RE: [pestlist] [OSG] Pests and a Contemporary Installation-Heat treatment

[Hascall, Jamie, DCA]

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I agree with Mina's recommendation about heat treatment for this sort of
material. The problem is that apart from solar heating techniques that
we're able to use here in New Mexico, it generally seems far easier to
locate commercial sized low temperature facilities than places that
larger objects or quantities can be heat treated. At the 2001 PRE-MAL
IPM Workshop in Stockholm, it was suggested to use sauna facilities for
this sort of treatment. It was a very Scandinavian solution to this
particular problem.

Jamie Hascall
Chief Preparator
Exhibits Central
Museum Resources Division, DCA
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-476-5079

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Megan Emery; pestlist@museumpests.net; os...@lists.stanford.edu
Subject: RE: [pestlist] [OSG] Pests and a Contemporary Installation

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Megan,

I also wanted to throw in my two cents for heat treatment.  It's by far
the fastest (it is sometimes used to kill termites in buildings:
130degrees F for about an hour is all that's necessary, though of course
that means 130 at the core of the "artifact").

Again, we do this for props (a tree branch in an installation, in fact)
in New Mexico.  Again, it may not be feasible in Ohio at this time of
year.  I imagine there are companies who do this, much like freezer
trucks, but I have never looked into it.  With heat, though, there is
also the problem of drying out the wood, more so if there are leaves on
the trees.  Again all this has to be weighed with other eradication
options.  I agree with everyone else that the branches MUST be treated
before installation.

I'd be happy to give you more details about it if you're interested.  

As for importing something and outside of the branches themselves, there
are international regulations for spraying wooden crates (if that is
what branches would be shipped in).  We received a large shipment from
Indonesia that had been quarantined in Los Angeles for many weeks.  It
had been sprayed with Methyl Bromide in Indonesia, and I'm not sure if
it was in California as well.  (Yes it is banned, but it still has
limited use.)  There were a couple of problems with this:  1) though
methyl bromide is supposed to evaporate within 24 hours, there was an
overwhelming sweet smell (we've determined it was most likely M.B. and
not a solvent carrier) when the crate was opened and 2) there was still
at least one live auger beetle inside the crate.  

Good luck-
Mina

Mina Thompson
Associate Conservator
Conservation Department
Museum Resources Division, DCA
P.O. Box 2087
Santa Fe, NM 87504-2087
Phone:  (505) 476-1238
Fax: (505) 476-1227
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From: osg-l-boun...@lists.stanford.edu
[mailto:osg-l-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Megan Emery
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:59 AM
To: pestlist@museumpests.net; 'os...@lists.stanford.edu'
Subject: [OSG] Pests and a Contemporary Installation

Hello everyone,

I am cross-posting this query to both OSG and the Pest-list as I hope to
find an answer to this dilemma soon.  Our Curator of Dec Arts & Design
approached me yesterday with a proposal from the designers the Campana
Brothers.  At the request of our institution, they have proposed the
design for an installation in our temporary exhibition space for
Contemporary Art.  They would like to fill the room with bare tree
branches- on the walls, floor, hanging from the ceiling, etc and then
place permanent collection objects throughout, including a carved
bedroom set, fashion arts, ceramics, paintings, and so on.

My initial reaction to the curator was that this could work, but that
the branches would have to be bagged and frozen prior to arrival at the
museum.  We do not have a freezer for collections, therefore it would
have to take place off-site and for an unknown expense.  My suggestions
have not been received well by some.   Since the designers are located
in Brazil, we also don't know where the branches will be coming from.
Is it possible to purchase treated bare branches?  I assumed freezing
would be the low-cost option, but am I overlooking another treatment?
Or am I overreacting to the potential pest hazard of bringing a large
number of tree branches into the museum?

The curator is drafting a contract as I type this, and I would like to
include some requirements if possible.  If anyone has had experience
working with artists using large 

[pestlist] active nitrogen anoxia

[Jerry Shiner]

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Jan

The Veloxy system is one of many very similar applications of nitrogen-purge 
based anoxia. The basic apparatus needed to do this can be assembled without 
the need of Veloxy or any other intermediary. 
All systems will consist of 
1. a nitrogen generator (essentially a compressor and filter apparatus), 
2. a means of humidifying the nitrogen output (the nitrogen generator will 
remove all the moisture, as well as the oxygen from the air)
3. an oxygen analyzer to determine the oxygen level in the system
4. a container or series of containers to hold the artefacts being disinfected 
(whether a plastic bag or a rigid container, good sealing is extremely 
important)
5. Support and attention (someone has to know what you are doing)

I urge you to do some further research into anoxia before you purchase from 
anyone. There are many providers at this time, but this is a mechanical system, 
and must be very carefully set up and operated once purchased. 

