Re: Sonoran Penguin
Am 05. Aug, 2009 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so: I also suggested this to Hans 19 months ago when he first published it on the list. I am not on the web team. The new server is patched 8.04 with Drupal 6 (but it's not in place) - It doesn't migrate the content. None really planning for it that I know unless Deru or someone in Hans "inner circle". There is no inner circle. Please stop saying there is. You make the security meetings happen ( with the help of a few people ). I have thanked you for that many times. Other people seem to appreciate it as well since they show up and learn :). The Installfests happen because Alex wanted them to happen and because others have been helping keep it going. The devel meetings happen at this point because Ed and others stepped up to keep them going. If the PLUG community is opposed there might be issues, but otherwise it's a matter of someone putting in the effort. The only thing being chairman gives me is it eases working with other organizations. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are # better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use # of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
> > Back away from the keyboard. > if i do that i wont get anything done --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Sonoran Penguin
Well it's not too eye catchy right now, it's pretty much the plain one I think with the log changed, so unless you came up with something horrible, everyone already likes the sonorant penguin. > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On > Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:00 PM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin > > no way I would even bother without having my terms agreed to > by a party who is in the position to do so. Its not asking a > lot, its basically a safeguard against my time being utterly > wasted. I've worked enough with these free-for-all > technology groups to know what to expect of human nature. -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: > > Now I think you're procrastinating :-) > > > > First you said you would do it, and let everyone decide if we liked > > it. Now you don't want to. > > > > For all we know you might come up with a horrible design. > > > > You're going to have to show us what you got, before we say > it should > > be the new theme. > > > > Time to put up or :-) > > > > And if it isn't obvious, this is in FUN !!! > > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On > Behalf Of > >> Joshua Zeidner > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:22 PM > >> To: Main PLUG discussion list > >> Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin > >> > >> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. > >> Think about it... why would I do it? I dont have any > guarantee it 1) > >> will be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like > >> garbage, > >> 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational > purposes. .. > >> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if > >> management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away > >> people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). > >> > >> non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got > an issue on > >> your hands. > >> > >> -jmz > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P > >> Herrold wrote: > >> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> > > >> >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > >> >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' > >> and what is > >> >> a total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the > >> talents that > >> >> we currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games > >> >> pretending no one is running the show. > >> > > >> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone > >> pays, or calls > >> > a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone has > >> root on that > >> > box. Find those answers, and you have the throat to choke. > >> > > >> > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and > >> > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is > FOSS after > >> > all. > >> > > >> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; > >> running it for > >> > years and years is even harder > >> > > >> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll > >> provide access > >> > to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on a > >> box that has > >> > in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro Detroit LUG, the > >> Tampa LUG, > >> > a couple of defunct LUGs, and the Central OH LUG > >> (currently). Others > >> > as well, but I fergit. > >> > > >> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. > >> > > >> > -- Russ herrold > >> > --- > >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
no way I would even bother without having my terms agreed to by a party who is in the position to do so. Its not asking a lot, its basically a safeguard against my time being utterly wasted. I've worked enough with these free-for-all technology groups to know what to expect of human nature. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: > Now I think you're procrastinating :-) > > First you said you would do it, and let everyone decide if we liked it. Now > you don't want to. > > For all we know you might come up with a horrible design. > > You're going to have to show us what you got, before we say it should be the > new theme. > > Time to put up or :-) > > And if it isn't obvious, this is in FUN !!! > > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:22 PM >> To: Main PLUG discussion list >> Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin >> >> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. >> Think about it... why would I do it? I dont have any >> guarantee it 1) will be used, 2) be put in a context that >> doesnt make it look like garbage, >> 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. >> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people >> if management is introduced. conversely, youre going to >> scare away people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). >> >> non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an >> issue on your hands. >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P >> Herrold wrote: >> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> > >> >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear >> >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' >> and what is >> >> a total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the >> talents that >> >> we currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games >> >> pretending no one is running the show. >> > >> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone >> pays, or calls >> > a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone has >> root on that >> > box. Find those answers, and you have the throat to choke. >> > >> > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and >> > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS after >> > all. >> > >> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; >> running it for >> > years and years is even harder >> > >> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll >> provide access >> > to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on a >> box that has >> > in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro Detroit LUG, the >> Tampa LUG, >> > a couple of defunct LUGs, and the Central OH LUG >> (currently). Others >> > as well, but I fergit. >> > >> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. >> > >> > -- Russ herrold >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Sonoran Penguin
Now I think you're procrastinating :-) First you said you would do it, and let everyone decide if we liked it. Now you don't want to. For all we know you might come up with a horrible design. You're going to have to show us what you got, before we say it should be the new theme. Time to put up or :-) And if it isn't obvious, this is in FUN !!! > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On > Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:22 PM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin > > well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. > Think about it... why would I do it? I dont have any > guarantee it 1) will be used, 2) be put in a context that > doesnt make it look like garbage, > 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. > Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people > if management is introduced. conversely, youre going to > scare away people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). > > non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an > issue on your hands. > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P > Herrold wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' > and what is > >> a total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the > talents that > >> we currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games > >> pretending no one is running the show. > > > > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone > pays, or calls > > a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone has > root on that > > box. Find those answers, and you have the throat to choke. > > > > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and > > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS after > > all. > > > > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; > running it for > > years and years is even harder > > > > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll > provide access > > to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on a > box that has > > in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro Detroit LUG, the > Tampa LUG, > > a couple of defunct LUGs, and the Central OH LUG > (currently). Others > > as well, but I fergit. > > > > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. > > > > -- Russ herrold > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Sonoran Penguin
Maybe you should say something political on their mail list :-) It might start things up. Just kidding, Nobody move, do not turn this joke into a another runaway thread. Back away from the keyboard. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:36 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Committee? > > No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. > > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The >> whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on >> the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution >> link in the footer of every page. >> >> perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the >> site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to >> ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via >> search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom >> you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is >> that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: >>> im game for it... >>> >>> and honestly im curious about the process >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>>> If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for >>>> the PLUG site using this concept. >>>> >>>> -jmz >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it >>>>>> I need to fire my PR manager. >>>>> >>>>> I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and >>>>> low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early >>>>> email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a >>>>> URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to >>>>> indicate its worth. >>>>> >>>>> -- Russ herrold >>>>> --- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > -- > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I agree completely, but it seems every time we have some political discussion on here, PLUGs nervous system grows more extensive... -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of > motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue. Politics > annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not > so much. I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but > I haven't seen much of what I'd call abuse to the point of needing a > true steering committee ala moderation and/or hounding. That's > typically about the time I lose interest. > > What I have seen for the most part is (what I'd consider) vibrant > participation in mostly relevant discussions, without moderation or > attitude attitude that normally develops on lists like these. I'd say > most or all of us are professional enough to respect that, keep egos in > check, and that's largely what got me watching and participating in > discussion in the first place. Its refreshing there isn't constant > quoting of rules, moderation, or in general preaching. > > I don't do forums for various reasons, and to me this feels like the > last bastion of the "old world" that still works to maintain my > interest, and works mostly well. Thus far, I wouldn't say I'd recommend > changing anything, but I'm fairly simple to please. > > -mb > > > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:21 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think >> about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will >> be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage, >> 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. >> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if >> management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away >> people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). >> >> non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your >> hands. >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold wrote: >> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> > >> >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear >> >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a >> >> total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we >> >> currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending >> >> no one is running the show. >> > >> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays, >> > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone >> > has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the >> > throat to choke. >> > >> > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and >> > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS >> > after all. >> > >> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; >> > running it for years and years is even harder >> > >> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide >> > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on >> > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro >> > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the >> > Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit. >> > >> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. >> > >> > -- Russ herrold >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue. Politics annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not so much. I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but I haven't seen much of what I'd call abuse to the point of needing a true steering committee ala moderation and/or hounding. That's typically about the time I lose interest. What I have seen for the most part is (what I'd consider) vibrant participation in mostly relevant discussions, without moderation or attitude attitude that normally develops on lists like these. I'd say most or all of us are professional enough to respect that, keep egos in check, and that's largely what got me watching and participating in discussion in the first place. Its refreshing there isn't constant quoting of rules, moderation, or in general preaching. I don't do forums for various reasons, and to me this feels like the last bastion of the "old world" that still works to maintain my interest, and works mostly well. Thus far, I wouldn't say I'd recommend changing anything, but I'm fairly simple to please. -mb On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:21 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think > about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will > be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage, > 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. > Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if > management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away > people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). > > non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your > hands. > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a > >> total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we > >> currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending > >> no one is running the show. > > > > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays, > > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone > > has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the > > throat to choke. > > > > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and > > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS > > after all. > > > > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; > > running it for years and years is even harder > > > > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide > > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on > > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro > > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the > > Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit. > > > > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. > > > > -- Russ herrold > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage, 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your hands. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a >> total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we >> currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending >> no one is running the show. > > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays, > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone > has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the > throat to choke. > > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS > after all. > > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; > running it for years and years is even harder > > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the > Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit. > > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. > > -- Russ herrold > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a > total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we > currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending > no one is running the show. Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays, or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the throat to choke. Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS after all. No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; running it for years and years is even harder Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit. But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> Committee? >> >> No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. ignoring the top posting's misposition [ ;) ], that is because one cannot improve on perfection? -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Yes, that's true with PLUG. Hans does a great deal, but needs non-profit status, regular people to just do things like update the website, order tee shirts and sell them (we all want tees) and run contests (shirt design) and do promotion (although a plugin for Drupal exists that allows for promotion to other sister lists at the touch of a button). There is no treasury - so we are limited in that. And anything that smears that line between private (domain names - website promotion for the PLUG, etc) turns people off in a big way. Altruism only only goes so far - an efficient non-profit runs as such. But other groups with all that in place still are mired in argument, gossip, petty backbiting (competition [even when we all have excellent skills) can be devasting to a group]) lack of volunteers and politics, so we are doing fairly well. On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a > total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we > currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending > no one is running the show. Every time I ask anything of substance, I > am referred to the 'steering committee'. Then Lisa claims there is no > committee when it is explicitly referred to. No one ever states who > is on the steering committee, expect for at least a few references > that it includes Hans. We do however have loads of complaints about > how crappy this list is getting and how great it was back in some > mythical past when everyone politely answered everyone else's > technical questions expeditiously and never strayed into outer > territories of political blasphemy. > > Its kind of funny and kind of tiring. > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM, mike havens wrote: >> I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for >> announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG. >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner >> wrote: >>> >>> Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( >>> >>> -jmz >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold >>> wrote: >>> > Committee? >>> > >>> > No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. >>> > >>> > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> >> Howdy, >>> >> >>> >> ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The >>> >> whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs >>> >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast >>> >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on >>> >> the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the >>> >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution >>> >> link in the footer of every page. >>> >> >>> >> perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the >>> >> site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to >>> >> ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far >>> >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via >>> >> search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom >>> >> you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is >>> >> that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web >>> >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. >>> >> >>> >> -jmz >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: >>> >>> im game for it... >>> >>> >>> >>> and honestly im curious about the process >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner >>> >>> wrote: >>> If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for >>> the PLUG site using this concept. >>> >>> -jmz >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold >>> wrote: >>> > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> > >>> >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted >>> >> it >>> >> I need to fire my PR manager. >>> > >>> > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and >>> > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early >>> > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a >>> > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to >>> > indicate its worth. >>> > >>> > -- Russ herrold >>> > --- >>> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> > >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/m
