[aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
Dear all, As you probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running outside. This is probably one of the interesting discussion tracks, http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/ At a personal level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion topics and trends, I feel that this agreement http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988 http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release combined with the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting importantly in the future of our projects and/or initiatives. Is there any point of view on this topic? Best regards, -Jesus- ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
Hi Francesco, > I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They > rethought their licensing policy ... The press release came shortly after the official answer from Oracle to Google. and the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one).The barrier for Google IT outsourcing offer for non-SMEs is not technical. Obviously an OpenJDK+Eclipse(and something in Apache) position is under a much better control than the Apache+Eclipse one. …and Oracle does not seem to have any problem for assuming the “bad boy” role; They already launched a pay version of the JVM, the patent threat is in the air and the GPL license has relevant business implications that reduce the acceptance by the industry. > and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-( > Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our projects/initiatives, I feel that the embedded systems are more in the terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are needed to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not much difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in the physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations among entities to reach conclusions). This movement has many implications when we are entering in the petabytes era ...and Java dynamic modularity issues (linked to OSGi) are being discussed for Java 8. > By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the > results of the vote. > In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR. I agree,..but I also feel that many (probably out of the JCP EC) will realise that this is not a JSR discussion. Best regards, -Jesus- promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió el 21/11/2010 19:17:10: > > Francesco Furfari > Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org > 21/11/2010 19:18 > > Para: > > "promoters@aaloa.org" > > cc: > > Asunto: > > Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions > > Jesus, > > in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right, and the > behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process. > If you see the old voting on Java 6, many partners like IBM, RedHat > and Intel agreed on the position of ASF. > > But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and > then Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the > big players, I could interpret the events as Oracle was afraid of > the parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was > used mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so > this could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on > the java specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive. However the > point is that the same problems of Harmony there will be with the > OpenJDK project, that is GPL based. What does Oracle think to do > with OpenJDK? if they provide a TCK license without the restriction > imposed to ASF for the embedded system, then it is clear that it is > a war against ASF or their license model. > > I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They > rethought their licensing policy ... > > In the justification of the Eclipse vote they said: "If Java does > not start to progress as a platform, it will die." > I fear that if they slow down the spread of Java on embedded > systems, then Android or even other languages will prevail. > and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-( > > By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the > results of the vote. > In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR. > > Francesco > > Il 20/11/2010 23.57, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto: > > Dear all, > > As you probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running > outside. This is probably one of the interesting discussion tracks, > > > http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/ > > > At a personal level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion > topics and trends, I feel that this agreement > > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988 > > > http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release > > > combined with the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting > importantly in the future of our projects and/or initiatives. > > > Is there any point of view on this topic? > > Best regards, > > -Jesus- > > ___ > Promoters mailing listpromot...@aaloa.orghttp://aaloa.org/mailman/ > listinfo/promoters > > ___ > Promoters mailing list > Promoters@aaloa.org > http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
Hi Francesco, > can you send me some pointer on that. http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1473133 This is very much focussed on Google and Microsoft but it provides a good input (allowing comparing offers through the links) of where is the game for enterprise infrastructure providers. > Do you think that cloud computing > solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible > everywhere, will be the prominent aspect ? This it is not a recent post, but it is a good summary of the megatrends. Google and open source are not orthogonal. Android is just a demonstration of their excellent understanding of the playground (recent Oracle-IBM movements are a reaction - and the key reason for the acquisition of Sun- , against the trends, trying to get the control of the situation for the Enterprise market). http://blogs.zoho.com/general/ibm-microsoft-google-eras-of-computing ….I also recommend testing the Zoho outsourcing offer (probably the best Google competitor in some areas) > In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because > they are centered on the user, they are the probes that help people to > inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence > embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access. > is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the > AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-) Well, two roman emperors came from here and you can find the roads under the highways ;-) In a networked environment the services must be centred in the user, not the devices/gadgets. You can reach the user for the same service (with the device constraints) through different devices But, probably, the most important aspect for breaking barriers is the “pay as you go” business model that comes with the clouds (allowing testing for free). Due to the Cloud scalability properties the additional cost per user is very low (if you make some numbers, calculating the CPU used by your computer, you will realise that a virtual PC can be provided in your TV for free) In the medium/long-term the service may pay for the traffic and the devices (…currently the communication service is frequently paying the device –i.e. mobile phone-). …Apple seems announcing a virtual operator ;-) …looking at the future. http://techresearch.intel.