It is also both possible (and extremely cost effective) to do smaller 
treatments using a passive oxygen absorbers (such as Ageless) and barrier film 
bags. Occasional larger treatments can be done using nitrogen from a tank. If 
your need is not large, consider this.

It is my observation that different conservation communities have slightly 
different approaches. Good luck

js

Jerry Shiner
Keepsafe Microclimate Systems
Specialists in the design, procurement, and installation of environmental 
control systems for museums and archives
www.keepsafe.ca  i...@keepsafe.ca
+1 416 703 4696   +1 800 683 4696  

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Sent: 10/5/2009 8:32 AM
To: "pestlist@museumpests.net" 
Subject: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean




Dear Mr Basset,

I have found your email extremely important. I own private commercial
conservation and restoration studio in Poland and I was thinking  about
using veloxy system technology in my practice. Could you please be so kind
and describe me precisely  what real problem is with veloxy machine.

Jan Dondajewski


Pracownia Konserwacji Grafiki
Jan Dondajewski
ul. Wolnica 7/8
61-764 Poznań
Poland
tel/fax: +48 61 855 20 67
tel: +48 601 785 237
jan.dondajew...@gmail.com

2009/10/5 

>
> Dear all,
>
>
> It is necessary to pay attention with the systeme veloxy, there are problém
> with this machine.
> Besides, the report of the project save art is untraceable, and the sociétè
> which markets this machine does not absolutely re-lay.
> I have of the other fournissuer if you wish.
>
> M Tony BASSET
> Bibliothèque nationale de France
> Laboratoire scientifique et technique
> section microbiologie /unité désinfection
> 14 avenue Gutenberg
> 77 600 Bussy Saint Georges
> Tél: 01 53 79 38 34
> Fax: 0153 79 39 10
>
>
>
>
>
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> Dear all museumpestlist
> VELOXY is the smallest (all over the world) and
> less heavy tool to apply the anoxia method in museums archives and
> libraries ; it was properly developed for this purpose and certified by
> an European project in 1998 - 2000. Since that time it was improved
> upon the suggestions of the people in charge of conservation
> Institutes.
> Please give a look to the references at RGI's web site: www.
> rgi-genova.com
> thanks to everybody of you for any welcome comments and
> suggestions
> Ercole Gialdi (rgi...@tiscali.it)
>
>
>
> Messaggio
> originale
> Da: lmf...@hotmail.com
> Data: 01/10/2009 11..05
> A:
> 
> Ogg: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean
>
>
> Dear
> Linda,
>
> We've been working with EXPM in Portugal and we can confirm
> their successful performance in book disinfestation. Static/semi-
> dynamic anoxia bubbles are particularly useful for great collection
> volumes such as the ones you have.
>
> Right now we're looking for smaller
> anoxia systems for smaller objects. The little volume of anoxia needed
> makes big anoxia generation economically less viable.
>
> Greetings for
> everyone for such great discussions.
>
> Luís Pinho
>
> --
> 20|21 Conservação
> e Restauro de Arte Contemporânea, Lda.
> www.2021.pt
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> Serralves, Rua de Serralves 954, Porto
> Atelier: Rua do Rosário 339-B,
> 1º Esq, Porto
> tel +351 22 010 98 71
> mob +351 96 008 06 0
>
>
>
> Date:
> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:35:50 

Re: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean

[Sharlane Gubkin]

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Here is a link to one article about determining effectiveness of
anoxia treatments for museum objects based on their ability to kill
insects in the core of various materials.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0611/0611199.pdf

As you all know, there is much more info available about results of
testing with different treatments.

Because we can not take apart or saw through our museum objects, we
need to rely on independent testing done by legitimate researchers in
the field. Based on their findings we can hopefully trust that insects
that can't be seen will be successfully killed in all their stages if
the same procedures they used are carefully followed.

