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I guess they could have been following them. If not, it strikes me as pretty good evidence. mbs > I think that it was 5 minutes or so. > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 01:47:08PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote: > > How long was 'right away'? > > > > suspiciously, > > max The only evidence > against the FBI > > > is that they were on the site right away.
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I think that it was 5 minutes or so. On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 01:47:08PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote: > How long was 'right away'? > > suspiciously, > max > > > > > Tim gives a very hard edge to a serious controversy. I was interviewed by > > a woman writing a book about the role of the "hubby-bomber." He makes it > > sound as if those who doubt his guilt think that the FBI planted the bomb. > > I doubt that many people believe that. The only evidence against the FBI > > is that they were on the site right away. > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That was my intuition. On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:50:41AM -0700, Devine, James wrote: > Michael Perelman writes: >Tim gives a very hard edge to a serious > controversy. I was interviewed by a woman writing a book about the role of > the "hubby-bomber." He makes it sound as if those who doubt his guilt think > that the FBI planted the bomb. I doubt that many people believe that. The > only evidence against the FBI is that they were on the site right away.< > > couldn't the bombing have been by someone from the timber industry, while > the FBI had such a good response time because they were "surveilling" the > victims? Or maybe the FBI was happy to ignore the fact that some timber > industry goon was bombing an official enemy? (It's like the Fibbies who > "infiltrated" the KKK only to participate in its activities.) > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:26750] Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Judi Bari Wins! Michael Perelman writes: >Tim gives a very hard edge to a serious controversy. I was interviewed by a woman writing a book about the role of the "hubby-bomber." He makes it sound as if those who doubt his guilt think that the FBI planted the bomb. I doubt that many people believe that. The only evidence against the FBI is that they were on the site right away.< couldn't the bombing have been by someone from the timber industry, while the FBI had such a good response time because they were "surveilling" the victims? Or maybe the FBI was happy to ignore the fact that some timber industry goon was bombing an official enemy? (It's like the Fibbies who "infiltrated" the KKK only to participate in its activities.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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How long was 'right away'? suspiciously, max > > Tim gives a very hard edge to a serious controversy. I was interviewed by > a woman writing a book about the role of the "hubby-bomber." He makes it > sound as if those who doubt his guilt think that the FBI planted the bomb. > I doubt that many people believe that. The only evidence against the FBI > is that they were on the site right away.
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Tim gives a very hard edge to a serious controversy. I was interviewed by a woman writing a book about the role of the "hubby-bomber." He makes it sound as if those who doubt his guilt think that the FBI planted the bomb. I doubt that many people believe that. The only evidence against the FBI is that they were on the site right away. In response to Max's question, the judge refused to let the plaintiffs put on a case based on the past practices of the FBI. The case against the FBI was not so much that they planted the bomb, but that once they accused Bari and Cherney, they began to use their "guilt" as an excuse to start going after people associated with the environmental movement. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm more afraid of the FBI than of Earth First. No tree-hugger ever denied me my constitutional rights. mbs > The largest question of all is Did any of the Earth > First work on the north coast save even one tree from > the timber industry? > > tim > > --- Max Sawicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The "larger question" is misconduct by a law > > enforcement > > agency that is acquiring increasing powers as we > > speak, > > not the possible details of a domestic dispute. We > > should > > keep our priorities straight. > > > > mbs > > > > > > > > > While clearly the verdict in this trial is > > > appropriate, in that the FBI and the Oakland PD > > failed > > > to properly investigate the bombing and blamed the > > > victims in a political attack against them, it > > does > > > not address the larger question: Who *did* bomb > > Judy > > > Bari? That the FBI botched the investigation does > > not > > > mean the FBI itself bombed her. > > > > > > I've already been accused of being an FBI flunky > > for > > > not buying into the Ruppert conspiracy nonsense > > about > > > 9-11. But I don't buy into the FBI-bombed-Bari > > story, > > > either. From my perspective, the simplest solution > > is > > > usually the best, and when a woman gets attacked > > nine > > > times out of ten it's by a man in her life; in > > this > > > case, the husband. See: > > > > > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/23/judibari/index_np.html > > > > > > tim > > > --- "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > please expand, with links if possible. > > > > > > > > max > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of > > > > Michael Perelman > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:31 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [PEN-L:26732] Re: Judi Bari Wins! > > > > > > > > > > > > This is excellent news, but just think what the > > > > trial would have been like > > > > if the judge had allowed the COINTELPRO story to > > be > > > > told. > > > > -- > > > > Michael Perelman > > > > Economics Department > > > > California State University > > > > Chico, CA 95929 > > > > > > > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > > > > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > Check out the Chico Examiner listserves at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisorderlyConduct > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChicoLeft > > > > > > Subscribe to the Chico Examiner for only $40 > > annually or $25 for > > > six months. Mail cash or check payabe to "Tim > > Bousquet" to POBox > > > 4627, Chico CA 95927 > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > = > Check out the Chico Examiner listserves at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisorderlyConduct > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChicoLeft > > Subscribe to the Chico Examiner for only $40 annually or $25 for > six months. Mail cash or check payabe to "Tim Bousquet" to POBox > 4627, Chico CA 95927 > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >
