Re: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Richard Dice]

Hi Conrad,

Thanks for following up with this.  (I believe we talked about this once
before, quite a while ago.)

I'll be able to follow up with you about this later this weekend. (I'm on
vacation right now, waiting for a flight to get me into Toronto later this
afternoon.  Then, laundry, and finally getting back on top of email from the
past 2 weeks!)

Cheers,
Richard

On 7/6/07, Conrad Schneiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


After seeing this good news:



http://use.perl.org/articles/07/07/02/1436227.shtml



Andy Lester   writes "For a year or two now,
I've
hosted the Perl 6 and Parrot wikis on my home server, on a not-too-fast
DSL
line, at rakudo.org. They've now been moved to the wiki infrastructure at
perlfoundation.org, on a dedicated box. This means much better
performance,
so if you've tried the wikis before and found them slow, check them out
now.


The moved wiki workspaces are

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/ - Perl 6

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/ - Parrot

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/hackathon-chicago/ - The 2006
hackathon in Chicago

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/hackathon-toronto/ - The 2007
hackathon in Toronto

Thanks to Socialtext   for the hosting.



. I'm following up on an earlier series of threads from over a year ago,
starting with this proposal,



http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2006/05/msg127.html



which eventually morphed into this:



http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2006/08/msg344.html



Anyway, I'd like to wrap this up somehow or other, so here's my latest
question/proposal:



Could I pay/donate TPF $500 to put a moderately prominent/explicit link
somewhere on the perl.org home page to "The Perl 6 Wiki"? (If TPF wanted
to
use that $500 for a Perl 6 microgrant, that would be nice, but that's
entirely optional.) I would then take this as effectively satisfying an
earlier requirement for official Perl 6 Wiki recognition/affiliation, and
award the remaining $500 to Andy Lester.



Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker



 www.AthenaLab.com
Books: The Provably 
Ultimate Foundation of Science.
Inventions: Nano-electron-beam
  and
micro-neutron-beam technology.



Check out the new Perl 6 Workplace Wiki:
http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index.cgi 

RE: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Conrad Schneiker]

After seeing this good news:

 

http://use.perl.org/articles/07/07/02/1436227.shtml

 

Andy Lester   writes "For a year or two now, I've
hosted the Perl 6 and Parrot wikis on my home server, on a not-too-fast DSL
line, at rakudo.org. They've now been moved to the wiki infrastructure at
perlfoundation.org, on a dedicated box. This means much better performance,
so if you've tried the wikis before and found them slow, check them out now.


The moved wiki workspaces are 

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/ - Perl 6 

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/ - Parrot 

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/hackathon-chicago/ - The 2006
hackathon in Chicago 

* http://www.perlfoundation.org/hackathon-toronto/ - The 2007
hackathon in Toronto 

Thanks to Socialtext   for the hosting.

 

. I'm following up on an earlier series of threads from over a year ago,
starting with this proposal,

 

http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2006/05/msg127.html

 

which eventually morphed into this:

 

http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2006/08/msg344.html

 

Anyway, I'd like to wrap this up somehow or other, so here's my latest
question/proposal:

 

Could I pay/donate TPF $500 to put a moderately prominent/explicit link
somewhere on the perl.org home page to "The Perl 6 Wiki"? (If TPF wanted to
use that $500 for a Perl 6 microgrant, that would be nice, but that's
entirely optional.) I would then take this as effectively satisfying an
earlier requirement for official Perl 6 Wiki recognition/affiliation, and
award the remaining $500 to Andy Lester.

 

Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker

 

  www.AthenaLab.com
Books: The Provably 
Ultimate Foundation of Science.
Inventions: Nano-electron-beam
  and
micro-neutron-beam technology.

 

Check out the new Perl 6 Workplace Wiki:
http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index.cgi  

 

 

Re: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Yes. (Or endorsement by @Larry.) My guess is that something like this is
necessary to overcome the past reluctance of others to use *any* of the
previously suggested, currently existing wikis.


Right on.

Currently the Parrot PDD's say that the docs that must be written in
POD, even though XML (or HTML for that matter) has its advantages (see
parrot/trunk/docs/pdds/pdd00_pdd.pod ). It also welcomes contributions
and even says "Think of them as Wiki pages, but without the HTML" (see
parrot/trunk/docs/pdds/README ; it was written in 2001). I already
started submitting patches to it, which is indeed almost-wiki, but
well-done deployment in a nicely-designed wiki site with Web2.0-style
eye-candy, can do a lot of good publicity and make the synopses
develop faster - instead of making people go through the hoops of
installing SVN, submitting patches through RT etc.

Of course some people can say that those hoops are a good anti-vandal
measure ...