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?Id=1 - Jesús- promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió el 23/11/2010 21:03:59: > > Francesco Furfari > Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org > 23/11/2010 21:05 > > Para: > > "promoters@aaloa.org" > > cc: > > Asunto: > > Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions > > Dear Jesus, > I realised only now the Oracle lawsuit against Google, it was in August > during my vacation :-) > > the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office > > SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one) > can you send me some pointer on that. > >> and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-( > >> > > Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our > > projects/initiatives, I feel that the embedded systems are more in the > > terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are needed > > to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not much > > difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in the > > physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations among > > entities to reach conclusions). > Well I was referring to the central role of the devices more than the > technological aspect. > Maybe I didn't understand your answer. Do you think that cloud computing > solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible > everywhere, will be the prominent aspect ? I'm not sure about this. > Years ago people talked about the radio programs killed by the TV. I > think cloud computing will be only another way to interact with the > digital world, but not the only one or the prominent way (I hope). > Personally I'm more interested to exploit the locality principle of > people traversing different smart spaces and discovering in each of them > local services (Location Based Services) ... it should scale better ... > In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because > they are centered on the user, they are the probes that help people to > inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence > embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access > is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the > AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-) > Francesco > > Il 22/11/2010 14.09, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto: > > Hi Francesco, > > > >> I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They > >> rethought their licensing policy ... > > The press release came shortly after the official answer from Oracle to > > Google. and the Outs
Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
Hi Francesco, I feel that this is also relevant in our interesting discussion; The Whitehouse Office of Management and Budget has announced Cloud Computing as the default approach to IT for US government agencies.They expect to reduce 2000+ data center infrastructure by the 40% improving security, performance and fast deployment of new applications. Best regards, -Jesús- jesus.bermejo Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org 24/11/2010 10:39 |---> |Para: | |---> >---| | | |"promoters@aaloa.org" | >---| |---> |cc:| |---> >---| | | >---| |---> |Asunto:| | | |---> >---| |Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions | >---| Hi Francesco, > can you send me some pointer on that. http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1473133 This is very much focussed on Google and Microsoft but it provides a good input (allowing comparing offers through the links) of where is the game for enterprise infrastructure providers. > Do you think that cloud computing > solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible > everywhere, will be the prominent aspect ? This it is not a recent post, but it is a good summary of the megatrends. Google and open source are not orthogonal. Android is just a demonstration of their excellent understanding of the playground (recent Oracle-IBM movements are a reaction - and the key reason for the acquisition of Sun- , against the trends, trying to get the control of the situation for the Enterprise market). http://blogs.zoho.com/general/ibm-microsoft-google-eras-of-computing ….I also recommend testing the Zoho outsourcing offer (probably the best Google competitor in some areas) > In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because > they are centered on the user, they are the probes that help people to > inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence > embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access. > is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the > AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-) Well, two roman emperors came from here and you can find the roads under the highways ;-) In a networked environment the services must be centred in the user, not the devices/gadgets. You can reach the user for the same service (with the device constraints) through different devices But, probably, the most important aspect for breaking barriers is the “pay as you go” business model that comes with the clouds (allowing testing for free). Due to the Cloud scalability properties the additional cost per user is very low (if you make some numbers, calculating the CPU used by your computer, you will realise that a virtual PC can be provided in your TV for free) In the medium/long-term the service may pay for the traffic and the devices (…currently the communication service is frequently paying the device –i.e. mobile phone-). …Apple seems announcing a virtual operator ;-) …looking at the future. http://techresearch.intel.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?Id=1 - Jesús- promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió el 23/11/2010 21:03:59: > > Francesco Furfari > Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org > 23/11/2010 21:05 > > Para: > > "promoters@aaloa.org" > > cc: > > Asunto: > > Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions > > Dear Jesus, > I realised only now the Oracle lawsuit against Google, it was in August > during my vacation :-) > > the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office > > SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one) > can you send me some pointer on that. > >> and em
Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI
Dear all,My vote is positive ... however, it is not clear the strategy for the AAL domain being the driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a ZigBee for Health Care profile (which is a very limited area in the scope of this technology). This combined with the current activity in this technology entails a high risk for the survival. Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the (paralell) R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are moving in the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the number of nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some already in operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain. Best regards, -Jesus- -promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: -Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" De: Francesco Furfari Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.orgFecha: 16/12/2010 14:58Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters, I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform. I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate the needed resources for its software development. As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will abstain from voting on this issue. I remember to the promoters that even if they haven't a binding vote, their comments are very welcome. Kind regards, Francesco. (See attached file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf) ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters [anexo "ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf" eliminado por Jesús Bermejo Muñoz/Telvent/Abengoa] ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI
Hi Francesco,I will try to clarify my comment on your answer;>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that >ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, >Wireless HART, or UPnP, DPWS When I mention the risk in the survival of the open source project I am referring to external open source competitors. As you are mentioning, it is not a core/reference technology for AAL applications(note that open source is more competitive than traditional commercial development) >I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.>From the inputs I have so far it seems that this number of nodes is difficult to achieve in real deployments; and this is a R&D issue being tackled in other domains. The example was just to illustrate the type of requirements being addressed for this technology in other domains (to clarify the above). ...and it is not only this, also the current strength of some middleware communities. >The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on ...>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.I fully agree, this scalability is not in the ZigBee part,Best regards,-Jesus--promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: ->Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" >De: Francesco Furfari >Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org>Fecha: 19/12/2010 16:32>Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project>proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI>>>Jesus,>>>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that >ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.>>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, >Wireless HART, or UPnP, DPWS >>With respect to the AALOA mission, this project can be considered one>of the many building blocks that may be integrated in a reference>platform for AAL. >>It is an outcome of the PERSONA project, but it is released without>the "peculiarities" of the PERSONA project, so that it is a generic>solution that can be integrated in the AAL/AmI platform you like.>>>I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.>>The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on ...>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.>>>FrancescoIl 19/12/2010 0.33, >jesus.berm...@telvent.com> >ha scritto: >>Dear all,>>>My vote is positive ...> >however, it is not clear the strategy for the AAL domain being the>driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a ZigBee for Health Care>profile (which is a very limited area in the scope of this>technology). This combined with the current activity in this>technology entails a high risk for the survival. > >>>Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in>device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the>(paralell) R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are>moving in the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the>number of nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some>already in operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain. >> >>>Best regards,> >>>-Jesus->> >>-promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: ->>>Para: >"promoters@aaloa.org"> >>>De: Francesco Furfari >>>Enviado por: >promoters-boun...@aaloa.org>>Fecha: 16/12/2010 14:58>>Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal:>ZigBee 4 OSGI>> >Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,>>>I would like to submit to your attention the attached project>proposal>> >concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.>>> >I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to>allocate>> >the needed resources for its software development.>>> >As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will>> >abstain from voting on this issue.>> >I remember to the promoters that even if they haven't a binding>vote,>> >their comments are very welcome.>>> >Kind regards,>> >Francesco.>>(See attached file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf)>> >___>> >Promoters mailing list>> >Promoters@aaloa.org>> >http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters> >>>[ane
[aaloa promoters] WDYT ? Will OSGi change his po licy? ;-)
Hi Francesco, centainly it is a high risk for OSGi in the dynamic modularity moving to the JVM (where it should be, ...and discussions already started for Java 8.) in this context. However, looking at the trends and taking into account the current penetration of the software (the largest part not developed by traditional SW companies) it is risky to say that something like Java can not be created by volunteers (if non software organisations, including the academia, are in this category). This will create a big problem for large software companies and they are aware of this. If the JVM pressure does not work OSGi could be an alternative...although this is not new ;-)). Best regards, -Jesus- ps: ...it seems to be some sort of negotiation, Who wants lo leave Java? Francesco Furfari Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org 19/12/2010 20:13 Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" cc: Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI Jesus, thanks, well I knew about the theoretical limit and also that there are many open issues with the mesh topology ... However regarding competitors, I don't know many other OSS solutions so far. ProSyst Software provides a commercial solution but it seems they use a different design, we are a step forward by modelling a ZB cluster Library. We did a search some time ago but we found only "empty" projects (mainly on sourceforge). In any case they were based only to provide a classical ZigBee driver interface, while our approach follows the OSGi Access Specification. I know that soon will be ready the ZigBee Gateway specification (with WS and restful interfaces) , they had some preliminary test in Irland in these weeks, but our solution is different and most importantly can be used to implement their specification. There are also rumours of a new OSGi ZigBee Device specification, but the CNR is not member of OSGi Alliance so we cannot participate to the Working Group. By the way we hope to be involved at least in the proposal submission. Occasionally, in this regard there is an interesting comment to the post of Peter Kriens: "JCP is dead" http://www.osgi.org/blog/2010/12/jcp-is-dead.html WDYT ? Will OSGi change his policy? ;-) Francesco Il 19/12/2010 18.28, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto: Hi Francesco, I will try to clarify my comment on your answer; >in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application >domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that >ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications. >We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, >Wireless HART, or UPnP, DPWS When I mention the risk in the survival of the open source project I am referring to external open source competitors. As you are mentioning, it is not a core/reference technology for AAL applications(note that open source is more competitive than traditional commercial development) >I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can >contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are >addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case. > >From the inputs I have so far it seems that this number of nodes is difficult to achieve in real deployments; and this is a R&D issue being tackled in other domains. The example was just to illustrate the type of requirements being addressed for this technology in other domains (to clarify the above). ...and it is not only this, also the current strength of some middleware communities. >The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote >management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to >remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of >the software/firmware
Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] BRAID project ask to join as supporter of AALOA
I definitively agree,-Jesus--promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: -Para: promoters@aaloa.orgDe: Francesco Furfari Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.orgFecha: 12/02/2011 19:06Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] BRAID project ask to join as supporter of AALOA Dear All, the European project BRAID ( http://braidproject.org/ ) has requested to join the AALOA as supporter. It means that we will add the name and logo of the project in the Manifesto and website. BRAID is a running FP7 project, and I'm confident it will provide a valuable contribution to AALOA. This vote will be open for a week. Please express your vote in time. BRAID (Bridging Research in Ageing and ICT Development) is an EU FP7 Support Action aimed at developing a comprehensive Research and Technological Development (RTD) roadmap for active ageing, by consolidating existing roadmaps and by describing and launching a stakeholder co-ordination and consultation mechanism. The project’s aims are to characterise key research challenges and produce a vision for a comprehensive approach in supporting the well-being and socio-economic integration of increasing numbers of senior citizens in Europe. BRAID is building upon the experience and knowledge developed in previous projects, namely AALIANCE , CAPSIL , ePAL , and SENIOR , while taking account of e-inclusion efforts in the EU27 as well as Australia, Canada, Japan and the US. Best regards, Francesco ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
Re: [aaloa promoters] [VOTE] HOMER project for AALOA project
Positive too, -Jesus- Cesar Iglesias Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org 03/03/2011 09:28 Para: Juan-Carlos Naranjo Martinez cc: "promoters@aaloa.org" Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [VOTE] HOMER project for AALOA project +1 Best regards. -- César Iglesias Director Jurídico y Financiero WEARTECH C/Juan Ramón Jiménez 8, Edif. Eurobuilding, 1-6A 28036 Madrid, Spain Tel: 0034 961827177 Fax: 0034 961829415 El 02/03/11 16:46, Juan-Carlos Naranjo Martinez escribió: > > Juan-Carlos Naranjo: +1 > > BR > > *De:*promoters-boun...@aaloa.org [mailto:promoters-boun...@aaloa.org] *En nombre de *Hanke Sten > *Enviado el:* miércoles, 02 de marzo de 2011 12:45 > *Para:* promoters@aaloa.org > *Asunto:* [aaloa promoters] [VOTE] HOMER project for AALOA project > > Dear all, > > the HOMER project is asking to be part of the AALOA as a new Open Source Project inside AALOA. > > Please see in the proposal attached several information about HOMER. > > HOMER is an open and flexible OSGi-based software platform which aims at the integration of > various home automation systems. HOMER has been so far developed by the AIT Biomedical Systems > Group in the Health & Environment Department and is in parts already used in several national and > international projects. > > Thanks for your VOTE. > > Kind regards Sten > > *STEN HANKE > *Health & Environment Department > Biomedical Systems > > *AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH > *Viktor Kaplan Straße 2 | 2700 Wiener Neustadt | Austria > T +43(0) 50550-4836 | M +43(0) 664 8251358 | F +43(0) 50550-4840 > _sten.ha...@ait.ac.at > <../../../../reinickev/Lokale%20Einstellungen/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.Outlook/FBBZEWQ6/vorname.nachn...@ait.ac.at>_ | > _http://www.ait.ac.at__ > _ > FN: 115980 i HG Wien | UID: ATU14703506 > This email and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein > and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender by return e-mail or by telephone and delete this message from > your system and any printout thereof. Any unauthorized use, reproduction, or dissemination of this > message is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. AIT Austrian > Institute of Technology GmbH shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of > the information contained in this communication, nor shall it be liable for any delay in its receipt. > > > ___ > Promoters mailing list > Promoters@aaloa.org > http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE
+1 -Jesús- Francesco Furfari Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org 06/06/2011 10:02 Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" cc: Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE Dear ALL, I'm happy to announce that a number of partners from the EU VAALID project decided to propose part of their software for incubation within AALOA. The attached proposal is very interesting with a good roadmap indicating commitment to maintain and improve the software. Please cast your vote as usual in a week, asking for further clarification if needed. +1 [ I agree ] 0 [ I don't care, I don't know ] -1[ I don't agree, I'm contrary ] Best regards, Francesco [anexo VAALID IDE Project Proposal v2.pdf eliminado por Jesús Bermejo Muñoz/Telvent/Abengoa] ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters ___ Promoters mailing list Promoters@aaloa.org http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters
