Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-04-17 Thread Wolfgang Keller
> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.

Wrong.

See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/

BTW: Imho, the Python interpreter should be made
"portable" ("zero-install") _by default_. "Installing" it should be
purely optional.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang Keller
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Re: Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-04-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
>> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.
>
> Wrong.
>
> See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/

Uhm... how does that disprove? Whatever language you distributed code
is in, you need something on the computer that can read it. Only pure
machine code needs no interpreter (and even that's arguable, but the
interpreter is in hardware instead of software). With code that's
distributed in source form (all interpreted / shell languages, plus
most open source C/C++ code today), you need to have a
language-specific interpreter or compiler before you can run it.

Chris Angelico
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Re: Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-04-18 Thread Wolfgang Keller
> >> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter
> >> installed.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
> 
> Uhm... how does that disprove? 

Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
using it? >;->

> Whatever language you distributed code
> is in, you need something on the computer that can read it. 

The point is that you don't need to _install_ it. If the developer has
a brain.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang
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Re: Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-04-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
> Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
> using it? >;->

I have various programs which I distribute in zip/tgz format, and also
as a self-extracting executable on Windows. Does this mean they need
to be "installed" only under Windows? No. They need to be installed to
be run, it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.

(FYI, we "installed" a new minister in the church's manse a few weeks
ago. Didn't involve anything more than a mv.)

Chris Angelico
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Re: Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-04-18 Thread flebber
On Apr 18, 6:33 pm, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
> > Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
> > using it? >;->
>
> I have various programs which I distribute in zip/tgz format, and also
> as a self-extracting executable on Windows. Does this mean they need
> to be "installed" only under Windows? No. They need to be installed to
> be run, it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.
>
> (FYI, we "installed" a new minister in the church's manse a few weeks
> ago. Didn't involve anything more than a mv.)
>
> Chris Angelico

WTF
>it's just that the installer is unzip or tar.
If I take my clothes out of my luggage bag have i just installed them?
Don't think so unless your new minister is wearing them lol.

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Re: Make Python "portable" by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)

2011-05-23 Thread JussiJ
On Apr 17, 7:13 pm, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:

> > You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.
>
> Wrong.
>
> See e.g.http://www.portablepython.com/

In this case Python is still installed on the machine.

It may not be installled on the PC's hard disk but it is certainly
is installed on the USB stick.

In other words the act of inserting the USB actually results in
the software being 'Installed' (i.e. being made available) on
the PC.

Jussi
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