 I deal with books and paper so the insects and their larvae we are
concerned about are quite visible under 10X magnification and do not
hide inside of a three dimensional object that can not be readily
opened and thoroughly inspected.

Respectfully,
Sharlane G.






On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Luís Pinho  wrote:
> You`re right Sharlane. Gialdi vs Basset is the useless discussion. Pardon
> me, please.
> By the way, how do you measure anoxia treatments` effectiveness? Can you
> find the bugs you`ve killed but can`t be seen?
> Luis Pinho
>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:28:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean
>> From: s...@case.edu
>> To: pestlist@museumpests.net
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I AM interested in this discussion, and feel it is pertinent to the
>> list as there are not too many suppliers of the type of equipment used
>> for this process, and those considering using it or who already have
>> it want to know the facts concerning its effectiveness (since this has
>> been called into question.)
>>
>> What do you and others feel IS the appropriate time and place for this
>> type of question if not a public list-serve specifically about
>> treatments for eradicating/preventing infestations of pests?
>>
>> When a particular discussion is not useful to me (and there are many),
>> I just do not read it and then delete any with the same thread as soon
>> they appear in my e-mail.
>>
>> Sharlane Gubkin
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Luís Pinho  wrote:
>> > As this mailing list is not a public market, a court or something
>> > similar,
>> > it would be great to leave the VELOXY questions to another time and
>> > place..
>> >
>> > I'm not interested in this useless discussion.
>> >
>> > Luís Pinho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:05:57 +0200
>> >> From: rgi...@tiscali.it
>> >> To: pestlist@museumpests.net
>> >> Subject: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear friends of PESTLIST,
>> >> I red from home (because a flue) the
>> >> astonishing message of Dr. Basset concerning Veloxy; I will write as
>> >> soon as possible a message to everybody of you showing the references
>> >> of the equipment that was developed , certified and that is
>> >> successfully applied in the list of Conservation Institutes that are in
>> >> our references at the web site : www.rgi-genova.com.
>> >> In my next message
>> >> I will list the persons that can be contacted to know exactly if VELOXY
>> >> had problems in their Conservation Institues.
>> >> As the matter of the
>> >> facts, Dr. Basset has not used Veloxy, until now, because it was
>> >> crashed during the transport from Italy to France and for this reason,
>> >> could not jet be installed at the National Library de France in Paris..
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea why Dr. Basset, to whom I have a lot of respect, informs
>> >> all of you that there are some problems in Veloxy system.
>> >> Sincerely
>> >> Ercole Gialdi
>> >> RGI Resource Group Integrator
>> >> Genova (Italy)
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> Messaggio originale
>> >> Da: jan.dondajew...@gmail.com
>> >> Data: 05/10/2009
>> >> 13.07
>> >> A: 
>> >> Ogg: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist]
>> >> Moving Clean
>> >>
>> >> Dear Mr Basset,
>> >>
>> >> I have found your email extremely
>> >> important. I own private commercial
>> >> conservation and restoration studio
>> >> in Poland and I was thinking about
>> >> using veloxy system technology in
>> >> my practice. Could you please be so kind
>> >> and describe me precisely

RE: Att Mr Trey Crumpton: Re: [pestlist] Grant for Walk-in Freezer/ CO2 Bubble

[Carl Mehling]

I have tried unsuccessfully to unsubscribe a couple of ways over the last
few weeks unsuccessfully. Can I please be unsubscribed?

Thanks,

Carl

 

Carl Mehling
Fossil Amphibian, Reptile, and Bird Collections
Division of Paleontology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West @79th Street
New York, NY  10024
(212) 769-5849
Fax: (212) 769-5842
c...@amnh.org

  _  

From: pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net [mailto:pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net]
On Behalf Of Rui Marto Fonseca - EXPM Lda.
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:03 AM
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: Att Mr Trey Crumpton: Re: [pestlist] Grant for Walk-in Freezer/ CO2
Bubble

 

Dear Mr. Trey Crumpton,

Concerning your info demand we would like to inform you about our options on
pesticide-free disinfestations systems, namely:

- EXPM6 Anoxia chamber, that can work with nitrogen or CO2, it is a
permanent apparatus stainless steel made of - you may find commercial info
with PEL-UK - www.preservationequipment.co.uk
 

- EXPM3Light Anoxia Chamber with nityrogen producing system - if you would
be interested we can send you the technicall and commercial info

- Heavy-duty Freezer - depending on the temperature and dimensions needed,
we can provide you a quotation

Feel free to ask for any further information.

