[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com added the comment: I think there's no consensus at this point in the best format for all platform. I am closing this issue as wontfix. Maybe a new format will rule them all in a few years. Michael, can you create a specific issue for the CRLF problem ? Thanks a lot. -- resolution: - wont fix status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Because I'm a unix weenie, and zip files feel like an intrusion from the Windows world. I expect source tarballs to be, well, tarballs. I don't say zip shouldn't be the default, I just noted that I personally would find that distasteful. ;) Agreed :) -- nosy: +georg.brandl ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: As Michael said. As a Linux user I prefer tar.gz (or tar.bz2 or tar.xz), but distutils should go with zip since it has better support everywhere. It's true that tar supports lzma (although unfortunately there is still no lzma support bundled in the stdlib), but for most source distributions I don't think size is really critical. -- nosy: +pitrou ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Roumen Petrov bugtr...@roumenpetrov.info added the comment: Antoine, you may mix container with compression. tar as file container is suitable for unix like systems. other container like zip-container is not well designed for unix-like file systems. I disagree with request. Package distribution is platform dependent. -- nosy: +rpetrov ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Zooko O'Whielacronx zo...@zooko.com added the comment: Antoine, when you say zip has better support everywhere, what do you mean? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but what I think of is that users maybe want to pack or unpack distributions with separate tools instead of with the Python tools. Is that it? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk added the comment: Yup, standard install procedure is (and will probably remain for a while) - unpack and run python setup.py install Users should be able to unpack on the most common platforms Python supports without needing additional tools. All major platforms have native zip support which isn't true of other formats. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: I do not believe it is true that zip is supported by all platforms out of the box. As far as I know Gentoo, for example, does not install unzip by default. For that matter, before windows XP one had to download a utility to unzip files on windows (and that utility handles tar files just fine). Since there are still a few pre-XP windows boxes out there, it is not even true to say that all Windows machines handle zip out of the box. Personally I would very much dislike it if python source distributions were zipfiles by default. -- nosy: +r.david.murray ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: other container like zip-container is not well designed for unix-like file systems. Well, please be more specific as to why zip it affects sdist in particular. Never before have I heard anyone claim that zip was ill-suited for source tarballs. I disagree with request. Package distribution is platform dependent. It is not package distribution. It is package generation. If you use the same command (sdist), it would be nicer if it produced the same result regardless of whether you are under Unix or Windows. (platform-dependent packages, by the way, are rpm, deb, msi, etc. ;-)) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Personally I would very much dislike it if python source distributions were zipfiles by default. Why? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: Because I'm a unix weenie, and zip files feel like an intrusion from the Windows world. I expect source tarballs to be, well, tarballs. I don't say zip shouldn't be the default, I just noted that I personally would find that distasteful. ;) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
New submission from Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk: setup.py should be able to generate tarfile distributions on Windows without requiring tar to be on the path. Ideally setup.py sdist should create the same type of archive (zip or tarball) by default independent of platform. At the moment it creates a zip by default on Windows and a tarball on Linux / OS X. Packages created on Windows also have CRLF line endings in the MANIFEST file which is a nuisance for non-Windows consumers of distributions. -- assignee: tarek components: Distutils messages: 89454 nosy: michael.foord, tarek severity: normal status: open title: Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com added the comment: Now that distutils uses tarfile (see #6048) we can propose a tar archive on all platform by default without requiring tar to be installed. Althoug, the gz compression requires the zlib module. I need to check what are the requirements of its installation in the sdtlib. For the MANIFEST file, do you mean the file generated by MANIFEST.in ? -- versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk added the comment: Given that Windows can't handle tar files by default but all platforms support zip out of the box wouldn't (unfortunately) zip be a better default? For the MANIFEST I meant the file called MANIFEST that distutils creates (and includes in the distribution) when you run setup.py sdist. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com added the comment: As a developer I prefer .tar.gz, but I don't have a strong opinion on picking zip or tar, I think tar is fine as long as all installers out there (easy_install, pip, etc) are working with the archives on every platform too. Someone who wants more can handle tar imho. i'll sen a mail to distutils-SIG -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk added the comment: The point is not for developers who are happy handling .tar.gz but users of the distribution who don't have a way of handling them. I prefer .tar.gz myself as well but I don't think the default distribution format should be one that isn't natively supported by one of the major platforms that Python runs on. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk added the comment: What's superior about .tar.gz? (This is a genuine question). -- nosy: +tim.golden title: Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows - Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk added the comment: Better compression. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6296] Native (and default) tarfile support for setup.py sdist in distutils on Windows
Zooko O'Whielacronx zo...@zooko.com added the comment: I strongly favor a common approach instead of doing it differently on different platforms. (Aside: check out the gratuitous differences for names and locations of distutils config files: http://docs.python.org/install/index.html#location-and-names-of-config-files .) I weakly favor tar over zip. The current release of tar features LZMA compression, for example: $ ls -lS -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 8355840 2009-06-17 09:48 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.tar -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 2562835 2009-06-17 09:51 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.zip -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 2383653 2009-06-17 09:48 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.tar.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 2250149 2009-06-17 09:49 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.tar.bz2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 2223425 2009-06-17 09:49 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.tar.rz -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 1818466 2009-06-17 09:52 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.7z -rw-rw-r-- 1 zooko zooko 1811698 2009-06-17 09:50 allmydata-tahoe-1.4.1-r3916.tar.xz Presumably the current tar module in Python doesn't yet support LZMA, but it is a good possibility for the future. On the other hand, ZIP is more widely used, e.g. by setuptools and especially by tools which were born in Windows world. -- nosy: +zooko ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6296 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