And by the way - *maybe i am missing something*, but is there a plan
for the final outline of Perl 6 documentation which will (?) come with
the default installation? The current Perl 6 "Synopsis \d{1,2}" name
format carries no information about the contents. I like the Perl 5
style - perlperl, perlrun, perlfaq\d, perlfunc etc. It may seem a
little weird to beginners, but is easy once they get used to it; plus
it's a good tradition.

RE: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Conrad Schneiker]

> From: Paul Fenwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Conrad Schneiker wrote:
> > Hopefully someone at The Perl Foundation (perl.org) will read and
> respond to
> > this.
> >
> > (Other comments and suggestions are certainly welcome, however.)
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I'm not suggesting that PerlNet ( http://perl.net.au/ ) become the One
> True P6 Wiki, although I'd be delighted if it did.  However I am eager
> for PerlNet to improve as much as possible.
> 
> What I am curious to know is how could PerlNet better meet your needs,
> and the needs of the Perl community.  I'm gathering that two things high
> on the list are:
> 
>   * Official endorsement of The Perl Foundation (including
> linkage from perl.org)

Yes. (Or endorsement by @Larry.) My guess is that something like this is
necessary to overcome the past reluctance of others to use *any* of the
previously suggested, currently existing wikis.

>   * Synchronisation between the wiki and svn.

That's not a critical requirement for me (because I don't know how
{feasible, reliable, manageable} it would be at present), but I certainly
think that would be an awesomely cool and extremely useful feature to have.

> Is there anything else?

I think that does it.

> I'm certainly NOT after any money here.  I'm after ways to make PerlNet
> more valuable to the community.
> 
> Many thanks, and all the very best,

Likewise.

Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker

http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6_Users_FAQ (Moved from AthenaLab to Perl 6
Wiki.)

www.AthenaLab.com (Nano-electron-beam and micro-neutron-beam technology.)

Re: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Paul Fenwick]

G'day Conrad / P6 users,

Conrad Schneiker wrote:
> Hopefully someone at The Perl Foundation (perl.org) will read and respond to
> this. 
> 
> (Other comments and suggestions are certainly welcome, however.)

[snip]

I'm not suggesting that PerlNet ( http://perl.net.au/ ) become the One
True P6 Wiki, although I'd be delighted if it did.  However I am eager
for PerlNet to improve as much as possible.

What I am curious to know is how could PerlNet better meet your needs,
and the needs of the Perl community.  I'm gathering that two things high
on the list are:

* Official endorsement of The Perl Foundation (including
  linkage from perl.org)

* Synchronisation between the wiki and svn.

Is there anything else?

I'm certainly NOT after any money here.  I'm after ways to make PerlNet
more valuable to the community.

Many thanks, and all the very best,

Paul

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Perl Training Australia| Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

RE: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Conrad Schneiker]

> From: Andy Lester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Conrad Schneiker wrote:
> 
> > Could I just pay someone at TPF $1,000 to set up a wiki *for* Perl
> > 6 on
> > perl.org?
> >
[...]
> >
> > Whatever wiki TPF chooses is fine with me.
> 
> I'm working on a wiki right now.  I work for Socialtext, an
> enterprise wiki company, and I'm working on getting a wiki up for
> Perl docs.

That certainly seems like intriguing news 

Will there be a reasonably prominent link to your wiki from the perl.org
home page?

Will your wiki somehow be sufficiently {affiliated with, endorsed by, or
featured by} perl.org such that {Perl 6, Parrot, and Perl 5.10} developers
and users will (most likely) generally regard it as the new {primary,
central} Perl 6 related wiki for the foreseeable medium-term future? 

Perhaps the best {fast, heuristic} way to address the above sorts of
concerns is this: if the general @Larry consensus is that the $1k check
should go to you, that's sufficient for me. Does that seem reasonable? (3rd
party feedback from other readers is also welcome.)

PS: Could your wiki provide some mechanism so that users with #perl6 commit
bits could use your wiki as the means to update pugs docs and Perl 6
Cookbook code in the svn tree? If so, how much $ would someone have to raise
to make that happen?

Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker

http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6_Users_FAQ (Moved from AthenaLab to Perl 6
Wiki.)

www.AthenaLab.com (Nano-electron-beam and micro-neutron-beam technology.)

Re: Latest $1,000 Wiki for Perl 6 proposal/offer.

[Andy Lester]

On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Conrad Schneiker wrote:

Could I just pay someone at TPF $1,000 to set up a wiki *for* Perl  
6 on

perl.org?



Whatever wiki TPF chooses is fine with me.


I'm working on a wiki right now.  I work for Socialtext, an  
enterprise wiki company, and I'm working on getting a wiki up for  
Perl docs.


xoa

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