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making > lenses > > for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: > > > https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ > > > > If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: > > 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option > > available any more. > > 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced > > competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure > > for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. > > > > Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? > > There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a > > different market niche. > > > > > > In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you > > probably shouldn't wait too long. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Igor > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > > -- > -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding > it still. Dorothea Lange > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
I heard Tamron is out too. --R On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:10 PM Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses > for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: > https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ > > If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: > 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option > available any more. > 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced > competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure > for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. > > Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? > There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a > different market niche. > > > In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you > probably shouldn't wait too long. > > Cheers, > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?
Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making lenses for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/ If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community: 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option available any more. 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses. Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron? There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a different market niche. In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you probably shouldn't wait too long. Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