Kind regards,



 

2009/10/2 Crumpton, Trey 

I am looking into writing a grant for a walk-in freezer and/or a CO2 chamber
to treat a large number of history and natural history objects (I am
considering a permanent apparatus that would be kept around for future use
by the museum, though a portable unit is always an option).  I was wondering
if anyone has gone through this process recently, or would have specs and
pricing on such items.  I'd like to have some insight into issues or
problems involved (i.e. finding a freezer that can get down to -25 and stay
there).

Any comments will be appreciated,

 

Trey Crumpton

Assistant Collections Manager

Mayborn Museum Complex

Baylor University

One Bear Place #97154

Waco, Texas  76798-7154

(254) 710-1190

Fax:  (254) 710-1173

www.maybornmuseum.com  

 

 






-- 
Rui Marto Fonseca
Gestor Produto / Product Manager
Tlm: 00351 917885010

EXPM, Desinfestacao e Higienizacao, Lda

Equipamentos e Servicos para Preservacao e Conservacao de Acervos /
Equipment & Services for the Preservation and Maintenance of Collections

ESCRITORIO / OFFICE: R. Prof. Dias Valente, n.32 - Edificio Copacabana, 4B -
2765-578 Estoril
Tel: 00351 214661910 / Fax: 00351 214661523
Email: rfons...@expm.com.pt

ARMAZEM / STOREHOUSE: R. Fonte da Carreira, 350 - Armazem 10 A - Mata Sete -
Manique de Baixo - 2645-467 Alcabideche
Tel: 00351 210936238

[pestlist]

[rafael paulino]

-- Forwarded message --
From: rafael paulino 
Date: 2009/10/6
Subject:
To: pestl...@museumpest.net


Dear all,

My name is Rafael Paulino. I am the coordinator of the conservation  and
document restoration of the General archives of the Nation of the Dominican
Republic. Here still the Conservation is a baby of hardly 3 years..Recently
we have been trying to install Integrated Pest Management in our
institution. We have found information very interesting about this issues,
especially in museumpest.net. n very thanked for if they show an application
to me in his institutions of the  Policies Document. I need an example
adapted to a real case.

Thank you very much by its attentions.

PD: I request excuses because I speak the English very badly. If somebody
wants to post the answers to me in French or Spanish.

Rafael Paulino
Departamento de Conservaciony Servicios Tecnicos
Archivo General de La Nacion
Republica Dominicana

Att Mr Trey Crumpton: Re: [pestlist] Grant for Walk-in Freezer/ CO2 Bubble

[Rui Marto Fonseca - EXPM Lda.]

Dear Mr. Trey Crumpton,
Concerning your info demand we would like to inform you about our options on
pesticide-free disinfestations systems, namely:
- EXPM6 Anoxia chamber, that can work with nitrogen or CO2, it is a
permanent apparatus stainless steel made of - you may find commercial info
with PEL-UK - www.preservationequipment.co.uk
- EXPM3Light Anoxia Chamber with nityrogen producing system - if you would
be interested we can send you the technicall and commercial info
- Heavy-duty Freezer - depending on the temperature and dimensions needed,
we can provide you a quotation
Feel free to ask for any further information.
Kind regards,



2009/10/2 Crumpton, Trey 

>  I am looking into writing a grant for a walk-in freezer and/or a CO2
> chamber to treat a large number of history and natural history objects (I am
> considering a permanent apparatus that would be kept around for future use
> by the museum, though a portable unit is always an option).  I was wondering
> if anyone has gone through this process recently, or would have specs and
> pricing on such items.  I’d like to have some insight into issues or
> problems involved (i.e. finding a freezer that can get down to -25 and stay
> there).
>
> Any comments will be appreciated,
>
>
>
> *Trey Crumpton*
>
> Assistant Collections Manager
>
> Mayborn Museum Complex
>
> Baylor University
>
> One Bear Place #97154
>
> Waco, Texas  76798-7154
>
> (254) 710-1190
>
> Fax:  (254) 710-1173
>
> www.maybornmuseum.com
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Rui Marto Fonseca
Gestor Produto / Product Manager
Tlm: 00351 917885010

EXPM, Desinfestacao e Higienizacao, Lda

Equipamentos e Servicos para Preservacao e Conservacao de Acervos /
Equipment & Services for the Preservation and Maintenance of Collections

ESCRITORIO / OFFICE: R. Prof. Dias Valente, n.32 - Edificio Copacabana, 4B -
2765-578 Estoril
Tel: 00351 214661910 / Fax: 00351 214661523
Email: rfons...@expm.com.pt

ARMAZEM / STOREHOUSE: R. Fonte da Carreira, 350 - Armazem 10 A - Mata Sete -
Manique de Baixo - 2645-467 Alcabideche
Tel: 00351 210936238

RE R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean

[Tony . BASSET]

Dear all, 

I'm very surpried,  I'm using  Veloxy since  two months.
My comment concerns especially the scientific information and the 
validation of the system veloxy. For two years I try to find this 
information but you never answer Mr Gialdi. I'm very happy now  because 
you send me now all the information
Besides, if the anoxia is validated, I ask a lot of question on the 
equipment of the Veloxy, for example the oxymeter (calibration). On 
practical questions of maintenance and calibration of the materiel. 
You never send me this information. 
I Know another user and they are a same questions. 
If somebody looks for complementaires information you can me write on my 
personal e-mail, not to block the forum.

I think, it's very important to find this information in this forum when 
we want to buy something.

Thank

M Tony BASSET
Bibliothèque nationale de France
Laboratoire scientifique et technique
section microbiologie /unité désinfection
14 avenue Gutenberg
77 600 Bussy Saint Georges
Tél: 01 53 79 38 34 
Fax: 0153 79 39 10 








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Dear friends of PESTLIST,
I red from home (because a flue) the 
astonishing message of Dr. Basset concerning Veloxy; I will write as 
soon as possible a message to everybody of you showing the references 
of the equipment that was developed , certified and that is 
successfully applied in the list of Conservation Institutes that are in 
our references at the web site : www.rgi-genova.com.
In my next message 
I will list the persons that can be contacted to know exactly if VELOXY 
had problems in their Conservation Institues.
As the matter of the 
facts, Dr. Basset has not used Veloxy, until now, because it was 
crashed during the transport from Italy to France and for this reason, 
could not jet  be installed at the National Library de France in Paris.

I have no idea why Dr. Basset, to whom I have a lot of respect, informs 
all of you that there are some problems in Veloxy system.
Sincerely 
Ercole Gialdi
RGI Resource Group Integrator
Genova (Italy)


Messaggio originale
Da: jan.dondajew...@gmail.com
Data: 05/10/2009 
13.07
A: 
Ogg: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] 
Moving Clean

Dear Mr Basset,

I have found your email extremely 
important. I own private commercial
conservation and restoration studio 
in Poland and I was thinking  about
using veloxy system technology in 
my practice. Could you please be so kind
and describe me precisely 
what real problem is with veloxy machine.

Jan Dondajewski


Pracownia 
Konserwacji Grafiki
Jan Dondajewski
ul. Wolnica 7/8
61-764 Pozna?

Poland
tel/fax: +48 61 855 20 67
tel: +48 601 785 237
jan.
dondajew...@gmail.com

2009/10/5 

>
> Dear all,
>

>
> It is necessary to pay attention with the systeme veloxy, there are 
problém
> with this machine.
> Besides, the report of the project save 
art is untraceable, and the sociétè
> which markets this machine does 
not absolutely re-lay.
> I have of the other fournissuer if you wish.
>

> M Tony BASSET
> Bibliothèque nationale de France
> Laboratoire 
scientifique et technique
> section microbiologie /unité désinfection
> 
14 avenue Gutenberg
> 77 600 Bussy Saint Georges
> Tél: 01 53 79 38 34

> Fax: 0153 79 39 10
>
>
>
>
>
> Message de : *"rgi...@tiscali.it" *
> 01/10/2009 15:03
> Envoyé par :
> 
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> Dear all museumpestlist
> VELOXY is the smallest (all over the world) 
and
> less heavy tool to apply the anoxia method in museums archives 
and
> libraries ; it was properly developed for this purpose and 
certified by
> an European project in 1998 - 2000. Since that time it 
was improved
> upon the suggestions of the people in charge of 
conservation
> Institutes.
> Please give a look to the references at 
RGI's web site: www.
> rgi-genova.com
> thanks to everybody of you for 
any welcome comments and
> suggestions
> Ercole Gialdi (rgi...@tiscali.
it)
>
>
>
> Messaggio
> originale
> Da: lmf...@hotmail.com
> 
Data: 01/10/2009 11..05
> A:
> 
> Ogg: RE: 
[pestlist] Moving Clean
>
>
> Dear
> Linda,
>
> We've been working with 
EXPM in Portugal and we can confirm
> their successful performanc

[pestlist] Anoxia

[David Pinniger]

Everybody should read Selwitz and Maekawa, Getty 1998, and the more recent, 
Maekawa and Elert Getty 2003, as the definitive works on Anoxia.
Let us keep the science clear of rhetoric and anecdote!
I have a copy of the Save Art Veloxy project. it should be archived in the EEC 
somewhere.
Veloxy works when you use it properly but it has practical limitations on 
treating large objects because of the flow rates at low O2 levels.
David Pinniger
  - Original Message - 
  From: wlou...@aol.com 
  To: pestlist@museumpests.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:00 AM
  Subject: Re: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean


  A FTIR was use in the research to determine when insects species die at what 
ppm, temperature and in what time frame. Test were done on actual Art objects. 
Also about 25% of time was added as protection. Another protection to bring the 
ppm range lower than needed. In some cases you can see the insect after 
treatment in other cases like European powder post beetle you may not. 

  Bill

  In a message dated 10/5/2009 10:37:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
lmf...@hotmail.com writes:
You`re right Sharlane. Gialdi vs Basset is the useless discussion. Pardon 
me, please. 


By the way, how do you measure anoxia treatments` effectiveness? Can you 
find the bugs you`ve killed but can`t be seen?


Luis Pinho

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:28:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean
> From: s...@case.edu
> To: pestlist@museumpests.net
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> I AM interested in this discussion, and feel it is pertinent to the
> list as there are not too many suppliers of the type of equipment used
> for this process, and those considering using it or who already have
> it want to know the facts concerning its effectiveness (since this has
> been called into question.)
> 
> What do you and others feel IS the appropriate time and place for this
> type of question if not a public list-serve specifically about
> treatments for eradicating/preventing infestations of pests?
> 
> When a particular discussion is not useful to me (and there are many),
> I just do not read it and then delete any with the same thread as soon
> they appear in my e-mail.
> 
> Sharlane Gubkin
> 
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Luís Pinho  wrote:
> > As this mailing list is not a public market, a court or something 
similar,
> > it would be great to leave the VELOXY questions to another time and 
place..
> >
> > I'm not interested in this useless discussion.
> >
> > Luís Pinho
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:05:57 +0200
> >> From: rgi...@tiscali.it
> >> To: pestlist@museumpests.net
> >> Subject: R: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist] Moving Clean
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear friends of PESTLIST,
> >> I red from home (because a flue) the
> >> astonishing message of Dr. Basset concerning Veloxy; I will write as
> >> soon as possible a message to everybody of you showing the references
> >> of the equipment that was developed , certified and that is
> >> successfully applied in the list of Conservation Institutes that are in
> >> our references at the web site : www.rgi-genova.com.
> >> In my next message
> >> I will list the persons that can be contacted to know exactly if VELOXY
> >> had problems in their Conservation Institues.
> >> As the matter of the
> >> facts, Dr. Basset has not used Veloxy, until now, because it was
> >> crashed during the transport from Italy to France and for this reason,
> >> could not jet be installed at the National Library de France in Paris.
> >>
> >> I have no idea why Dr. Basset, to whom I have a lot of respect, informs
> >> all of you that there are some problems in Veloxy system.
> >> Sincerely
> >> Ercole Gialdi
> >> RGI Resource Group Integrator
> >> Genova (Italy)
> >>
> >> 
> >> Messaggio originale
> >> Da: jan.dondajew...@gmail.com
> >> Data: 05/10/2009
> >> 13.07
> >> A: 
> >> Ogg: Re: RE R: RE: [pestlist]
> >> Moving Clean
> >>
> >> Dear Mr Basset,
> >>
> >> I have found your email extremely
> >> important. I own private commercial
> >> conservation and rest