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending no one is running the show. Every time I ask anything of substance, I am referred to the 'steering committee'. Then Lisa claims there is no committee when it is explicitly referred to. No one ever states who is on the steering committee, expect for at least a few references that it includes Hans. We do however have loads of complaints about how crappy this list is getting and how great it was back in some mythical past when everyone politely answered everyone else's technical questions expeditiously and never strayed into outer territories of political blasphemy. Its kind of funny and kind of tiring. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM, mike havens wrote: > I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for > announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG. > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold >> wrote: >> > Committee? >> > >> > No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. >> > >> > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> Howdy, >> >> >> >> ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The >> >> whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs >> >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast >> >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on >> >> the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the >> >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution >> >> link in the footer of every page. >> >> >> >> perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the >> >> site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to >> >> ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far >> >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via >> >> search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom >> >> you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is >> >> that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web >> >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. >> >> >> >> -jmz >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> im game for it... >> >>> >> >>> and honestly im curious about the process >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner >> >>> wrote: >> If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for >> the PLUG site using this concept. >> >> -jmz >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> > >> >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted >> >> it >> >> I need to fire my PR manager. >> > >> > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and >> > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early >> > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a >> > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to >> > indicate its worth. >> > >> > -- Russ herrold >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> >>> >> >>> Stephen >> >>> --- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> >> >> --- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html >> > (623)239-3392 >> > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list -
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold > wrote: > > Committee? > > > > No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. > > > > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The > >> whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs > >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast > >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on > >> the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the > >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution > >> link in the footer of every page. > >> > >> perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the > >> site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to > >> ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far > >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via > >> search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom > >> you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is > >> that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web > >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. > >> > >> -jmz > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: > >>> im game for it... > >>> > >>> and honestly im curious about the process > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner > wrote: > If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for > the PLUG site using this concept. > > -jmz > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold > wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it > >> I need to fire my PR manager. > > > > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and > > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early > > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a > > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to > > indicate its worth. > > > > -- Russ herrold > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > >>> > >>> Stephen > >>> --- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >> --- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > > > -- > > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html > > (623)239-3392 > > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Committee? > > No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. > > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The >> whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on >> the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution >> link in the footer of every page. >> >> perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the >> site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to >> ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via >> search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom >> you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is >> that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: >>> im game for it... >>> >>> and honestly im curious about the process >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for the PLUG site using this concept. -jmz On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it >> I need to fire my PR manager. > > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to > indicate its worth. > > -- Russ herrold > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > -- > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Committee? No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Howdy, > > ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The > whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs > and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast > ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on > the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the > template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution > link in the footer of every page. > > perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the > site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to > ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far > easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via > search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom > you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is > that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web > allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: >> im game for it... >> >> and honestly im curious about the process >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for >>> the PLUG site using this concept. >>> >>> -jmz >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it > I need to fire my PR manager. I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to indicate its worth. -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Howdy, ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on the concept Lisa posted. PLUG committee must agree to use the template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution link in the footer of every page. perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the site. I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to ameliorate all these listserv problems. In this scenario it is far easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via search engine. Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom you are not interested in reading ,etc. The problem Hans raised is that a lot of users only want to use email. Also putting it on web allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen wrote: > im game for it... > > and honestly im curious about the process > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for >> the PLUG site using this concept. >> >> -jmz >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: >>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it I need to fire my PR manager. >>> >>> I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and >>> low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early >>> email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a >>> URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to >>> indicate its worth. >>> >>> -- Russ herrold >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
im game for it... and honestly im curious about the process On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for > the PLUG site using this concept. > > -jmz > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >>> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it >>> I need to fire my PR manager. >> >> I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and >> low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early >> email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a >> URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to >> indicate its worth. >> >> -- Russ herrold >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
its because she has been posting all the goofy but entertainaing motivationals/demotivationals regarding linux and other geek things... and kittens... On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it > I need to fire my PR manager. > > come to think of it, it does look better when Lisa posted it. :) > > -jmz > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> I can't remember who made it! I think it was one of younger guys! >> >> I don't have all that email thread from 2 years ago! >> >> On 8/3/09, Dazed_75 wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold >>> wrote: >>> Just like it says! -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com >>> >>> I love it as well. The silhouette effect is so different from the usual >>> penguin stuff that it really stands out. >>> >>> Lisa, if you made this, I wonder if you tried making the penguin more in the >>> foreground with something so he could be a bit bigger in the picture >>> compared to the saguaro without it just looking like an abnormally large >>> penguin? >>> >>> -- >>> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry >>> >>> The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, >>> that I wish it always to be kept alive. >>> - Thomas Jefferson >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html >> (623)239-3392 >> (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I also suggested this to Hans 19 months ago when he first published it on the list. I suggested it twice more, but never got a response. I built a new server to update our Debian and Drupal, but it didn't go anywhere, we are all really busy with other things. The theme can be easily changed and I have access to do so. I agree this is a great idea! The drupal version is updated 4.7 I believe --> 5. The new server is patched 8.04 with Drupal 6 (but it's not in place) - None really planning for it that I know unless Deru or someone in Hans "inner circle". I could do it (have thousands of server build migration/upgrade history) but already heavily involved in Linux Security Teams (and feeding myself [like everyone in this harsh economy]). On 8/5/09, Alan Dayley wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> Joshua has a new PLUG image everyone loves. >> >> He is offering to write a Drupal template for PLUG. > > My response is: Go, Joshua, go! > > Alan > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Joshua has a new PLUG image everyone loves. > > He is offering to write a Drupal template for PLUG. My response is: Go, Joshua, go! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: Sonoran Penguin
Joshua has a new PLUG image everyone loves. He is offering to write a Drupal template for PLUG. -- Forwarded message -- From: Joshua Zeidner Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin To: Main PLUG discussion list If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for the PLUG site using this concept. -jmz On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it >> I need to fire my PR manager. > > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to > indicate its worth. > > -- Russ herrold > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for the PLUG site using this concept. -jmz On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it >> I need to fire my PR manager. > > I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and > low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early > email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a > URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to > indicate its worth. > > -- Russ herrold > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it > I need to fire my PR manager. I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and low, and tossing read pieces out. If it was in an early email, I missed it. I cannot say that I saw repetition of a URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to indicate its worth. -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I made it with GIMP. How come no one liked it when I posted it I need to fire my PR manager. come to think of it, it does look better when Lisa posted it. :) -jmz On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > I can't remember who made it! I think it was one of younger guys! > > I don't have all that email thread from 2 years ago! > > On 8/3/09, Dazed_75 wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold >> wrote: >> >>> Just like it says! >>> >>> -- >>> >>> (623)239-3392 >>> (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com >>> >> >> I love it as well. The silhouette effect is so different from the usual >> penguin stuff that it really stands out. >> >> Lisa, if you made this, I wonder if you tried making the penguin more in the >> foreground with something so he could be a bit bigger in the picture >> compared to the saguaro without it just looking like an abnormally large >> penguin? >> >> -- >> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry >> >> The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, >> that I wish it always to be kept alive. >> - Thomas Jefferson >> > > > -- > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I can't remember who made it! I think it was one of younger guys! I don't have all that email thread from 2 years ago! On 8/3/09, Dazed_75 wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold > wrote: > >> Just like it says! >> >> -- >> >> (623)239-3392 >> (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com >> > > I love it as well. The silhouette effect is so different from the usual > penguin stuff that it really stands out. > > Lisa, if you made this, I wonder if you tried making the penguin more in the > foreground with something so he could be a bit bigger in the picture > compared to the saguaro without it just looking like an abnormally large > penguin? > > -- > Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry > > The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, > that I wish it always to be kept alive. > - Thomas Jefferson > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
R Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Lisa Kachold Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:33:55 To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Sonoran Penguin Just like it says! -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
Like the others I also really like this image :-). I dig the sunset, silhouette, and cactus actions. A couple weeks back I saw the "russian Linux" image floating around. I wonder if someone can figure out a way to make Lizard vs Tux mashup :-) http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/00b9a680/7fe6c8ad thanks, C.G. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Just like it says! > > -- > > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Carlos Macedo Gomes http://claimid.com/cmgomes --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
i think its pretty well.. part of me would like to see the penguin staring at the cactus. but in any case a wallpaper sized graphic would be great. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Just like it says! > > -- > > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > I love it as well. The silhouette effect is so different from the usual penguin stuff that it really stands out. Lisa, if you made this, I wonder if you tried making the penguin more in the foreground with something so he could be a bit bigger in the picture compared to the saguaro without it just looking like an abnormally large penguin? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
That picture rocks, and now the 16:9 question? Does it come as a desktop wallpaper option? :-) Thanks, Brian On Aug 2, 2009 11:58 PM, "Lisa Kachold" wrote: Just like it says! -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Sonoran Penguin
I Love it! Lisa Kachold wrote: Just like it says! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
