Re: [GENERAL] Errors in other languages
Quoting Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Luis Magaña writes: > > > It is possible to display error messages from PostgreSQL in other > languages rather than English ? > > No The JDBC driver does return it's own error messages in French, Dutch and Italian if the VM is in one of those locales. Peter -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] jdbc connection pool settings
Quoting Culley Harrelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm in the process of implementing connection pooling > and the setup I'm using (http://www.javaexchange.com - > really slick!) has settings for min # connections and > max # connection. Any suggestions on where I should > set these values? min=2, max=6? My site will be > outside the firewall, open to the public for all to > trash. Although you're using JDBC here, this is actually a basic postgres admin problem. The size of your pool would be based on what resources you have available and how much traffic you're expecting. Peter > > Culley > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] How to make PostgreSQL JDBC drive get PGTZ?
Quoting Raymond Chui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> My system time zone (TZ) is set to US Eastern Standard Time is -5 hours
> of
> GMT time
>
> I set
> export PGTZ=GMT
> then go to psql do
>
> insert into a_table (a_column) values ('2001-02-08 18:30:00+00');
> select a_column from a_table;
>
> will get result exactly what I inserted
> 2001-02-08 18:30:00+00
>
> But when I used JDBC drive from org.postgresql.Driver to insert the
> same
> value,
> I got
>
> 2001-02-08 23:30:00+00
>
> This is the value of GMT time at 18:30 of EST time! Which tell me
> the Postgres JDBC drive insert the value in EST time. Why is that?
JDBC (& Java in general) works on a standard timezone so your local date is
converted into GMT (or rather UTC) when it's stored, so what you should use is
getDate() and then use a Calendar object (eg GregorianCalendar) to convert to
your local timezone.
7.1 has the extra methods that can pass a Calendar object implemented (not
fully tested yet, but will be in CVS by the weekend).
There are still a few date/time problems. I'm due in the next few evenings to
start writing the TestCases for Date/Time/Timestamp's so when they are done,
we'll have a firm base to work on (rather than guess work used so far).
>
> I already did
> Properties p = new Properties();
> p.put("PGTZ", "GMT");
> before connect to PostgreSQL server, but no luck!
The JDBC driver only accepts a few properties, and PGTZ isn't one of them, and
never will because Java uses it's own time zone handling.
I'd advise you read up on Calendar to see how timezones are handled.
Peter
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Re: [GENERAL] Auto-timestamp generator (attached)
Quoting Einar Karttunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think that modules like this could be included in the distribution or > archieved at the ftp. They'd make it easier for people new to sql to > start using postgresql. Also there would be no performance loss in > the backend code, as these "modules" don't need any support. This is what /contrib in the source is for ;-) Peter > > - Einar > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Richard Huxton wrote: > > Following the 'new type proposal' discussion recently I decided to > have a > > play at creating an automatic trigger generator. Attached is the sql > and an > > example of its use. > > > > Basically you call a function: > > select lastchg_addto(mytable,mycol); > > where mycol is of type timestamp. The function builds the > > > > To use it you will need plpgsql enabled (man createlang) and also > version > > 7.1 > > After use, there are two functions left - you can remove these with: > > drop function lastchg_addto(text,text); > > drop function lastchg_remove(text,text); > > > > I've tried to layout the plpgsql for ease of understanding - if you > want to > > see how the trigger gets created, you can return exec1 or exec2 > instead of > > the success message. > > > > This just a demo - obviously it's fairly simple to put together > triggers for > > this purpose, but I'd appreciate any thoughts about the approach. > > > > TIA people > > > > Oh - 2 questions for any of the developers/clued up > > > > 1. Is there any way to parse a variable-length list of parameters in > > plpgsql? > > 2. Is there any chance of a different quoting method for functions? > e.g. > > create function ... as q[ ...body here ...]; > >So we can avoid the stuff - it's a lot of static > > > > - Richard Huxton > > > > -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] JDBC & geo objects
Quoting elein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Redirecting to the jdbc list... > > I'm a Java novice and I would like to be able to > use JDBC to get Points and Paths into a Java > program as native Java objects. Note that the > binary form of Paths is more than a simple array. > > I know how to do this in C, but getting the object > definition and reading the object into Java are > not in my scope. > > Right now, the only thing I can thing of is to > write a java export routine for the objects and > figure out how to make JDBC push it along. I am > getting conflicting info about whether java can > read byte wads into object--I think it needs > to extract the pieces and assign the attributes > individually. But I may be talking in circles here. Actually since 6.2 the JDBC driver supports & provides class equivalents of the geometric types. Check the jdbc source for org.postgresql.geometric.* You use the getObject()/setObject() methods to use them. Peter > > Examples, help and advice are very welcome. > > Thanks for your help, > > elein > > --- > Elein Mustain > NextBus Information Services, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (510)420-3120 > -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] jdbc, use of nested ResultSet loops.(longish, interesting I hope)
Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> A few days ago I posted a query regarding a problem I had with errors I
> was
> incurring doing some nested queries with the jdbc driver. (having
> recently
> done a re-install my email history is in limbo for the moment)
>
> Found some of my problems were in messy ugly code, fixed some of the
> problems by creating a new connection for the loop that was throwing
> errors.
>
> Still curious on what would be 'good' style to use.
>
> Curious if anyone knows what can/should work and if this varies with
> jdbc/odbc drivers. I assume the jdbc standards dictate certain behaviour
>
> for jdbc conformance, is there a spec I should be reading? Does the
> conformance of drivers with the spec vary widely from one implementation
> to
> another?? (I'm interested in the differences between the Oracle
> classes12
> and Postgresql-jdbc drivers specifically but general comments sought)
The JDBC Specifications (1.2, 2.0 and soon 3.0 [May I was told yesterday]).
Look on http://java.sun.com
> pseudocode examples
> 1. Non nested loops.
> get connection
> create statement object.
>
> use statement object to create ResultSet object using SQL query.
> scroll thru ResulSet object to retrieve data.
> close ResultSet object.
>
> use statement object to create ResultSet object using SQL query.
> scroll thru ResulSet object to retrieve data.
> close ResultSet object.
>
> repeat as many times as required.
Perfectly fine. Technically you can't have two ResultSet's open from one
Statement, but you may reuse Statement once the ResultSet's been closed. In
fact the specs say that Statement should implicitly close it's open ResultSet
before returning the new one.
> close statement object
> close database connection object.
>
> 2. Nested loops, I use this format when I'm say printing a record of
> information to a table, and need to present a combo box selection (inner
>
> nested loop) that can only be generated once the row data is known
> (outer
> loop).
>
> get connection
> create statement object A.
> create statement object B.
>
> use statement object A to create ResultSet object AA using SQL query.
> scroll thru ResulSet object AA to retrieve data.
>
> use statement object B to create ResultSet object BB using SQL query.
> scroll thru ResulSet object BB to retrieve data.
> close ResultSet object BB.
>
>
> close ResultSet object AA.
>
> close statement object
> close database connection object.
Perfectly fine according to the specs. You can have as many
Statement/PreparedStatement/CallableStatement objects open at any one time.
Some drivers have problems because they don't manage the network protocol
correctly and get in a mess. Not sure about Oracle (I use 8i) but PostgreSQL
works fine here (see the Thread Safety tests in the source).
>
> I found (by trial and error, and a little commonsense)
> - nested Resultsets do not seem to be the way to go. (couldn't get this
> style to work with Oracle classes12 jdbc driver)
Hmmm, what version are you using of oracle's classes? I think this is one point
we beat them then ;-)
> - Using multiple statements off the one database connection seems to
> work OK.
>
> Other 'thing' I picked up was that Prepared Statements are supposed to
> be
> much faster (by 20-40%) according to the sun jdbc API reference book.
Yes, except we currently implement them in the driver. When the backend handles
prepared statements, the performance boost will suddenly appear. The boost is
where the Query Planner precompiles the query once, then the plan is executed
for each update. Currently the plan is compiled for each call.
>
> Comments anyone??
>
> brief code example below.
>
>
> (this code compiled and ran OK, you may need to change to suit your
> postgres datafile name.)
>
> import java.sql.*;
> import java.util.*;
> import java.io.*;
> import java.lang.*;
> import javax.servlet.*;
> import javax.servlet.http.*;
> /*
> Adds forecast to nominated project.
> */
> public class simpleExample extends HttpServlet {
Ooo Servlets, started playing with them yesterday ;-)
[snip]
Peter
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Re: [JDBC] [GENERAL] JDBC: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 256
Quoting Mirko Zeibig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Redirecting to the jdbc only list as that's where all jdbc emails should now go. > Hello, > my system: > RedHat 7.0 > postgresql 7.1 (CVS) > IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-1.1 > > After having set JAVA_HOME "ant" is working like a charm, now it will > build > postgresql.jar and postgresql-example.jar. I noticed however that there > is a > difference between the ant and the make built: whereas with ant the jar > has > about 83kB, with "make jdbc2" it is about 180kB make had the -0 flag while ant doesn't so the 83k one is compressed. Needs checking, but in the early days, .jar files could not be compressed. If jdk1.2 and later are ok, this is a bonus. But I wonder how browsers and jdk1.1.x handle them. [snip] > this exception: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 256 > at java.lang.Throwable.(Throwable.java:84) > at java.lang.Exception.(Exception.java:35) > at java.sql.SQLException.(SQLException.java:100) > at > org.postgresql.util.PSQLException.(PSQLException.java:42) > at org.postgresql.Driver.connect(Driver.java:127) > at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:523) > at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:183) > at example.psql.(psql.java:31) > at example.psql.main(psql.java:207) Thanks. There is a bug recently introduced in Driver & PSQLException. I added the fuller stack trace this morning to try to find it. This will prove useful. Peter -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] Connection pooling
Quoting Guillaume Lémery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > my database has to handle quickly several number of queries per second > from numerous clients. > Because of the waste of time for connection/disconnection, Im' looking > for a connection pooling tool. > > Where can I find a such tool or can somebody send me one ? What interface are you using? JDBC/ODBC/LibPQ? Peter > > Many thanks in advance, > > Guillaume. > > -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] Why does the JDBC driver not support prepareCall?
Quoting "Brett W. McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, mg wrote: > > > I have troubles with jsp-based websites that have been generated by > > Macromedia DreamWeaver UltraDev 1.0. My analysis revealed that the > > problem lies in the JDBC driver not supporting prepareCall > (prepareCall > > throws the PSQLException "postgresql.con.call" instead). > > Is there any workaround or intermediate solution? Is there anybody > > working to fill this gap, and when can a solution be expected? Is > there > > anybody working on this subject? > > prepareCall is reportedly going to be implemented in 7.1. It depends on how I get on this weekend (although at the rate I've been catching up over the last few days, its pretty good so far). It's mainly a hardware issue for me at the moment... Peter -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] Unanswered questions about Postgre
Quoting Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The JDBC support for over-the-wire access to large objects used to > have some bugs, but AFAIK those are cleaned up in current sources > (right Peter?) Yes except for DatabaseMetaData.getTables() but thats not directly to do with large objects. As long as things settle down here by Saturday, I'll be sorting out what's outstanding... Peter -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
Re: [GENERAL] Large files on linux
Quoting Fernan Aguero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear all: > > I am having trouble with large files on a Linux box (RH 6.2). I know > there > is a limit of 2 GB on the file size, but do not know if this is kernel > related, filesystem related or both. IIRC Partly Kernel, Partly FileSystem. For large tables we split the tables at the 1Gb point. The Storage Manager then deals with which file it needs to open when it knows that the file position is beyond any one 1Gb point. NB: The source was doing this at the 2Gb point but (6.3.x or 6.4.x I think) I did some tests for another project and found that Linux didn't like files exactly 2Gb in size. After discussion here, 1Gb was chosen as a nice round figure. -- Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] PostgreSQL JDBC Driver: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres/ RetepPDF PDF library for Java: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf/
[GENERAL] Re: PostgreSQL Install
I'm forwarding this to the general list, as I haven't used an hp-unix box before. Peter On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, GTI wrote: > Hi > I am about to install a PostgreSQL version (6.4.2) on a hp-unix machine. > My GNU C++ compiler is version 2.8.1, and has been tested so that I know it works. > Prior to installation, I must configure the source of PostgreSQL using ./configure >[options], > but upon configuration I get the following error message as > >CC compiler cannot create executables. > > Do you know what the problem might be and how to solve it? Do you know anyone who > can help me to solve this problem ? > > I appreciate your help. > Sincerely > George Titan > -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
Re: [GENERAL] Tree structure
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
> I can't figure this one out. I need a tree structure like this
>
> Number Pointer
> 10
> 21
> 31
> 42
> 50
> 61
> 75
>
> This should somehow show up like this
> Number
> 1
> 2
> 4
> 3
> 6
> 5
> 7
>
> The whole excercise is because I'd like to show a tree structure:
>
> 1
> - 2
> - - 4
> - 3
> - 6
> 5
> - 7
>
> Is this possible with PostgreSQL?
This does the trick:
select textcat(text_substr('- '::text,10-pointer,pointer+1),int4_text(num)) as
ptr from a order by num;
It produces the output:
test=> select textcat(text_substr('- '::text,10-pointer,pointer+1),
int4_text(num)) as ptr from a order by num;
ptr
---
1
- 2
- 3
-- 4
5
- 6
- 7
(7 rows)
Turning off headings and alignment:
test=> \a
turned off field alignment
test=> \t
turned off output headings and row count
test=> select textcat(text_substr('----- '::text,10-pointer,pointer+1),
int4_text(num)) as ptr from a order by num;
1
- 2
- 3
-- 4
5
- 6
- 7
Peter
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Re: [GENERAL] GIS/GPS Experiences with pgsql?
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Peter T Mount wrote: > > [snip] > > If the TIGER/Line data is raster, and each feature (polygon, line, > > circle, etc) doesn't exceed the block size, then postgresql should be able > > to handle it. > [snip] > > Vector not raster. Right? Yes, the Tiger data is vector. Peter -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
Re: [GENERAL] GIS/GPS Experiences with pgsql?
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Bryan Mattern wrote: > I'm working on a personal project to develop some sort of GPS software > for Linux. I was talking with a friend the other day and he let me > borrow a "TIGER/Line CD" (!1990!) from the US Bureau of the Census. I > know the data is old, but I just wanted to test it with PostgreSQL. I > don't know all that much about GIS maps, there might be a better source > I don't know about, but the data seems pretty easy to rip apart and > pitch into PostgreSQL. > > Has anyone done anything like this? If so, is there any info on the > web? I checked the old mailing list archives, but they were not much > help. > > I'm using perl to get lat./long./velocity from a GPS sensor and would > like to extract data from PostgreSQL to draw/label the maps. > > Any ideas or help would be great. Hmmm, I'm not sure how the TIGER/Line CD will import, as I don't know the format, but you'll want to look at the geometric types that PostgreSQL supports. Infact, it was both GIS and Astronomy that made me implement their support in the JDBC driver in the first place :-) If the TIGER/Line data is raster, and each feature (polygon, line, circle, etc) doesn't exceed the block size, then postgresql should be able to handle it. I have in the works some Java code to draw the geometric types, and some GPS code as well, but it's mainly aimed at the Astronomical rather than GIS use. Peter -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
[GENERAL] Re: [INTERFACES] Re: connecting: unix socket? Yes. TCPIP port? No.-i? Yes.
On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Bob VonMoss wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > > Bob VonMoss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [ can connect via unix socket, but not via TCP ] > > > > > The administrator says this is how postmaster is invoked: > > > /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -S -i -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -p 5432 > > > > OK, that eliminates the "forgot -i" gotcha. > > > > James Thompson is almost certainly right that the problem is that > > Postgres' pg_hba.conf file is not set up to allow connections from > > whichever IP address you are connecting from. > > > > We heard about a similar problem recently which turned out to be > > due to use of "virtual server" IP addresses. > > The pgsql administrator put a line in pg_hba.conf that looks like this, > where my_db is substituted for my database name: > > host my_db 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 ident sameuser > > I'm still getting the same 'User authentication failed' messages. Same thing > from JDBC. Do I need access to the 'template1' table also? no. Is the machine you are running the java app or psql on running ident? > Here's a transcript of a session from the command -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
Re: [GENERAL] Callable Statement in JDBC
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Sze Yuen Wong wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using Postgre in my Java program. > The Java bean (JCDatasource from KL group) > require callable statement when saving to > the DB. But Postgre report Callable statement > is not supported. > Anybody knows if 6.4 support callable statement? Nope. CallableStatement is still unsupported, mainly because I haven't been able to figure out how CallableStatement works. -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
Re: [GENERAL] Backup of large object
On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, darold wrote: > Hi, > > Thank for all answer of my question about null string. I have posted > a message concerning backup of large object such image but I have > lost my mail box so I don't know if there was some reply. > > So my question was : > > Is there any way to make back up to large object ? For saving all my > database > I use "pg_dump -D -f mysavefile.sql mydatabase". So I have read the man > page > of pg_dump and it says that there's no way to make a backup for large > object > with it. > > Should I have to develop a script for that or is there a simply way ? > I use postgres 6.3.2 I think that backing up a large object has to be application specific, because if you have to restore an object, you cannot guarantee that an object will get the same OID. The easiest way (which I have done before) is write a script for each database that first runs pg_dump, then saves each large object in the database, with it's oid. There is then a restore script that re-loads the database, then inserts the large objects. Once done, it then traverses the tables that refer to them, replacing the old oid with the newly created one. My backup and restore scripts call some Java code to handle the large objects, as it's easy to save each large object directly into a compressed Zip file, with it's OID as the filename. -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgres Java PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL and WWW
On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Dmitry Iv Popov wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> great thanks to Oleg Broytmann for his useful advice, I've
> understood the proper fromat for input data at last and the
> problem with copying DB from file was successfully solved.
>
> Well, I hope you will not be angry with me for one more
> (and I want belive the last) lame question: how do I make my
> DB accessible from the Web (via JDBC)? With what parameters
> should I call 'Class.forName()' and
> 'DriverManager.getConnection()' in case of PostgreSQL?
Connection con =
DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:postgresql:rscexamdb","username","password");
> I must notice that I'm going to write a servlet, but not an
> applet.
It works best with servlet's and applications, but (personally) it's not
that good for applets.
For applets, it would be better to have your own protocol to a servlet,
then jdbc to the database.
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[GENERAL] Re: [INTERFACES] pb compiling JDBC interface
On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Cyril Ferrand wrote: > Thanks for your answer but I find the Pb it was a bad version of JDK (1.0.2) > now I have installed the 1.1.3 and there is no error. Ah yes, JDBC was quite different for 1.0.2... > But now I have a pb with exeample, because I don't understand what to to put > as user and passwd ... Postgresql manages it's own users and passwords (it doesn't use any unix accounts apart from the DBA [usually 'postgres']). The CREATE USER, ALTER USER and DROP USER sql statements do this. In JDBC, you need to supply the user & password that postgres understands. > -- > * > * Cyril Ferrand : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* > *http://www.mygale.org/05/ironmask * > ********* > -- Peter T Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk Someday I may rebuild this signature completely ;-) Work Homepage: http://www.maidstone.gov.uk Work EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
